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Re: [WSG] clearfixing

[Rowan Lewis]

Or how about the much simpler more correct method?

http://www.quirksmode.org/css/clearing.html

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 sam sherlock wrote:
 
  intention is to put a minimal size block below a container and have
  other containers flow below that without a great deal of space
  or bumping
 
 
 have you read this?
 http://www.positioniseverything.net/easyclearing.html
 
 hth,
 dwain
 
 
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Re: [WSG] clearfixing

[Ingo Chao]

Rowan Lewis schrieb:

Or how about the much simpler more correct method?

http://www.quirksmode.org/css/clearing.html


the problems the OP had in IE5.5 can get worse when the overflow: hidden
of the simple clearing meets the Holly hack in other bugfixes needed 
in this browser:

http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200502/simple_clearing_of_floats/#comment4236

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Re: [WSG] clearfixing

[Rowan Lewis]

Well, you could use something like 'zoom : 1;' instead, even though it
doesn't validate.

Anyhow, if all else fails, I feel that the hack Dwain linked it is far
worse than adding a little bit of markup and using 'clear : both;'.

On 7/16/05, Ingo Chao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Rowan Lewis schrieb:
  Or how about the much simpler more correct method?
 
  http://www.quirksmode.org/css/clearing.html
 
 the problems the OP had in IE5.5 can get worse when the overflow: hidden
 of the simple clearing meets the Holly hack in other bugfixes needed
 in this browser:
 http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200502/simple_clearing_of_floats/#comment4236
 
 Ingo
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Re: [WSG] clearfixing

[dwain]

Rowan Lewis wrote:

Or how about the much simpler more correct method?

http://www.quirksmode.org/css/clearing.html



is there something wrong with standards mode?

dwain


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[WSG] footer technique

[Kay Smoljak]

Looks like someone has found a mostly-reliable CSS-only solution to
that common footer problem - getting a footer to stick to the bottom
of the viewport no matter how long or short the content is, which
doesn't overlap the content when the window is resized:

Explanation: http://solardreamstudios.com/learn/css/footerstick/
Example: 
http://solardreamstudios.com/_img/learn/css/footerstick/footerstick.html

Apparently it doesn't work in IE5 Mac or Safari. IE5 Mac I can mostly
live without, but Safari is a bit of a bugger. I don't have a Mac here
so I can't test - I'm curious as to whether it can be made to degrade
acceptably. Could someone with a Mac please check the test page?

Thanks!

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Re: [WSG] footer technique

[Joshua Street]

I don't have a Mac either, but supposedly Konqueror and Safari use
similar rendering engines, so I tested in that instead.

It is indeed mildly broken, but certainly acceptable.  The footer will
render at the very bottom of the viewport on page load without any
problems, HOWEVER, if the user subsequently resizes the viewport (to
increase the vertical height), the footer will remain at the bottom most
point at which it last rendered.  This also occurs if the window is
resized upwards (e.g. vertical height is reduced) and then downwards
again (e.g. vertical height is increased/returned to normal size).

Nothing show-stopping.

Having said all that, no guarantees it's exactly the same as Safari...

On Sat, 2005-07-16 at 19:01 +0800, Kay Smoljak wrote:
 Looks like someone has found a mostly-reliable CSS-only solution to
 that common footer problem - getting a footer to stick to the bottom
 of the viewport no matter how long or short the content is, which
 doesn't overlap the content when the window is resized:
 
 Explanation: http://solardreamstudios.com/learn/css/footerstick/
 Example: 
 http://solardreamstudios.com/_img/learn/css/footerstick/footerstick.html
 
 Apparently it doesn't work in IE5 Mac or Safari. IE5 Mac I can mostly
 live without, but Safari is a bit of a bugger. I don't have a Mac here
 so I can't test - I'm curious as to whether it can be made to degrade
 acceptably. Could someone with a Mac please check the test page?
 
 Thanks!
 
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Re: [WSG] footer technique

[Vicki Berry]

Looks perfect to me in Safari 2.0, OS 10.4.2.

Vicki.  :-)

 Kay Smoljak wrote:

Could someone with a Mac please check the test page?

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Re: [WSG] footer technique

[Rick Faaberg]

On 7/16/05 4:01 AM Kay Smoljak [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out:

 Explanation: http://solardreamstudios.com/learn/css/footerstick/
 Example: 
 http://solardreamstudios.com/_img/learn/css/footerstick/footerstick.html
 
 Apparently it doesn't work in IE5 Mac or Safari. IE5 Mac I can mostly
 live without, but Safari is a bit of a bugger. I don't have a Mac here
 so I can't test - I'm curious as to whether it can be made to degrade
 acceptably. Could someone with a Mac please check the test page?

It appears to work in Safari for me (Safari 1.3). Doesn't work in IE 5.2.x -
the footer goes up tight to the content and not down to bottom of viewport.

Rick Faaberg

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Re: [WSG] footer technique

[Rick Faaberg]

On 7/16/05 4:15 AM Rick Faaberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out:

 Apparently it doesn't work in IE5 Mac or Safari. IE5 Mac I can mostly
 live without, but Safari is a bit of a bugger. I don't have a Mac here
 so I can't test - I'm curious as to whether it can be made to degrade
 acceptably. Could someone with a Mac please check the test page?
 
 It appears to work in Safari for me (Safari 1.3). Doesn't work in IE 5.2.x -
 the footer goes up tight to the content and not down to bottom of viewport.

And I meant to add that the IE 5.2.x behavior is most likely an acceptable
graceful degradation.

Hth

Rick Faaberg

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[WSG] help on Vocab improvement

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Hey box,

can any one help me ...!
how to improve my Vocab

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Re: [WSG] footer technique

[Maarten Stolte]

Hello,

Joshua Street wrote:

  I don't have a Mac either, but supposedly Konqueror and Safari use
similar rendering engines, so I tested in that instead.

It is indeed mildly broken, but certainly acceptable.  The footer will
render at the very bottom of the viewport on page load without any
problems, HOWEVER, if the user subsequently resizes the viewport (to
increase the vertical height), the footer will remain at the bottom most
point at which it last rendered.  This also occurs if the window is
resized upwards (e.g. vertical height is reduced) and then downwards
again (e.g. vertical height is increased/returned to "normal" size).

  

Why not just use the technique from Bobby van der Sluis, it works all
the time on dom enabled browsers;
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/footers/

Maarten Stolte 


  Nothing show-stopping.

Having said all that, no guarantees it's exactly the same as Safari...

On Sat, 2005-07-16 at 19:01 +0800, Kay Smoljak wrote:
  
  
Looks like someone has found a mostly-reliable CSS-only solution to
that common footer problem - getting a footer to stick to the bottom
of the viewport no matter how long or short the content is, which
doesn't overlap the content when the window is resized:

Explanation: http://solardreamstudios.com/learn/css/footerstick/
Example: http://solardreamstudios.com/_img/learn/css/footerstick/footerstick.html

Apparently it doesn't work in IE5 Mac or Safari. IE5 Mac I can mostly
live without, but Safari is a bit of a bugger. I don't have a Mac here
so I can't test - I'm curious as to whether it can be made to degrade
acceptably. Could someone with a Mac please check the test page?

Thanks!


  
  

Re: [WSG] footer technique

[Francesco Sanfilippo]

Easy.  I don't rely on Javascript for anything critical.  I would
rather use a layout hack without Javascript.

Francesco


On 7/16/05, Maarten Stolte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Why not just use the technique from Bobby van der Sluis, it works all the
 time on dom enabled browsers;
  http://www.alistapart.com/articles/footers/
  
  Maarten Stolte
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Re: [WSG] clearfixing

[sam sherlock]

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Rowan Lewis wrote:


Or how about the much simpler more correct method?

http://www.quirksmode.org/css/clearing.html



is there something wrong with standards mode?

dwain



thanks to all you sugestions on this 1 - great help

atb  Sam
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