Re: CLOSED Re: [WSG] Firefox Promotion
for anything good to spread in a network it takes lots of small voices, not one big one. Nice one Trovester, (though don't forget to sniff for other (not windows) OS's) Sean On 23/10/2004, at 3:53 PM, James Ellis wrote: Offlist please, this has nothing do with the implementation of web standards. Mozilla vs * discussions are best left for places like mozillazine.org. Don't request to keep things like this on the list or your account will be unsubscribed - that's not a threat, we are just trying to keep this list on -topic with a manageable volume of traffic. If you were discussing how you implemented your website to be XHTML 1.0 strict then thats ok. Regards James Trovster wrote: I have started a little site for the promotion of Firefox http://firefox.trovster.com But as you can see it's pretty thin at the moment. I have added my favourite extensions, with links and short descriptions to the customise section, and links to other resources in the links section (funny that!). I am looking for some help in writing some motivational words in the about and why sections. I have outlined some sections I would like in the why section but I would like some help writing it. Also, send me information on more articles and favourite extensions/themes etc. If anyone can help, you can either email me personally or keep it on the list. Thanks Trevor Morris ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Why is one page of several linked to the same stylesheet exhibiting different behaviour?
Thanks, Susan , will correct the errors. Not sure why I am floating the img - it sort of evolved I think. Are you saying I don't need to as it is in a float already? Yes, I think padding is the problem with the overall issue. The previous correct version does have different padding, or rather, padding: 0 ; so at least I have a fall-back position. If I want to keep the larger background image, I will have to dicker with it. Thanks for looking. Susan R. Grossman wrote: also, I'm not sure why you're floating the image div in the left nav which is already floating? Neither one of these is your issue though, I think the problem is a combination of the amount of the padding in #floatimgleft with the increased size of the image, combined with the margin on the p tag without padding set to 0. When I kill the padding and reduce the image width to 60, or remove the border in the P and put in 0 padding it works OK, so you need to play around with those. Susan R. Grossman [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** This message has been processed by Firetrust Benign. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Why is one page of several linked to the same stylesheet exhibiting different behaviour?
I have uploaded a new set of pages www.mwg.green.net.au/testpagesSunday The problem still is that although all pages use the same stylesheet, the left hand sidebar in www.mwg.green.net.au/testpagesSunday/meetings.html is still different from all the rest. I added the same content to the sidebar of www.mwg.green.net.au/testpagesSunday/contactus.html and this displays correctly. So my question still remains - why is one page displaying differently to the rest? Thanks Lyn Patterson wrote: An earlier version of these pages had I think the IE double-margin bug on the left sidebar. I fixed this by adding display: inline to #floatimgleft. All was well until I decided to widen the background image of the sidebar and add a border to it. This did not cause a problem in all the pages except one. Mozilla/Firefox is fine but IE and Opera still show what looks like the double-margin bug on one particular page. As all the pages are linked to the same stylesheet, I thought it must be the content of the sidebar that was causing the problem but I added content to some of the other sidebars and they still remained OK. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** This message has been processed by Firetrust Benign. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Stadards Site Section
Hi, Beginning the redesign for winter, the biggest issue is with creating a standards compliant portfolio section. I dread the use of JS pop up windows, but would like to keep the page count down, what suggestions, or examples are on the menu? Imagination is more important than knowledge. -Albert Einstein Chris Kennon Principal ckimedia (www.ckimedia.com) p: (619)429-3258 f: (619)429-3258 e: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Circle menu
if I have example I would steal their code :-) On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:19:32 -0500, Leslie Riggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings Any idea how to create a circle menu that fit the whole screen with html/css only ?? Do you have an example? Perhaps a site that demonstrates what you're trying to do? Leslie Riggs ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- http://www.W3planet.info/ http://www.EasyHTTP.com/jad/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Circle menu
Ok! but do you have an example in jpeg, gif or png format? can you make such an example and send it to us ? think about it! On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 17:17:52 +0300, Jad Madi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if I have example I would steal their code :-) On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:19:32 -0500, Leslie Riggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings Any idea how to create a circle menu that fit the whole screen with html/css only ?? Do you have an example? Perhaps a site that demonstrates what you're trying to do? Leslie Riggs ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- http://www.W3planet.info/ http://www.EasyHTTP.com/jad/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Atentamente, Jorge Laranjo email [EMAIL PROTECTED] site http://lesi.host.sk/fueg0/ msn [EMAIL PROTECTED] aim [EMAIL PROTECTED] jabber [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Solutions for testing in speech/text readers
fyi... Mac OS 10.4 Tiger, the next release of Apple's operating system, will have VoiceOver, a full-featured screen reader. More info: http://www.apple.com/ca/macosx/tiger/voiceover.html ___ Laura L. Carlson Information Technology Systems and Services University of Minnesota Duluth Duluth, MN 55812-3009 http://www.d.umn.edu/goto/webdesign/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Semantic indentation
What's the recommended practice with indentation? You can use CSS to indent text with padding and whatever else, but that's a pain if you have a sitewide CSS file, and the text to be indented doesn't sit in any defining container --- Example 1: Just the place for a Snark! the Bellman cried, As he landed his crew with care; Supporting each man on the top of the tide By a finger entwined in his hair. may be marked up as a single paragraph (as it corresponds to a single stanza of a poem -- in this case, the first stanza of Louis Carroll's The Hunting of the Snark, just for a random example.) as follows: pJust the place for a Snark! the Bellman cried,br / As he landed his crew with care;br / Supporting each man on the top of the tidebr / By a finger entwined in his hair./p --- As line break tags br / are self-closing elements, I don't *think* it is possible to style with them (e.g. to indent the relevant lines) -- and, even if it were, it would be an ugly solution (assuming I'm even thinking along the right lines, and that it would work at all): --- Example 2: pJust the place for a Snark! the Bellman cried,br class=indent / As he landed his crew with care;br / Supporting each man on the top of the tidebr class=indent / By a finger entwined in his hair./p --- Assuming the style would apply to the following, and not preceding, line. This example is untested, and would most likely not work at all. I'm just thinking out loud. One potential solution (albeit a hideous and bloated one) is simply to use repeated non-breaking space characters: --- Example 3: pJust the place for a Snark! the Bellman cried,br / nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;As he landed his crew with care;br / Supporting each man on the top of the tidebr / nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;By a finger entwined in his hair./p --- but that, of course, probably isn't the most desirable solution. In terms of light markup (but of dubious semantic appropriateness), I've seen definition lists employed to this end quite effectively: --- Example 4: dl ddJust the place for a Snark! the Bellman cried, dl ddAs he landed his crew with care;/dd /dl /dd ddSupporting each man on the top of the tide dl ddBy a finger entwined in his hair./dd /dl /dd /dl This renders without any problems in visual user agents without styling required, and is apparently valid XHTML -- but it seems dubious to me. It appears structurally better, at least to me (my eyes follow the markup flow more easily than the other examples above), but that doesn't deal with the issue of semantics. Is it okay to have untitled definitions? Is it okay to use definition lists like this at all? Or, better still, does someone have another solution which I've missed completely? Thanks in advance, Joshua Street base10solutions Website: http://www.base10solutions.com/ Phone: (02) 9898-0060 Fax: (02) 8572-6021 Mobile: 0425 808 469 E-mails and any attachments sent from base10solutions are to be regarded as confidential. Please do not distribute or publish any of the contents of this e-mail without the senders consent. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by replying to the e-mail, and then delete the message without making copies or using it in any way. Although base10solutions takes precautions to ensure that e-mail sent from our accounts are free of viruses, we encourage recipients to undertake their own virus scan on each e-mail before opening, as base10solutions accepts no responsibility for loss or damage caused by the contents of this e-mail. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Circle menu
http://www.albin.net/CSS/roundedCorners/ could help Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Jorge Laranjo wrote: Ok! but do you have an example in jpeg, gif or png format? can you make such an example and send it to us ? think about it! On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 17:17:52 +0300, Jad Madi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if I have example I would steal their code :-) On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:19:32 -0500, Leslie Riggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings Any idea how to create a circle menu that fit the whole screen with html/css only ?? Do you have an example? Perhaps a site that demonstrates what you're trying to do? Leslie Riggs ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- http://www.W3planet.info/ http://www.EasyHTTP.com/jad/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Semantic indentation
If its a quote like your example, use blockquote/blockquote Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Joshua Street wrote: What's the recommended practice with indentation? You can use CSS to indent text with padding and whatever else, but that's a pain if you have a sitewide CSS file, and the text to be indented doesn't sit in any defining container --- Example 1: Just the place for a Snark! the Bellman cried, As he landed his crew with care; Supporting each man on the top of the tide By a finger entwined in his hair. may be marked up as a single paragraph (as it corresponds to a single stanza of a poem -- in this case, the first stanza of Louis Carroll's The Hunting of the Snark, just for a random example.) as follows: pJust the place for a Snark! the Bellman cried,br / As he landed his crew with care;br / Supporting each man on the top of the tidebr / By a finger entwined in his hair./p --- As line break tags br / are self-closing elements, I don't *think* it is possible to style with them (e.g. to indent the relevant lines) -- and, even if it were, it would be an ugly solution (assuming I'm even thinking along the right lines, and that it would work at all): --- Example 2: pJust the place for a Snark! the Bellman cried,br class=indent / As he landed his crew with care;br / Supporting each man on the top of the tidebr class=indent / By a finger entwined in his hair./p --- Assuming the style would apply to the following, and not preceding, line. This example is untested, and would most likely not work at all. I'm just thinking out loud. One potential solution (albeit a hideous and bloated one) is simply to use repeated non-breaking space characters: --- Example 3: pJust the place for a Snark! the Bellman cried,br / nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;As he landed his crew with care;br / Supporting each man on the top of the tidebr / nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;By a finger entwined in his hair./p --- but that, of course, probably isn't the most desirable solution. In terms of light markup (but of dubious semantic appropriateness), I've seen definition lists employed to this end quite effectively: --- Example 4: dl ddJust the place for a Snark! the Bellman cried, dl ddAs he landed his crew with care;/dd /dl /dd ddSupporting each man on the top of the tide dl ddBy a finger entwined in his hair./dd /dl /dd /dl This renders without any problems in visual user agents without styling required, and is apparently valid XHTML -- but it seems dubious to me. It appears structurally better, at least to me (my eyes follow the markup flow more easily than the other examples above), but that doesn't deal with the issue of semantics. Is it okay to have untitled definitions? Is it okay to use definition lists like this at all? Or, better still, does someone have another solution which I've missed completely? Thanks in advance, Joshua Street base10solutions Website: http://www.base10solutions.com/ Phone: (02) 9898-0060 Fax: (02) 8572-6021 Mobile: 0425 808 469 E-mails and any attachments sent from base10solutions are to be regarded as confidential. Please do not distribute or publish any of the contents of this e-mail without the senders consent. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by replying to the e-mail, and then delete the message without making copies or using it in any way. Although base10solutions takes precautions to ensure that e-mail sent from our accounts are free of viruses, we encourage recipients to undertake their own virus scan on each e-mail before opening, as base10solutions accepts no responsibility for loss or damage caused by the contents of this e-mail. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Why is one page of several linked to the same stylesheet exhibiting different behaviour?
Hi Mike www.mwg.green.net.au/testpagesSaturday Have just re-loaded my preferred version with the wider background image on the left. The entire issue was caused by not having the full doctype on all but one of the pages. There is still a difference in the rendering between IE/Opera and Firefox/Mozilla in that IE puts the textbox in the middle of the sidebar and Firefox puts it a bit more to the left. Either is acceptable so will not worry about it anymore. Thanks so much for bringing up the topic of doctypes! Michael Allan wrote: Hi again Lyn, My apologies - you're right, it was the contact page which was missing the url in the doctype declaration, not the meeting page. A slip of the pen, which I hope you won't hold against me given that I was posting before 7:00am on a Sunday morning :-) The pages will look the same in IE if they reference the same stylesheet *and* are being rendered in the same mode (hence the importance of the url being in or out). I suspect Opera is mimicking this behaviour for compatibility reasons. The link I gave you explains it well and it's a public document (no. 15 in a Google search for html doctype), you just weren't able to access it because somewhere along the line it's had a space introduced into it. Take that out and you won't have any problems. All the best, Mike ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
