RE: [WSG] Why won't my background images show up in IE?
Bellamy wrote: http://216.119.123.23/index.cfm?fuseaction=catalogue.ListProductsID=2c at egory=Subcategory Have a look, tell me what you see. If you can see them fine, then I think I might just go quietly insane... ;) There was definitely a problem in IE6 the whole navigation was invisible here, removing the position:relative from the #mainPanel style (in sample.css) brought the menu back into view Regards Jason * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] Titles Acronyms Abbr etc
G'day Looks distinctly like a case of totally unnecessary to me but we have a difference of opinion in the office... Even if it was written as VDS, it would be an abbr(eviation): abbr title=Vent Door SystemsVDS/abbr A couple of other points to consider: 1. Is the use of h5 appropriate here within the document structure, or are you only using it to format the text? 2. Most browsers can now use id for internal anchors, so the a name... might be unnecessary. If you're not linking to the anchor, and it's not a heading for a section, I'd just write: pVent Door Systems/p If h5 is the appropriate heading level and you do want to link to it internally, I would write it like this: h5 id=ventdoorVent Door Systems/h5 Regards -- Bert Doorn, Better Web Design www.betterwebdesign.com.au Fast-loading, user-friendly websites --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.725 / Virus Database: 480 - Release Date: 19/07/2004 ** Scanned by eScan Anti-Virus and Content Security Software. Visit http://www.mwti.net for more info on eScan and MailScan. ** * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Titles Acronyms Abbr etc
Wonderful...thanks to you all... :o) Jackie Reid - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Titles Acronyms Abbr etc Shortened forms on the Web - Abbreviations, Contractions, Acronyms, Initialisms, Symbols and other things. http://www.nils.org.au/ais/web/resources/ozewai2003/short_forms.htm with regards Steven Faulkner Web Accessibility Consultant National Information Library Service (NILS) 454 Glenferrie Road Kooyong Victoria 3144 Phone: (613) 9864 9281 Fax: (613) 9864 9210 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] National Information Library Service A subsidiary of RBS.RVIB.VAF Ltd. Jackie Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] e.com.aucc: Sent by: Subject: [WSG] Titles Acronyms Abbr etc [EMAIL PROTECTED] group.org 21/07/2004 03:36 PM Please respond to wsg Hi all Confusion is setting in.is the following piece of code correct or not... h5a name=ventdoor/aacronym title=Vent Door SystemsVent Door Systems/acronym/h5 Looks distinctly like a case of totally unnecessary to me but we have a difference of opinion in the office...so thought i should check before i go through and start removing all the offending stuff that has been inserted into my code in my absence. Have looked online to find out when and how to use titles etc but cant find anything clear and precise so would appreciate someone pointing me to a resource in relation to abbr, acronyms and titles etc Thanks heaps Jackie Reid * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Re:
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RE: [WSG] Why won't my background images show up in IE?
Hmm... Thanks, that did seem to make a difference. At any rate, the images are showing up. But instead of tiling nicely across the page, they're showing one to a line and spreading over the whole width of the panel. I've had a look, and I'm not sure how to fix that. (It still works fine in Moz) The styles for the tabs are in the sheet nav_tabs.css if you want to take a look. Thanks, Seona. Quoting Jason Turnbull [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Bellamy wrote: http://216.119.123.23/index.cfm?fuseaction=catalogue.ListProductsID=2c at egory=Subcategory Have a look, tell me what you see. If you can see them fine, then I think I might just go quietly insane... ;) There was definitely a problem in IE6 the whole navigation was invisible here, removing the position:relative from the #mainPanel style (in sample.css) brought the menu back into view Regards Jason * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Re:
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RE: [WSG] Why won't my background images show up in IE?
Seona Bellamy wrote:
Hmm... Thanks, that did seem to make a difference. At any rate, the
images
are showing up.
But instead of tiling nicely across the page, they're showing one to
a line and spreading over the whole width of the panel. I've had a
look,
and I'm not sure how to fix that. (It still works fine in Moz)
In your nav_main.css you have
HTML UL LI {
FLOAT: left; HEIGHT: 1%
}
HTML UL LI A {
HEIGHT: 1%
}
Add the #navbar selector in front of these styles, as you have done with
the others in this css file
Using height:1% is usually a workaround for IE bugs so you might want to
hide them from other browsers
Regards
Jason
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RE: [WSG] Why won't my background images show up in IE?
Aha! Thank you so much, that's fixed the problem nicely. This is what happens
when you work from two different tutorials in two different files - you lose
track of what changes are going to affect something else. :)
The tabs are now behaving themselves nicely, and so is my main navigation (I think).
As far as hiding from other browsers, I was aware that it was hidden from IE/Mac
by the commented backslash (that's what the tutorial said, anyway) but is there
a more effective way of hiding it from all the browsers that we don't want to
see it?
Thanks for your help.
Cheers,
Seona.
Quoting Jason Turnbull [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Seona Bellamy wrote:
Hmm... Thanks, that did seem to make a difference. At any rate, the
images
are showing up.
But instead of tiling nicely across the page, they're showing one to
a line and spreading over the whole width of the panel. I've had a
look,
and I'm not sure how to fix that. (It still works fine in Moz)
In your nav_main.css you have
HTML UL LI {
FLOAT: left; HEIGHT: 1%
}
HTML UL LI A {
HEIGHT: 1%
}
Add the #navbar selector in front of these styles, as you have done with
the others in this css file
Using height:1% is usually a workaround for IE bugs so you might want to
hide them from other browsers
Regards
Jason
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[WSG] IE/Mac Floats right
Hi Folks, Just when I thought everything was fine, my site (http://www.navmedia.com/books/) messes up in IE/Mac. I used Dan Cederholm's faux columns and created a main content and a right sidebar. It works fine (http://www.navmedia.com/) until I have images with float:left inside the main content area. When I do, the content area decides to move itself into the sidebar. The CSS file is at http://navmedia.com/css/screen.css Works ok in Mozilla and IE/PC. What's wrong? Lucian tribolum.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] Why won't my background images show up in IE?
Seona Bellamy wrote: As far as hiding from other browsers, I was aware that it was hidden from IE/Mac by the commented backslash (that's what the tutorial said, anyway) but is there a more effective way of hiding it from all the browsers that we don't want to see it? My apologies, saved the page in IE and it removed all comments Another way to feed styles to IE only is using conditional comments http://www.quirksmode.org/css/condcom.html This is the preferred method by many others on this list, as it allows easier maintenance in the future and keeps your main style sheets clean. Regards Jason * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] Why won't my background images show up in IE?
No probs. :) Thanks for the tip, I'll have to have a look at that one. And thanks for all your help this afternoon. It's been really appreciated. You've saved me hours of work and a head of hair. ;) Cheers, Seona. Quoting Jason Turnbull [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Seona Bellamy wrote: As far as hiding from other browsers, I was aware that it was hidden from IE/Mac by the commented backslash (that's what the tutorial said, anyway) but is there a more effective way of hiding it from all the browsers that we don't want to see it? My apologies, saved the page in IE and it removed all comments Another way to feed styles to IE only is using conditional comments http://www.quirksmode.org/css/condcom.html This is the preferred method by many others on this list, as it allows easier maintenance in the future and keeps your main style sheets clean. Regards Jason * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Is Mac IE 5 Support It ?
http://photomatt.net/2004/07/16/mac-ie/ -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27 http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] A California meeting? was Brisbane July Meeting - Repor t
Susan, So nice of you to offer to host a meeting. Shingle Springs is gorgeous! Lucky you living there! I'm in the Sacramento area, so I'd be fine meeting in Shingle Springs, Sacramento, or the San Francisco area. I also agree that due to California's size that regional meetings may be better rather than trying to get everyone from northern and southern areas together. Warmly, Shirley -- Shirley E. Kaiser, M.A., SKDesigns mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Website Design, Development http://skdesigns.com/ Brainstorms and Raves http://brainstormsandraves.com/ WaSP Steering Committee http://webstandards.org/ At 10:10 AM 7/19/2004, Grossman, Susan typed: Judging from the locations of the people on the list, it is probably too soon (as in not enough members) to start planning CA meetings since there'd need to be several regional ones because of the size of the state. I'd be willing to host a meeting at my place, except I'd probably be too inconvenient a location (Shingle Springs - above Sacramento and below Lake Tahoe.) It's like pulling teeth though to get me to go to southern CA. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Is Mac IE 5 Support (Worth) It ?
On Wednesday, Jul 21, 2004, at 18:21 Australia/Sydney, Neerav wrote: http://photomatt.net/2004/07/16/mac-ie/ Current stats from Apple indicate that around 50% of Mac users worldwide have made the move to OSX. The other half - still on OS9.x - are very likely to be using IE5. Even some OSX users still do - I have one client on OSX whose browser is IE5; when I suggested she use Safari her reaction was, Safari? What's that? She had also not even heard of Opera, or Firefox. Remember that few people are as 'browser-aware' as we developers. Most people just want to get on with their lives and businesses. The technology they use to do so should be, ideally for them, transparent. So for now, yes, I test and hack where necessary for IE5. To not do so is to effectively replace the question with 'Is Mac support worth it?' IE5.x/Win probably returns similar stats to IE/Mac in most site logs. Do we ignore it as a target browser, too? Nick ___ Omnivision. Websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] IE/Mac Floats right
Thanks Philippe and Nick. Your advice and resources were invaluable. Lucian On Jul 21, 2004, at 5:29 PM, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: On Jul 21, 2004, at 5:00 pm, Lucian Teo wrote: Just when I thought everything was fine, my site (http://www.navmedia.com/books/) messes up in IE/Mac. I used Dan Cederholm's faux columns and created a main content and a right sidebar. It works fine (http://www.navmedia.com/) until I have images with float:left inside the main content area. When I do, the content area decides to move itself into the sidebar. The CSS file is at http://navmedia.com/css/screen.css You'll need to clear the #subnav, (in which case you should lose the width declaration on #content, IE mac doesn't like to be overconstrained by width. Or float (left) the #content. Philippe ---/--- Philippe Wittenbergh now live : http://emps.l-c-n.com/ code | design | web projects : http://www.l-c-n.com/ IE5 Mac bugs and oddities : http://www.l-c-n.com/IE5tests/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Is Mac IE 5 Support (Worth) It ?
Remember that few people are as 'browser-aware' as we developers. Most people just want to get on with their lives and businesses. The technology they use to do so should be, ideally for them, transparent. So for now, yes, I test and hack where necessary for IE5. To not do so is to effectively replace the question with 'Is Mac support worth it?' IE5.x/Win probably returns similar stats to IE/Mac in most site logs. Do we ignore it as a target browser, too? Nick Up until very recently even as an OSX convert, I was still using IE. Although I still use IE, I also use Safari and Firefox (rapidly becoming my favorite). * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] About the standard Price for our website design .
Hey,all : Just likeevery one inour group,I am one ofGraphic web designer, workinfreelance. I have oneproblem need to ask the help : About the Price standardfor ourwebsite design . Like we know everybody, Design one website from begin and end, took us so much time, and idea. because one progetto like website, it is not only to know how use the Dreamwear, o CSS o _javascript_ ... There have more about the Creativity, so always took us so much think and time. So for the price it make me onebig stress. I don't know which way can make balance between us and client. Pls if somebody can help me to make easy with my work.Thanks so much ! Best regards Ai Ling . Ai Ling CAIGrafica arte Web Design .personal website: www.lingart.com .news - web design gallery. ( 2004 )1. www.patt.tn.it2. www.cemiat.com 3. www.ottomani.it (prossimamente)4. www.aic.trentino.it/index.htm .personal email . [EMAIL PROTECTED] .works email . [EMAIL PROTECTED] |arte nella vita' - Original Message - From: Geoff Deering To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 6:49 PM Subject: RE: [WSG] WAI: successful Australian (or global) examples I have, but they have been when working for companies, and often only a section of a large site. Here's a few people who do actually work in this area, tendering for and delivering WAI sites for Government. Try contacting them directly. I'm sure they would be willing to help. Sandra Vassallo tel: (02) 9810 2216mob: 0414 765 881 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] e-bility web: http://www.e-bility.com Inclusive IT: http://www.inclusiveit.com.au/ Gian Sampson-Wild http://www.purpletop.com.au/ Also Andrew Arch and Brian Hardy from (contact details at the bottom of the second link) http://www.visionaustralia.org.au/ http://www.visionaustralia.org.au/webaccessibility/workshops/ -Original Message-From: Ben WebsterSent: Thursday, 8 July 2004 5:18 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [WSG] WAI: successful Australian (or global) examples Hey there crew, I'm putting in a tender for some government work and one of the requirements is some successful WAI sites that I've been involved in. I've actually not been involved in a single one and I think this requirement is a little stringent. Has anyone out there been involved in a successful example? It doesn't have to be Australian even... I just need some examples (or lack of) so I can point out to them that the requirement is a little harsh. A bientot, Benvolio Ben Webster --Conversant Studios[EMAIL PROTECTED]www.conversantstudios.com.au
Re: [WSG] About the standard Price for our website design .
Call me overly cautious, but I don't think this is a topic for discussion... http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Acollusion Patrick H. Lauke __re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively. [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.]http://www.splintered.co.uk | http://www.photographia.co.uk | http://redux.deviantart.com
Re: [WSG] The best way to make a tabbed menu with a dynamic number of items?
Thanks Mordechai. I played around with it a bit and got it so that it doesn't seem to work too badly. Is there a way of centring a set of floated items? I think it would look better if the second line only has a couple of items if they were all centred. I'm guessing that putting the whole lot of them into a div will probably come into it somewhere, but what do I do to the div? Cheers, Seona. Quoting Mordechai Peller [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Seona Bellamy wrote: I'm wanting to make a tabbed menu like the one suggested in ALA's Sliding Doors I II. All well and good, but the menu will be dynamically generated and won't have a fixed number of items - from page to page it will differ. There could be as few as four or as many as 12. Therefore, I need a way to make sure that if there's more than will fit across the page, it will start a new line of tabs which will nestle in under the old ones. When the next floated element in a series doesn't have enough room, it automatically starts on a new line. If you want to have more control, you have a problem. You would need to use JavaScript because the font size in pixels isn't known by the server, and it is subject to change by the user. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] technique of converting to tablefree layout
Lea de Groot wrote: What are people's preferred techniques for 'screen scraping' existing sites to get the text from a tag-soup table layout? When a page has copious links and such, simply copying the text from the browser doesn't always give enough content to be a useful quick method. I do the same as Patrick. The regular expressions in DWMX 2004 are really powerful - once you work out what you're doing. The Find Replace is the sole reason I use DW over any other text editor - given that I handcode only Cheers, Lachlan * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Comment syntax in external javascript files?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: script type=text/javascript src=thing.js/script I do it as per Dan's example above. It validates as XHTML 1.0 Strict and I haven't identified any problems with it Cheers, Lachlan * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] technique of converting to tablefree layout
Hi Lea, What are people's preferred techniques for 'screen scraping' existing sites to get the text from a tag-soup table layout? $ lynx --dump url works wonders if you have easy access to lynx (and the site that you're scraping doesn't have too horrible a structure :). Cheers, Andrew * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Comment syntax in external javascript files?
Just a quick related question, but when you put your javascript into an external file, do you need to put the script tags into the file as well? Or do you just have the code in there and then call it in via the script tag below? Cheers, Seona. Quoting Lachlan Hardy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: script type=text/javascript src=thing.js/script I do it as per Dan's example above. It validates as XHTML 1.0 Strict and I haven't identified any problems with it Cheers, Lachlan * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Comment syntax in external javascript files?
Of course you don't want to have the script tag in the external js file. script is an (x)html tag, so it does not belong in a text/javascript file. Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively. [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] http://www.splintered.co.uk | http://www.photographia.co.uk | http://redux.deviantart.com - Original Message - From: Seona Bellamy To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 12:47 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Comment syntax in external javascript files? Just a quick related question, but when you put your javascript into an external file, do you need to put the script tags into the file as well? Or do you just have the code in there and then call it in via the script tag below? Cheers, Seona. Quoting Lachlan Hardy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: script type=text/javascript src=thing.js/script I do it as per Dan's example above. It validates as XHTML 1.0 Strict and I haven't identified any problems with it Cheers, Lachlan * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Comment syntax in external javascript files?
Thanks. I thought that might have been the case, but I wasn't sure so it never hurts to check. Cheers, Seona. Quoting Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Of course you don't want to have the script tag in the external js file. script is an (x)html tag, so it does not belong in a text/javascript file. Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively. [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] http://www.splintered.co.uk | http://www.photographia.co.uk | http://redux.deviantart.com - Original Message - From: Seona Bellamy To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 12:47 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Comment syntax in external javascript files? Just a quick related question, but when you put your javascript into an external file, do you need to put the script tags into the file as well? Or do you just have the code in there and then call it in via the script tag below? Cheers, Seona. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] About the standard Price for our website design .
While in some countries it imay be considered illegal to even discuss prices for services, unless laws have changed in the last few years it is not illegal in Australia or the EU. Actual price fixing may be, but professionals discussing how to work out what to charge and what to charge for is not ilegal. As long as we do not make an agreement to fix prices this discussion could be useful to some members. However even as I am writing this I am realising that it is off topic entirely. I am still going to post this because I just want to point out that even if you do live in the USA you can still have some discussion on what to charge, or at least how to charge (as in per hour vs. per project... expenses etc). Just be careful you don't become too specific. s Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Call me overly cautious, but I don't think this is a topic for discussion... http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Acollusion Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively. [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] http://www.splintered.co.uk | http://www.photographia.co.uk | http://redux.deviantart.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] About the standard Price for our website design .
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Call me overly cautious, but I don't think this is a topic for discussion... http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Acollusion You're overly cautious. There's a huge difference between discussing what goes into setting a price or expressing opinion on what is a valid price, and collusion. Besides, even if a few designers/developers try to fix prices, it won't work; there's too much competition. Price fixing is only relevant when consumers are effected by impeding the free market. Another difference is that the question is what people are charging, not what they should charge. To answer that question, there are no real standards which I'm aware of. What you need to ask yourself is what is your time worth. And don't forget to include the percentage of your time spent off the clock doing skills development (such as reading this list), sales and marketing, and administration. What the market is will to pay and what it expects to pay are important, too. I have a friend who's a lawyer. When he first started out he was charging low prices. He soon realized that by raising his prices he would get more business because people had expectations of what a skilled lawyer charges, a one who charges less mustn't be that good. The same is sometimes true for us, except that often people don't understand the difference between a skilled professional and a high school kid who can hack out some HTML, or worse, they think they understand all there is to know and then try to tell us how to do our jobs! * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] About the standard Price for our website design (THREAD CLOSED)
This discussion may be OK or not in certain countries, but it doesn't have much to with web standards. Let's close the thread now please. Guys, feel free to discuss it with each other offlist or in another appropriate forum. Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Call me overly cautious, but I don't think this is a topic for discussion... http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Acollusion You're overly cautious. There's a huge difference between discussing what goes into setting a price or expressing opinion on what is a valid price, and collusion. Besides, even if a few designers/developers try to fix prices, it won't work; there's too much competition. Regards, David McDonald Web Designer http://www.davidmcdonald.org * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] About the standard Price for our website design (THREAD CLOSED)
I didn't think there would be a problem discussing this issue... I was actually quite interested in seeing how you all charge your clients and on what basis. Sometimes I charge a flat fee - kind of a contract. Say - $3000 and I set it all up from start to finish. But two days ago I scored my first per/hour job. Since I am still a student, not even studying anything related to WebDev (Im doign Telecommunications Eng.) Im only charging $30 p/h... Its a very simple website - nothign major, no need for a CMS engine etc... But yeah. Sorry if we aren't meant to discuss this. I thought its appropriate. - Chris Stratford www.neester.com http://images.neester.com David McDonald wrote: This discussion may be OK or not in certain countries, but it doesn't have much to with web standards. Let's close the thread now please. Guys, feel free to discuss it with each other offlist or in another appropriate forum. Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Call me overly cautious, but I don't think this is a topic for discussion... http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Acollusion You're overly cautious. There's a huge difference between discussing what goes into setting a price or expressing opinion on what is a valid price, and collusion. Besides, even if a few designers/developers try to fix prices, it won't work; there's too much competition. Regards, David McDonald Web Designer http://www.davidmcdonald.org * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] technique of converting to tablefree layout
On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 09:18:35 +1000, Lachlan Hardy wrote: I do the same as Patrick. The regular expressions in DWMX 2004 are really powerful - once you work out what you're doing. Yes, once someone said 'regexp' i went Doh! and got on with the job :) What can I say, except I have a headcold? :) Thanks, all Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems - I Understand the Internet http://elysiansystems.com/ Web Design, Usability, Information Architecture, Search Engine Optimisation Brisbane, Australia * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] About the standard Price for our website design .
On 7/21/04 3:42 PM Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out: Call me overly cautious, but I don't think this is a topic for discussion... http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Acollusion I agree, FWIW. Rick * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] technique of converting to tablefree layout
I've mostly used the good old MkI delete key - the most-used key on my keyboard. When I started renovating web sites, and using word docs and FrontPage sites, I tried using automated methods - search and replace and the like - and found there was always something left. A single b or a i somewhere that affected half the remaining page. Or a font tag that didn't exactly match the search criteria so it would be left. Or a table that I really did want kept would be deleted.These fixes I found would often take just as long as going through the page and deleting stuff in the first place. Another way is to select/copy from the rendered page in a browser. That way you only pick up the content if you get the select right, and you don't pick up all the associated table structure. Dreamweaver has powerful search and replace functions. For example, you can have it delete all font tags, regardless of the attributes, or all span tags. And with a single click you can convert the file to XHTML. It'll go through the file closing off tags, fixing case, adding quotes to attributes etc. And Dreamweaver's Word Clean-up function is magic. Watch it reduce a simple word html document of 500 lines to about 50 or fewer with no change in the rendered content! Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lea de Groot Subject: Re: [WSG] technique of converting to tablefree layout [snip] Yes, once someone said 'regexp' i went Doh! and got on with the job :) What can I say, except I have a headcold? :) Thanks, all Lea -- Lea de Groot * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Accessible image rotators
hello, i am using a image rotator php script in the home page of the site. The problem will image rotator scripts either in PHP or Javascript is that, they rotate the images from a particular folder randomly. But when you validate, the image will not have alt tag or a title tag to make it accessible. How do i make that. any ideas. narain R.L. Narayan +91-98401 08007 * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] Accessible image rotators
Instead of having the images pulled randomly from a directory, I would recommend you pull the information from a database or XML file. Then you can better control the accessible elements required. It will save you a major headache attempting any other method. Lee Roberts http://www.roserockdesign.com http://www.applepiecart.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 12:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] Accessible image rotators hello, i am using a image rotator php script in the home page of the site. The problem will image rotator scripts either in PHP or Javascript is that, they rotate the images from a particular folder randomly. But when you validate, the image will not have alt tag or a title tag to make it accessible. How do i make that. any ideas. narain R.L. Narayan +91-98401 08007 * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
