Re: [WSG] ol start attribute deprecated in XHTML 1.0 Strict and up.
I ran into this same problem the other, but forgot to research it. How, then, are we meant to start an ordered list at a number other than 1? -- Cameron Adams W: www.themaninblue.com --- Nick Lo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was looking at some data of the form: AQUACULTURE 1. Scientists: Salmon Hatchery Policy Flawed (USA) 2. Fish Farms Seen Harming Dive Tourism (Malta) 3. Escaped Farmed Salmon Find Home (Alaska) COASTAL DEVELOPMENT 4. Mayor Casts Doubt Over Magnetic Is Report (Great Barrier Reef) 5. Hope for Maldives Rises from the Sea (Maldives) ...and looking at the how of doing that; ol start=4 type stuff and thought I'd check the specs as to how valid this is going forward. As usual the W3C docs were of little immediate help so a Google search turned up this: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/markdown-discuss/2004-March/ 000255.html 1. The Transitional doctypes for HTML 4.01 and XHTML 1.0 support the `start` attribute for `ol`, and a `value` attribute for `li`. You can use them like this: ol start=10 liTen/li liEleven/li li value=20Twenty/li /ol which renders like this: 10. Ten 11. Eleven 20. Twenty 2. The W3C deprecated both of these attributes; thus they're invalid in the Strict doctypes for HTML 4.01 or XHTML 1.0. A lot of experts consider this deprecation, especially the `value` attribute, a very bad decision on the part of the W3C. For example, [Tantek Çelik] [1]. [1]: http://tantek.com/log/2003/01.html#L20030102t0602 The basic idea behind attribute deprecation is that *presentational* attributes have been deprecated, because one should use CSS for presentation styling. But the `value` attribute for list items is not presentational, it specifies important information about the meaning of the list. Now I'm not using XHTML higher than 1.0 Transitional but I thought this was noteworthy ...if it is correct. For any of you using XHTML 1.0 Strict and up, it is possibly something that may influence your decision making. Nick ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Sydney WSG meeting recap
I did a quick write up about it on my blog. http://blog.dalegroup.net/archive/blog/newsid/126 ;) Michael Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] WYSIWYG Editors
I may be missing the whole point of the original need for the WYSIWYG, but what about MM's Contribute 3? It's fairly inexpensive, although stand-alone, but admin's can control what others can do. Might this be of use? Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist mlinc.com Get FireFox http://spreadfirefox.com/community/?q=affiliatesid=0t=1 Michael Kear wrote: You're right about that Justin. Remove some of the features! In fact I spent probably three quarters of my development time on the one I use now (and have to insist users only use IE - I hate that!) on disabling stuff. I want to have my users able to produce nice looking content, but within the parameters of the site design and standards. I don't want them able to use font tags, I don't want them PUTTING EVERYTHING IN CAPS COS ITS BETTER THAT WAY!! (no it isn't!) or changing colours every word, or putting text in gigantic size because they think it'll stand out against the other content. I want them to use only the features I want them to. I found a guy who makes one for ColdFusion only that has a very restricted list of features, and it looks very promising however he has a lot more work to do on making it function properly. But his approach is good. It's small in file size, loads fast, and doesn't have dozens of graphics that have to download like FCKEditor does. When he polishes it up and makes it cross-browser compatible it's going to do me fine. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com .com,.net,.org domains from AUD$20/Year -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Justin French Sent: Friday, 17 September 2004 2:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] WYSIWYG Editors [snip] If that's such a monumental task (it probably is), they should start by removing features, rather than removing support for certain browsers. Rant over :) --- Justin French http://indent.com.au ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Moz vs. FF
Current version of Web Dev extention is incompatible with FF 1.0PR... Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist mlinc.com Get FireFox http://spreadfirefox.com/community/?q=affiliatesid=0t=1 Matt Andrews wrote: ... and, if you're using the Web Developer extension, Firefox has a huge advantage over Mozilla: the Edit CSS feature - a must for any CSS developer! load a page, choose Edit CSS, and a sidebar opens with the CSS files. edit them and see the results *instantly* in the browser. save the CSS files out to disk. bliss :) On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 13:50:22 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: Mozilla has a more mature UI, besides bundling not only mailnews but also IRC chat, address book, and web page composer. Firefox is less mature, but offers more customizability of the UI itself, separate from any extensions you may choose to add. FF, being smaller, runs slightly faster. So, which to pick depends on personal preferences as to look and feel and minor functionality, in addition to whether you need or want the bundled apps. Either way you choose, you'll want the web developer extension: http://extensionroom.mozdev.org/more-info/webdeveloper ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Moz vs. FF
Tom Livingston wrote: Current version of Web Dev extention is incompatible with FF 1.0PR... Rest assured that that is a temporary condition consequent to the youth of that release. -- Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.Psalm 33:12 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Moz vs. FF
[happy dance] Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist mlinc.com Get FireFox http://spreadfirefox.com/community/?q=affiliatesid=0t=1 Dan Webb wrote: It tells you that but it lies. Ive got it working on 1.0PR by just reinstalling it after installing 1.0PR. Quoting Tom Livingston [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Current version of Web Dev extention is incompatible with FF 1.0PR... Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist mlinc.com Get FireFox http://spreadfirefox.com/community/?q=affiliatesid=0t=1 Matt Andrews wrote: ... and, if you're using the Web Developer extension, Firefox has a huge advantage over Mozilla: the Edit CSS feature - a must for any CSS developer! load a page, choose Edit CSS, and a sidebar opens with the CSS files. edit them and see the results *instantly* in the browser. save the CSS files out to disk. bliss :) On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 13:50:22 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: Mozilla has a more mature UI, besides bundling not only mailnews but also IRC chat, address book, and web page composer. Firefox is less mature, but offers more customizability of the UI itself, separate from any extensions you may choose to add. FF, being smaller, runs slightly faster. So, which to pick depends on personal preferences as to look and feel and minor functionality, in addition to whether you need or want the bundled apps. Either way you choose, you'll want the web developer extension: http://extensionroom.mozdev.org/more-info/webdeveloper ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] PNG with alpha trans in IE
Try use this on your tag
In this case, i used on my head content, but you can apply this code
anywhere.
h1{
filter: progid:DXImageTransform.Microsoft.AlphaImageLoader
(src='your.png',sizingMethod='scale');
}
htmlbody h1{ /*Child Selector Hack, esconde do ie*/
background: url(your.png);
}
Genau Lopes Júnior
WebDesigner - bRAZIL mEDIA x
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From: Tom Livingston [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 11:11 AM
Subject: [WSG] PNG with alpha trans in IE
Hi all,
Can someone point me to the fix/hack/patch/code to get PNGs with alpha
transparency to work in IE?
TIA
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Re: [WSG] PNG with alpha trans in IE
2 seconds in google and you could found it yourself... But here you go http://www.koivi.com/ie-png-transparency/ Mark Harwood -- Phunky.co.uk / Zinkmedia.co.uk / Xhtmlandcss.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] PNG with alpha trans in IE
Thanks for the responses,
Mark, I asked a list full of professionals in hopes of finding the best
possible solution and, as I discuss below, help in using it. The method
which I could (and did) find on Google might not be the one most here
would use...
Anyway...
I checked all these example out but am slightly confused about
implementing it. Here is my situation...
I have, inside a ColdFusion include, a logo that appears on every page.
On all pages *except* the home page the logo is clickable as a homepage
link. The logo is in a traditional img tag with an id of #logo.
My CSS is this:
#logo{position:absolute; padding:0; margin:0; top:34px; left:44px;}
I am having trouble implementing the png filter or conditional comment.
So far either nothing changes, or IE6 totally looses any styling after
putting the filter in the sheet. Can anyone help me use this? Also, all
other browsers beside Win IE 5.5+ need to still see the png. I assume
this is the case with these methods...
Offlist responses is fine if you feel the need...
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Daisy wrote:
Mark Harwood WebMail wrote:
2 seconds in google and you could found it yourself...
Yes but it was a useful post to point to the less knowledgeable amongst
us that there is indeed such a thing as getting PNGs with alpha
transparency to work in IE.
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[WSG] the new Kansas City Chiefs web site
If you haven't gotten your daily dose of Zeldman, he's announcing the re-design of the Kansas City Chiefs web site. It includes all of the great css/standards based design we expect from Happy Cogs. However, I have to point out the option of choosing styles. In the right nav, there are three buttons for different styles and two text size options. Check out the third style. It looks like Zeldman went through a victoria's secret catalog, grabbed the bra ads, and turned them into a header image. Now, that is NFL branding! If they look at their stats, how many people do you think will end up with that style? I also love how the bra-girls reflect the wholesome values of the Billy Graham button at the bottom of the page. (non-US people, Billy Graham is one of the old time fill up the stadium for a whopper of a preaching, preacher) This is a nice table design, I like his use of flags to denote injury status http://www.kcchiefs.com/depth_chart/ The store didn't get the full zeldman treatment, at least they were able to make it look consistent. Hopefully this is the next step in the redesign http://store.kcchiefs.com/ I just noticed a nice feature. In the right nav, there are a series of buttons. These buttons are of various sizes, so instead of worrying about sizes and placements, he's putting them in a pre-sized/background applied div. If they are the max size nothing shows, but if they are smaller, they have a nice gradient halo and white border to keep the bar looking consistent. What do you think? Ted ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Moz vs. FF
I agree Patrick, considering there is no proper Active X support on FF1.0PR which means XStandards wouldn't run unless it on the older version. Although they(XStandards) are working on a new verion due in a couple of weeks time which wouldn't need any active X at all. On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 15:10:17 +0100, Patrick Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A bit off topic perhaps, but: I'd suggest always starting with a fresh profile when installing a new version of FF. Export your bookmarks, make a note of any passwords etc you may have, write down which extensions you absolutely need...then download the new version, start it from the command line with firefox.exe -p to force the profile manager, and set up a new virgin profile. What I did when FF1.0PR came out was to keep 0.9 still installed, to use it in the interim period while extensions were being repackaged and updated to work with 1.0PR. I simply had two shortcuts on my desktop, and changed the actual target of the shortcut to load the relevant executable plus selecting the right profile, e.g. C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox 1.0PR\firefox.exe -profile C:\Browser Profiles\Firefox 1.0PR and C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox 0.9\firefox.exe -profile C:\Browser Profiles\Firefox 0.9 Now that 1.0PR has all the extensions I need, and seems to run fairly stable, I deleted FF 0.9 and the related profile. Saves a lot of hassle in the long run...IMHO anyway. Patrick -Original Message- From: Chris Rizzo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 September 2004 14:46 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] Moz vs. FF Reinstalling Web Dev after installing 1.0 PR worked for me too. I found this true of a handful of extensions. Most of the more popular extensions seemed to still work. Try running the extension updates again after the install. Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Webb Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 9:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Moz vs. FF It tells you that but it lies. Ive got it working on 1.0PR by just reinstalling it after installing 1.0PR. Quoting Tom Livingston [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Current version of Web Dev extention is incompatible with FF 1.0PR... Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist mlinc.com Get FireFox http://spreadfirefox.com/community/?q=affiliatesid=0t=1 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Regards, Amit Karmakar http://www.karmakars.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Looking for a good standards compliant wiki
Anybody know of one? Preferably where the user has to login to change the page. joe ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Wrap I say Wrap! Down Boy! good IE dog, here's a biscuit
Hi Everyone.
This started out as a letter asking for help and I ended up solving it in the process
of writing it. This has happened several times this week and rather than adding it to
the dust bin, I thought I'd share the process. Sometimes just writing out your
problem helps you define the situation and figure it out yourself.
The following is the original letter as I had planned to send with the problem.
//-
I can't thank you enough for helping me solve several nagging problems this week.
I've got yet another, probably the last for now, that seems simple enough but I am
losing my sanity over it.
I have images that I would like the text to wrap around. In Mozilla Seakoala (I have
the cool firefox plug-in that changes its name every time I open it), the page
wrapping looks fine. The text wraps around the image and all is happy.
In IE, I have to put the image inside the paragraph tag to get it to wrap and I don't
like this clunky hack.
(http://v4.csatravelprotection.com/)
Here is the source code where I coded it the proper way:
img src=../images/eiffel.jpg width=250 height=165 title=Free quote for quality
travel insurance plans and trip insurance. alt=photo of the Eiffel Tower /
p
It just takes a few seconds to get a a href=/csa/preparequote.do title=Get an
instant, free travel insurance quoteFREE ONLINE QUOTE/a for CSA WebDirectreg;,
the travel insurance plan that protects your travel
investment before and during your vacation#8212;right up to the minute you get back
home!/p
Here are the appropriate styles:
p {margin: 1em 0 1em;padding: 0; text-align: left; width:90%;}
img {border:0;}
#maincontent img {float:right; margin:3px;}
When I view this in mozilla the paragraph wraps nicely but the IE paragraph acts as if
it has cleared and starts after the image.
/
Here comes my thought process!
~~~
I then noticed the paragraph width tag and said to myself:
Could it be the width:90% that is doing it? I added the width to keep the paragraphs
from getting too long.
I then commented out the width and checked, sure enough IE began playing nicely. So,
how do I get the good browsers to show the narrower paragraphs and IE the nicely
floated image?
Before I sent another email to this list asking for the best hack, I cracked open my
more Eric Meyers on CSS book and sure enough in the index was hiding styles from IE
win. Page 52 suggests using the htmlbody selector.
So, I took the width:90% out of the above p style and created a new one:
htmlbody p {width:90%;}
I then tested and so far every thing is hunky dory. http://v4.csatravelprotection.com
Any comments?
Ted
CSA Travel Protection
CSS God (at least that is what my co-workers have begun calling me lately. I prefer
omniscient being) IE5 Mac bugs and oddities : http://www.l-c-n.com/IE5tests/
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Re: [WSG] Moz vs. FF
Am I glad to hear that. I test-drove XStandard, but my browser of choice is FF 0.9. I didn't like being forced to use IE, so that lasted about 10 minutes and I uninstalled XStandard. Otherwise it's a great tool. It's nice to know there will be an Active X-free version out soon. Leslie Riggs Amit Karmakar wrote: I agree Patrick, considering there is no proper Active X support on FF1.0PR which means XStandards wouldn't run unless it on the older version. Although they(XStandards) are working on a new verion due in a couple of weeks time which wouldn't need any active X at all. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Looking for a good standards compliant wiki
Joe Leech wrote: Anybody know of one? Preferably where the user has to login to change the page. http://tavi.sourceforge.net/ Tavi is a extreme-lightweight-wiki. There is no login to change pages as for now. Tavi is written in Php -- it's not very difficult to add password protection or login to edit pages. I'm using the Tavi engine on this site: http://forum-antroposofi.info/ /Anders ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Looking for a good standards compliant wiki
-Original Message- From: Joe Leech Anybody know of one? Preferably where the user has to login to change the page. joe Really depends on what you are looking for, seems to be a few out there. http://wikipedia.sourceforge.net/ but there are some errors in the css, but easily fixed. Geoff ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] standards compliant Knowledgebase system?
Hi, I'm looking for a standards compliant php KB system Thanks http://www.w3planet.info/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Re: Free Editors
It's not entirely Off topic. At the MXDU conference last year, Sean Cornfield who is the Macromedia webmaster, said that they're gradually working towards standards compliance and accessibility. He said they are taking it seriously and whenever they work on a part of the site, they bring it up to more modern standards. But there are more than 40,000 pages on the site, so it's no trivial task. A lot of the pages are rarely visited archived pages, so it's a big question whether it's worth the effort to update some of them. Macromedia are concerned with accessibility issues, and have listened to people who tell them, for example, that flash isn't accessible. In the new FlashMX2004Pro v7.2 just released (that's the development tool), there are improvements specifically to make flash elements accessible. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com .com,.net,.org domains from AUD$20/Year -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Amit Karmakar Sent: Saturday, 18 September 2004 2:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Re: Free Editors And speaking of Macromedia itself how accessible is http://macromedia.com/bin/accessibility.cgi Again no legend no fieldset Sorry this is slightly OT [snip] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Re: Free Editors
I was at a Seminar conducted late last year when Bob Regan was down. http://www.markme.com/accessibility/ That page is the same today as it was then. I did hear the same rant too but sorry to say (while I have nothing against Macromdeia) there focus is not so much accessibility or comparitively less to - lets say, promote Breeze, Contribute, Flex yada yada.. I am not saying they are bad but I have heard too many promises being made. Although, its good to see that Flash has advanced in that content. And again this is not to berate Macromedia. I am sure they are doing a lot of work in related fields. But my take is if they were really that much more into accessibility and really concerned they may have been a smidgen more thoughtful about the top level pages at least. On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 14:43:03 +1000, Michael Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not entirely Off topic. At the MXDU conference last year, Sean Cornfield who is the Macromedia webmaster, said that they're gradually working towards standards compliance and accessibility. He said they are taking it seriously and whenever they work on a part of the site, they bring it up to more modern standards. But there are more than 40,000 pages on the site, so it's no trivial task. A lot of the pages are rarely visited archived pages, so it's a big question whether it's worth the effort to update some of them. Macromedia are concerned with accessibility issues, and have listened to people who tell them, for example, that flash isn't accessible. In the new FlashMX2004Pro v7.2 just released (that's the development tool), there are improvements specifically to make flash elements accessible. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com .com,.net,.org domains from AUD$20/Year -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Amit Karmakar Sent: Saturday, 18 September 2004 2:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Re: Free Editors And speaking of Macromedia itself how accessible is http://macromedia.com/bin/accessibility.cgi Again no legend no fieldset Sorry this is slightly OT [snip] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Regards, Amit Karmakar http://karmakars.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
