[WSG] Drop Down Menu Hack for IE
Hi all, i am working on a drop down menu and can get it working fine in Firefox 1.0 but not in Internet Explorer. I followed the example seen on alistapart here: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/horizdropdowns/ I cannot seem to isolate the IE Hack to just work on my menu DIV, and not work on the whole page. I have put in a sample list in the content DIV of my page, to show the problem. In Firefox, the LI and UL tags are not affected in the content DIV, but in IE, they are. What can i do to fix this? Site: http://www.triplejosh.com/liftshop/index.html CSS: http://www.triplejosh.com/liftshop/styles/global.css Javascript: http://www.triplejosh.com/liftshop/menu.js Any ideas would be greatly appreciated! Cheers, Joshua Leung [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Disjointed Rollovers in css
Hi group i would like to be able to make a disjointed rollover in css, you know rollover the text and the image nearby changes colour or whatever. is there a tutorial out there that anyone has seen or used that may help me achieve this. cheers Jackie
Re: [WSG] Drop Down Menu Hack for IE
G'day I cannot seem to isolate the IE Hack to just work on my menu DIV, and not work on the whole page. Suggest you validate and fix the xhtml, then check for cascading issues. With invalid xhtml it's anyone's guess what a browser will do. Regards -- Bert Doorn, Better Web Design http://www.betterwebdesign.com.au/ Fast-loading, user-friendly websites ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Drop Down Menu Hack for IE
I think that is the same problem of hybrid dropdown CSS you can fix it with javascript function http://www.alistapart.com/articles/hybrid/ cheers Daniel http://www.gizax.it Joshua Leung wrote: Hi all, i am working on a drop down menu and can get it working fine in Firefox 1.0 but not in Internet Explorer. I followed the example seen on alistapart here: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/horizdropdowns/ I cannot seem to isolate the IE Hack to just work on my menu DIV, and not work on the whole page. I have put in a sample list in the content DIV of my page, to show the problem. In Firefox, the LI and UL tags are not affected in the content DIV, but in IE, they are. What can i do to fix this? Site: http://www.triplejosh.com/liftshop/index.html CSS: http://www.triplejosh.com/liftshop/styles/global.css Javascript: http://www.triplejosh.com/liftshop/menu.js Any ideas would be greatly appreciated! Cheers, Joshua Leung [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] FYI New WSG jobs section
Moderators I take it that the appearance of http://webstandardsgroup.org/resources/jobs.cfm means that list members can post webstandards postions they know about there? Would this extend to the reverse eg: allowing people who are available for contracts/jobs to list themselves? Or do people looking for work have to stick to more subtle methods like Lea de Groot's signature Lea ~ looking for a permanent position in Brisbane. Got anything? which prompted me to do the same thing :-) -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Need a Sydney based web standards contractor? You need my services. Recent projects for Glassonion, Freshweb, Cogentis, Ceneka ... http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://bookcrossing.com/referral/neerav ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Blockquote or Q?
Hi everyone. I'm working on a site that contains 1 boxed quote per page. By boxed, I mean there's a red border that encloses the quote. These aren't famouse quotes - or anything particulary special -just quotes from people who have read the pre-release of a new book. So, semantically speaking, should I be using Blockquote or Q tags? I don't think Cite is appropriate, and I'm not sure about Q either as I've read that Q should be used for quotations within a block of inline text. I'm leaning toward blockquote (stripping the indention via css), but I wanted to throw this question out and see if anyone had a strong opinion about this matter as it pertains to this particular project. Sample test page is here: http://www.x7m.us/_clients/danielik/dev/testing/index.htm Thanks to all in advance, Cole
Re: [WSG] FYI New WSG jobs section
One question I wheather or not out-of-country people are allowed to apply for these jobs. Max Design is pretty upfront about Australia only, but I'm not sure about the other one. Being from Canada I would like to see something around here that wasn't Australia only. Why do all the good web designers have to be from Aussie Land? :P -Alan Trick Neerav wrote: Moderators I take it that the appearance of http://webstandardsgroup.org/resources/jobs.cfm means that list members can post webstandards postions they know about there? Would this extend to the reverse eg: allowing people who are available for contracts/jobs to list themselves? Or do people looking for work have to stick to more subtle methods like Lea de Groot's signature Lea ~ looking for a permanent position in Brisbane. Got anything? which prompted me to do the same thing :-) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Review Please
Hi Levi, Just looking through the list and saw that you didn't get many replies, so I thought I'd have a shot. You might not have got much of an answer because there's not much to say. My first impression is that there's not much on the site to draw me in or make me want to come back, that may or may not be a problem since the site is catering to your 'invitation only' audience. Nevertheless, if you were trying to interest me it didn't work (I'm still not sure who the site is for or what it's about). I did what i usually do which is run the site through the good ol' validator http://validator.w3.org/ which turned up a few (OK, 9) easily fixed errors which you might want to sort out. A quick squiz at the source code revealed that you're using inline CSS. You may want to move these styles to an external stylesheet, which you will save on download time. That's about it. David On 02/03/2005, at 8:52 PM, Levi wrote: No replied after 13 days... yeesh. Was it that bad or that good? no comments at all? worked perfect on everyone's computer/browsers? here is the url again: http://ffxi.anime-madness.com -levi On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 18:36:17 -0500, Levi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy, I've been coming signed up only a few weeks here and have read only two dozen or so topics, mainly because I've been working on a new site and have had midterms to study for (UCF student in Orlando). The site was completed on the 11th though I am still working on backend PHP functionality. If some of you professionals could run it through the gauntlet, that would probably helpful to me (I find it hard to get rid of the if they don't use IE6.x or Firefox, screw them anyway, my sites aren't selling anything mentality). Two pages wont show up as XHTML Transitional complaint because they are using Flash (I've only seen one solution to making compliant html flash implementation and I disliked the drawbacks of not being able to inform the user to upgrade their Flash if they are using an old version). Thanks for any replies. http://ffxi.anime-madness.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** David McKinnon 15/6 Pigott Street Dulwich Hill NSW 2203 02 9518 1728 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Blockquote or Q?
On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 20:40:53 +0800, Cole Kuryakin - x7m wrote:
So, semantically speaking, should I be using Blockquote or Q tags?
Blockquote, I beleive - you're correct in that q is meant for inline
eg
psome text qwhat he said/q more text./p
I normally start my css file with
* {
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
}
anyway which would already have stripped the blockquote indenting :)
Lea
~ looking for a perm. position in Brisbane. Contact me for CV.
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Lea de Groot
Elysian Systems - I Understand the Internet http://elysiansystems.com/
Search Engine Optimisation, Usability, Information Architecture, Web
Design
Brisbane, Australia
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Re: [WSG] FYI New WSG jobs section
I completely agree Alan. This is an international list. I am hoping to see a thriving list of jobs soon with all sorts of positions and countries. The ball is (almost) in your court. Well, it will be very soon when Peter gets another bit of time to set it up for all users. Until then, send any relevant ads you would like placed on the site to me. Stay tuned for more. Russ One question I wheather or not out-of-country people are allowed to apply for these jobs. Max Design is pretty upfront about Australia only, but I'm not sure about the other one. Being from Canada I would like to see something around here that wasn't Australia only. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] FYI New WSG jobs section
Russ, is it (strictly) only about web deign positions, or someone can also post an ad related to the whole web design business (eg. sales managers for a WD company etc.)? Thanks. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Review Please
The modular interface on top is kind of cool. To me it feels like the whole thing should be certered with a black background. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Blockquote or Q?
In writing (like not-web writing) there is a thing were quotes that are
just are just a few lines are written in the normal flow of the text;
however, if a quote is more than 3-4 lines it is separate and indented
(about .5' on each side, but it depends on whose rules you use).
Anyways that is what blockquote was meant to refer to. I your situation
I would use
div id='sidebar'
blockquote
pI am seldom attracted to books of this genre.p
pThis author was recommended by a friend, and I couldn't put it
down!/p
/blockquote
cite
Cole Kuryakinbr
San Francisco
/cite
/div
The only issue with the blockquote is that it can't contain plain text,
it has to be in a p or something, but if you don't like the extra
margin the p gives, you can just do
blockquote p{margin:0}
in the css
Alan
Lea de Groot wrote:
On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 20:40:53 +0800, Cole Kuryakin - x7m wrote:
So, semantically speaking, should I be using Blockquote or Q tags?
Blockquote, I beleive - you're correct in that q is meant for inline
eg
psome text qwhat he said/q more text./p
I normally start my css file with
* {
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
}
anyway which would already have stripped the blockquote indenting :)
Lea
~ looking for a perm. position in Brisbane. Contact me for CV.
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Re: [WSG] FYI New WSG jobs section
I guess it is up to the WSG members to think about. The jobs section is definitely NOT for people advertising themselves as available - it is for positions vacant. I do not think it is relevant to post jobs related to SELLING web services, but it is definitely relevant for anything related to DOING web work. By this I mean the broader definition of developers - people who are involved in the development of websites in some way. So, I think it should cover: - Web design jobs - HTML/CSS coders - EcmaScript/Javascript coder jobs - Web developer jobs (PHP, CF, etc) - Accessibility jobs - Web managers - Etc. And do you all agree? Rather than discuss it on-list, add your opinions here: http://discuss.webstandardsgroup.org/archives/21.htm Thanks Russ is it (strictly) only about web deign positions, or someone can also post an ad related to the whole web design business (eg. sales managers for a WD company etc.)? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] is an empty href value valid
If I want a link that points to whatever page i am alread at (without any querystrings I can use a href='' (for example, I'm at index.php?start=10 and I want to go to index.php) Is this allowed? Alan ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Blockquote or Q?
Hi Cole,
Blockquote for sure, and like Alan suggest, make use of
normal tags inside.
And let me give you a nice trick to insert language
specific quotemarks :
If you declare the language in your HTML tag
likehtml lang="fr-ca" ... you can define inside
your CSS what kind of quote mark to insertbefore and after
yourblockquote, so then you do not have to manually insert those quote
marks and forget about them:)
blockquote:lang(fr-ca) {
quotes: " «" " »" " " " ";
}
blockquote:before {
content: open-quote;
}
blockquote:after {
content: close-quote;
}As you can see an exemple at http://www.echo3d.com/faq/Later,Hugues BrunelleConcepteur graphique//ECHO tridimension2139 rue MassonMontréal QC H2H 1A81-(514)5211360[EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cole Kuryakin -
x7mSent: April 19, 2005 07:41To:
wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: [WSG] Blockquote or
Q?
Hi everyone.
I'm working on a site that contains 1 boxed quote per page. By
boxed, I mean there's a red border that encloses the quote.
These aren't famouse quotes - or anything particulary special
-just quotes from people who have read the pre-release of a new
book.
So, semantically speaking, should I be using Blockquote or Q
tags?
I don't think Cite is appropriate, and I'm not sure about Q
either as I've read that Q should be used for quotations within a block of
inline text.
I'm leaning toward blockquote (stripping the indention via
css), but I wanted to throw this question out and see if anyone had a strong
opinion about this matter as it pertains to this particular
project.
Sample test page is here: http://www.x7m.us/_clients/danielik/dev/testing/index.htm
Thanks to all in advance,
Cole
Re: [WSG] is an empty href value valid
Alan Trick wrote: If I want a link that points to whatever page i am alread at (without any querystrings I can use a href='' (for example, I'm at index.php?start=10 and I want to go to index.php) Is this allowed? Not sure, but, why not just use a href=?= $PHP_SELF; ? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] is an empty href value valid
Alan Trick If I want a link that points to whatever page i am alread at (without any querystrings I can use a href='' (for example, I'm at index.php?start=10 and I want to go to index.php) Is this allowed? From the Uniform Resource Identifiers (URI): Generic Syntax RFC: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2396.txt 4.2. Same-document References A URI reference that does not contain a URI is a reference to the current document. In other words, an empty URI reference within a document is interpreted as a reference to the start of that document, and a reference containing only a fragment identifier is a reference to the identified fragment of that document. Traversal of such a reference should not result in an additional retrieval action. However, if the URI reference occurs in a context that is always intended to result in a new request, as in the case of HTML's FORM element, then an empty URI reference represents the base URI of the current document and should be replaced by that URI when transformed into a request. So, in short, if you have a link with an empty href, it will jump you to the top of the current document, but NOT reload it or send any other request to the server. If you do want to have the current document reloaded, then you need a proper URI in there. If it's the index file you're currently on, you could use href=./, for instance. Or, if you're already using PHP, why not href=?php echo $_SERVER['PHP_SELF'];? ? Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] is an empty href value valid
Brian Cummiskey Not sure, but, why not just use a href=?= $PHP_SELF; ? Ouch...I thought nobody used short-tags anymore because of the kludgey workaround required when using XML declarations... Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] FYI New WSG jobs section
How do you post a job opening in this site? I looked for a button or link and didn't see anything. They are still looking for someone to replace me at my old job in San Diego Ted Drake www.tdrake.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] is an empty href value valid
On 4/19/05, Patrick Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian Cummiskey Not sure, but, why not just use a href=?= $PHP_SELF; ? Ouch...I thought nobody used short-tags anymore because of the kludgey workaround required when using XML declarations... Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** Hi Alan, I would use, like Patrick said, the following syntax: a href= ?php echo $_SERVER [ ' PHP_SELF ' ] ; ? -- S. Lemmen ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Firefox 1.0.3
Hello, Has anyone else noticed any issues with their standards-compliant websites and the new Firefox 1.0.3? One of my client sites which looked great in Firefox up to v1.0.2 suddenly looks a bit strange. The most significant difference is that background images inserted through the css do not seem to be displayed. All the best, -- Ian Fenn Chopstix Media http://www.chopstixmedia.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] is an empty href value valid
oops send it twice.. On 4/19/05, Stefan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/19/05, Patrick Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian Cummiskey Not sure, but, why not just use a href=?= $PHP_SELF; ? Ouch...I thought nobody used short-tags anymore because of the kludgey workaround required when using XML declarations... Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** Hi Alan, I would use, like Patrick said, the following syntax: a href= ?php echo $_SERVER [ ' PHP_SELF ' ] ; ? -- S. Lemmen ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Stefan Lemmen Holland ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re[2]: [WSG] Blockquote or Q?
Hugues, HB Blockquote for sure, and like Alan suggest, make use of normal tags inside. HB And let me give you a nice trick to insert language specific quotemarks : HB If you declare the language in your HTML tag like html lang=fr-ca ... HB you can define inside your CSS what kind of quote mark to insert before and HB after your blockquote, so then you do not have to manually insert those HB quote marks and forget about them :) What about IE? This doesn't work in IE. You could of cause do some magic trickery with JavaScript, but what about users without CSS and/or JavaScript? I would prefer your way, but I don't think that is already usable nowadays. Martin ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] problem with more nifty corners
Hi All If you haven't tried the more nifty corners approach to rounded corners, it's well ... pretty nifty. http://pro.html.it/articoli/id_599/idcat_31/pro.html I am having a problem and I'm wondering if anyone else has seen the same and fixed it. On some of my divs, I have an extra white line at the bottom. I'm assuming it is a padding or margin conflict. I've looked into the css and I don't see anything that would cause the issue. The code is clean, the divs either contain an h3 and list or h3 and paragraph. I'd like to send you to a page that has the text and css but it is for an intranet and that won't work. However, I have taken a screen-shot of the offending line. Here's an example of what I mean: http://tdrake.net/test/nifty-corner-line.gif If you have experienced the same issue, please let me know what you did to solve it. Thanks Ted Drake www.tdrake.net
RE: Re[2]: [WSG] Blockquote or Q?
You're right. And I would not call any fixes with javascript. So like everything, you can decide to use these CSS declarations or not :) Hugues -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Heiden Sent: April 19, 2005 09:59 To: Hugues Brunelle Subject: Re[2]: [WSG] Blockquote or Q? Hugues, HB Blockquote for sure, and like Alan suggest, make use of normal tags inside. HB And let me give you a nice trick to insert language specific quotemarks : HB If you declare the language in your HTML tag like html lang=fr-ca HB ... you can define inside your CSS what kind of quote mark to HB insert before and after your blockquote, so then you do not have to HB manually insert those quote marks and forget about them :) What about IE? This doesn't work in IE. You could of cause do some magic trickery with JavaScript, but what about users without CSS and/or JavaScript? I would prefer your way, but I don't think that is already usable nowadays. Martin ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
OT Re: [WSG] UTF-8
PPS. This is a good test to see if the WSG mail system can handle UTF-8 AFAIK å is Latin1 character (Scandinavian), so no need for UTF here. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] UTF-8 (was: Quirks mode vs Standards mode)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean Jackson Sent: 19 April 2005 17:12 ... I try to avoid entities with exception for ' You're right. If you're using UTF-8 you only need to encode the characters that are special in HTML/XHTML/XML (, and ). Using numeric entities (or even named entities) in a UTF-8 file for characters that are outside the range of ASCII is usually a waste of space. The only time I use them is when I'm on a keyboard/system where I don't know how to enter the character, such as å. I'd type aring; in this case. PS. Hopefully the W3C i18n guru Richard is listening and will tell everyone if I'm wrong. Hi Dean. I'd hesitate to say anyone was right or wrong here, but I'm of the same opinion, albeit with one small exception. I think in UTF-8 NCRs/entities beyond the ASCII range can be useful for invisible characters (such as LRM in Arabic/Hebrew) or ambiguous characters (such as non-breaking space - which looks like an ordinary space). Tee mentioned some issues with Chinese characters on IE Mac that I haven't got to the bottom of yet, but I don't recall encountering any other problems that could be solved by using escapes instead. For a fuller version of my opinion see the slides starting at http://www.w3.org/International/tutorials/tutorial-char-enc/en/all.html#Slid e0440 RI ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: OT Re: [WSG] UTF-8
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jan Brasna Sent: 19 April 2005 17:29 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: OT Re: [WSG] UTF-8 PPS. This is a good test to see if the WSG mail system can handle UTF-8 AFAIK å is Latin1 character (Scandinavian), so no need for UTF here. Yes, but the bytes used in ISO 8859-1 (Latin1) or Windows code page and those usef for UTF-8 are different. In Latin1 encoding å is a single byte: E5; whereas UTF-8 represents this as two bytes: C3 A5. So the fact that you are seeing it indicates that the system recognised the Unicode encoding :-) RI PS: You may find my Unicode converter a useful play tool for this kind of thing. It's a bit rough and ready, but it's useful. http://people.w3.org/rishida/scripts/uniview/conversion.en.html Richard Ishida W3C contact info: http://www.w3.org/People/Ishida/ W3C Internationalization: http://www.w3.org/International/ Publication blog: http://people.w3.org/rishida/blog/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: OT Re: [WSG] UTF-8
Yes, but the bytes used in ISO 8859-1 (Latin1) or Windows code page and those usef for UTF-8 are different. Sure, however the mail came in Latin1 (see the headers), so I just want to comment that it won't show the difference. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] UTF-8 (was: Quirks mode vs Standards mode)
Hi Dean, You wrote: ... Norwenglish lines of text into numeric entities (UTF-8) where needed. What characters needs encoding into numeric entities when using UTF-8? I try to avoid entities with exception for ' It is a small nuisance, of course. I do use them when I type (US English qwertyuiop keyboard) as I usually don't have a place to copy and paste. It does work quite well, though, when I copy and paste something I used entities or the numeric codes for into Outlook at work. Mostly at work I use a degree sign or a plus/minus sign but there is a lot to cover for foreign place and personal names that is not on my keyboard. You're right. If you're using UTF-8 you only need to encode the characters that are special in HTML/XHTML/XML (, and ). Using numeric entities (or even named entities) in a UTF-8 file for characters that are outside the range of ASCII is usually a waste of space. Does anyone have a good quick reference as to which characters are good on UTF-8? How about a faster or easier way to type them in? I wasn't aware (until this thread) that there was enough space for place name and personal name non-English characters in the UTF-8 standard. Regards, Gene Falck [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] UTF-8
Dean Jackson wrote: The only time I use them is when I'm on a keyboard/system where I don't know how to enter the character, such as å. I'd type aring; in this case. PS. Hopefully the W3C i18n guru Richard is listening and will tell everyone if I'm wrong. I'll second that... Can someone actually _underwrite_ some real facts on this issue? Facts that are global and cross-browser enough to be of any real use? This is one of the few things I'd rather not leave for my visitors to mess up. I can create a much larger mess at my end. - Half of the Norwegian sites I visit in a day are full of question-marks--until I actively change encoding, and change it again, and again... - Not uncommon problem on EN-US sites either btw, so something isn't working too well. #8212; seems to come out a lot more predictable than most alternatives I see daily. Euro-signs are ok, but they don't look as if they belong in most sentences they appear in. - No problem to hit it right, but right isn't the same on all sites, and the facts I have found on this issue are often discarded by the next fact-sheet I find. If I'm confused, then so are many regular web-surfers. - Regular ASCII-characters (- 127) isn't the problem. It's the 128 - 255 range that messes it up at my end. So I prefer aring or #229; instead of å before my pages are released into the wild, as that'll get at least the few characters we Norwegians need as extras come out right regardless of what encoding _my_ browsers are set at. Above the basic 8bits ASCII we either need the right encoding-map or the right multiple of it so it becomes Universal. A proper - universal - converter would be nice... --- Whether I've mixed up encoding-maps and entities in a way I shouldn't, isn't as important as getting it right at my end. I think I understand enough about language-maps to be able to stack them together and end up with a universal one in the end. (I think that's already done btw) regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] UTF-8
- Half of the Norwegian sites I visit in a day are full of question-marks--until I actively change encoding, and change it again, and again... Hmm, we here in CZ use Latin2 or CP1250, everyone uses proper charset headers, so no problem with this. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] UTF-8
Jan Brasna wrote: - Half of the Norwegian sites I visit in a day are full of question-marks--until I actively change encoding, and change it again, and again... Hmm, we here in CZ use Latin2 or CP1250, everyone uses proper charset headers, so no problem with this. You hit one of the usual problems right on the head. Proper charset headers are often lacking. (I have some confessions to make on that subject myself - think it's a human bug that needs fixing :-) ) regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] UTF-8 (was: Quirks mode vs Standards mode)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gene Falck Sent: 19 April 2005 18:49 ... Does anyone have a good quick reference as to which characters are good on UTF-8? How about a faster or easier way to type them in? FWIW you may find this useful for Latin characters: http://people.w3.org/rishida/scripts/pickers/latin/ See http://people.w3.org/rishida/scripts/pickers/ for explanations and other scripts. RI ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] LOC new release
The US Library of Congress (LOC) has today released the first of a series of upgrades to their Web site. As you will see if you visit: http://www.loc.gov/ The new design uses tableless layout, full use of CSS, XHTML and improved usability, accessibility and aesthetics. I sent them an email today, as they are still not encoding ampersands in their URIs, but other than that the code should also validate. The CSS could definitely use some cleaning up and reduction, but this is progress -- from an organization with clout. Nice site, check it out. On another note, I am building a resource directory for Web developers, designers and programmers. If anyone would like to contribute resource suggestions, please contact me off the list. The URI to the Web Standards category is: http://loadaveragezero.com/app/drx/Internet/WWW/Design_and_Development/Standards Thanks, Doug-- Douglas Clifton[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://loadaveragezero.com/
RE: [WSG] LOC new release - standards or looks?
Thanks for the heads up Doug, This is great news and good to see that developers are really picking up on standards compliant design and working that into projects of this scale. The site does not yetvalidate and the encoded ampersands are a big issue in this (in fact the only issue on the front page) One issue I have noticed is that some major developer sites and 'famous' css layout based sites actually don't validate. Is there a trend growing that people are building css based sites for the 'look' and not actuallycaring aboutstandards? Is it becoming about a 'style'? For example, a large site I work onwas redesigned recently (before I arrived) and the company specified that the code must validate. From wading through the muck they produced it appears that all the development company did was add a doctype to each page and for them this was 'valid code'. Worse, the site was built in nested tables (you go through 3 nested tables before hitting the actual page content) and the doctype in no way reflects the code or structure of the site. We are a LONG way from validating and it will be me that cleans up the mess. Has anyoneelse noticed this kind oflip-service being paidto standards by devlopers?
Re: [WSG] Blockquote or Q?
On 4/19/05, Alan Trick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyways that is what blockquote was meant to refer to. I your situation I would use div id='sidebar' blockquote pI am seldom attracted to books of this genre.p pThis author was recommended by a friend, and I couldn't put it down!/p /blockquote cite Cole Kuryakinbr San Francisco /cite /div The only issue with the blockquote is that it can't contain plain text, it has to be in a p or something, but if you don't like the extra margin the p gives, you can just do Should the cite be outside the blockquote? or should it be inside? or either? i.e. blockquoteptext/p/blockquotecitetext/cite or blockquoteptext/pcitetext/cite/blockquote Ben.
Re: [WSG] Disjointed Rollovers in css
Jackie wrote: i would like to be able to make a disjointed rollover in css, you know rollover the text and the image nearby changes colour or whatever. Hi Jackie, I think youre after something like this (on eric meyer's site): http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/popups/demo2.html (mouseover the left nav) Also, Doug Bowman highlighted a double rollover technique he used on the adaptive path redesign [1] a while ago, but it seems to have disappeared from the live site for some reason. be interesting to know if it was removed due to a bug or if they just decided to remove it for non tech reasons... [1] http://www.adaptivepath.com/ anyway, hth, cheers, pete ~~ Peter Ottery ~ Designer Daemon Pty Ltd www.daemon.com.au ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Disjointed Rollovers in css
jackie reid wrote: is there a tutorial out there that anyone has seen or used that may help me achieve this. Hi Jackie, This may help you: http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/css%20pop%20ups/ HTH, Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] stopping float covering other content when container too small
Hi Any ideas how to stop a floated google ad from covering content when the container div its in has too short a height ? eg: the 2nd post at http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ whose summary is shorter than the height of the ad, causing the ad to cover part of the older post below thanks -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Need a Sydney based web standards contractor? You need my services. Recent projects for Glassonion, Freshweb, Cogentis, Ceneka ... http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://bookcrossing.com/referral/neerav ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Blockquote or Q?
Hughes -
That is a neat trick. Thanks for sharing!
Cole
- Original Message -
From:
Hugues
Brunelle
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 11:11
PM
Subject: RE: [WSG] Blockquote or Q?
Hi Cole,
Blockquote for sure, and like Alan suggest, make use of
normal tags inside.
And let me give you a nice trick to insert language
specific quotemarks :
If you declare the language in your HTML tag
likehtml lang="fr-ca" ... you can define inside
your CSS what kind of quote mark to insertbefore and after
yourblockquote, so then you do not have to manually insert those quote
marks and forget about them:)
blockquote:lang(fr-ca) {
quotes: " «" " »" " " " ";
}
blockquote:before {
content: open-quote;
}
blockquote:after {
content: close-quote;
}As you can see an exemple at http://www.echo3d.com/faq/Later,Hugues BrunelleConcepteur graphique//ECHO tridimension2139 rue MassonMontréal QC H2H 1A81-(514)5211360[EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cole Kuryakin -
x7mSent: April 19, 2005 07:41To:
wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: [WSG] Blockquote or
Q?
Hi everyone.
I'm working on a site that contains 1 boxed quote per page.
By boxed, I mean there's a red border that encloses the quote.
These aren't famouse quotes - or anything particulary
special -just quotes from people who have read the pre-release of a new
book.
So, semantically speaking, should I be using Blockquote or Q
tags?
I don't think Cite is appropriate, and I'm not sure about Q
either as I've read that Q should be used for quotations within a block of
inline text.
I'm leaning toward blockquote (stripping the indention via
css), but I wanted to throw this question out and see if anyone had a strong
opinion about this matter as it pertains to this particular
project.
Sample test page is here: http://www.x7m.us/_clients/danielik/dev/testing/index.htm
Thanks to all in advance,
Cole
Re: [WSG] Blockquote or Q?
Alan -
Thanks for the clarification. I didn't know that you had to (were suppose
to) surround text tags with the blockquote - but now I know!
One follow-on:
As you could see on the like I provided, I've inserted a bunch of brs
within the quote in order to control the line breaks of each quote. Just a
design thing. Is this really a no, no or would this be permissable?
Cole
- Original Message -
From: Alan Trick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Blockquote or Q?
In writing (like not-web writing) there is a thing were quotes that are
just are just a few lines are written in the normal flow of the text;
however, if a quote is more than 3-4 lines it is separate and indented
(about .5' on each side, but it depends on whose rules you use).
Anyways that is what blockquote was meant to refer to. I your situation
I would use
div id='sidebar'
blockquote
pI am seldom attracted to books of this genre.p
pThis author was recommended by a friend, and I couldn't put it
down!/p
/blockquote
cite
Cole Kuryakinbr
San Francisco
/cite
/div
The only issue with the blockquote is that it can't contain plain text,
it has to be in a p or something, but if you don't like the extra
margin the p gives, you can just do
blockquote p{margin:0}
in the css
Alan
Lea de Groot wrote:
On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 20:40:53 +0800, Cole Kuryakin - x7m wrote:
So, semantically speaking, should I be using Blockquote or Q tags?
Blockquote, I beleive - you're correct in that q is meant for inline
eg
psome text qwhat he said/q more text./p
I normally start my css file with
* {
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
}
anyway which would already have stripped the blockquote indenting :)
Lea
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