Re: [WSG] Logic?
The border cuts off at bottom of menu, not bottom of content. That don't make sense. Makes a lot of sense. Floated elements don't take up any space in the container (i.e. the container will not contain them). There are several ways to get it working, but this is probably one of the best: http://www.positioniseverything.net/easyclearing.html Prabhath http://nidahas.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Logic?
Please forgive me if I've missed something, but I must respectfully disagree. I've created a number of fixed-width layouts centered within the viewport at 760px, and floated one-column left and the other column right inside a container div without issue. Again, if I've misunderstood the issue and answer my apologies. Kind regards, Mario The border cuts off at bottom of menu, not bottom of content. That don't make sense. Makes a lot of sense. Floated elements don't take up any space in the container (i.e. the container will not contain them). There are several ways to get it working, but this is probably one of the best: http://www.positioniseverything.net/easyclearing.html Prabhath http://nidahas.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Logic?
Thanks Prabhath; All I know is that what Prabhath said worked perfectly for me for this. I almost never make fixed width layouts, just a personal preference is all. Bruce Prochnau BKDesign Solutions From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 2:17 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Logic? Please forgive me if I've missed something, but I must respectfully disagree. I've created a number of fixed-width layouts centered within the viewport at 760px, and floated one-column left and the other column right inside a container div without issue. Again, if I've misunderstood the issue and answer my apologies. Kind regards, Mario The border cuts off at bottom of menu, not bottom of content. That don't make sense. Makes a lot of sense. Floated elements don't take up any space in the container (i.e. the container will not contain them). There are several ways to get it working, but this is probably one of the best: http://www.positioniseverything.net/easyclearing.html Prabhath http://nidahas.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Logic?
Please forgive me if I've missed something, but I must respectfully disagree. I've created a number of fixed-width layouts centered within the viewport at 760px, and floated one-column left and the other column right inside a container div without issue. Yes, I've done it without problems too. But the situation discussed here is different because the container has a border, which should be as tall as the tallest of the content elements inside it. If this tallest element happens to be floated, and that float is *not* cleared *inside* the container, the container will not stretch down to wrap it. If it were not for that border, we could've gone ahead and used a non-wrapping container, and used clear: both for any footer content. cheers, Prabhath http://nidahas.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Logic?
Prabhath, I understand, and I knew there had to be more to it. Respectfully, Mario Please forgive me if I've missed something, but I must respectfully disagree. I've created a number of fixed-width layouts centered within the viewport at 760px, and floated one-column left and the other column right inside a container div without issue. Yes, I've done it without problems too. But the situation discussed here is different because the container has a border, which should be as tall as the tallest of the content elements inside it. If this tallest element happens to be floated, and that float is *not* cleared *inside* the container, the container will not stretch down to wrap it. If it were not for that border, we could've gone ahead and used a non-wrapping container, and used clear: both for any footer content. cheers, Prabhath http://nidahas.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Logic?
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[WSG] Calling all CSS-Savvy Designers
Quote from The Web Standards Project : ** Kevin Lawver, AOL's representative to the CSS Working Group, is making a plea to the design community to give the Working Group feedback on the CSS3 Borders and Backgrounds module . It isn't often one gets the opportunity to help define the tools you'll be using in your job, and this is a golden opportunity. There's quite a thread already started, but really it's nowhere near as exhaustive as one would expect for such a significant request. Let's change that, pronto: add your comments to his post and tell all your friends. We've been waiting a lng time for CSS3. Let's make sure it's worth the wait. I think it's clear why we MUST act on this oportunity. NOW ! Kevin's post is here: http://www.lawver.net/archive/2005/07/18/h16_help_the_css_working_group_with_backgrounds_and_borders.php The Web Standards Project is here: http://www.webstandards.org/ Kevin Lauver website is here: http://www.lawver.net The CSS3 Borders and Backgrounds module is here: http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-css3-background-20050216/
Re: [WSG] Logic?
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Re: [WSG] Newbie Questions: East-Asian Character Sets and Marking-up Poetry
On 8 Aug 2005 at 13:47, Kwok Ting Lee wrote: Anyway, the question I have is (and this may be somewhat off-topic), but how would one go about hiding the Chinese characters for those people who do not have Chinese fonts enabled on their system? I didn't test it, but it should work: With JavaScript it should be possible to check which language the browser has selected (en-GB, de or zh, zh-cn etc.). Then put the chinese text into the noscript-part and an additionally div (with id), so users with deactivated JavaScript see the text. The script-Element should copy the div and manipulate the visibility of it. I have a small javascript with Unicode at my Unicode-Database/Online- tools, Richard Ishida's UniView (http://www.w3.org/People/Ishida/utilities.html) shows also a lot of JavaScript/Unicode-things. Regards Juergen Auer http://www.sql-und-xml.de/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] slop factor-- curing float drops in IE
Bruce
If you don't want your columns to drop down you need to make sure the sum of
the columns widths does not equal more than the width of the container. If
you need a tight layout, it's worth spending some time to establish filters
to deliver special widths to IE.
I believe most people go for the easier slop factor (whether they realize
it or not). Make your columns skinny enough to leave a gutter between the
two columns. For instance, the content div is 770px wide. The maincontent
div is 550px and the sidebar is 200px wide. This gives you 20px for slop
factor. Float the maincontent to the right, the sidebar to the left and
you've got that 20px between them.
Now use the faux column background approach to apply a background image that
visually defines the two columns and you have a fairly simple two column
layout that will behave fairly well.
It's not perfect, nor bullet proof, as you are just ignoring the browser
behaviors and leaving room for misbehavior. But if your layout doesn't
require perfect control, this will do just fine.
Ted
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Subject: [WSG] curing float drops in IE
I am always having trouble with my floats dropping below the container
\s they are being floated against in IE. Other than reducing the
amount of space (since IE adds extra padding I believe), is there a
good way to prevent this from occurring?
for example I have two columns with the css as:
#left_column{/*positioning for left column*/
float:left;
width:310px;
margin-left:15px;
}
#right_column{/*positioning for right column*/
width:448px;
margin-left:360px;
padding-left:10px;
}
and the right column drops down in IE
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[WSG] A web site programming question
I do not know if this is off topic for this list. Just incase please reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you. I am a web site designer that hand codes with EditPlus and like to build header and footer files (basic template(. I am about to start working with an individual that uses FrontPage for web site design. I am not impressed with WYSIWYG editors and FrontPage even less. I am looking at purchaseing DreamWeaver for future web site design. What would be your advice to ensure that everything meets web standards? Angus MacKinnon MacKinnon Crest Saying Latin - Audentes Fortuna Juvat English - Fortune Assists The Daring Choroideremia Research Foundation Inc. 2nd Vice president Choroideremia Research Foundation Canada Inc. 1st Vice President http://www.choroideremia.org ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] A web site programming question
Hi, You should check out the creamweaver task force sit There are a number of adjustments and customisations you'll need to make http://webstandards.org/act/campaign/dwtf/ atb Sam Angus at InfoForce Services wrote: I do not know if this is off topic for this list. Just incase please reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Thank you. I am a web site designer that hand codes with EditPlus and like to build header and footer files (basic template(. I am about to start working with an individual that uses FrontPage for web site design. I am not impressed with WYSIWYG editors and FrontPage even less. I am looking at purchaseing DreamWeaver for future web site design. What would be your advice to ensure that everything meets web standards? Angus MacKinnon MacKinnon Crest Saying Latin - Audentes Fortuna Juvat English - Fortune Assists The Daring Choroideremia Research Foundation Inc. 2nd Vice president Choroideremia Research Foundation Canada Inc. 1st Vice President http://www.choroideremia.org ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] A web site programming question
This is usually off-topic, but I would like to add that WASP has been working with Macromedia and it looks like it has paid off. Macromedia is announcing the new Dreamweaver 8 and it looks like their support for standards-based programming has grown tremendously. The flash movie has a sneak preview and the sample code in the movie, i.e. watch how easy this is to work in the code section... is clean and semantic. So, if you are looking into Dreamweaver, see if you can get the new version. I'm looking forward to upgrading. It would be nice to switch from code to design and actually see the page the way a browser would display a css based web page. http://www.macromedia.com/software/studio/experience/ Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Angus at InfoForce Services Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 10:11 AM To: WSG List Subject: [WSG] A web site programming question I do not know if this is off topic for this list. Just incase please reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you. I am a web site designer that hand codes with EditPlus and like to build header and footer files (basic template(. I am about to start working with an individual that uses FrontPage for web site design. I am not impressed with WYSIWYG editors and FrontPage even less. I am looking at purchaseing DreamWeaver for future web site design. What would be your advice to ensure that everything meets web standards? Angus MacKinnon MacKinnon Crest Saying Latin - Audentes Fortuna Juvat English - Fortune Assists The Daring Choroideremia Research Foundation Inc. 2nd Vice president Choroideremia Research Foundation Canada Inc. 1st Vice President http://www.choroideremia.org ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] A web site programming question
Hi, I've just had a look at the Studio 8 presentation and it looks like Macromedia are really addressing some key issues with coding for CSS. Dreamweaver MX 2004 doesn't render your css layouts at all well. But having said that I use Dreamweaver MX 2005 in code view all the time to develop websites and have been getting on fine. You just have to test in browsers whenever possible. I have to admit I still don't think I would trust the new version of Dreamweaver 100% for testing your layout. I'd still rather test in the usual supects (IE 5.*, 6, FireFOx, Safari, Opera etc) to be on the safe side. Gary Moyle www.webdesigngoldmine.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Angus at InfoForce Services Sent: Mon 08/08/2005 18:11 To: WSG List Subject: [WSG] A web site programming question I do not know if this is off topic for this list. Just incase please reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you. I am a web site designer that hand codes with EditPlus and like to build header and footer files (basic template(. I am about to start working with an individual that uses FrontPage for web site design. I am not impressed with WYSIWYG editors and FrontPage even less. I am looking at purchaseing DreamWeaver for future web site design. What would be your advice to ensure that everything meets web standards? Angus MacKinnon MacKinnon Crest Saying Latin - Audentes Fortuna Juvat English - Fortune Assists The Daring Choroideremia Research Foundation Inc. 2nd Vice president Choroideremia Research Foundation Canada Inc. 1st Vice President http://www.choroideremia.org ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** winmail.dat
[WSG] self-counting list items
Hi All
I've been struggling with the ability to increment nested ordered lists.
I'm trying to update a page that was built with multiple paragraphs that
lead off with b1.1/b...b1.2/b Etc etc
Naturally, I'd like to replace these with
ol
li
li
.
I was looking through the w3c specs and came across this example that seems
to be perfect. But I can't get it to work. Has anyone worked with this
before?
http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/generate.html#scope
12.5.1 Nested counters and scope
Counters are self-nesting, in the sense that re-using a counter in a child
element automatically creates a new instance of the counter. This is
important for situations like lists in HTML, where elements can be nested
inside themselves to arbitrary depth. It would be impossible to define
uniquely named counters for each level.
Example(s):
Thus, the following suffices to number nested list items. The result is very
similar to that of setting 'display:list-item' and 'list-style: inside' on
the LI element:
OL { counter-reset: item }
LI { display: block }
LI:before { content: counter(item) . ; counter-increment: item }
...
The following style sheet numbers nested list items as 1, 1.1, 1.1.1,
etc.
OL { counter-reset: item }
LI { display: block }
LI:before { content: counters(item, .); counter-increment: item }
I'm checking this in firefox on win.
Ted
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Re: [WSG] self-counting list items
On 08/08/05, Drake, Ted C. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was looking through the w3c specs and came across this example that seems to be perfect. But I can't get it to work. Has anyone worked with this before? http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/generate.html#scope Yes. See http://plano.lib.il.us/testing/counters.html It works in Opera 7+. It is supposed to work with the *next* version of Firefox. It does not work in IE. -- T. R. Valentine The only excuse for using IE is ignorance (or testing) (stupidity is a reason, _not_ an excuse). ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] A web site programming question
sam sherlock wrote: You should check out the creamweaver task force sit I know it's probably a typo, but nonetheless creamweaver had me chuckling there for a while... -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Proper IE Hacks
I feel a bit dumb asking this, but there's so much to learn and some
things sink in better than others! Anyway, I've had to do some hacks to
get IE to display my site correctly. Now those hacks are causing my CSS
to not validate. The question is what is the proper way to fix this
predicament? I'd like to put IE hacks in a separate file on import
(ie.css) and leave my current CSS (main.css) hack-free. Or I'd like to
at least know how to correctly use comments. A sample is below and any
help will be greatly appreciated.
body.index #main {
margin-left: 250px;
_margin-left: 245px; /* IE hack */
margin-right: 15px;
_margin-right: 10px; /* IE hack */
background-color: transparent;
}
I have eight areas where the hacks are used. Is it possible to put all
these hacks in a separate file and get my clean CSS back?
IE Hacks CSS:
body.index #main {
_margin-left: 245px;
_margin-right: 10px;
}
Clean CSS:
body.index #main {
margin-left: 250px;
margin-right: 15px;
background-color: transparent;
}
Or is there a better way to do this?
wayne
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Re: [WSG] Proper IE Hacks
Wayne Godfrey wrote: I feel a bit dumb asking this, but there's so much to learn and some things sink in better than others! Anyway, I've had to do some hacks to get IE to display my site correctly. Now those hacks are causing my CSS to not validate. The question is what is the proper way to fix this predicament? [...] Wayne Godfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] One method is to feed styles to good browsers in the usual manner; and feed ie its styles using 'conditional comments.' The good guys get everything but the hacks: style.css link rel=stylesheet href=style.css type=text/css / The evil one gets only the hacks: style-ie.css (note the re-name for this ie file). !--[if lte IE 6] link rel=stylesheet href=style-ie.css type=text/css / ![endif]-- The validator will not see or choke on the 'conditional comments' so you'll validate; and you are good to go when IE7 hits the street. Regards, David Laakso -- David Laakso http://www.dlaakso.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Proper IE Hacks
When using these filters, be careful - IE7 is coming... -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Proper IE Hacks
I use a very simple rule that will allow for CSS validation...
Its the * html selector
IE thinks there's an extra element outside the HTML element...as we
know there isn't. what this means is we can exploit it for our IE
hack. Have a look at the example:
#wrapper { /* all browsers other than IE */
width: 300px;
padding: 0 5px;
}
* html #wrapper { /* ignored by everthing but IE */
width: 310px;
}
I find this the easiest and most simple to keep track of.
HTH
D
On 8/9/05, David Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wayne Godfrey wrote:
I feel a bit dumb asking this, but there's so much to learn and some
things sink in better than others! Anyway, I've had to do some hacks
to get IE to display my site correctly. Now those hacks are causing my
CSS to not validate. The question is what is the proper way to fix
this predicament?
[...]
Wayne Godfrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
One method is to feed styles to good browsers in the usual manner; and
feed ie its styles using 'conditional comments.'
The good guys get everything but the hacks: style.css
link rel=stylesheet href=style.css type=text/css /
The evil one gets only the hacks: style-ie.css (note the re-name for
this ie file).
!--[if lte IE 6]
link rel=stylesheet href=style-ie.css type=text/css
/
![endif]--
The validator will not see or choke on the 'conditional comments' so
you'll validate; and you are good to go when IE7 hits the street.
Regards,
David Laakso
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Re: [WSG] Proper IE Hacks
So my brain has made this entirely too complicated, huh? Can't imagine that! I'm using an @import rule, so my good style sheet would remain the same (sans IE hacks) and I can put only the IE hacks in a file with the conditional comments around it, is that correct? That's so simple. Thanks David, you saved my butt again! wayne Wayne Godfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Aug 8, 2005, at 6:57 PM, David Laakso wrote: Wayne Godfrey wrote: I feel a bit dumb asking this, but there's so much to learn and some things sink in better than others! Anyway, I've had to do some hacks to get IE to display my site correctly. Now those hacks are causing my CSS to not validate. The question is what is the proper way to fix this predicament? [...] Wayne Godfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] One method is to feed styles to good browsers in the usual manner; and feed ie its styles using 'conditional comments.' The good guys get everything but the hacks: style.css link rel=stylesheet href=style.css type=text/css / The evil one gets only the hacks: style-ie.css (note the re-name for this ie file). !--[if lte IE 6] link rel=stylesheet href=style-ie.css type=text/css / ![endif]-- The validator will not see or choke on the 'conditional comments' so you'll validate; and you are good to go when IE7 hits the street. Regards, David Laakso -- David Laakso http://www.dlaakso.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Proper IE Hacks
From: Jan Brasna [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Proper IE Hacks When using these filters, be careful - IE7 is coming... Wise words. Al Sparber PVII http://www.projectseven.com Designing with CSS is sometimes like barreling down a crumbling mountain road at 90 miles per hour secure in the knowledge that repairs are scheduled for next Tuesday. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Newbie Questions: East-Asian Character Sets and Marking-up Poetry
Thanks, everyone. That's a start on figuring out what to do with this. I'll ruminate on it for a bit, do a few tests, maybe let a few of my readers test it out at a test page and then decide how to deploy it on the site. Kwok Ting Lee ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Proper IE Hacks
Hi Al I didn't realize you were on the list. Your web site and coding was an inspiration to me when I first switched to CSS and standards-based design. Thanks Ted www.tdrake.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al Sparber Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 4:23 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Proper IE Hacks From: Jan Brasna [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Proper IE Hacks When using these filters, be careful - IE7 is coming... Wise words. Al Sparber PVII http://www.projectseven.com Designing with CSS is sometimes like barreling down a crumbling mountain road at 90 miles per hour secure in the knowledge that repairs are scheduled for next Tuesday. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Proper IE Hacks
[sniff] You're not alone, Ted. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Drake, Ted C. Sent: Tuesday, 9 August 2005 9:34 AM To: 'wsg@webstandardsgroup.org' Subject: RE: [WSG] Proper IE Hacks Hi Al I didn't realize you were on the list. Your web site and coding was an inspiration to me when I first switched to CSS and standards-based design. Thanks Ted www.tdrake.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Al Sparber Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 4:23 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Proper IE Hacks From: Jan Brasna [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Proper IE Hacks When using these filters, be careful - IE7 is coming... Wise words. Al Sparber PVII http://www.projectseven.com Designing with CSS is sometimes like barreling down a crumbling mountain road at 90 miles per hour secure in the knowledge that repairs are scheduled for next Tuesday. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Proper IE Hacks
From: Webmaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] [sniff] You're not alone, Ted. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Drake, Ted C. Hi Al I didn't realize you were on the list. Your web site and coding was an inspiration to me when I first switched to CSS and standards-based design. Thanks fellas. That's about the warmest welcome I could hope for. -- Al ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Proper IE Hacks
Darren Wood wrote: I use a very simple rule that will allow for CSS validation... Its the * html selector As a side note: - Conditional Comments are IE/Win only (= v5), - the star selector hack works with IE/Mac too. Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Proper IE Hacks
On 9 Aug 2005, at 11:19 am, Wayne Godfrey wrote:
Wouldn't IE for Mac also be influenced by the hacks below?
body.index #main {
margin-left: 250px;
_margin-left: 245px; /* IE hack */
margin-right: 15px;
_margin-right: 10px; /* IE hack */
background-color: transparent;
}
IE 5.0 Mac does indeed read the underscore hack in some cases. Later
releases (5.1, 5.2) ignore it.
The testing I've done on IE Mac seems to be holding most everything
properly, other than a couple of floats adding space below, which I
expected. Does this make the consensus to use David's method: a
separate style sheet for IE? IE confuses the ever-living out of me!
It *is* confusing.
But, yes, a separate stylesheet, loaded via conditional comments is the
most future proof method. Most known IE hacks have been well tested by
know for IE 6 and older. Nobody knows yet what the final release of IE
7 will do.
Philippe
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