[WSG] Re: [css-d] Stuck on a couple of things

[David Laakso]

On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 09:56:50 -0400, Nancy Eaton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:

[...]

Here is the page: http://www.retroactive.com/gateindex.html
In IE/Win 6.0 the image in "Featured image" does not show up. It does
show up in all other browsers.
Delete the inline style you have on that image, and add the height and  
width dimensions of the image.

Add this to your CSS:
img { float: right; position: relative; }
FWIW: You've got the right column overlapping the header on all my  
browsers which I guess is intended but looks peculiar to me,  but then  
some say I'm peculiar...

[...]

Nancy Eaton

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Re: [WSG] Regarding foreign languages

[Johan Steenkamp]

Vaska

> - will utf-8 suffice?

Yes - however as Peter has pointed out you may need to consider server side 
aspects.

> - do I need to specify http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"; 
> xml:lang='en' lang='en'> as ZN?  is it necessary?  Isn't utf-8 good 
> enough?

You should specify the lang in the html element/s containing the text. For 
example this page is in English but contains divs with other languages (FF will 
get XHTML 1.1 and MSIE XHTML 1.0):

http://www.orbital.co.nz/anx/index.cfm/1,10,96,html


Johan


> Original Message
> From: Vaska.WSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
> Date: Fri, Jun-3-2005 2:05 AM
> Subject: [WSG] Regarding foreign languages
>
> Am I allowed to ask about non-CSS things here?
> 
> In particular, I'm trying to deal with how to handle inputs of Chinese 
> characters via some forms.  What I'm wondering is...
> 
> - will utf-8 suffice?
> - do I need to specify http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"; 
> xml:lang='en' lang='en'> as ZN?  is it necessary?  Isn't utf-8 good 
> enough?
> 
> And further, I'm not sure how to handle Chinese text on the validation 
> end of things, but this might be a subject for a different list 
> altogether.
> 
> I'll eventually have to deal with some other languages but Chinese will 
> 
> likely be one of the more difficult ones.
> 
> ???
> 
> I'll see what happens when I send this...v
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RE: [WSG] Regarding foreign languages

[Peter Firminger]

Hi Vaska,

> Am I allowed to ask about non-CSS things here?

WSG is not just a CSS list. Your question is entirely appropriate as it is
dealing with firm Web Standards.

> In particular, I'm trying to deal with how to handle inputs
> of Chinese
> characters via some forms.  What I'm wondering is...

One thing you need to watch is what the application or web server is
expecting from the form. In ColdFusion MX there are times when you have to
tell the ColdFusion server to expect a certain encoding from form posts.

E.g. setencoding("form", "UTF-8");

I don't know whether PHP and other server-side languages have this need or
whether they work it out themselves. Not that I want to start that
discussion here (as server-side technology is off topic) but as a concept,
it may well be part of the problem and I just wanted to add it to your debug
process.

Peter


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Re: [WSG] Issue with CSS, Flash and FireFox

[Chris Kennon]

Hi Peter:


I was in child mode:)

Adult: "The sky is blue."
Child: "Why"

G/L
C
On Jun 2, 2005, at 2:28 PM, Peter Asquith wrote:



Chris Kennon wrote:

If he didn't see it before posting, how would it be "all"? I'm   
curious about what seems to be a contradiction to absolute  
positioning.




Hi Chris

I think Jeff's doing a bit of live updating here of the example  
page, but when I looked the menus were being positioned absolutely  
relative to the page, but the other content of the page was being  
centred. Presumably on a 1024x768 the menu positioning looked right.


Cheers
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Re: [WSG] Issue with CSS, Flash and FireFox

[Peter Asquith]

Chris Kennon wrote:
If he didn't see it before posting, how would it be "all"? I'm  curious 
about what seems to be a contradiction to absolute positioning.


Hi Chris

I think Jeff's doing a bit of live updating here of the example page, 
but when I looked the menus were being positioned absolutely relative to 
the page, but the other content of the page was being centred. 
Presumably on a 1024x768 the menu positioning looked right.


Cheers
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Re: Re: [WSG] Issue with CSS, Flash and FireFox

[Jeff]

I added an absolute value to the left margin for my main container.  This 
appears to help with the menu "sliding" issue.

Jeff
> 
> From: Chris Kennon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2005/06/02 Thu PM 05:08:29 EDT
> To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
> Subject: Re: [WSG] Issue with CSS, Flash and FireFox
> 
> Hi,
> 
> If he didn't see it before posting, how would it be "all"? I'm  
> curious about what seems to be a contradiction to absolute positioning.
> 
> G/L
> C
> On Jun 2, 2005, at 1:05 PM, Peter Asquith wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> >>> Also some issues with the navigation sliding of the "plate" in  
> >>> Safari
> >>>
> > It's true of, presumably, all browsers because your menus are  
> > absolutely positioned.
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> > Cheers
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Re: [WSG] Issue with CSS, Flash and FireFox

[Chris Kennon]

Hi,

If he didn't see it before posting, how would it be "all"? I'm  
curious about what seems to be a contradiction to absolute positioning.


G/L
C
On Jun 2, 2005, at 1:05 PM, Peter Asquith wrote:




Also some issues with the navigation sliding of the "plate" in  
Safari


It's true of, presumably, all browsers because your menus are  
absolutely positioned.


Cheers
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Re: [WSG] Regarding foreign languages

[Juergen Auer]

On 2 Jun 2005 at 16:49, Vaska.WSG wrote:

> It's for a multilanguage site and base language will be English.  
> Everything on the form will be English except the actual input 
> (textarea).  

Hello Vaska,

I think you are mixing two things which should be separated.

The first problem is the language of the page (defined in the header) 
or the language of a block (defined like http://www.sql-und-xml.de/

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Re: [WSG] Issue with CSS, Flash and FireFox

[Peter Asquith]

Also some issues with the navigation sliding of the "plate" in Safari  
It's true of, presumably, all browsers because your menus are absolutely 
positioned.


Cheers
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Re: [WSG] Issue with CSS, Flash and FireFox

[Chris Kennon]

Hi,

No worries. Drop a line off-list if further MAC testing is needed.

G/L
C
On Jun 2, 2005, at 12:36 PM, Jeff wrote:


Thanks Chris

I have not gotten to checking the site on a Mac yet.  Thanks for  
the head's up.


Jeff




From: Chris Kennon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 2005/06/02 Thu PM 03:20:32 EDT
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: [WSG] Issue with CSS, Flash and FireFox

Hi,

Also some issues with the navigation sliding of the "plate" in Safari
2.0.

G/L
C




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Re: Re: [WSG] Issue with CSS, Flash and FireFox

[Jeff]

Thanks Chris

I have not gotten to checking the site on a Mac yet.  Thanks for the head's up.

Jeff

> 
> From: Chris Kennon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2005/06/02 Thu PM 03:20:32 EDT
> To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
> Subject: Re: [WSG] Issue with CSS, Flash and FireFox
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Also some issues with the navigation sliding of the "plate" in Safari  
> 2.0.
> 
> G/L
> C


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Re: [WSG] Issue with CSS, Flash and FireFox

[Chris Kennon]

Hi,

Also some issues with the navigation sliding of the "plate" in Safari  
2.0.


G/L
C
On Jun 2, 2005, at 10:18 AM, Jeff wrote:


Hello to All,

I have a slight issue that is driving me batty.  I am unable to get  
my flash/shockwave file to behave in FireFox.  In FF, the flash  
file lays on top of the footer, but in IE, it stays where it is  
suppose to be.


Here is the url to the work in progress, which works well for IE.

http://www.kustom.com/Kustom2005/index.htm

Any solutions that help me better understand the slight differences  
and how to overcome them in the future will be greatly appreciated.


Thanks

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Re: Re: [WSG] Issue with CSS, Flash and FireFox

[Jeff]

Thanks

I will try that.

Jeff
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> From: Leslie Riggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2005/06/02 Thu PM 02:02:15 EDT
> To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
> Subject: Re: [WSG] Issue with CSS, Flash and FireFox
> 
> You have a number of validation errors per the W3C HTML validator; 
> perhaps start with clearing those up?  One of the errors mentions trying 
> to use "src" with the embed tag...
> 
> Leslie Riggs
> 
> >Hello to All,
> >
> >I have a slight issue that is driving me batty.  I am unable to get my 
> >flash/shockwave file to behave in FireFox.  In FF, the flash file lays on 
> >top of the footer, but in IE, it stays where it is suppose to be.
> >
> >Here is the url to the work in progress, which works well for IE.
> >
> >http://www.kustom.com/Kustom2005/index.htm
> >
> >Any solutions that help me better understand the slight differences and how 
> >to overcome them in the future will be greatly appreciated.
> >
> >Thanks
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> >Jeff D. Reid
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Re: [WSG] Issue with CSS, Flash and FireFox

[Leslie Riggs]

You have a number of validation errors per the W3C HTML validator; 
perhaps start with clearing those up?  One of the errors mentions trying 
to use "src" with the embed tag...


Leslie Riggs


Hello to All,

I have a slight issue that is driving me batty.  I am unable to get my 
flash/shockwave file to behave in FireFox.  In FF, the flash file lays on top 
of the footer, but in IE, it stays where it is suppose to be.

Here is the url to the work in progress, which works well for IE.

http://www.kustom.com/Kustom2005/index.htm

Any solutions that help me better understand the slight differences and how to 
overcome them in the future will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

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[WSG] Issue with CSS, Flash and FireFox

[Jeff]

Hello to All,

I have a slight issue that is driving me batty.  I am unable to get my 
flash/shockwave file to behave in FireFox.  In FF, the flash file lays on top 
of the footer, but in IE, it stays where it is suppose to be.

Here is the url to the work in progress, which works well for IE.

http://www.kustom.com/Kustom2005/index.htm

Any solutions that help me better understand the slight differences and how to 
overcome them in the future will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Jeff D. Reid

MIS Dept.
HHI Music
Cincinnati, OH, USA


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RE: Re[2]: [WSG] Regarding foreign languages

[Patrick Lauke]

> Martin Heiden

> I agree with you in all points but this one. Even in XHTML 1.0 the
> lang-Attribute is needed.

At the risk of splitting very fine hairs even further: *needed* or
*allowed* ? I'd tend to think the latter...

Patrick

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Re[2]: [WSG] Regarding foreign languages

[Martin Heiden]

Ben,

Am Donnerstag, 2. Juni 2005 um 17:23:57 haben Sie geschrieben:

> For further reference: You also use both "lang" and "xml:lang" in
> XHTML transitional for backward compatibility with HTML4, whilst in
> strict mode "xml:lang" is all you need.

I agree with you in all points but this one. Even in XHTML 1.0 the
lang-Attribute is needed. It is droped in XHTML 1.1.

See: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/dtds.html#a_dtd_XHTML-1.0-Strict




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Re: [WSG] Regarding foreign languages

[Ben Ward]

You need both because the language of the page and the encoding of the
characters in the document are different things.
UTF8 does not tell you which language you're using, and the language
attributes to not exist for the purpose of rendering characters
correctly.

A page in UTF-8 could be in any language, it doesn't tell you which.
But the language attribute(s) are used for other things. Since you can
select them with CSS, a web browser can apply regionalised quotation
marks to blocks of a document if you've declared the langauge.  A
screen reader will use different libraries to read different
languages, too. There are a variety of 'beyond the browser' uses for
the attribute.

For further reference: You also use both "lang" and "xml:lang" in
XHTML transitional for backward compatibility with HTML4, whilst in
strict mode "xml:lang" is all you need.

In your case, since the page is mostly in English I would have
lang="en" in the  element, and as you suggest, put lang="zn" in
the relevent form elements or parent containers as necessary.

Ben

On 6/2/05, Vaska. WSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's for a multilanguage site and base language will be English.
> Everything on the form will be English except the actual input
> (textarea).  Would it hurt anything if I just kept the lang declaration
> as EN in the header?  Or, since the input will be Chinese should it be
> ZN?  Or, do I need to be more specific and delcare lang=ZN on the
> textarea itself?
> 
> I was wondering though...since it's ALL utf-8 it might not be necessary
> to declare lang=whatever at all?
> 
> Out of curiousity, I'm not sure why we need to declare lang and
> xml:lang since utf-8 (I believe) is all we really need?
> 
> 
> On Jun 2, 2005, at 4:21 PM, Ben Ward wrote:
> 
> > The language in your html element should be the language of the page.
> > If you have a section of the page (be that a parapraph, form,
> > anything) which uses a different language then you can add a lang and
> > xml:lang attribute to that as well. HTML is generally rather good at
> > doing multi-lingual documents.
> >
> > I could do this on a page (this is condensed down and is missing some
> > attributes, but I just want to show the xml:lang/lang behaviour):
> >
> > 
> > 
> >
> > 
> > 
> >
> > 
> >   
> > 
> >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
> > The language declaration doesn't restrict the characters you can use
> > in forms, regardless. So you don't need to add a language attribute to
> > your sub-elements unless you are explicitly requiring Chinese input.
> > Obviously if it's an all chinese site then it would make sense to
> > change the language value in the  element itself.
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RE: [WSG] Best way to embed WMV file in webpage?

[Mike Foskett]

Neerav,

It doesn't work on a Mac (Safari or IE).
It's probably best to convert it to Flash anyway. 
Check out Swishvideo for a quick and easy method: http://swishzone.com/

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Subject: [WSG] Best way to embed WMV file in webpage?

Hi

I have to embed a WMV (Windows Media Video) file on a page in a clients website 
and would appreciate any tips to improve the code used in my test page at 
http://www.rci.com.au/en/test/test.htm

FYI a quick test in Firefox, IE6 and Opera 8 worked fine

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Re: [WSG] A way to skip a Flash-intro if Flash is not installed?

[Leslie Riggs]

But, Kristian, if a dial-up user has to sit and sit and sit to wait for 
the Flash to load, when is this person going to see the skip button?


Leslie Riggs


Well, the flash-intro itself has a skip-button, so that won't be necessary.

/Kristian

 


Like most dial-up users who do have Flash installed, I don't want to
*ever* sit (and sit, and sit, and sit) through a Flash intro and want
to be able to clearly see the link that says to skip it - please
don't hide it behind the Flash movie! Best not to take usability
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Re: [WSG] Regarding foreign languages

[Vaska . WSG]

It's for a multilanguage site and base language will be English.  
Everything on the form will be English except the actual input 
(textarea).  Would it hurt anything if I just kept the lang declaration 
as EN in the header?  Or, since the input will be Chinese should it be 
ZN?  Or, do I need to be more specific and delcare lang=ZN on the 
textarea itself?


I was wondering though...since it's ALL utf-8 it might not be necessary 
to declare lang=whatever at all?


Out of curiousity, I'm not sure why we need to declare lang and 
xml:lang since utf-8 (I believe) is all we really need?



On Jun 2, 2005, at 4:21 PM, Ben Ward wrote:


The language in your html element should be the language of the page.
If you have a section of the page (be that a parapraph, form,
anything) which uses a different language then you can add a lang and
xml:lang attribute to that as well. HTML is generally rather good at
doing multi-lingual documents.

I could do this on a page (this is condensed down and is missing some
attributes, but I just want to show the xml:lang/lang behaviour):








  






The language declaration doesn't restrict the characters you can use
in forms, regardless. So you don't need to add a language attribute to
your sub-elements unless you are explicitly requiring Chinese input.
Obviously if it's an all chinese site then it would make sense to
change the language value in the  element itself.

Ben
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Re: [WSG] CSS problems in IE (weird font-size)

[Anthony Cartmell]

Nanna,


Has any one encountered problems with IE when using
CSS style sheets?


Yes, _lots_!!

Do you have a DTD declaration at the top of your HTML?  It can make quite  
a difference to how IE works with CSS, especially with tables and  
percentage font sizes.  And older versions of IE do different things to  
IE6 too.


Can't wait for the real IE7, and really hoping it'll conform to CSS as  
well as Opera and Firefox etc.


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Re: [WSG] A way to skip a Flash-intro if Flash is not installed?

[Kristian Rasmussen]

Well, the flash-intro itself has a skip-button, so that won't be necessary.

/Kristian

On 6/2/05, Vicki Berry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Like most dial-up users who do have Flash installed, I don't want to
> *ever* sit (and sit, and sit, and sit) through a Flash intro and want
> to be able to clearly see the link that says to skip it - please
> don't hide it behind the Flash movie! Best not to take usability
> choices away from your viewers.
> 
> Vicki.  :-)
> 
> 
> On 02/06/2005, at 2:08 AM, Kristian Rasmussen wrote:
> > Viewers who have flash won't be
> > able to see it if the flash-object has 100% width and height, and
> > others will only see the text.
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Re: [WSG] Regarding foreign languages

[Ben Ward]

The language in your html element should be the language of the page.
If you have a section of the page (be that a parapraph, form,
anything) which uses a different language then you can add a lang and
xml:lang attribute to that as well. HTML is generally rather good at
doing multi-lingual documents.

I could do this on a page (this is condensed down and is missing some
attributes, but I just want to show the xml:lang/lang behaviour):








  






The language declaration doesn't restrict the characters you can use
in forms, regardless. So you don't need to add a language attribute to
your sub-elements unless you are explicitly requiring Chinese input.
Obviously if it's an all chinese site then it would make sense to
change the language value in the  element itself.

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RE: Re: [WSG] CSS problems in IE (weird font-size)

[Mike Foskett]

Hi Nanna,

Don't set the font-size in an a element, stick em in at block level (it makes 
the cascade easier to control).

Sounds to me like you are having inheritance issues which you've compensated 
visually for in Firefox, then when you run IE they're not inherited correctly 
(no surprise there then).


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-Original Message-
From: Nanna B.K. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 02 June 2005 14:29
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: SV: Re: [WSG] CSS problems in IE (weird font-size)

> It may, since the content of tables often does not inherit font 
> settings on a container element or even the body If it has to stay in 
> a table, add a rule in your css for that table (give it an id or 
> class) and see if that fixes the immediate problem.

Thanks for replying so fast, it didn't work though.
I have assigned each element in my menu a class
either: 

a.menu {background-color: #FF; color: #0066CC;
text-align: left; text-decoration: bold;
font-family: arial; padding-left: 3px; font-size:
0.85em; text-align: left}

or

a.menu2 {font-family: arial; color: #0066CC;
font-size: 0.70em;text-align: left;
background-color: #FF; padding-left: 15px;
text-decoration: underline}

(not as tedious as it sounds as I'm using PHP to generate the menu). Maybe IE 
is overruling my rules and using the standard settings for links instead?

- Nanna
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[WSG] Regarding foreign languages

[Vaska . WSG]

Am I allowed to ask about non-CSS things here?

In particular, I'm trying to deal with how to handle inputs of Chinese 
characters via some forms.  What I'm wondering is...


- will utf-8 suffice?
- do I need to specify http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"; 
xml:lang='en' lang='en'> as ZN?  is it necessary?  Isn't utf-8 good 
enough?


And further, I'm not sure how to handle Chinese text on the validation 
end of things, but this might be a subject for a different list 
altogether.


I'll eventually have to deal with some other languages but Chinese will 
likely be one of the more difficult ones.


???

I'll see what happens when I send this...v

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Re: SV: Re: [WSG] CSS problems in IE (weird font-size)

[Tim John]

Hi Nanna,
I think you'll find that if you give the relevant td's a font size, this
should overcome the problem.
Fingers crossed!
Tim.

>> It may, since the content of tables often does not
>> inherit font
>> settings on a container element or even the body
>> If it has to stay in a table, add a rule in your css
>> for that
>> table (give it an id or class) and see if that fixes
>> the
>> immediate problem.
>
> Thanks for replying so fast, it didn't work though.
> I have assigned each element in my menu a class
> either:
>
> a.menu {background-color: #FF; color: #0066CC;
> text-align: left; text-decoration: bold;
> font-family: arial; padding-left: 3px; font-size:
> 0.85em; text-align: left}
>
> or
>
> a.menu2 {font-family: arial; color: #0066CC;
> font-size: 0.70em;text-align: left;
> background-color: #FF; padding-left: 15px;
> text-decoration: underline}
>
> (not as tedious as it sounds as I'm using PHP to
> generate the menu). Maybe IE is overruling my rules
> and using the standard settings for links instead?
>
> - Nanna
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Re: SV: Re: [WSG] CSS problems in IE (weird font-size)

[Bert Doorn]

G'day again


Thanks for replying so fast, it didn't work though.
I have assigned each element in my menu a class
either: 


Sounds like overkill to me, but hard to be specific without 
seeing the page.



a.menu {background-color: #FF; color: #0066CC;
text-align: left; text-decoration: bold;
font-family: arial; padding-left: 3px; font-size:
0.85em; text-align: left}


1. Do you have a link with class="menu"?
2. text-decoration:bold is invalid css.
3. text-align:left twice?

Could be IE chokes on the css error at 2 above.


a.menu2 {font-family: arial; color: #0066CC;
font-size: 0.70em;text-align: left;
background-color: #FF; padding-left: 15px;
text-decoration: underline}


That looks better, and should be applied to any link with 
class="menu2" unless something else is overriding it.



(not as tedious as it sounds as I'm using PHP to
generate the menu). 


Careful.  May not be tedious to generate, but if there is a LOT, 
it could be tedious for dial-up users...


> Maybe IE is overruling my rules
> and using the standard settings for links instead?

At the risk of sounding repetitive...  Hard to tell from 
snippets.  If you could put it online somewhere for us to look 
at, we may be able to spot the problem and steer you in the right 
direction.


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RE: [WSG] Accessible disjointed rollover issues - please help!

[Mike Foskett]

 
Hi,

I'm having difficulties creating a standards based, accessible, disjointed 
rollover.

Demo: http://www.websemantics.co.uk/test/procurement/

It works fine in Firefox and Netscape, that's with or without JavaScript.

It even works to 90% in IE v6. Issues:

Without JavaScript: mixing mouse hover and keyboard focus - causes 
overlaying text.

With JavaScript: mixing mouse and keyboard - causes text to disappear 
while using the keyboard.

There's also an issue with tabbing backwards.


Real problems start to manifest in IE v5 and Safari:

Without JavaScript: No text displayed via keyboard or mouse - probably 
because of using #step a:hover span {}

With JavaScript: No text displayed when tabbing with keyboard but okay 
with mouse.


Any help appreciated

Mike 2k:)2



 
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SV: Re: [WSG] CSS problems in IE (weird font-size)

[Nanna B.K.]

> It may, since the content of tables often does not
> inherit font 
> settings on a container element or even the body
> If it has to stay in a table, add a rule in your css
> for that 
> table (give it an id or class) and see if that fixes
> the 
> immediate problem.

Thanks for replying so fast, it didn't work though.
I have assigned each element in my menu a class
either: 

a.menu {background-color: #FF; color: #0066CC;
text-align: left; text-decoration: bold;
font-family: arial; padding-left: 3px; font-size:
0.85em; text-align: left}

or

a.menu2 {font-family: arial; color: #0066CC;
font-size: 0.70em;text-align: left;
background-color: #FF; padding-left: 15px;
text-decoration: underline}

(not as tedious as it sounds as I'm using PHP to
generate the menu). Maybe IE is overruling my rules
and using the standard settings for links instead?

- Nanna
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Re: [WSG] national letters on MAC

[akella]

Tnx to Philippe and Juergen.
It was really useful.
utf of course is the right choice but i was said to use win1251... :(
If i use just the generic one it really helps. I really appreciate it Philippe.
But the surprise is that after i moved this example to another
server(not even changing anything in CSS) everything started to display
ok.
I can judge only from iCapture but all the letters are displaying like they should be.
So im just wondering if there were some problems with Apache encodings?
Nevertheless now its ok.  Philippe was absolutely right about fonts.
On 6/2/05, Philippe Wittenbergh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 1 Jun 2005, at 11:03 pm, akella wrote:> ive got problems with ukrainian(there are like russian but with 3-4> national letters) letters on MAC.>> [...]>> All font-familys(2 of them) looks like this:
> font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif;> font-family:Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;>> If u r interested css is here> http://akella.org.ua/pravda/base.css
> and live example> here> http://akella.org.ua/pravda/>1/ it wouldn't be a bad idea to use UTF-8, I'm not sure if allcharacters are displayed correctly.
2/ you specify a number of fonts in your style sheet; none of thosecontain the glyphs those Cyrillic characters. All browsers on OS Xsubstitute your font-choice with glyphs from another font-family. But
some characters used (line 'i', '?') are included in your specifiedfont-family, and are displayed according to your choice (noticeable inboth Firefox , Safari/Omniweb and Opera).3/ one additional problem in Safari and Opera: the font-family the
browser end up using does not contain *bold* glyphs. The browserdoesn't display the text as bold. Firefox attempts to emulate thebolding on the fly (and the result is - to my eyes -  acceptable forthe latest nightly build, but on Firefox 
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Re: [WSG] CSS problems in IE (weird font-size)

[Bert Doorn]

G'day


Has any one encountered problems with IE when using
CSS style sheets? I'm making a web page with a menu
using tables (which I think might be causing the
problem in the first place) 


It may, since the content of tables often does not inherit font 
settings on a container element or even the body element.


Although it's hard to be specific without seeing the page, best 
thing to so is use a list (ul perhaps) for the menu.


If it has to stay in a table, add a rule in your css for that 
table (give it an id or class) and see if that fixes the 
immediate problem.


Or if you have set the font on the body element, try adding the 
table to that rule there.  The following example assumes your 
menu table has an id of "menu":


body, #menu { font: normal 90%/1.4 Helvetica,sans-serif }

Hope this helps
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[WSG] CSS problems in IE (weird font-size)

[Nanna B.K.]

Hi,

Has any one encountered problems with IE when using
CSS style sheets? I'm making a web page with a menu
using tables (which I think might be causing the
problem in the first place) and for some reason the
font-size is wrong in the menu. It looks all right in
Firefox and Opera, but in IE some of the items get the
right font-size and some don't. There doesn't seem to
be any logic behind which items have the right
font-size. I have validated my html-script so that
shouldn't be the problem. I'm sorry I cannot include
the url as the page isn't online yet. 
Any help is greatly appreciated :)

Cheers, Nanna
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[WSG] TESTING - PLEASE IGNORE!

[designer]

You just couldn't resist, could you!

:-)

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RE: [WSG] FYI: Web Accessibility Engineer position open at W3C/WAI

[Patrick Lauke]

> Geoff Deering

>  From memory, this position has come up time and time again over many 
> years.  I don't know if it has ever been filled.

It has been filled in the past...it used to be Matt May's post before
he recently left the W3C.

Patrick

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[WSG] FYI: Web Accessibility Engineer position open at W3C/WAI

[Geoff Deering]

From memory, this position has come up time and time again over many 
years.  I don't know if it has ever been filled.


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Dear WAI Interest Group Participants:

The Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) at the World Wide Web Consortium 
(W3C) is currently seeking a Web Accessibility Engineer. Please feel free 
to circulate this notice, avoiding cross-postings where possible.


The job description is listed below, and is also available on the MIT/CSAIL 
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WEB ACCESSIBILITY ENGINEER, Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence 
Laboratory, to
ensure that core web technologies support accessibility for people with 
disabilities as part of the World Wide Web Consortium's (W3C) Web 
Accessibility Initiative (WAI). Will assist in developing guidelines, 
techniques, and test suites for authoring tools, browsers, and media 
players; provide staff support to W3C WAI (http://www.w3.org/WAI/) working 
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solutions for accessibility requirements; manage issues lists for comments 
received on working group documents; edit working group documents; and 
maintain working group resource pages. Will also give presentations on 
W3C/WAI technical work, provide technical assistance on implementation of 
WAI guidelines, and liaise with organizations pursuing related work.


REQUIREMENTS: computer science or related degree; a minimum of two years' 
experience working in team settings; and in-depth knowledge of W3C 
technologies and WAI guidelines, including WCAG, ATAG, UAAG, XAG, and EARL. 
Must be familiar with the web industry, accessibility support in mainstream 
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accessibility research community. Excellent oral and written communication 
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