Re: [WSG] A California meeting? was Brisbane July Meeting - Report
Krassy wrote: San Diego, CA here...2 hours south of Marina Del Rey. Blimey, you must drive fast. I spent 2 days driving between San Diego and LA. Sure I did stop off on the way, but even so, 2 hours! Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] A California meeting? was Brisbane July Meeting - Report
Maybe I'm missing the joke but yahoo maps shows SD to LA at around 125 miles. Push your ride to 70 mph and it's two hours max, excepting traffic. Sorry if I missed the joke. :-) Rick Faaberg Krassy wrote: San Diego, CA here...2 hours south of Marina Del Rey. Blimey, you must drive fast. I spent 2 days driving between San Diego and LA. Sure I did stop off on the way, but even so, 2 hours! Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] A California meeting? was Brisbane July Meeting - Report
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe I'm missing the joke but yahoo maps shows SD to LA at around 125 miles. Push your ride to 70 mph and it's two hours max, excepting traffic. Sorry if I missed the joke. :-) No Joke. I just honestly thought SD was further away that that. I guess I was probably taking the scenic route and keeping within the 55mph speed limit as well, which would explain why it took me so long. Anyway, sorry for the OT banter. Andy Budd http://www.message.uk.com/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] on holiday summer 2004
2003 - 04 was a very busy year and nearly all my annual leave has accumulated to the end of the year. I will be on leave from 20 July to 31 August. I will not be reading email during this period but will catch up with you in September. This message is an auto-response posted 11 July 2004 to provide early warning! You should receive this message once only. have a nice summer :-) John. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] RTF editor (like SOedit) for Macs?
Check out Editize. It´s working in Safari, IE, Mozilla etc for OS X. http://www.editize.com / Magnus On 2004-07-19, at 07.41, Barry Beattie wrote: hi all is there an RTF editor that can run on a mac? if not in safari, then mozilla for OSX? the flash one kicking around is a bit feature thin thanx barry.b * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] Semantic personal publishing platform with a focus on a esthetics, web standards, and usability
I use Wordpress too on my personal Blog. After doing a lot of testing, I settled on it for it's ease of use and standards compliance. The only thing tricky I have found is that you have to be careful when you cut paste text into a blog entry. If there are any special characters, it will throw off your validation. Will Chatham oOo www.willchatham.com --- -Original Message- From: Neerav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 11:39 PM To: WSG Subject: [WSG] Semantic personal publishing platform with a focus on aesthetics, web standards, and usability I have just setup Wordpress http://wordpress.org/ on the weekend for my new blog at http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ and am very impressed with it WordPress is a state-of-the-art semantic personal publishing platform with a focus on aesthetics, web standards, and usability. * It was really easy to modify the basic template (by Dave Shea?) to integrate it into my own sites layout and colour scheme * the publishing system is easy to use, and * it uses semantically correct XHTML CSS -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27 http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] Mac IE 5.2 and horizontally presented lis
Thanks, Anton. Turned out that the thing that made the difference was giving the lis a width. The problem is that, since I'm using text, the lis don't have a set pixel width. Since all of my text is expressed in ems, I'm working on going back and defining margins and widths for those lis in ems instead of pixels. Thanks for the push in the right direction! scott reston -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Anton Andreasson Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 4:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Mac IE 5.2 and horizontally presented lis I'm running into a problem with the presentation of my primary navigation in Mac IE 5.2. [..] http://www.capstrat.com/development/cs2004/template4.html First, try to use div#navigation ul instead of div#nav-primary ul, if that's what you want to control (at least it becomes much easier to read that way ;) and try to indent your code approprietly. Second, I think that your main problem is the lack of a width attribute to your floats. Also IE5/Mac prefer floated items instead of inlined, but that may vary. Try this first and come back if you still encounter problems. cheers, /Anton -- What your body lacks, your head compensates. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Semantic personal publishing platform with a focus on a esthetics, web standards, and usability
I have coded my own blog. www.neester.com took me about 4 days to et working. now its working great! I have added bbcode to make it simple for me to format. simply a [b] or [i]... URLs are auto converted etc... its perfect for me. i really HATE using pre-written code. I feel like such a script kiddy. No offence to all those script kiddies out there who use wordpress or the like... :) just kidding of course. i mean as much offence as i can :) just joking... :D but yeah. I always try and make my own solution. it takes longer, and isn't always the best. but atleast i know its my work! cheers! Chatham, Will wrote: I use Wordpress too on my personal Blog. After doing a lot of testing, I settled on it for it's ease of use and standards compliance. The only thing tricky I have found is that you have to be careful when you cut paste text into a blog entry. If there are any special characters, it will throw off your validation. Will Chatham oOo www.willchatham.com --- -Original Message- From: Neerav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 11:39 PM To: WSG Subject: [WSG] Semantic personal publishing platform with a focus on aesthetics, web standards, and usability I have just setup Wordpress http://wordpress.org/ on the weekend for my new blog at http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ and am very impressed with it WordPress is a state-of-the-art semantic personal publishing platform with a focus on aesthetics, web standards, and usability. * It was really easy to modify the basic template (by Dave Shea?) to integrate it into my own sites layout and colour scheme * the publishing system is easy to use, and * it uses semantically correct XHTML CSS -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27 http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] A California meeting? was Brisbane July Meeting - Report
On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 09:52:55 -0700, Tricia Fitzgerald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about a more central USA location like Chicago, IL? I suspect we'll end up having a whole bunch of regional meetings if this is going to happen at all. I'm in the Bay Area, California and Sacramento is *just* within reasonable reach to hold an evening meeting, for *some* parts of the Bay Area. San Francisco is more central (indeed, BACFUG - Bay Area ColdFusion User Group - meets in SF and gets folks from Sacramento sometimes even tho' they have their own UG). I can see a Bay Area WSG meeting drawing folks from all over the Bay Area - Sacramento to San Jose and maybe a little further afield. I can also see an Orange County WSG meeting drawing folks from the greater LA area and down as far as San Diego. I don't see folks from the West Coast going to Chicago just for a WSG meeting - a full-blown two day conference maybe, but not just a meeting. Same with the East Coast folks (there should be a good concentration of them to make a 'local' DC-based meeting worthwhile I'd expect). Question to Peter - is the city/state level membership information available in aggregate so we can figure out what might work for regional US meetings? * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] Semantic personal publishing platform with a focus on a esthetics, web standards, and usability
I have coded my own blog. www.neester.com That's nice. But for those of us who don't have time, don't wish to reinvent the wheel, are not necessarily interested in learning that much programming, and wish to support a standards-based open source community effort, packages such as Wordpress are an ideal choice. but yeah. I always try and make my own solution. it takes longer, and isn't always the best. but atleast i know its my work! Did you make your own car too? Just kidding, but not really. Will Chatham Webmaster Ingles Markets ooOo-o 828.669.2941 - ext.534 www.ingles-markets.com -- * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] A California meeting? was Brisbane July Meeting - Report
Being from Boston, I can see attending a New England regional meeting every few months. I noticed people from Massachusetts, VT, CT, and Maine on the list, I cannot see flying to Chicago on a regular basis. Nancy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sean Corfield Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 10:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] A California meeting? was Brisbane July Meeting - Report On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 09:52:55 -0700, Tricia Fitzgerald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about a more central USA location like Chicago, IL? I suspect we'll end up having a whole bunch of regional meetings if this is going to happen at all. I'm in the Bay Area, California and Sacramento is *just* within reasonable reach to hold an evening meeting, for *some* parts of the Bay Area. San Francisco is more central (indeed, BACFUG - Bay Area ColdFusion User Group - meets in SF and gets folks from Sacramento sometimes even tho' they have their own UG). I can see a Bay Area WSG meeting drawing folks from all over the Bay Area - Sacramento to San Jose and maybe a little further afield. I can also see an Orange County WSG meeting drawing folks from the greater LA area and down as far as San Diego. I don't see folks from the West Coast going to Chicago just for a WSG meeting - a full-blown two day conference maybe, but not just a meeting. Same with the East Coast folks (there should be a good concentration of them to make a 'local' DC-based meeting worthwhile I'd expect). Question to Peter - is the city/state level membership information available in aggregate so we can figure out what might work for regional US meetings? * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Re: Does a CSS file load all graphics or only page relevant ones?
Hi all,
Does anyone happen to know exactly when a graphic is loaded from a CSS description?
E.G. Assuming different files for: XHTML and CSS.
XHTML:
Page1.html only uses #bannerpage1
Page2.html only uses #bannerpage2
When Page1 is first loaded it loads the global CSS which contains:
#bannerpage1 {background:url(images/banner.gif) #fff top center}
#bannerpage2 {background:url(images/banner2.gif) #fff top center}
Does the browser (showing Page1.html) load both banners but only displays #bannerpage1?
Or
Does the browser only load the images required to style the current page?
Any help would be appreciated.
mike 2k:)2
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Re: [WSG] Re: Does a CSS file load all graphics or only page relevant ones?
I cannot provide any proof of this.
but I believe it would only load it when its displayed.
the CSS wont parse and execture BANNERPAGE2, unless its caled from
Page2.HTML
I always thought of CSS as a list of SUBROUTINES, and the HTML is the
Class calling the subroutines...
if there is no need to call it.
it wont be run...
therefore images wont be loaded unless needed
although i could be totally wrong!
:)
Mike Foskett wrote:
Hi all,
Does anyone happen to know exactly when a graphic is loaded from a CSS description?
E.G. Assuming different files for: XHTML and CSS.
XHTML:
Page1.html only uses #bannerpage1
Page2.html only uses #bannerpage2
When Page1 is first loaded it loads the global CSS which contains:
#bannerpage1 {background:url(images/banner.gif) #fff top center}
#bannerpage2 {background:url(images/banner2.gif) #fff top center}
Does the browser (showing Page1.html) load both banners but only displays #bannerpage1?
Or
Does the browser only load the images required to style the current page?
Any help would be appreciated.
mike 2k:)2
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RE: [WSG] A California meeting? was Brisbane July Meeting - Report
If there were a california meeting, my vote goes for L.A. Sacramento, is well, Sacramento. Not exactly my idea of a place to visit and spend an extra day. San Francisco is great, but expensive. L.A. is more central, has plenty of room, and can be affordable. Of course, if my job covered the trip I wouldn't mind a trip to SF. I'm in San Diego, which is a great place for a meeting, but too far for our SF and Sacramento(sorry about the above slight) members. L.A. or San Diego might also be better for our Arizona and Nevada people. Ted -Original Message- From: Nancy Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 8:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] A California meeting? was Brisbane July Meeting - Report Being from Boston, I can see attending a New England regional meeting every few months. I noticed people from Massachusetts, VT, CT, and Maine on the list, I cannot see flying to Chicago on a regular basis. Nancy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sean Corfield Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 10:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] A California meeting? was Brisbane July Meeting - Report On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 09:52:55 -0700, Tricia Fitzgerald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about a more central USA location like Chicago, IL? I suspect we'll end up having a whole bunch of regional meetings if this is going to happen at all. I'm in the Bay Area, California and Sacramento is *just* within reasonable reach to hold an evening meeting, for *some* parts of the Bay Area. San Francisco is more central (indeed, BACFUG - Bay Area ColdFusion User Group - meets in SF and gets folks from Sacramento sometimes even tho' they have their own UG). I can see a Bay Area WSG meeting drawing folks from all over the Bay Area - Sacramento to San Jose and maybe a little further afield. I can also see an Orange County WSG meeting drawing folks from the greater LA area and down as far as San Diego. I don't see folks from the West Coast going to Chicago just for a WSG meeting - a full-blown two day conference maybe, but not just a meeting. Same with the East Coast folks (there should be a good concentration of them to make a 'local' DC-based meeting worthwhile I'd expect). Question to Peter - is the city/state level membership information available in aggregate so we can figure out what might work for regional US meetings? * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] A California meeting? was Brisbane July Meeting - Report
I'm in Idaho and San Francisco would get my vote for a California meeting location. On Jul 19, 2004, at 9:34 AM, Ted Drake wrote: If there were a california meeting, my vote goes for L.A. Sacramento, is well, Sacramento. Not exactly my idea of a place to visit and spend an extra day. San Francisco is great, but expensive. L.A. is more central, has plenty of room, and can be affordable. Of course, if my job covered the trip I wouldn't mind a trip to SF. I'm in San Diego, which is a great place for a meeting, but too far for our SF and Sacramento(sorry about the above slight) members. L.A. or San Diego might also be better for our Arizona and Nevada people. Ted -Original Message- From: Nancy Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 8:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] A California meeting? was Brisbane July Meeting - Report Being from Boston, I can see attending a New England regional meeting every few months. I noticed people from Massachusetts, VT, CT, and Maine on the list, I cannot see flying to Chicago on a regular basis. Nancy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sean Corfield Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 10:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] A California meeting? was Brisbane July Meeting - Report On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 09:52:55 -0700, Tricia Fitzgerald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about a more central USA location like Chicago, IL? I suspect we'll end up having a whole bunch of regional meetings if this is going to happen at all. I'm in the Bay Area, California and Sacramento is *just* within reasonable reach to hold an evening meeting, for *some* parts of the Bay Area. San Francisco is more central (indeed, BACFUG - Bay Area ColdFusion User Group - meets in SF and gets folks from Sacramento sometimes even tho' they have their own UG). I can see a Bay Area WSG meeting drawing folks from all over the Bay Area - Sacramento to San Jose and maybe a little further afield. I can also see an Orange County WSG meeting drawing folks from the greater LA area and down as far as San Diego. I don't see folks from the West Coast going to Chicago just for a WSG meeting - a full-blown two day conference maybe, but not just a meeting. Same with the East Coast folks (there should be a good concentration of them to make a 'local' DC-based meeting worthwhile I'd expect). Question to Peter - is the city/state level membership information available in aggregate so we can figure out what might work for regional US meetings? * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] A California meeting? was Brisbane July Meeting - Repor t
Title: RE: [WSG] A California meeting? was Brisbane July Meeting - Report Now that's not very nice. Sacramento has lots to offer and is close to Folsom Lake, Lake Tahoe, lots of national forests and state parks, has the best farmer's markets in the state, doesn't have the traffic and congestion problems, everything is reasonably priced, etc., etc., etc. L.A. on the other hand.. well I'll be polite and "not go there". Judging from the locations of the people on the list, it is probably too soon (as in not enough members) to start planning CA meetings since there'd need to be several "regional" ones because of the size of the state. I'd be willing to host a meeting at my place, except I'd probably be too inconvenient a location (Shingle Springs - above Sacramento and below Lake Tahoe.) It's like pulling teeth though to get me to go to southern CA. Susan -Original Message- From: Ted Drake [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 9:35 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] A California meeting? was Brisbane July Meeting - Report If there were a california meeting, my vote goes for L.A. Sacramento, is well, Sacramento. Not exactly my idea of a place to visit and spend an extra day. San Francisco is great, but expensive. L.A. is more central, has plenty of room, and can be affordable. Of course, if my job covered the trip I wouldn't mind a trip to SF. I'm in San Diego, which is a great place for a meeting, but too far for our SF and Sacramento(sorry about the above slight) members. L.A. or San Diego might also be better for our Arizona and Nevada people. Ted -Original Message- From: Nancy Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 8:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] A California meeting? was Brisbane July Meeting - Report Being from Boston, I can see attending a New England regional meeting every few months. I noticed people from Massachusetts, VT, CT, and Maine on the list, I cannot see flying to Chicago on a regular basis. Nancy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Sean Corfield Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 10:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] A California meeting? was Brisbane July Meeting - Report On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 09:52:55 -0700, Tricia Fitzgerald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about a more central USA location like Chicago, IL? I suspect we'll end up having a whole bunch of regional meetings if this is going to happen at all. I'm in the Bay Area, California and Sacramento is *just* within reasonable reach to hold an evening meeting, for *some* parts of the Bay Area. San Francisco is more central (indeed, BACFUG - Bay Area ColdFusion User Group - meets in SF and gets folks from Sacramento sometimes even tho' they have their own UG). I can see a Bay Area WSG meeting drawing folks from all over the Bay Area - Sacramento to San Jose and maybe a little further afield. I can also see an Orange County WSG meeting drawing folks from the greater LA area and down as far as San Diego. I don't see folks from the West Coast going to Chicago just for a WSG meeting - a full-blown two day conference maybe, but not just a meeting. Same with the East Coast folks (there should be a good concentration of them to make a 'local' DC-based meeting worthwhile I'd expect). Question to Peter - is the city/state level membership information available in aggregate so we can figure out what might work for regional US meetings? * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Re: Does a CSS file load all graphics or only page relevant ones?
Mike, I believe you're mixing your metaphors here. CSS are descriptions, as you say. Therefor, CSS contains no images. It merely identifies the images which will be utilized in particular situations and references their location so the browser can go and find the particular image being called. The image is called by the html of a separate document. All the best, Kimi At 4:42 PM +0100 7/19/04, Mike Foskett wrote: Does anyone happen to know exactly when a graphic is loaded from a CSS description? -- Kim Brooks Wei kimbwei.com V +1. 201.475.1854 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Re: Does a CSS file load all graphics or only page relevant ones?
On 20/07/2004, at 2:03 AM, Chris Stratford wrote: I cannot provide any proof of this. but I believe it would only load it when its displayed. the CSS wont parse and execture BANNERPAGE2, unless its caled from Page2.HTML I too believe this is the way it's *intended* to work, although there are some browsers out there which misbehave. Safari 1.0 was one such browser (Mac OS X Jaguar), downloading all background images at once, but it was fixed in 1.1 or 1.2 (Panther), so it now only downloads the images as needed. --- Justin French http://indent.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] Re: Does a CSS file load all graphics or only page relevant ones?
Surely you can just test by pointing a CSS file at some kind of simple server that echos to the console whenever it gets a request. If you ran it on your local machine it should be reasonably accurate. I've got a little java HTTP mirror server thing you could use actually. http://www.danwebb.net/code/mirror2.jar To use it download that then set it running on your computer by copying it somewhere on your hard drive then typing into your command prompt or shell or whatever: java -jar mirror2.jar 8000 Where 8000 is the port number you want to run it on. Then go through your CSS and change your background image references to http://localhost:8000/nameofyourimage.gif. Now if you try to open your page the CSS will try to get the image from the mirror server and the mirror server will simply output the request to your console so you'll be able to see what order and when the images are requested in on various browsers. Hope that makes sense. I think it's definitely worth an investigation as understanding this could help us optimize pages more. There's not too much point in theorizing what you think the browser will do - it's time to put it to the test! If someone wants to put a test page together (with images in the CSS that point to http://localhost:8000/whatever) then I'm up for doing a bit of testing. Cheers, Dan W -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Justin French Sent: 19 July 2004 19:58 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Re: Does a CSS file load all graphics or only page relevant ones? On 20/07/2004, at 2:03 AM, Chris Stratford wrote: I cannot provide any proof of this. but I believe it would only load it when its displayed. the CSS wont parse and execture BANNERPAGE2, unless its caled from Page2.HTML I too believe this is the way it's *intended* to work, although there are some browsers out there which misbehave. Safari 1.0 was one such browser (Mac OS X Jaguar), downloading all background images at once, but it was fixed in 1.1 or 1.2 (Panther), so it now only downloads the images as needed. --- Justin French http://indent.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Re: Does a CSS file load all graphics or only page relevant ones?
On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:42:18 +0100, Mike Foskett wrote: Does anyone happen to know exactly when a graphic is loaded from a CSS description? Its browser dependent - each one will be different. I'm told that Safari 1.0 grabbed all the images in the css when the file was loaded, but this has been changed in later versions. It would be fairly simple to test for various browsers. warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems - I Understand the Internet http://elysiansystems.com/ Web Design, Usability, Information Architecture, Search Engine Optimisation Brisbane, Australia * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Ten quick tests to check your web site for accessibility
Ten quick tests to check your web site for accessibility http://www.accessify.com/tutorials/ten-quick-tests.asp Russ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] A California meeting? was Brisbane July Meeting - Report
Sean Corfield wrote: Question to Peter - is the city/state level membership information available in aggregate so we can figure out what might work for regional US meetings? Well, I wouldn't dare speak for Peter, but the member location list he indicated previously in this discussion - http://webstandardsgroup.org/manage/login_view.cfm? - is ordered from right to left. Therefore everyone is grouped according to country, then state, and then city For example, there are around 30 members in California - 4 listed in San Diego, 3 in LA, 3 in Sacramento, 3 in San Francisco and various others. So if, as someone suggested (Peter again?), everyone were to put the closest major city they are willing to attend a meeting at, those numbers might increase a bit Cheers, Lachlan * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] aDesigner
Has anyone had a chance to try IBM's aDesigner, and if so, what are your thoughts? Tim * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Underlining tabbed to links
Hi all, I have been trying to get a link to underline and change colour when tabbed to. I succeeded in getting the link to change colour when tabbed over, but try as I might, it won't underline it. I've tried all the normal methods with text-decoration:underline and different link pseudo class orders. Also, I can't find a way of removing the bold when tabbed over. Has anyone got this to work in any browser? Any advice would be much appreciated. regards, Ben * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Underlining tabbed to links
Hi Ben, Please send the list a sample url so that people can see exactly what you have done and will then be better informed to help you. Russ Hi all, I have been trying to get a link to underline and change colour when tabbed to. I succeeded in getting the link to change colour when tabbed over, but try as I might, it won't underline it. I've tried all the normal methods with text-decoration:underline and different link pseudo class orders. Also, I can't find a way of removing the bold when tabbed over. Has anyone got this to work in any browser? Any advice would be much appreciated. regards, Ben * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Underlining tabbed to links
I believe it only really works in IE.
and only when TABBING forward, not backward (SHIFT+TAB)
You need to set the:
a:active
{
}
atrribute
russ - maxdesign wrote:
Hi Ben,
Please send the list a sample url so that people can see exactly what you
have done and will then be better informed to help you.
Russ
Hi all,
I have been trying to get a link to underline and change colour when
tabbed to. I succeeded in getting the link to change colour when tabbed
over, but try as I might, it won't underline it. I've tried all the
normal methods with text-decoration:underline and different link pseudo
class orders. Also, I can't find a way of removing the bold when tabbed
over.
Has anyone got this to work in any browser?
Any advice would be much appreciated.
regards,
Ben
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Re: [WSG] Underlining tabbed to links
This method works in IE 6/ netscape 7/ mozilla 1.3 (requires use of javascript event handlers) a href=contrast.html style=text-decoration:none; onfocus=this.style.textDecoration='underline' onblur=this.style.textDecoration='none'Reduced Contrast Simulation/a | a href=test.html style=text-decoration:none; onfocus=this.style.textDecoration='underline' onblur=this.style.textDecoration='none'Untitled Document/a | a href=testform.html style=text-decoration:none; onfocus=this.style.textDecoration='underline' onblur=this.style.textDecoration='none'Need Money - Finance Lease Calculator/a note: the inline styles etc. are only for demonstation purposes. with regards Steven Faulkner Web Accessibility Consultant National Information Library Service (NILS) 454 Glenferrie Road Kooyong Victoria 3144 Phone: (613) 9864 9281 Fax: (613) 9864 9210 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] National Information Library Service A subsidiary of RBS.RVIB.VAF Ltd. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
