[WSG] damn

[Ryan Smith]

Heres the link:

http://www.forum.nokia.com/main/0,6566,1_1_25_30,00.html

[WSG] Nokias answer to xhtml?

[Ryan Smith]

 

I was reading the thread about the handheld media type

http://www.htmldog.com/ptg/archives/56.php

 

then somehow
found what might be the answer for Nokias poor
performance. Am I off base here? Can anyone clarify?

 

RE: [WSG] invalid xhtml

[Andrew Sione Taumoefolau]

Hi Patrick,

> or you could convert it to xhtml 1.0 strict, which *may* still
> be sent as text/html

XHTML 1.0 strict is still XML, which means that you should not send it
as text/html.

Hey look! Angels, on the head of that pin! :)

Cheers,

Andrew

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RE: [WSG] Site Check / Improvements

[Michael Andrews]

Hi Sarah ,
Nice site. Just had a quick look and the only thing I picked was no-text 
re-sizing in IE6. Have you tried using "ems".
Michael


From: "Sarah Peeke (XERT)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [WSG] Site Check / Improvements
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 11:50:09 +1000
I would appreciate feedback on the following (personal) site (please 
disregard previous posting):

http://www.bureke.com.au/  (temporary address)
The main CSS page is at:
http://www.bureke.com.au/styles/global.css
The site is valid XHTML 1.0 and CSS.
I have checked on WIN IE 5.0 and 6, Safari 1.2.2 (Mac), Netscape 7.1 (Mac), 
IE 5.2 (Mac), Opera 7.5 (Mac), Firefox 0.8 (Mac).

A couple of questions:
1.  Is there a work around to prevent the left hand navigation from 
indenting in WIN IE 5.0 (I want to retain the border-bottom, but I think 
this is why the browser shows the links indented) ? I notice Eric Meyer's 
example
( http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/vertical06.htm also has the same 
quirk in IE 5.0).

2. In IE 5.0 the bottom of #content does not continue to the footer. Any 
ideas?

3. In both IE 5.0 and 6 there seems to be a padding-left problem with the 
#rightnav - ie too much space to the left. Any ideas?

If someone can also check on WIN IE 5.5 and/or any other WIN browsers ???
Any other suggestions for improvements in layout, style sheet formatting, 
usability etc, would be gratefully received. I would like the site to also 
be more accessible - not a great strength of mine, any help here also 
appreciated.

Thanks,
Sarah
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Re: [WSG] IE & ABBR tag

[Luc]

Hello Ian,
  
It was foretold that on 21-6-2004 @ 17:26:04 GMT-0700 (which was
2:26:04 where I live) Ian Main would write:
  


IM> IE windows doesn't support .
IM> Here is a couple of ways to solve the issue.
  
 Thanks Ian. You gotta love IE.
 
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Re: [WSG] IE & ABBR tag

[Ian Main]

Hi Luc,

IE windows doesn't support .
Here is a couple of ways to solve the issue.

http://www.sovavsiti.cz/css/abbr.html
http://www.jasonkarldavis.com/scripts/abbrhack/

Ian
www.e-lusion.com


>  Hello list,
> 
>  Somehow my abbr tag doesn't seem to work in IE. Is it my system or 
is
>  there really something wrong?
> 
>  http://www.dzinelabs.com/projects/newdzine.php
>  
> -- 
> Best regards,
>  Luc
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[WSG] IE & ABBR tag

[Luc]

 Hello list,

 Somehow my abbr tag doesn't seem to work in IE. Is it my system or is
 there really something wrong?

 http://www.dzinelabs.com/projects/newdzine.php
 
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Re: [WSG] Disabilities Survey

[Anders Nawroth]

Philippe Wittenbergh wrote:
One question had me wondering of late: do screen readers read the 
 element in the , do they 'see' this as a link in their 
list ?
Examples:
 

 
I have it implemented at one of my sites [1].

I found this site, using link elements the way you describe and writing 
about it on this page:


I think we're out of luck regaring the screen-readers, as long as they 
are built on top of IE.

/AndersN
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RE: [WSG] Accessibililty and the positioning of navigation

[Nico Morgan]

Thank you all for your comments.

It's interesting to read that everyone has their own slightly
different take on the subject so I will go with the flow and try to
cover as many bases as possible!

Nico
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[WSG] Tim Berners-Lee - Keeping Web Universal

[Tim Shortt]

Thought this might interest the group:
http://www.iht.com/articles/525584.html
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Re: [WSG] font-family support

[Susanne Jaeger]

Lea de Groot schrieb, am 20.06.04 14:54:
But. I had a user mail me telling me that she was using IE 
6.0.2800.1106 and all she could see were big squares instead of text.
So I changed the font-family to 'Times, serif' and she replied that she 
could now read the text.

Does anyone have any pointers on what went wrong here?
I heard about this problem before. IE breaks in some cases with 
"font-family: serif;".
A variant can be found on http://css.nu/pointers/bugs-ie.html
IE 5:
font-family: serif  	
inappropriate font selected as replacement for generic when font size 
changed through UA preferences

I found a possible explanation which sytems might be exposed on 
http://www.dpawson.co.uk/xsl/
"Guy McArthur adds another possibility
This is a weird bug that I encountered a couple of years ago. Check and 
see if you have a font installed called something like "Map Symbols" or 
"MT Map Symbols". For whatever reason, this is classified as a "serif" 
font, and it isn't marked as having an unusual encoding. For whatever 
reason, it comes to the top of the list of serif fonts, and the 
stylesheet for that page just specifies "serif". Map Symbols thus gets 
selected, and renders the page unreadable. The XSL page at the W3C used 
to have this problem, too."

I never heard of problems with sans-serif, anyone else?
Susanne
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Re: [WSG] font-family support

[Philippe Wittenbergh]

On Jun 20, 2004, at 9:54 pm, Lea de Groot wrote:
I designed a site recently, and I put the main content block in serif.
I do not care, I thought, what particular serif this appears in - let
it default to the users chosen serif.
And that 0.1% of users who have actually defined a
preferred, obscure serif may be pleased :)
But. I had a user mail me telling me that she was using IE
6.0.2800.1106 and all she could see were big squares instead of text.
So I changed the font-family to 'Times, serif' and she replied that she
could now read the text.
This has been mentioned on CSS-discuss a few times. It is a bug in IE 
(and me thought 6 was not affected), and as you discovered, explicitly 
stating at least one font-family fixes the problem.
Does anyone have any pointers on what went wrong here?
I am most confused; I thought it was fine to let the browser default,
but apparently not!
It is IE, eh...
Philippe
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now live : 
code | design | web projects : 
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Re: [WSG] Disabilities Survey (was: Re: Accessibililty and the positioning of navigation)

[Philippe Wittenbergh]

Mordechai Peller wrote:
Before meeting David I always read that navigation should be last I 
nthe
source. I asked David this when he came to talk to the WSG recently 
and he
said emphatically:

"The navigation should go before the content".
This proves once again the difficulty of perfect accessibility. There 
are
personal views as to best practices. I'd go with David's view now as I
respect his knowledge and experience.

It might be worth putting together a bunch of questions and doing our 
own (WSG members) survey of people with assorted disabilities.
One question had me wondering of late: do screen readers read the 
 element in the , do they 'see' this as a link in their 
list ?
Examples:
 

 
I have it implemented at one of my sites [1].

This would probably be a more semantically correct way of doing 'skip 
links' and more - one can build a whole site map this way... Works 
perfectly in Mozilla, Firefox needs the link toolbar extension 
installed. Opera 7.5 see the search link, but misses out on the 
rel="bookmarks" - one needs to install a custom set up (the Moose made 
something like that [2]; I haven't tested it though).
IE win/mac doesn't see those  elements, but there is a plugin 
that can help [3]. Safari currently misses out completely, this might 
change in future versions (hopefully).

(on [1], the accessibility links are also available as a 'skip link' 
list, made visible for keyboard users - using css :focus).

[1] 
[2] 
[3]  windows only.
Philippe
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now live : 
code | design | web projects : 
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Re: [WSG] font-family support

[Justin French]

On 20/06/2004, at 10:54 PM, Lea de Groot wrote:
I designed a site recently, and I put the main content block in serif.
I do not care, I thought, what particular serif this appears in - let
it default to the users chosen serif.
And that 0.1% of users who have actually defined a
preferred, obscure serif may be pleased :)
But. I had a user mail me telling me that she was using IE
6.0.2800.1106 and all she could see were big squares instead of text.
So I changed the font-family to 'Times, serif' and she replied that she
could now read the text.
Does anyone have any pointers on what went wrong here?
I am most confused; I thought it was fine to let the browser default,
but apparently not!
:(
If the default serif font was set to something obscure without most of 
the characters due to someone "playing with the settings" (guess), then 
that's what they'll see.  So "serif" is just as "dangerous" as 
"sans-serif" or nothing, given that it puts the power completely back 
in the user's hands.  They have the power to pick a font they like, but 
they also have the power to select "Zapf Dingbats" and turn your site 
into unusable mush.

When you reverted to "Times, serif" the user was seeing Times, not 
serif.

That's actually the first really good reason I've heard for NOT using 
defaults like {nothing}, "sans-serif", "serif", "fantasy", etc.  Whilst 
you're putting the power back in the user's hands, it may be too much 
power.

Guaranteed, if a user saw a page of Dingbats instead of text, she'd 
blame the web site owner, rather than checking that his/her default 
value for "serif" was set to something reasonable.

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http://indent.com.au
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[WSG] font-family support

[Lea de Groot]

I designed a site recently, and I put the main content block in serif.
I do not care, I thought, what particular serif this appears in - let 
it default to the users chosen serif.
And that 0.1% of users who have actually defined a 
preferred, obscure serif may be pleased :)

But. I had a user mail me telling me that she was using IE 
6.0.2800.1106 and all she could see were big squares instead of text.
So I changed the font-family to 'Times, serif' and she replied that she 
could now read the text.

Does anyone have any pointers on what went wrong here?
I am most confused; I thought it was fine to let the browser default, 
but apparently not!
:(

Lea
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Elysian Systems - I Understand the Internet 
Web Design, Usability, Information Architecture, Search Engine 
Optimisation
Brisbane, Australia
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RE: [WSG] First table-free site - part 2

[Iain Gardiner]

Hi Mary,

I would suggest wrapping the two paragraphs in a division and floating it
right.  So something like:


BABTAC - 
British Association of Beauty Therapy and Cosmetology

8pp A5 membership application brochure. 
BABTAC is a Gloucester-based umbrella organisation for
beauty and holistic therapists.

Etc...

And the CSS:

#descr {
width: px;
float: right;
}

Haven't tested this myself, but it seems logical.  Also, I'm slightly
puzzled by the second brochure image which you've wrapped in a paragraph
tag, but you haven't done so for the first.  I would consider removing that
as it is unnecessary.

Hope this helps,

Iain

P.S. I notice it's a Gloucester company, is that where you are?  It's where
I am, but I often wish I wasn't.  ;)

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Subject: [WSG] First table-free site - part 2


Thanks to the help of other list members, my new website is coming 
along nicely, but now I have another question.

See www.zebragraphics.co.uk/newzebra/pages/brochures/babtaca5.html for 
a sample page from the portfolio section of the site. I have tried and 
failed to come up with a way of putting the caption text to the right 
of the BABTAC image, within the content div. For now, I've put the text 
beneath the navigation buttons in the sidebar div, but I'm not really 
happy with it being there; to the right of the image seems a more 
appropriate place.

So, can anyone tell me how/if I can put the text where I want it and, 
ideally, continue to have the whole page centred within the browser 
window? CSS here:  www.zebragraphics.co.uk/styles/main.css

Thanks,
Mary
www.zebragraphics.co.uk

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[WSG] First table-free site - part 2

[Mary Wright]

Thanks to the help of other list members, my new website is coming 
along nicely, but now I have another question.

See www.zebragraphics.co.uk/newzebra/pages/brochures/babtaca5.html for 
a sample page from the portfolio section of the site. I have tried and 
failed to come up with a way of putting the caption text to the right 
of the BABTAC image, within the content div. For now, I've put the text 
beneath the navigation buttons in the sidebar div, but I'm not really 
happy with it being there; to the right of the image seems a more 
appropriate place.

So, can anyone tell me how/if I can put the text where I want it and, 
ideally, continue to have the whole page centred within the browser 
window? CSS here:  www.zebragraphics.co.uk/styles/main.css

Thanks,
Mary
www.zebragraphics.co.uk
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