[WSG] left float div and background colours
Hi, does anyone know why:A div with a float:left attribute will make the background colour of its surrounding div turn transparent in mozilla and just about every browser except IE?
Re: [WSG] theage.com.au: new design
Peter Ottery spoke the following wise words on 20/04/2004 10:27 AM EST: hiya, we relaunched theage.com.au today with improved markup and a css layout. http://theage.com.au/ Peter, once again my hat goes off to the f2 team. One interesting choice , I noticed, was in the print style sheet where you've set a 600px width for #content. Shouldn't you be letting the UA set it's own margins for printing? Also, have you considered including a rule in the print stylesheet for those using CSS3 capable browsers to print the URL of links? -- tim lucas www.toolmantim.com smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: [WSG] CSS 3-col draft: Request for opinion
Hello List, After doing the homework (thanks to James Ellis and an excellent tutorial from him about the subject) I think I have managed to create a solid 3-col layout using CSS. It is here: http://www.apex-ethics.com/ (OT) This site belongs to an ethics organization (APEX, Association for Positive Ethical eXchange) from and for site owners and webmasters. It tries to encourage professional practices regarding privacy, copyright and ethics amongst site owners providing goods and services. Feel free to look around, please. Any good soul can provide feedback on IE5/Mac? I was able to test already it in the the platform from hell as James called it: IE5.5/WinME. It worked fine. On a side note, did you have any info about some webservers, like this at doteasy.com, not serving images as backgrounds if the images are less than 1Kb in size?! I almost fainted when after uploading the pages, all the bullets were missing. I am using the background bullet technique. The background-image only worked if the image was bigger than 1Kb. I had to change the url() for the background images, so that I can load them from my domain server, cb2web.com. That's why you will see that in the CSS. Just a matter of time until we move to a new hosting provider, hopefully. But, how can this be set by a server?! Thank you List, Carlos www.cb2web.com - Original Message - From: Cb2 Web Design [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] CSS 3-col draft: Request for opinion Russ, I'll appreciate if you can send me a screen shoot, please... thank you! Too bad, I was hoping it could hold... Any other browser/OS combinations ? Thank you all in advance. Carlos - Original Message - From: russ weakley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Web Standards Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] CSS 3-col draft: Request for opinion Do you think it will hold? Or is it to clumpsy? Can someone tell me what happens in a IE/Mac environment? MacIE - breaks badly. Three columns end up one under each other - seems to be a width issue. Can send screen shot if needed. Russ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] theage.com.au: new design
Nice one It's great to see such a large site being discussed openly on the list. Other than what has been discussed, the only I thing I can see is the markup: p class=standardsNote strongNote:/strong You are reading this message either because you can not see our css files, or because you do not have a standards-compliant browser. Read our a href=http://www.f2.com.au/browserstandards/;browser standards page/a for details or a text based version of this site is a href=www.theage.com.au/text/index.htmlavailable here/a. /p That will be visible to your search engines... it would be better to put this behind a help link on the site. Cheers James Tim Lucas wrote: Peter Ottery spoke the following wise words on 20/04/2004 10:27 AM EST: hiya, we relaunched theage.com.au today with improved markup and a css layout. http://theage.com.au/ Peter, once again my hat goes off to the f2 team. One interesting choice , I noticed, was in the print style sheet where you've set a 600px width for #content. Shouldn't you be letting the UA set it's own margins for printing? Also, have you considered including a rule in the print stylesheet for those using CSS3 capable browsers to print the URL of links? -- tim lucas www.toolmantim.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Web Essentials 04
Just wanted to say how cool the Web Essentials 04 conference looks. http://we04.com/ It's defiantly something I'd love to attend. Shame it's on the other side of the world. I assume all the aussie developers on the list are planning to be there. Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] CSS 3-col draft: Request for opinion
El mar, 20-04-2004 a las 12:41, Bert escribió: I am using the background bullet technique. Can't help you on the server issue (other than to make the image bigger so the server WILL serve it) but what is the background bullet technique? Can't you use a list-style-image? Inconsistencies in the render of list-style-image make its use not to easy. A common workaround is to set the style to list-style-type:none and use a bullet image as the background to the li element (1). At least, i think he's talking about that, didn't catch the original message :) (1) http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listutorial/introduction.htm -- Manuel González Noriega Simplelógica, construcción web URL: http://simplelogica.net EMAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TELEFONO: (+34) 985 22 12 65 Logicola es el weblog de Simplelógica http://simplelogica.net/logicola/ /pThat's right. We said Frontpage./p * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Web Essentials 04
Im a Sydneysider and would love to attend but as a Freelancer the cost VS benefit just doesnt make sense for me :-( -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Andy Budd wrote: Just wanted to say how cool the Web Essentials 04 conference looks. http://we04.com/ It's defiantly something I'd love to attend. Shame it's on the other side of the world. I assume all the aussie developers on the list are planning to be there. Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Some links for reading...
WestCiv have just started their free course program again, kicking off with HTML and XHTML for CSS. Great stuff as always... http://www.westciv.com/courses/free/index.html An exercise in clarity: Web Standards http://www.37signals.com/svn/archives/000648.php?54 456 Berea Street - Developing with web standards Excellent article: http://www.456bereastreet.com/lab/developing_with_web_standards/ Web standards. They¹re big, dumb, and they don¹t work. Yet, they persist. Why? A strange perspective by a 'professional' web developer: http://www.apcmag.com/apc/v3.nsf/0/A569C81864DC4F1BCA256E5F001A59C5 CSS tutorial - starting with HTML + CSS A short tutorial is meant for people who want to start using CSS and have never written a CSS style sheet before - by Bert Bos http://www.w3.org/Style/Examples/011/firstcss.html Good web page titles - essential for SEO: Proper titling of you Web pages is probably the easiest and best thing you can do to improve the usability of your Web site. http://www.7nights.com/asterisk/archives/good_web_page_titles.php Russ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] CSS 3-col draft: Request for opinion
Hi Bert, You said: What about all those nested divs - not as bad as (shudder) nested tables, but is it necessary? - Not that bad at all, see Nested DIVs, nested TABLEs, what's the difference? at (1). Anyway, and this way, I have dealt with the box model problem in IE without hacks (I think). As I told, this was based on something James Ellis posted a while ago at WSG, see (2) and look for 3 column CSS layout with footer that works; - The metadata is experimental, as I am trying to incorporate Dublin Core Metadata in the design and look for the results (in terms of searchability); - The class=normal is my way of controlling template properties in Dreamweaver, so that some items in the navigation menu, defined in the template, can be changed in the individual pages... for instance, setting the style of the current page corresponding item in the left menu to another background-color and color, as well as suppressing the link to itself. I know, I am not an hand-coder, shame on me :)); You said: Can't help you on the server issue (other than to make the image bigger so the server WILL serve it) but what is the background bullet technique? Can't you use a list-style-image? - Manuel already answered: Yes, that's the reason and the source is that resource (3) that Manuel pointed; Thank you for your feedback, Bert :) (1) http://www.alistapart.com/articles/practicalcss/ (2) http://webstandardsgroup.org/resources/ (3) http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listutorial/introduction.htm My best, Carlos www.cb2web.com - Original Message - From: Bert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 11:41 AM Subject: RE: [WSG] CSS 3-col draft: Request for opinion Hi Carlos and group I'm new to the Web Standards Group and am not famliar with past discussion topics - hope I'm not speaking out of turn. I'm quite familiar with CSS and XHTML (1.1) but always willing to learn new tricks. http://www.apex-ethics.com/ One of the things I noticed is the amount of code in the head section - lots of comments (presumably inserted by Dreamweaver) and Meta data. Perhaps I'm ignorant, but is all that code necessary for a site to function? What about all those nested divs - not as bad as (shudder) nested tables, but is it necessary? Also, I see lots of links with class=normal. Would it not be more efficient to set the default link in the container to waht this class represents? In other words, set the style for #Navleft a to what your normal class currently has. (I tend to use classes only for exceptions) I am using the background bullet technique. Can't help you on the server issue (other than to make the image bigger so the server WILL serve it) but what is the background bullet technique? Can't you use a list-style-image? Regards -- Bert Doorn, Better Web Design www.betterwebdesign.com.au Fast-loading, user-friendly websites * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] compliant version of the following????
Cancel that - figured it out - CAPS on the meta :-) time to go to bed :-/ -Original Message- From: theGrafixGuy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 5:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] compliant version of the following I am working on my site and am having trouble with the following metatag (Our SAfeSurf rating): META http-equiv=PICS-Label content='(PICS-1.1 http://www.classify.org/safesurf/; L gen true for http://www.thegrafixguy.com; r (SS~~000 1))' / The XHTML Transitional validator of W3C is telling me No such attribute so what do I do - is their an alternative compliant way of writing this tag??? Thanks for the feedback Brian * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Web Essentials 04
- Original Message - From: Andy Budd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] Web Essentials 04 Just wanted to say how cool the Web Essentials 04 conference looks. http://we04.com/ It's defiantly something I'd love to attend. Shame it's on the other side of the world. I second that. I would have loved to attend, but the costs of flying to Oz (and the registration fee) make it impossible for me :( Simon Jessey -- mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web : http://jessey.net/blog/ work: http://keystonewebsites.com/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Web Essentials 04
Well... The cat is out of the bag now... Although we let Sydney members know about the conference at the last meeting, we have been keeping a bit quite about it till the online registration is up and running, which will be within the next few days. We are incredibly excited about this conference as it is the first time we have had big names like Dave Shea, Doug Bowman and Joe Clark in Australia - and all at one time! How many times have you thought it would be good to hear these guys talk, and now Australian developers will be able to see them all - in person. As well as these big names, we have a range of Australian talent including: - John Allsopp (Westciv and Style Master) - Bruce Macguire (successfully sued SOCOC over inaccessibility for blind users) - David Woodbridge (a blind accessibility expert) - Robert Spriggs (a low vision accessibility expert) - Roger Hudson, a Sydney based accessibility expert (a leader in cognitive impaired users) - Ben Bishop (creator of the famous Aura templates) - Mark Stanton (a local XHTML/HTML guru and frequenter of the WSG list) - And that Russ Weakley guy who is obsessed with CSS lists :) It is going to be huge! The conference is spread over two days. The first day is about inspiring and motivating web developers, while the second day is about detailed practical information, tips and advice - focussing on CSS, accessibility and markup. The final session will be a panel where anyone can fire questions at Dave, Doug or Joe. We will also be running a series of intensive workshops before the conference which we will be letting you know about in the near future. We feel that the price will be well worth it for any developer in the region, whether they are just getting into CSS, or hardened standards warriors (with battle scars to prove it). All of our heads will be popping with CSS, markup and accessibility info before the conference is over. But wait, there's more. Did I mention a free set of steak knives? :) We'll let you know when the booking system is online. Russ Im a Sydneysider and would love to attend but as a Freelancer the cost VS benefit just doesnt make sense for me :-( * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Web Essentials 04
For a 2 day conference, the registration costs seem pretty reasonable. And I assume, like the UK, if you're running your own business, the costs would be tax deductible. Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Some links for reading...
One of the comments left on the site for that article made me spill Diet Coke everywhere. Too funny: CSS is an arcane, poorly implemented technology that reacts very differently not only on different platforms and different browsers, but also on different versions of the same browser on the same platform. That's analagous to saying: 'This tennis ball is rubbish, it works fine when I hit it with a tennis racquet, but when I try to hit it with this fresh turd, the ball doesn't go anywhere and I get covered in crap. Simon Jessey -- mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web : http://jessey.net/blog/ work: http://keystonewebsites.com/ - Original Message - From: russ - maxdesign [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] Some links for reading... Web standards. They¹re big, dumb, and they don¹t work. Yet, they persist. Why? A strange perspective by a 'professional' web developer: http://www.apcmag.com/apc/v3.nsf/0/A569C81864DC4F1BCA256E5F001A59C5 * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Notes from recent Sydney WSG meeting
Last week we held another Sydney WSG meeting, with guest presenters David Woodbridge and Robert Spriggs. It was a great meeting with 45 people attending - our biggest turnout yet. Talking to people afterwards, it seems there a lot of good information presented. For some people it was the first time they had seen and heard a blind person accessing the web. For others it was seeing how severely vision impaired users access the web via ZoomText or inbuilt magnifier. All valuable stuff! David and Robert have allowed us the to post the Powerpoint presentation online - as well as some more detailed background information. These resources are now available here: http://webstandardsgroup.org/go/resource168.cfm In the next week or so we also intend to put online some video footage and sound bites from the event - for those who couldn't attend. Ben Bishop also took photos of David's equipment including his Braille reader and Braille light. We will try and get those onto the resource page soon too. Hint to Ben ;) Thanks Russ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Attribute wrap not allowed in text areas
What is the recommended replacement when using a textarea? Thanks Brian * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Web Essentials 04
Ok, I'm a full-time student, and as such, I'm full-time broke :( I'm VERY keen to attend this seminar, and I'm wondering if any other students want to band together and try for some kind of group discount? Email me if you're interested... Andrew. _ What's your house worth? Click here to find out: http://www.ninemsn.realestate.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Attribute wrap not allowed in text areas
On 21/04/2004, at 12:33 AM, theGrafixGuy wrote: What is the recommended replacement when using a textarea? I haven't replaced it with anything... just got rid of it, which has been fine for me, since I used wrap='virtual', which seems to be the default behaviour for every browser I'm testing... further more, it's always a good idea not to mess with the default behaviour of widgets and other browser/OS level GUI elements. If you were specifically after wrap=none or wrap=physical (?), then I'm not really sure... my guess is it can be done with CSS's overflow --- Justin French http://indent.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Help in web-standards Flash insert code
Comrades It's not very often I fire up Flash, but today has been one of those 'rusty' days. Can anyone please help in converting this tag mess into standards-compliant code for inserting a swf into my page? div id=Flash object classid=clsid:D27CDB6E-AE6D-11cf-96B8-44455354 codebase=http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab#version=6,0,0,0; width=770 height=400 id=default param name=movie value=default.swf param name=loop value=false param name=quality value=high param name=bgcolor value=#000 embed src=default.swf loop=false quality=high bgcolor=#000 width=770 height=400 name=home_3 type=application/x-shockwave-flash PLUGINSPAGE=http://www.macromedia.com/go/getflashplayer;/embed /object /div Thanks (hoping) in advance... Malarkey * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] theage.com.au: new design
Title: RE: [WSG] theage.com.au: new design Hi Tim, re I noticed, was in the print style sheet where you've set a 600px width for #content. Shouldn't you be letting the UA set it's own margins for printing? yep, guilty as charged, in a mad rush i put that in as a quick solution (opera seemed to chop off the last word or so on the right when i didnt specify a width..?) but i'll be looking at that today to get a more scaleable solution re have you considered including a rule in the print stylesheet for those using CSS3 capable browsers to print the URL of links? i will now ;-) cheers for yr feedback, pete -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tim Lucas Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 6:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] theage.com.au: new design Peter Ottery spoke the following wise words on 20/04/2004 10:27 AM EST: hiya, we relaunched theage.com.au today with improved markup and a css layout. http://theage.com.au/ Peter, once again my hat goes off to the f2 team. One interesting choice , I noticed, was in the print style sheet where you've set a 600px width for #content. Shouldn't you be letting the UA set it's own margins for printing? Also, have you considered including a rule in the print stylesheet for those using CSS3 capable browsers to print the URL of links? -- tim lucas www.toolmantim.com
Re: [WSG] Attribute wrap not allowed in text areas
Umm off the top of my head you could try overflow : auto; HTH Cheers James theGrafixGuy wrote: What is the recommended replacement when using a textarea? Thanks Brian * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Help in web-standards Flash insert code
Andy Some links: (not meaning to beat my drum, but..) http://www.sitepoint.com/articlelist/300 and... http://www.alistapart.com/articles/flashsatay/ and... http://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1081798064count=1 HTH James Andy Clarke wrote: Comrades It's not very often I fire up Flash, but today has been one of those 'rusty' days. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Web Essentials 04
Andrew Krespanis spoke the following wise words on 21/04/2004 12:46 AM EST: Ok, I'm a full-time student, and as such, I'm full-time broke :( I'm VERY keen to attend this seminar, and I'm wondering if any other students want to band together and try for some kind of group discount? Email me if you're interested... That's gonna have to be one helluva discount! ;) -- tim smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
RE: [WSG] 'Big, dumb web standards'
On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 09:25:50 -0400, Chatham, Will wrote:
He has
obviously never tried to code a standards-based web page using CSS, or that
article would never have been written.
Actually, I would suggest he has tried writing css, but without any
support (eg this list) to get him past that 'hump' that we all
experience when changing over.
CSS-driven markup is no harder than table-driven markup, but it is
completely different, and if you have been trained in one, then the
other is somewhat counterintuitive.
I could imagine an equivalent article being written by someone starting
now, who learns only css, and then for some bizarre reason got a job in
a table-driven shop ('our clients demand pixel perfect presentation
across all browsers, including NN4' - it wasnt that long ago that that
happened).
The table-driven hacks would drive them mad.
So dont be too mad at him.
The best revenge is success. :)
warmly,
Lea
--
Lea de Groot
Elysian Systems - http://elysiansystems.com/
Brisbane, Australia
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RE: [WSG] Browser testing across Windows OS's
http://www.browsercam.com -Original Message- From: Miles Tillinger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 21 April 2004 10:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] Browser testing across Windows OS's hmm, nobody wants to help or give away their secret strategies? or nobody does browser testing? Or do I smell? Mt. -Original Message- From: Miles Tillinger Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 4:42 PM To: Web Standards Group (E-mail) Subject: [WSG] Browser testing across Windows OS's Hi all, I'm working on improving the site testing procedures here at work. I'm trying to gauge the need to test browsers on the different Windows (and other) OS's. I'm using the standalone IE's under Windows XP and I'm wondering if the IE5.5 standalone is behaving exactly the same as an integrated IE5.5 installation on Windows 2000, ME or 98(SE)? E.g. Are there any HTML, Javascript or CSS bugs that are present in IE5.5 Win2k, but not IE5.5 WinXP? Same question for Netscape, Mozilla and other browsers. Are they mostly identical across the various OS's they support? Evolt.org's testing chart only includes Windows, not the individual versions (http://evolt.org/article/Browser_testing_list/20/548/index.ht ml looks rather old). Nor does it talk about different versions of MacOS. Do WSG members consider this sufficient testing strategy? I understand this is probably going to be very different from one organisation to another but there has to be a baseline at least! I'm keen to hear some opinions and get some good resources on this to hopefully get an idea of how far I need to take our testing strategy. Thanks in advance, Miles. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] Browser testing across Windows OS's
heya Miles, at work I have 2 computers infront of me. I have a pc which I do all of my interface development on. I also have ie5, 5.5 and 6 installed and running side by side, with ns6.2 open. the browser that I develop in is firefox. 99% of the time if it works in firefox it works right across the board. Keep in mind though to do this you have to know each browsers little quirks when you render the page. the other computer I have is a g4 with safari, ns7, ie5.1, ie5.2, and firefox for osx. like I said before develop in firefox and you will pretty much get it looking as it should be across the range of browsers. I dont develop for konqeror (sp) or opera unless the clients specifically ask for it. having said that safari is based on konqeror (sp) jsut to test whether running all ie's side by side on the pc were working as they should be I had 98 and 2000 boxen set up and there were no differences I could see. happy browser testing Benjamin Life through a polaroid www.lifethroughapolaroid.com hmm, nobody wants to help or give away their secret strategies? or nobody does browser testing? Or do I smell? Mt. -Original Message- From: Miles Tillinger Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 4:42 PM To: Web Standards Group (E-mail) Subject: [WSG] Browser testing across Windows OS's Hi all, I'm working on improving the site testing procedures here at work. I'm trying to gauge the need to test browsers on the different Windows (and other) OS's. I'm using the standalone IE's under Windows XP and I'm wondering if the IE5.5 standalone is behaving exactly the same as an integrated IE5.5 installation on Windows 2000, ME or 98(SE)? E.g. Are there any HTML, Javascript or CSS bugs that are present in IE5.5 Win2k, but not IE5.5 WinXP? Same question for Netscape, Mozilla and other browsers. Are they mostly identical across the various OS's they support? Evolt.org's testing chart only includes Windows, not the individual versions (http://evolt.org/article/Browser_testing_list/20/548/index.ht ml looks rather old). Nor does it talk about different versions of MacOS. Do WSG members consider this sufficient testing strategy? I understand this is probably going to be very different from one organisation to another but there has to be a baseline at least! I'm keen to hear some opinions and get some good resources on this to hopefully get an idea of how far I need to take our testing strategy. Thanks in advance, Miles. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] Browser testing across Windows OS's
I have tested projects in the past on IE5.5 across Windows 98, NT4 and Win2k boxes with no noticeable differences. These projects have included basic javascript and flash. So now I just test on one PC (Win2k) running IE4, IE5, IE5.5, IE 6, NS3 (great for testing how a page works with no CSS and minimal JS), NS4.7, Lynx, Opera 7.23, Mozilla 1.6 and Firefox 0.8 and I have an ancient G3 running Os X and Safari, IE5.23, Opera 7.5 beta and Firefox 0.8 as well as the classic environ and IE5.1. Note there is a diiference between Firefox 0.8 on Mac OS X and Windows. The Windows version supports opacity, on a Mac any opacity value 1 (ie 0.95) is treated as 0, making the element invisible. Nick * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Web Essentials 04
Can I get a dollar discount for every newbie question I answer on this mail list? -- Cameron W: www.themaninblue.com That's gonna have to be one helluva discount! ;) -- tim __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ http://photos.yahoo.com/ph/print_splash * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Ten Questions for Eric Meyer - a WSG interview
Nice work Russ.. keep them coming! Eric's level headed attitude never fails to impress. Regards Chris Blown http://hinterlands.com.au On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 13:01, russ - maxdesign wrote: Hi all, Announcing an exciting addition to the WSG site. I have been interviewing a range of high profile web developers and web gurus about web standards, CSS and web related topics. Each interviewee has been asked 10 questions. We had intended to hold off launching these interviews till the new site was launched, but these interviews are just too good to hold off. So, every week I'll publish one of these interviews on our site in the new features section. And, who better than to start with Eric Meyer? Eric is grilled about his new books, image replacement techniques, font-size, CSS hacks and more: http://webstandardsgroup.org/features/eric-meyer.cfm Stay tuned. Over the coming weeks there will be more including: - D. Keith Robinson - Nick Finck - Andy Budd - Anne van Kesteren - Patrick Griffiths And more... Hope you like them! Russ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] theage.com.au: new design
Title: RE: [WSG] theage.com.au: new design James wrote: It's great to see such a large site being discussed openly on the list. agreed. feels a bit weird - but hey, we're one big happy family right? ;-) Other than what has been discussed, the only I thing I can see is the markup: p class=standardsNote That will be visible to your search engines... it would be better to put this behind a help link on the site. also agreed. to be honest we were worried about the NS4 crowd (and other similar browsers) seeing the unstyled page and hoped that this message would ease the shock and provide some useful info. what has occured is not ONE such email, (which is obviously great) so we are ripping it of shortly. thanks James :) pete
Re: [WSG] theage.com.au: new design
Yeah, taxidermy's the best option for them ... the NS4 people who have raised your site is broken with me upgraded to Net 7. Ooh it works. That said, I did have a user complain that the site was slow on their 2.4 kb modem the other day, truly. I thought about buying a 56k modem for them. Cheers James Peter Ottery wrote: James wrote: It's great to see such a large site being discussed openly on the list. agreed. feels a bit weird - but hey, we're one big happy family right? ;-) Other than what has been discussed, the only I thing I can see is the markup: p class=standardsNote That will be visible to your search engines... it would be better to put this behind a help link on the site. also agreed. to be honest we were worried about the NS4 crowd (and other similar browsers) seeing the unstyled page and hoped that this message would ease the shock and provide some useful info. what has occured is not ONE such email, (which is obviously great) so we are ripping it of shortly. thanks James :) pete * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
