Re: [WiX-users] Is click once what we should be using?
I think you should look at the GenerateBootstrapper MSBuild task. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Thielen Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 10:19 PM To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [WiX-users] Is click once what we should be using? Hi; We have a WIX built installer that works great. And we are working on creating a bootstrapper for the prerequisites that would call our msi at the end to complete the install. Should we be looking at click once? thanks - dave - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users
Re: [WiX-users] **Spam** 200 -Dual **Re: VS2005 C++ and Custom Actions
That seems like it would be a good stop-gap solution for now. I'm wondering how the WiX Extensions work since at the heart of those is C++ code. Seems like I'll have to do some more digging... Thanks for the reply! -Original Message- From: Eric Fesh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 1:47 PM To: Matthew Kowalski Cc: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: **Spam** 200 -Dual **Re: [WiX-users] VS2005 C++ and Custom Actions I was in a similar situation and just statically linked the runtime library. Of course, I was running an executable instead of trying to access a DLL, so that might not be helpful information. -- Eric Fesh Customer Support Engineer/Software Test Engineer Verari Systems Software, Inc. 110 12th Street North, Suite D103 Birmingham, AL 35203 Phone +1-205-397-3141 ext. 3149 Fax +1-205-397-3142 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.verarisoft.com/ The information contained in this communication may be confidential and is intended only for the use of the recipient(s) named above. If the reader of this communication is not the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication, or any of its contents, is strictly prohibited. If you are not a named recipient or received this communication by mistake, please notify the sender and delete the communication and all copies of it. Matthew Kowalski wrote: I've created a simple C++ .dll in VS2005 to do some checks for me during the install after a user has selected an installation folder. The problem I am having is with the VS2005 C++ runtime (msvcp80.dll). The compiled .dll apparently needs to have the runtime installed otherwise the installation fails when attempting to execute the custom action (Dependent Assembly Microsoft.VC80.CRT could not be found). Is there any way to get around having to install the redistributable package (vcredist_x86.exe) before running my install? Any help would be greatly appreciated! - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDE V ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users
[WiX-users] length of candle command line
I have run into an interesting problem using candle.exe. I have apparently run into a command line length problem when trying to compile my install project. Is there a command line length limit to candle? And if so... is there also one for light? Don Tasanasanta VIACK Corporation Redmond Washington 425-605-7423 - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users
[WiX-users] GenerateBootstrapper questions
Hi; I posted this also in the MS forums (no answer) and the MSDN managed newsgroups (useless answer). I am hoping someone here can help. First off, I have read the following: http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/issues/04/10/Bootstrapper/ http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnvs05/ html/custom_pkg.asp http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms164294.aspx http://www.gotdotnet.com/workspaces/workspace.aspx?id=ddb4f08c-7d7c-4f44 -a009-ea19fc812545 Sorry for all the questions - there is a lot of content about using the bootstrapper to do X but none I could find about all the properties for anything other than the samples shown. And unfortunately none showed requiring J# (a prerequisite for us). After reading the above (and some other pages) I have the following questions about using this: 1) Where is complete documentation for GenerateBootstrapper - including what to put in the package.xml to download from Microsoft (not included in the package and not download from us but downloaded from MS if needed): a) .NET 2.0 framework b) .NET 2.0 language pack if appropiate c) J# 2.0 framework d) J# 2.0 language pack if appropiate e) whatever windows setup a wix built msi needs 2) Is there anywhere to get the Bootstrapper Manifest Generator and is it worth using? The download link at http://www.gotdotnet.com/workspaces/workspace.aspx?id=ddb4f08c-7d7c-4f44 -a009-ea19fc812545 does not work. 3) How do I set it to run our msi installer when it is done with the prerequisites? And is it embedded in the created setup.exe or downloaded at that time? If an option, which is recomended. 4) How do I put out name and text in the dialogs for setup.exe? 5) Is this a single file? Or is this a set of files that we need to write an installer for? 6) Is there a way to make Sql Server Express an option and not show it as an option if Sql Server regular or express (not only express) is already installed? 7) Are there any samples of how we should set up our part of package.xml and the rest of our settings - both in our msbuild.proj file and in the xml files that list what goes in to the bootstrapper. 8) Can this be set so that it will look first on disk for the needed install files and then on MS' website so if we put this all on disk we can use the same bootstrapper? 8b) And if so, where do we get those files and what is the directory structure? I hope with answers to the above I will have at most 1 - 2 followup questions. thanks - dave David Thielen www.windwardreports.com 303-499-2544 x1185 Cubicle Wars - http://www.windwardreports.com/film.htm - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users
Re: [WiX-users] length of candle command line
No, but there is a command-line limit in Windows. Use a response file to get around it candle @commands.rsp From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Tasanasanta Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 10:04 To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [WiX-users] length of candle command line I have run into an interesting problem using candle.exe. I have apparently run into a command line length problem when trying to compile my install project. Is there a command line length limit to candle? And if so... is there also one for light? Don Tasanasanta VIACK Corporation Redmond Washington 425-605-7423 - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users
Re: [WiX-users] Is click once what we should be using?
On 12/5/06, Rob Mensching [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've found that there are very few degrees of freedom in ClickOnce. What is even more frustrating is that the Windows Installer supports all of the basic needs and everyone would have benefited if an auto-update story was built for the Windows Installer. That's why ClickOnce frustrates me so. Seems like they were just trying to make something to compete with Java Web Start, and not a full Windows installer solution. Scott - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users
Re: [WiX-users] length of candle command line
Thanks, that'll help tremendously. What is the syntax inside an .rsp file? Don Tasanasanta 425-605-7423 From: Rob Mensching [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 10:10 AM To: Don Tasanasanta; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [WiX-users] length of candle command line No, but there is a command-line limit in Windows. Use a response file to get around it candle @commands.rsp From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Tasanasanta Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 10:04 To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [WiX-users] length of candle command line I have run into an interesting problem using candle.exe. I have apparently run into a command line length problem when trying to compile my install project. Is there a command line length limit to candle? And if so... is there also one for light? Don Tasanasanta VIACK Corporation Redmond Washington 425-605-7423 - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users
Re: [WiX-users] length of candle command line
Same as all compiler response files, each command is white space delimited. From: Don Tasanasanta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 10:55 To: Rob Mensching; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [WiX-users] length of candle command line Thanks, that'll help tremendously. What is the syntax inside an .rsp file? Don Tasanasanta 425-605-7423 From: Rob Mensching [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 10:10 AM To: Don Tasanasanta; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [WiX-users] length of candle command line No, but there is a command-line limit in Windows. Use a response file to get around it candle @commands.rsp From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Tasanasanta Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 10:04 To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [WiX-users] length of candle command line I have run into an interesting problem using candle.exe. I have apparently run into a command line length problem when trying to compile my install project. Is there a command line length limit to candle? And if so... is there also one for light? Don Tasanasanta VIACK Corporation Redmond Washington 425-605-7423 - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users
Re: [WiX-users] GenerateBootstrapper questions
Some answers to your questions (sorry, not all): #1. The official documentation for GenerateBootstrapper (the MSBuild task) is http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms164294.aspx. I don't know where the official documentation for the bootstrapper itself it. You don't need to make a package.xml file at all unless you are creating a redistributable package. If you need to do that, you put the HomeSite in the product.xml file. #2. Never tried it. Don't know if it is useful. #3. In your msbuild project you set the ApplicationFile attribute to the filename of your .msi on the GenerateBootstrapper task (see my sample in a previous email). It's not embedded. It sits side by side with the setup.exe. I believe you can have it be downloaded using the ApplicationUrl attribute (at least the documentation implies that), but I have not tested it. #4. The only things you can control are the name for your application (using the ApplicationName attribute). The rest of the UI is un-configurable. #5. The bootstrapper generates a setup.exe to sit beside your .msi (and any of your dependencies if you are not downloading them). You could use tools like PackageForTheWeb to pack them into a single file if you need to, or you might be able to have everything be downloaded including your .msi (see above) so that they only get the setup.exe. #6. You might be able to copy the existing SQL Express package and adjust the rules in its product.xml file to make it not be installed if SQL is already installed (you'll have to look at the product.xml and learn its syntax by a combination of insight and trial and error--I don't know of any documentation, but the format is pretty intuitive when you look at it). But you can't make dependecies optional for the user to decide with this bootstrapper. It doesn't support that. #7. I sent you a previous email with a sample msbuild project file. You put your list of dependencies in the BootstrapperItems ItemGroup. #8. No, it only supports either always downloaded or always local. #8b. If you are doing local, when you run the msbuild project, by default it will copy the files to the output directory in the proper directory structure. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Thielen Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 12:07 PM To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [WiX-users] GenerateBootstrapper questions Hi; I posted this also in the MS forums (no answer) and the MSDN managed newsgroups (useless answer). I am hoping someone here can help. First off, I have read the following: http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/issues/04/10/Bootstrapper/ http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnvs05/ html/custom_pkg.asp http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms164294.aspx http://www.gotdotnet.com/workspaces/workspace.aspx?id=ddb4f08c-7d7c-4f44 -a009-ea19fc812545 Sorry for all the questions - there is a lot of content about using the bootstrapper to do X but none I could find about all the properties for anything other than the samples shown. And unfortunately none showed requiring J# (a prerequisite for us). After reading the above (and some other pages) I have the following questions about using this: 1) Where is complete documentation for GenerateBootstrapper - including what to put in the package.xml to download from Microsoft (not included in the package and not download from us but downloaded from MS if needed): a) .NET 2.0 framework b) .NET 2.0 language pack if appropiate c) J# 2.0 framework d) J# 2.0 language pack if appropiate e) whatever windows setup a wix built msi needs 2) Is there anywhere to get the Bootstrapper Manifest Generator and is it worth using? The download link at http://www.gotdotnet.com/workspaces/workspace.aspx?id=ddb4f08c-7d7c-4f44 -a009-ea19fc812545 does not work. 3) How do I set it to run our msi installer when it is done with the prerequisites? And is it embedded in the created setup.exe or downloaded at that time? If an option, which is recomended. 4) How do I put out name and text in the dialogs for setup.exe? 5) Is this a single file? Or is this a set of files that we need to write an installer for? 6) Is there a way to make Sql Server Express an option and not show it as an option if Sql Server regular or express (not only express) is already installed? 7) Are there any samples of how we should set up our part of package.xml and the rest of our settings - both in our msbuild.proj file and in the xml files that list what goes in to the bootstrapper. 8) Can this be set so that it will look first on disk for the needed install files and then on MS' website so if we put this all on disk we can use the same bootstrapper? 8b) And if so, where do we get those files and what is the directory structure? I hope with answers to the above I will have at most 1 - 2 followup questions. thanks - dave David Thielen
Re: [WiX-users] GenerateBootstrapper questions
Just to add that if one wanted to see a consolidated list of how the bootstrapper manifest checks and installs products (and this includes SQL and J# 2.0), build a Visual Studio 2005 SetupDeployment project bootstrapper with all the prerequisites checked. This builds an exe with the manifest in resource #41, and opening the exe in VS 2005, looking at the resources and exporting resource #41's SETUPCFG as a text file will do it. In conjunction with the MSDN Magazine Bootstrapper article, this is pretty much enough to figure things out. Phil Wilson From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erv Walter Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 11:07 AM To: David Thielen; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [WiX-users] GenerateBootstrapper questions Some answers to your questions (sorry, not all): #1. The official documentation for GenerateBootstrapper (the MSBuild task) is http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms164294.aspx. I don't know where the official documentation for the bootstrapper itself it. You don't need to make a package.xml file at all unless you are creating a redistributable package. If you need to do that, you put the HomeSite in the product.xml file. #2. Never tried it. Don't know if it is useful. #3. In your msbuild project you set the ApplicationFile attribute to the filename of your .msi on the GenerateBootstrapper task (see my sample in a previous email). It's not embedded. It sits side by side with the setup.exe. I believe you can have it be downloaded using the ApplicationUrl attribute (at least the documentation implies that), but I have not tested it. #4. The only things you can control are the name for your application (using the ApplicationName attribute). The rest of the UI is un-configurable. #5. The bootstrapper generates a setup.exe to sit beside your .msi (and any of your dependencies if you are not downloading them). You could use tools like PackageForTheWeb to pack them into a single file if you need to, or you might be able to have everything be downloaded including your .msi (see above) so that they only get the setup.exe. #6. You might be able to copy the existing SQL Express package and adjust the rules in its product.xml file to make it not be installed if SQL is already installed (you'll have to look at the product.xml and learn its syntax by a combination of insight and trial and error--I don't know of any documentation, but the format is pretty intuitive when you look at it). But you can't make dependecies optional for the user to decide with this bootstrapper. It doesn't support that. #7. I sent you a previous email with a sample msbuild project file. You put your list of dependencies in the BootstrapperItems ItemGroup. #8. No, it only supports either always downloaded or always local. #8b. If you are doing local, when you run the msbuild project, by default it will copy the files to the output directory in the proper directory structure. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Thielen Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 12:07 PM To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [WiX-users] GenerateBootstrapper questions Hi; I posted this also in the MS forums (no answer) and the MSDN managed newsgroups (useless answer). I am hoping someone here can help. First off, I have read the following: http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/issues/04/10/Bootstrapper/ http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnvs05/ html/custom_pkg.asp http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms164294.aspx http://www.gotdotnet.com/workspaces/workspace.aspx?id=ddb4f08c-7d7c-4f44 -a009-ea19fc812545 Sorry for all the questions - there is a lot of content about using the bootstrapper to do X but none I could find about all the properties for anything other than the samples shown. And unfortunately none showed requiring J# (a prerequisite for us). After reading the above (and some other pages) I have the following questions about using this: 1) Where is complete documentation for GenerateBootstrapper - including what to put in the package.xml to download from Microsoft (not included in the package and not download from us but downloaded from MS if needed): a) .NET 2.0 framework b) .NET 2.0 language pack if appropiate c) J# 2.0 framework d) J# 2.0 language pack if appropiate e) whatever windows setup a wix built msi needs 2) Is there anywhere to get the Bootstrapper Manifest Generator and is it worth using? The download link at http://www.gotdotnet.com/workspaces/workspace.aspx?id=ddb4f08c-7d7c-4f44 -a009-ea19fc812545 does not work. 3) How do I set it to run our msi installer when it is done with the prerequisites? And is it embedded in the created setup.exe or downloaded at that time? If an option, which is recomended. 4) How do I put out name and text in the dialogs for setup.exe? 5) Is this a single
Re: [WiX-users] GenerateBootstrapper questions
Hi; I think I'm not understanding something. I want the bootstrapper to give me a small setup.exe that will download things like the .NET framework only if needed on that user's computer. And I need the download to be a single file to make it easy. How can I build this? The examples I see all assume that the install programs for things like the .NET framework are downloaded with setup.exe which eliminates the whole purpose of it. Thanks - dave David Thielen www.windwardreports.com 303-499-2544 x1185 Cubicle Wars - http://www.windwardreports.com/film.htm From: Erv Walter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 12:07 PM To: David Thielen; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [WiX-users] GenerateBootstrapper questions Some answers to your questions (sorry, not all): #1. The official documentation for GenerateBootstrapper (the MSBuild task) is http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms164294.aspx. I don't know where the official documentation for the bootstrapper itself it. You don't need to make a package.xml file at all unless you are creating a redistributable package. If you need to do that, you put the HomeSite in the product.xml file. #2. Never tried it. Don't know if it is useful. #3. In your msbuild project you set the ApplicationFile attribute to the filename of your .msi on the GenerateBootstrapper task (see my sample in a previous email). It's not embedded. It sits side by side with the setup.exe. I believe you can have it be downloaded using the ApplicationUrl attribute (at least the documentation implies that), but I have not tested it. #4. The only things you can control are the name for your application (using the ApplicationName attribute). The rest of the UI is un-configurable. #5. The bootstrapper generates a setup.exe to sit beside your .msi (and any of your dependencies if you are not downloading them). You could use tools like PackageForTheWeb to pack them into a single file if you need to, or you might be able to have everything be downloaded including your .msi (see above) so that they only get the setup.exe. #6. You might be able to copy the existing SQL Express package and adjust the rules in its product.xml file to make it not be installed if SQL is already installed (you'll have to look at the product.xml and learn its syntax by a combination of insight and trial and error--I don't know of any documentation, but the format is pretty intuitive when you look at it). But you can't make dependecies optional for the user to decide with this bootstrapper. It doesn't support that. #7. I sent you a previous email with a sample msbuild project file. You put your list of dependencies in the BootstrapperItems ItemGroup. #8. No, it only supports either always downloaded or always local. #8b. If you are doing local, when you run the msbuild project, by default it will copy the files to the output directory in the proper directory structure. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Thielen Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 12:07 PM To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [WiX-users] GenerateBootstrapper questions Hi; I posted this also in the MS forums (no answer) and the MSDN managed newsgroups (useless answer). I am hoping someone here can help. First off, I have read the following: http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/issues/04/10/Bootstrapper/ http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnvs05/ html/custom_pkg.asp http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms164294.aspx http://www.gotdotnet.com/workspaces/workspace.aspx?id=ddb4f08c-7d7c-4f44 -a009-ea19fc812545 Sorry for all the questions - there is a lot of content about using the bootstrapper to do X but none I could find about all the properties for anything other than the samples shown. And unfortunately none showed requiring J# (a prerequisite for us). After reading the above (and some other pages) I have the following questions about using this: 1) Where is complete documentation for GenerateBootstrapper - including what to put in the package.xml to download from Microsoft (not included in the package and not download from us but downloaded from MS if needed): a) .NET 2.0 framework b) .NET 2.0 language pack if appropiate c) J# 2.0 framework d) J# 2.0 language pack if appropiate e) whatever windows setup a wix built msi needs 2) Is there anywhere to get the Bootstrapper Manifest Generator and is it worth using? The download link at http://www.gotdotnet.com/workspaces/workspace.aspx?id=ddb4f08c-7d7c-4f44 -a009-ea19fc812545 does not work. 3) How do I set it to run our msi installer when it is done with the prerequisites? And is it embedded in the created setup.exe or downloaded at that time? If an option, which is recomended. 4) How do I put out name and text in the dialogs for setup.exe? 5) Is
Re: [WiX-users] GenerateBootstrapper questions
You mean you want the download for Windows Installer, SQL Express, .NET Framework, J# etc to be all in one file? Just trying to understand. Phil Wilson From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Thielen Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 1:15 PM To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [WiX-users] GenerateBootstrapper questions Hi; I think I'm not understanding something. I want the bootstrapper to give me a small setup.exe that will download things like the .NET framework only if needed on that user's computer. And I need the download to be a single file to make it easy. How can I build this? The examples I see all assume that the install programs for things like the .NET framework are downloaded with setup.exe which eliminates the whole purpose of it. Thanks - dave David Thielen www.windwardreports.com 303-499-2544 x1185 Cubicle Wars - http://www.windwardreports.com/film.htm From: Erv Walter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 12:07 PM To: David Thielen; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [WiX-users] GenerateBootstrapper questions Some answers to your questions (sorry, not all): #1. The official documentation for GenerateBootstrapper (the MSBuild task) is http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms164294.aspx. I don't know where the official documentation for the bootstrapper itself it. You don't need to make a package.xml file at all unless you are creating a redistributable package. If you need to do that, you put the HomeSite in the product.xml file. #2. Never tried it. Don't know if it is useful. #3. In your msbuild project you set the ApplicationFile attribute to the filename of your .msi on the GenerateBootstrapper task (see my sample in a previous email). It's not embedded. It sits side by side with the setup.exe. I believe you can have it be downloaded using the ApplicationUrl attribute (at least the documentation implies that), but I have not tested it. #4. The only things you can control are the name for your application (using the ApplicationName attribute). The rest of the UI is un-configurable. #5. The bootstrapper generates a setup.exe to sit beside your .msi (and any of your dependencies if you are not downloading them). You could use tools like PackageForTheWeb to pack them into a single file if you need to, or you might be able to have everything be downloaded including your .msi (see above) so that they only get the setup.exe. #6. You might be able to copy the existing SQL Express package and adjust the rules in its product.xml file to make it not be installed if SQL is already installed (you'll have to look at the product.xml and learn its syntax by a combination of insight and trial and error--I don't know of any documentation, but the format is pretty intuitive when you look at it). But you can't make dependecies optional for the user to decide with this bootstrapper. It doesn't support that. #7. I sent you a previous email with a sample msbuild project file. You put your list of dependencies in the BootstrapperItems ItemGroup. #8. No, it only supports either always downloaded or always local. #8b. If you are doing local, when you run the msbuild project, by default it will copy the files to the output directory in the proper directory structure. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Thielen Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 12:07 PM To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [WiX-users] GenerateBootstrapper questions Hi; I posted this also in the MS forums (no answer) and the MSDN managed newsgroups (useless answer). I am hoping someone here can help. First off, I have read the following: http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/issues/04/10/Bootstrapper/ http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnvs05/ html/custom_pkg.asp http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms164294.aspx http://www.gotdotnet.com/workspaces/workspace.aspx?id=ddb4f08c-7d7c-4f44 -a009-ea19fc812545 Sorry for all the questions - there is a lot of content about using the bootstrapper to do X but none I could find about all the properties for anything other than the samples shown. And unfortunately none showed requiring J# (a prerequisite for us). After reading the above (and some other pages) I have the following questions about using this: 1) Where is complete documentation for GenerateBootstrapper - including what to put in the package.xml to download from Microsoft (not included in the package and not download from us but downloaded from MS if needed): a) .NET 2.0 framework b) .NET 2.0 language pack if appropiate c) J# 2.0 framework d) J# 2.0 language pack if appropiate e) whatever windows setup a wix built msi needs 2) Is there anywhere to get the Bootstrapper Manifest Generator and
Re: [WiX-users] GenerateBootstrapper questions
Hi; I looked for that the other day. In Setup and Deployment all I have is Setup Project, Merge Module Project, CAB Project, Web Setup Project, Setup Wizard, and Smart Device CAB Project. Is it one of those or do I need to download something? Thanks - dave David Thielen www.windwardreports.com 303-499-2544 x1185 Cubicle Wars - http://www.windwardreports.com/film.htm From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wilson, Phil Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 2:06 PM To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [WiX-users] GenerateBootstrapper questions Just to add that if one wanted to see a consolidated list of how the bootstrapper manifest checks and installs products (and this includes SQL and J# 2.0), build a Visual Studio 2005 SetupDeployment project bootstrapper with all the prerequisites checked. This builds an exe with the manifest in resource #41, and opening the exe in VS 2005, looking at the resources and exporting resource #41's SETUPCFG as a text file will do it. In conjunction with the MSDN Magazine Bootstrapper article, this is pretty much enough to figure things out. Phil Wilson From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erv Walter Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 11:07 AM To: David Thielen; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [WiX-users] GenerateBootstrapper questions Some answers to your questions (sorry, not all): #1. The official documentation for GenerateBootstrapper (the MSBuild task) is http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms164294.aspx. I don't know where the official documentation for the bootstrapper itself it. You don't need to make a package.xml file at all unless you are creating a redistributable package. If you need to do that, you put the HomeSite in the product.xml file. #2. Never tried it. Don't know if it is useful. #3. In your msbuild project you set the ApplicationFile attribute to the filename of your .msi on the GenerateBootstrapper task (see my sample in a previous email). It's not embedded. It sits side by side with the setup.exe. I believe you can have it be downloaded using the ApplicationUrl attribute (at least the documentation implies that), but I have not tested it. #4. The only things you can control are the name for your application (using the ApplicationName attribute). The rest of the UI is un-configurable. #5. The bootstrapper generates a setup.exe to sit beside your .msi (and any of your dependencies if you are not downloading them). You could use tools like PackageForTheWeb to pack them into a single file if you need to, or you might be able to have everything be downloaded including your .msi (see above) so that they only get the setup.exe. #6. You might be able to copy the existing SQL Express package and adjust the rules in its product.xml file to make it not be installed if SQL is already installed (you'll have to look at the product.xml and learn its syntax by a combination of insight and trial and error--I don't know of any documentation, but the format is pretty intuitive when you look at it). But you can't make dependecies optional for the user to decide with this bootstrapper. It doesn't support that. #7. I sent you a previous email with a sample msbuild project file. You put your list of dependencies in the BootstrapperItems ItemGroup. #8. No, it only supports either always downloaded or always local. #8b. If you are doing local, when you run the msbuild project, by default it will copy the files to the output directory in the proper directory structure. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Thielen Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 12:07 PM To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [WiX-users] GenerateBootstrapper questions Hi; I posted this also in the MS forums (no answer) and the MSDN managed newsgroups (useless answer). I am hoping someone here can help. First off, I have read the following: http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/issues/04/10/Bootstrapper/ http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnvs05/ html/custom_pkg.asp http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms164294.aspx http://www.gotdotnet.com/workspaces/workspace.aspx?id=ddb4f08c-7d7c-4f44 -a009-ea19fc812545 Sorry for all the questions - there is a lot of content about using the bootstrapper to do X but none I could find about all the properties for anything other than the samples shown. And unfortunately none showed requiring J# (a prerequisite for us). After reading the above (and some other pages) I have the following questions about using this: 1) Where is complete documentation for GenerateBootstrapper - including what to put in the package.xml to download from Microsoft (not included in the package and not download from us but downloaded from MS if needed):
Re: [WiX-users] GenerateBootstrapper questions
No, the oppisate. I want setup.exe to be very small and it then will download the needed installers and run them only if needed. And it will download them from the MS website. So the user runs setup.exe and then when running, if they don't have .NET framework installed, it downloads it from www.microsoft.com http://www.microsoft.com/ and runs it. Thanks - dave David Thielen www.windwardreports.com 303-499-2544 x1185 Cubicle Wars - http://www.windwardreports.com/film.htm From: Wilson, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 2:25 PM To: David Thielen; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [WiX-users] GenerateBootstrapper questions You mean you want the download for Windows Installer, SQL Express, .NET Framework, J# etc to be all in one file? Just trying to understand. Phil Wilson From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Thielen Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 1:15 PM To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [WiX-users] GenerateBootstrapper questions Hi; I think I'm not understanding something. I want the bootstrapper to give me a small setup.exe that will download things like the .NET framework only if needed on that user's computer. And I need the download to be a single file to make it easy. How can I build this? The examples I see all assume that the install programs for things like the .NET framework are downloaded with setup.exe which eliminates the whole purpose of it. Thanks - dave David Thielen www.windwardreports.com 303-499-2544 x1185 Cubicle Wars - http://www.windwardreports.com/film.htm From: Erv Walter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 12:07 PM To: David Thielen; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [WiX-users] GenerateBootstrapper questions Some answers to your questions (sorry, not all): #1. The official documentation for GenerateBootstrapper (the MSBuild task) is http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms164294.aspx. I don't know where the official documentation for the bootstrapper itself it. You don't need to make a package.xml file at all unless you are creating a redistributable package. If you need to do that, you put the HomeSite in the product.xml file. #2. Never tried it. Don't know if it is useful. #3. In your msbuild project you set the ApplicationFile attribute to the filename of your .msi on the GenerateBootstrapper task (see my sample in a previous email). It's not embedded. It sits side by side with the setup.exe. I believe you can have it be downloaded using the ApplicationUrl attribute (at least the documentation implies that), but I have not tested it. #4. The only things you can control are the name for your application (using the ApplicationName attribute). The rest of the UI is un-configurable. #5. The bootstrapper generates a setup.exe to sit beside your .msi (and any of your dependencies if you are not downloading them). You could use tools like PackageForTheWeb to pack them into a single file if you need to, or you might be able to have everything be downloaded including your .msi (see above) so that they only get the setup.exe. #6. You might be able to copy the existing SQL Express package and adjust the rules in its product.xml file to make it not be installed if SQL is already installed (you'll have to look at the product.xml and learn its syntax by a combination of insight and trial and error--I don't know of any documentation, but the format is pretty intuitive when you look at it). But you can't make dependecies optional for the user to decide with this bootstrapper. It doesn't support that. #7. I sent you a previous email with a sample msbuild project file. You put your list of dependencies in the BootstrapperItems ItemGroup. #8. No, it only supports either always downloaded or always local. #8b. If you are doing local, when you run the msbuild project, by default it will copy the files to the output directory in the proper directory structure. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Thielen Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 12:07 PM To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [WiX-users] GenerateBootstrapper questions Hi; I posted this also in the MS forums (no answer) and the MSDN managed newsgroups (useless answer). I am hoping someone here can help. First off, I have read the following: http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/issues/04/10/Bootstrapper/ http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnvs05/ html/custom_pkg.asp http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms164294.aspx http://www.gotdotnet.com/workspaces/workspace.aspx?id=ddb4f08c-7d7c-4f44 -a009-ea19fc812545 Sorry for all the questions - there is a lot of content about using
Re: [WiX-users] GenerateBootstrapper questions
I'm sorry that I'm confusing you and that we aren't communicating well. I thought I answered that twice now. I'll try again. In your MSBuild file, you have to specify where the bootstrapper should get the pre-reqs. You want them to be downloaded. So you set the ComponentLocation attribute of the GenerateBootstrapper element in your msbuild project file to be HomeSite as described here: ComponentsLocation: Specifies a location for the bootstrapper to look for installation prerequisites to install. This parameter can have the following values:: HomeSite: Indicates that the prerequisite is being hosted by the component vendor. Relative: Indicates that the preqrequisite is at the same location of the application. Absolute: Indicates that all components are to be found at a centralized URL. This value should be used in conjunction with the ComponentsUrl input parameter. If ComponentsLocation is not specified, HomeSite is used by default. If you also want your msi to be downloaded, you specify the location where the MSI is hosted using the ApplicationUrl attribute. I attached a sample project that uses the things above. It produces a single setup.exe (421k) that does the following: * If WIndows Installer 3.1 is not installed (it is required by SQL Express), it downloads it from Microsoft and installs it. If .NET 2.0 is not installed, it downloads it from Microsoft and installs it. * If J# 2.0 is not installed, it downloads it from Microsoft and installs it. * If SQL Express is not installed, it downloads it from Microsoft and installs it. * It downloads installer.msi from http://localhost/installer.msi and runs it In case the attachment doesn't work, here are the contents: Project xmlns=http://schemas.microsoft.com/developer/msbuild/2003; ItemGroup !-- Include the 'Product Code' for every package you want -- BootstrapperFile Include=Microsoft.Net.Framework.2.0 ProductName.NET Framework 2.0/ProductName /BootstrapperFile BootstrapperFile Include=Microsoft.JSharp.2.0 ProductNameMicrosoft Visual J# .NET Redistributable Package 2.0/ProductName /BootstrapperFile BootstrapperFile Include=Microsoft.Sql.Server.Express.1.0 ProductNameSQL Server 2005 Express Edition/ProductName /BootstrapperFile BootstrapperFile Include=Microsoft.Windows.Installer.3.1 ProductNameWindows Installer 3.1/ProductName /BootstrapperFile /ItemGroup Target Name=Build GenerateBootstrapper ApplicationName=My Installer ApplicationFile=installer.msi ApplicationUrl=http://localhost/; BootstrapperItems=@(BootstrapperFile) Culture=en ComponentsLocation=HomeSite CopyComponents=False OutputPath=bin\ / /Target /Project From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Thielen Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 3:27 PM To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [WiX-users] GenerateBootstrapper questions No, the oppisate. I want setup.exe to be very small and it then will download the needed installers and run them only if needed. And it will download them from the MS website. So the user runs setup.exe and then when running, if they don't have .NET framework installed, it downloads it from www.microsoft.com http://www.microsoft.com/ and runs it. Thanks - dave David Thielen www.windwardreports.com 303-499-2544 x1185 Cubicle Wars - http://www.windwardreports.com/film.htm From: Wilson, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 2:25 PM To: David Thielen; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [WiX-users] GenerateBootstrapper questions You mean you want the download for Windows Installer, SQL Express, .NET Framework, J# etc to be all in one file? Just trying to understand. Phil Wilson From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Thielen Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 1:15 PM To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [WiX-users] GenerateBootstrapper questions Hi; I think I'm not understanding something. I want the bootstrapper to give me a small setup.exe that will download things like the .NET framework only if needed on that user's computer. And I need the download to be a single file to make it easy. How can I build this? The examples I see all assume that the install programs for things like the .NET framework are downloaded with setup.exe which eliminates the whole purpose of it. Thanks - dave David Thielen www.windwardreports.com 303-499-2544 x1185 Cubicle Wars - http://www.windwardreports.com/film.htm From: Erv Walter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 12:07 PM To: David Thielen; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject:
Re: [WiX-users] GenerateBootstrapper questions
The generated setup.exe file behaves as you desire and only downloads files that it needs to install. Only those files that are necessary to determine if a package needs to be installed (such as dotnetchk.exe) At least this is my experience. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Thielen Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 3:27 PM To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [WiX-users] GenerateBootstrapper questions No, the oppisate. I want setup.exe to be very small and it then will download the needed installers and run them only if needed. And it will download them from the MS website. So the user runs setup.exe and then when running, if they don't have .NET framework installed, it downloads it from www.microsoft.com http://www.microsoft.com/ and runs it. Thanks - dave David Thielen www.windwardreports.com 303-499-2544 x1185 Cubicle Wars - http://www.windwardreports.com/film.htm From: Wilson, Phil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 2:25 PM To: David Thielen; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [WiX-users] GenerateBootstrapper questions You mean you want the download for Windows Installer, SQL Express, .NET Framework, J# etc to be all in one file? Just trying to understand. Phil Wilson From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Thielen Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 1:15 PM To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [WiX-users] GenerateBootstrapper questions Hi; I think I'm not understanding something. I want the bootstrapper to give me a small setup.exe that will download things like the .NET framework only if needed on that user's computer. And I need the download to be a single file to make it easy. How can I build this? The examples I see all assume that the install programs for things like the .NET framework are downloaded with setup.exe which eliminates the whole purpose of it. Thanks - dave David Thielen www.windwardreports.com 303-499-2544 x1185 Cubicle Wars - http://www.windwardreports.com/film.htm From: Erv Walter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 12:07 PM To: David Thielen; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [WiX-users] GenerateBootstrapper questions Some answers to your questions (sorry, not all): #1. The official documentation for GenerateBootstrapper (the MSBuild task) is http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms164294.aspx. I don't know where the official documentation for the bootstrapper itself it. You don't need to make a package.xml file at all unless you are creating a redistributable package. If you need to do that, you put the HomeSite in the product.xml file. #2. Never tried it. Don't know if it is useful. #3. In your msbuild project you set the ApplicationFile attribute to the filename of your .msi on the GenerateBootstrapper task (see my sample in a previous email). It's not embedded. It sits side by side with the setup.exe. I believe you can have it be downloaded using the ApplicationUrl attribute (at least the documentation implies that), but I have not tested it. #4. The only things you can control are the name for your application (using the ApplicationName attribute). The rest of the UI is un-configurable. #5. The bootstrapper generates a setup.exe to sit beside your .msi (and any of your dependencies if you are not downloading them). You could use tools like PackageForTheWeb to pack them into a single file if you need to, or you might be able to have everything be downloaded including your .msi (see above) so that they only get the setup.exe. #6. You might be able to copy the existing SQL Express package and adjust the rules in its product.xml file to make it not be installed if SQL is already installed (you'll have to look at the product.xml and learn its syntax by a combination of insight and trial and error--I don't know of any documentation, but the format is pretty intuitive when you look at it). But you can't make dependecies optional for the user to decide with this bootstrapper. It doesn't support that. #7. I sent you a previous email with a sample msbuild project file. You put your list of dependencies in the BootstrapperItems ItemGroup. #8. No, it only supports either always downloaded or always local. #8b. If you are doing local, when you run the msbuild project, by default it will copy the files to the output directory in the proper directory structure. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Thielen Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 12:07 PM To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [WiX-users] GenerateBootstrapper questions Hi; I posted this also in the MS forums (no answer)
Re: [WiX-users] turning logging on for installutil
InstallUtil is not recommended. Managed code in installers is not recommended. InstallUtil.dll is not documented. The Visual Studio team might be able to help, but no-one else. Your best bet is probably to use FileMon (http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/FileAndDisk/Filemon.mspx) to track where the file is written to. -- Mike Dimmick _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Victor Garcia Aprea Sent: 05 December 2006 21:05 To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [WiX-users] turning logging on for installutil I'm editing with Orca a MSI generated with WiX. In the custom actions table I have an entry for custom action type 1025: /Configuration=[INSTALLDIR]SoftwareFactory91.xml /installtype=notransaction /action=install /LogFile= [#InstallerAssembly] [#InstallerConfigFile] When using the MSI (with verbose logging) I'm noticing that this custom error is failing so I would like to turn logging on for installutil. I'm modifying the above entry like this: /Configuration=[INSTALLDIR]SoftwareFactory91.xml /installtype=notransaction /action=install /LogFile=blah.log [#InstallerAssembly] [#InstallerConfigFile] and I'm not getting any blah.log file...; I'm not sure where this log file should be writed to but checked a few folders (the current one where the MSI is, the one where the assembly containing the installer class is, etc) without any luck... Any hints? thanks!, -Victor. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users
Re: [WiX-users] VS2005 C++ and Custom Actions
It is recommended that custom action DLLs have the fewest dependencies possible, to avoid problems where the dependencies are not already present on the target machine. You should try to eliminate use of the CRT, if possible, and statically link with it to remove the dependency on the CRT DLLs. The WiX custom actions should probably take the lead here and replace calls to CRT functions with equivalent Windows functions, then replace the CRT-supplied entry point function with a stub. This could well reduce the size of the custom action DLLs. -- Mike Dimmick _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Kowalski Sent: 05 December 2006 19:42 To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [WiX-users] VS2005 C++ and Custom Actions I've created a simple C++ .dll in VS2005 to do some checks for me during the install after a user has selected an installation folder. The problem I am having is with the VS2005 C++ runtime (msvcp80.dll). The compiled .dll apparently needs to have the runtime installed otherwise the installation fails when attempting to execute the custom action (Dependent Assembly Microsoft.VC80.CRT could not be found). Is there any way to get around having to install the redistributable package (vcredist_x86.exe) before running my install? Any help would be greatly appreciated! - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users
Re: [WiX-users] GenerateBootstrapper questions
It's a Setup and Deployment project. Phil Wilson (949)639-1680 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Thielen Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 1:26 PM To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [WiX-users] GenerateBootstrapper questions Hi; I looked for that the other day. In Setup and Deployment all I have is Setup Project, Merge Module Project, CAB Project, Web Setup Project, Setup Wizard, and Smart Device CAB Project. Is it one of those or do I need to download something? Thanks - dave David Thielen www.windwardreports.com 303-499-2544 x1185 Cubicle Wars - http://www.windwardreports.com/film.htm From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wilson, Phil Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 2:06 PM To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [WiX-users] GenerateBootstrapper questions Just to add that if one wanted to see a consolidated list of how the bootstrapper manifest checks and installs products (and this includes SQL and J# 2.0), build a Visual Studio 2005 SetupDeployment project bootstrapper with all the prerequisites checked. This builds an exe with the manifest in resource #41, and opening the exe in VS 2005, looking at the resources and exporting resource #41's SETUPCFG as a text file will do it. In conjunction with the MSDN Magazine Bootstrapper article, this is pretty much enough to figure things out. Phil Wilson From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erv Walter Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 11:07 AM To: David Thielen; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [WiX-users] GenerateBootstrapper questions Some answers to your questions (sorry, not all): #1. The official documentation for GenerateBootstrapper (the MSBuild task) is http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms164294.aspx. I don't know where the official documentation for the bootstrapper itself it. You don't need to make a package.xml file at all unless you are creating a redistributable package. If you need to do that, you put the HomeSite in the product.xml file. #2. Never tried it. Don't know if it is useful. #3. In your msbuild project you set the ApplicationFile attribute to the filename of your .msi on the GenerateBootstrapper task (see my sample in a previous email). It's not embedded. It sits side by side with the setup.exe. I believe you can have it be downloaded using the ApplicationUrl attribute (at least the documentation implies that), but I have not tested it. #4. The only things you can control are the name for your application (using the ApplicationName attribute). The rest of the UI is un-configurable. #5. The bootstrapper generates a setup.exe to sit beside your .msi (and any of your dependencies if you are not downloading them). You could use tools like PackageForTheWeb to pack them into a single file if you need to, or you might be able to have everything be downloaded including your .msi (see above) so that they only get the setup.exe. #6. You might be able to copy the existing SQL Express package and adjust the rules in its product.xml file to make it not be installed if SQL is already installed (you'll have to look at the product.xml and learn its syntax by a combination of insight and trial and error--I don't know of any documentation, but the format is pretty intuitive when you look at it). But you can't make dependecies optional for the user to decide with this bootstrapper. It doesn't support that. #7. I sent you a previous email with a sample msbuild project file. You put your list of dependencies in the BootstrapperItems ItemGroup. #8. No, it only supports either always downloaded or always local. #8b. If you are doing local, when you run the msbuild project, by default it will copy the files to the output directory in the proper directory structure. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Thielen Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 12:07 PM To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [WiX-users] GenerateBootstrapper questions Hi; I posted this also in the MS forums (no answer) and the MSDN managed newsgroups (useless answer). I am hoping someone here can help. First off, I have read the following: http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/issues/04/10/Bootstrapper/ http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnvs05/ html/custom_pkg.asp http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms164294.aspx http://www.gotdotnet.com/workspaces/workspace.aspx?id=ddb4f08c-7d7c-4f44 -a009-ea19fc812545 Sorry for all the questions - there is a lot of content about using the bootstrapper to do X but none I could find about all the properties for anything other than the samples shown. And unfortunately none showed requiring J# (a prerequisite for
[WiX-users] Comparing two MSIs
Is there a tool out there to compare two MSIs? I'm moving our MSIs to wixv3, and I want to verify that the built MSIs are the same as previously. Cullen Waters SDET Office Live +1 425 706 6809 x 66809 - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users
Re: [WiX-users] Comparing two MSIs
Orca is a fair good tool and will allow you to eyeball compare the tables, not sure it has any automatic comparison feature. Joel Peterson Quality Assurance Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cullen Waters Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 3:28 PM To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [WiX-users] Comparing two MSIs Is there a tool out there to compare two MSIs? I'm moving our MSIs to wixv3, and I want to verify that the built MSIs are the same as previously. Cullen Waters SDET Office Live +1 425 706 6809 x 66809 - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users
Re: [WiX-users] Comparing two MSIs
A lot of our installers are pretty complex, and use a bunch of tables. I was hoping for something more automated. From: Peterson, Joel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 3:36 PM To: Cullen Waters; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [WiX-users] Comparing two MSIs Orca is a fair good tool and will allow you to eyeball compare the tables, not sure it has any automatic comparison feature. Joel Peterson Quality Assurance Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cullen Waters Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 3:28 PM To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [WiX-users] Comparing two MSIs Is there a tool out there to compare two MSIs? I'm moving our MSIs to wixv3, and I want to verify that the built MSIs are the same as previously. Cullen Waters SDET Office Live +1 425 706 6809 x 66809 - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users
Re: [WiX-users] bootstrapper - final questions (I think)
David, For #1: The UI is _not_ configurable (with the exception of the title of the dialog boxes). The best way to structure this is to create a Self Extracting EXE that holds the Setup.exe and your MSI. Configure the Self Extracting EXE to run Setup.EXE when it is unpacked. ChilkatSoft.com offers a free tool to do this: http://www.chilkatsoft.com/ChilkatSfx.asp The also offer a component you can use that offers a few more options. For #2: In the GenerateBootstrapper element there is a Culture and FallbackCulture attributes. These control the language. If you examine the following directories: C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio 8\SDK\v2.0\BootStrapper\Packages you will see under each directory, like dotnetfx, a sub directory titled en (if you're using english). If you examine the Package.xml file you'll see the localized strings and the url's for the actual downloads. It's a good question where/how to get the other languages (I don't know... you could brute force it by installing VS2005 in a virtual PC in all the languages you need). If you need more than one language you will need to generate more than one Setup.exe. It _ought_ to be simple enough to stuff each Setup.exe in a subdirectory by culture (so you end up with en\Setup.exe, es\Setup.exe, fr\Setup.exe and so on). You would then need a quick and dirty front end that offers a please pick language facility and then invokes the appropriate setup. Or you could just have separate downloads for each language. #3 and #4 are not handled by the GenerateBootstrapper at all. Generally these sort of requirements are handled by your actual MSI. The general scheme is to detect whether or not a requirement has been met and if not display a message say missing component X. For an improved user experience you could show a single dialog that lists all the required components and whether or not they are present (only show the dialog if at least one is missing). Detecting IIS is fairly easy in v3: link with WixIIsExtension.dll and then the following just works: PropertyRef Id=IISMAJORVERSION/ Condition Message=IIS version 5 or 6 must be installed ([IISMAJORVERSION]) Installed OR (IISMAJORVERSION = #5 OR IISMAJORVERSION = #6) /Condition Not sure about Wix v2. Hotfixes might not be too bad to detect if they show up in Add/Remove Programs. If you can determine thee upgradecode/productcode for each hot fix, then the Upgrade elements should be able to help... make sure OnlyDetect is set though. Take a gawk at: http://www.tramontana.co.hu/wix/lesson4.php Regards, Rob _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Thielen Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 6:15 PM To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [WiX-users] bootstrapper - final questions (I think) First off - THANK YOU very much to everyone who helped and in particular Erv Walter. I think I have it working. A couple of questions: 1. If all the prerequisites exist and I use ApplicationUrl what happens is a window pops up for a split second, goes away, and then nothing while it is downloading. Then our program pops up. Is there some way to get a message while this is happening, preferably with a status bar? Otherwise people are going to think it just went away - especially if their download speed is slow. 1. Note - this is only an issue if all prerequisites are already installed. If a prerequisite needs to be installed then this download will show with a status bar. 2. If that cannot be done, what's the best way to structure this? It seems to me it is have a MSI that holds setup.exe and our MSI, it installs both, runs setup.exe and it calls the other MSI locally at the end. But this means we then have 2 MSIs and that's ugly. Any other approaches? 2. Any idea what to put in for the .NET 2.0 and J# 2.0 language packs? 3. Any idea what to put in to get the Office hotfixes (listed at http://www.windwardreports.com/office_hotfix.htm) to install? Two of them for Word 200/2002/2003 and one for Word 2003 only. 4. Any idea how to make IIS a prerequisite (sort-of essential for an ASP.NET app). Thanks - dave David Thielen http://www.windwardreports.com www.windwardreports.com 303-499-2544 x1185 Cubicle Wars - http://www.windwardreports.com/film.htm http://www.windwardreports.com/film.htm - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users
Re: [WiX-users] Comparing two MSIs
There's a script in the MSI SDK called WiDiffDb.vbs, I use it on occasion to do this. Michael _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peterson, Joel Sent: Thursday, 7 December 2006 9:36 AM To: Cullen Waters; wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [WiX-users] Comparing two MSIs Orca is a fair good tool and will allow you to eyeball compare the tables, not sure it has any automatic comparison feature. Joel Peterson Quality Assurance Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cullen Waters Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 3:28 PM To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [WiX-users] Comparing two MSIs Is there a tool out there to compare two MSIs? I'm moving our MSIs to wixv3, and I want to verify that the built MSIs are the same as previously. Cullen Waters SDET Office Live +1 425 706 6809 x 66809 - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users
Re: [WiX-users] bootstrapper - final questions (I think)
Does this strike anyone else as Rube Goldberg-like? A setup program that extracts a setup and msi and calls that setup which at the end calls the msi. I'm looking forward to WIX adding this functionality. Again, thank you for all the help. What/how to do this is not easy or intuitive so the help here has been invaluable. Thanks - dave David Thielen www.windwardreports.com 303-499-2544 x1185 Cubicle Wars - http://www.windwardreports.com/film.htm From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rob MacFadyen Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 5:25 PM To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [WiX-users] bootstrapper - final questions (I think) David, For #1: The UI is _not_ configurable (with the exception of the title of the dialog boxes). The best way to structure this is to create a Self Extracting EXE that holds the Setup.exe and your MSI. Configure the Self Extracting EXE to run Setup.EXE when it is unpacked. ChilkatSoft.com offers a free tool to do this: http://www.chilkatsoft.com/ChilkatSfx.asp The also offer a component you can use that offers a few more options. For #2: In the GenerateBootstrapper element there is a Culture and FallbackCulture attributes. These control the language. If you examine the following directories: C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio 8\SDK\v2.0\BootStrapper\Packages you will see under each directory, like dotnetfx, a sub directory titled en (if you're using english). If you examine the Package.xml file you'll see the localized strings and the url's for the actual downloads. It's a good question where/how to get the other languages (I don't know... you could brute force it by installing VS2005 in a virtual PC in all the languages you need). If you need more than one language you will need to generate more than one Setup.exe. It _ought_ to be simple enough to stuff each Setup.exe in a subdirectory by culture (so you end up with en\Setup.exe, es\Setup.exe, fr\Setup.exe and so on). You would then need a quick and dirty front end that offers a please pick language facility and then invokes the appropriate setup. Or you could just have separate downloads for each language. #3 and #4 are not handled by the GenerateBootstrapper at all. Generally these sort of requirements are handled by your actual MSI. The general scheme is to detect whether or not a requirement has been met and if not display a message say missing component X. For an improved user experience you could show a single dialog that lists all the required components and whether or not they are present (only show the dialog if at least one is missing). Detecting IIS is fairly easy in v3: link with WixIIsExtension.dll and then the following just works: PropertyRef Id=IISMAJORVERSION/ Condition Message=IIS version 5 or 6 must be installed ([IISMAJORVERSION]) Installed OR (IISMAJORVERSION = #5 OR IISMAJORVERSION = #6) /Condition Not sure about Wix v2. Hotfixes might not be too bad to detect if they show up in Add/Remove Programs. If you can determine thee upgradecode/productcode for each hot fix, then the Upgrade elements should be able to help... make sure OnlyDetect is set though. Take a gawk at: http://www.tramontana.co.hu/wix/lesson4.php Regards, Rob From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Thielen Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 6:15 PM To: wix-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [WiX-users] bootstrapper - final questions (I think) First off - THANK YOU very much to everyone who helped and in particular Erv Walter. I think I have it working. A couple of questions: 1. If all the prerequisites exist and I use ApplicationUrl what happens is a window pops up for a split second, goes away, and then nothing while it is downloading. Then our program pops up. Is there some way to get a message while this is happening, preferably with a status bar? Otherwise people are going to think it just went away - especially if their download speed is slow. 1. Note - this is only an issue if all prerequisites are already installed. If a prerequisite needs to be installed then this download will show with a status bar. 2. If that cannot be done, what's the best way to structure this? It seems to me it is have a MSI that holds setup.exe and our MSI, it installs both, runs setup.exe and it calls the other MSI locally at the end. But this means we then have 2 MSIs and that's ugly. Any other approaches? 2. Any idea what to put in for the .NET 2.0 and J# 2.0 language packs? 3. Any idea what to put in to get the Office hotfixes (listed at http://www.windwardreports.com/office_hotfix.htm) to install? Two of them for Word 200/2002/2003 and one for Word 2003 only. 4. Any idea how to make IIS a prerequisite (sort-of essential for an
Re: [WiX-users] VS2005 C++ and Custom Actions
Mike Dimmick wrote: You should try to eliminate use of the CRT, if possible, and statically link with it to remove the dependency on the CRT DLLs. There's nothing wrong with using the CRT as long as you statically link. The WiX custom actions should probably take the lead here and replace calls to CRT functions with equivalent Windows functions, then replace the CRT-supplied entry point function with a stub. This could well reduce the size of the custom action DLLs. Why? Unless we got rid of CRT dependencies entirely... -- sig://boB http://bobs.org - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users
Re: [WiX-users] Need recomendation - including .NET redist
Pallavi Patrutkar wrote: Some days before I was facing problem while upgradation from previous version to newer version. I added a new component that was adding a new registry value while installation. While upgradation, it was not installing some of the components properly while at the time of fresh installation, it was working properly. What kind of upgrade did you do? Check a verbose log around InstallValidate to see which components MSI thought it needed to install. -- sig://boB http://bobs.org - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users
[WiX-users] Votive 3 Project Variables
I've recently upgraded some Votive projects from version 2 to version 3. In version 2, the following preprocessor variables existed: var.Project.ConfigurationName var.Project.ProjectDir var.Project.ProjectDosFileName var.Project.TargetDir var.SolutionDir (etc) In Votive 3, they don't seem to exist. I've checked the source to see what might take their place and didn't find anything. If the lack of these variables are a deliberate omission from the new version, what is the best workaround? If I define them manually, the project can't determine if it should grab files from obj\Debug or \obj\Release. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ WiX-users mailing list WiX-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wix-users
