Re: [WSG] teaching students developing to web standards
On 9/11/05 6:07 PM Richard Czeiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out: Wasn't this question asked not long ago? Shouldn't people at least try to check the archives first? I sure haven't seen K-12 teachers mentioned here lately (they are a different breed, you know?), but maybe I missed it! ;-) Have a link to a thread in the archive? Thanks! Rick Faaberg ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Valid Null Value
On 11/09/05, Chris Kennon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've discovered that leaving the value blank tabindex=does not invalidate the page, or upset tidy. It does invalidate the page, it's just that the validators aren't catching it. The attribute value must be a number in the range 0 to 32767 to be valid. If you want a value that doesn't have an effect on the tab order, then 0 is a better choice, as that means the element will be navigated in the order it appears in the character stream. Another consideration with tabindex is that it will put the associated element into Opera's tab order. By default, Opera only tabs to form controls, and links are navigated with 'a' and 'q' to cycle forwards and backwards through the links respectively. If anchors are provided with a tabindex attribute, then the tab key also stops at the anchor elements, which means Opera users can't easily differentiate between links and form controls. Obviously, it's valid to provide a tabindex value, and it's arguably Opera's implementation that is wrong, but it's another consideration about the value of tabindex attributes. Best regards, Gez -- _ Supplement your vitamins http://juicystudio.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] IE 5 Mac Conditional Statement
Hi, Does the following statement work in IE5MAC? html body !--[if IE] pI am IE/p ![endif]-- /body /html If so how would I use it to disable a styleSheet that cause this UA to choke? C ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] IE 5 Mac Conditional Statement
Chris Kennon wrote: Hi, Does the following statement work in IE5MAC? html body !--[if IE] pI am IE/Win 5+ /p ![endif]-- /body /html Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] IE 5 Mac Conditional Statement
Chris Kennon wrote:
Does the following statement work in IE5MAC?
!--[if IE]
no.
If so how would I use it to disable a styleSheet that cause this UA
to choke?
You will prevent IE/Mac from seeing styles that are wrapped in an @media
rule (inside the stylesheet itself).
Maybe this is what you want?
@media screen { /* start wrapper */
...entire or part of stylesheet...
(IE/Mac doesn't see any of this)
} /* end wrapper */
OTOH:
@media screen {
/*\*//*/
}
/**/
...styles...
(now IE/Mac will see this)
} /* real end of end wrapper */
More info: http://www.l-c-n.com/IE5tests/hiding/
Georg
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Re: [WSG] IE 5 Mac Conditional Statement
Hi, Then if understanding serves using link element in lieu of an @import would disable the StyleSheet in IE 5 Mac? C On Sep 12, 2005, at 7:21 AM, Thierry Koblentz wrote: Chris Kennon wrote: Hi, Does the following statement work in IE5MAC? html body !--[if IE] pI am IE/Win 5+ /p ![endif]-- /body /html Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Valid Null Value
Hi Gez Can you have multiple tabindex=0 in a document? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gez Lemon Another consideration with tabindex is that it will put the associated element into Opera's tab order. By default, Opera only tabs to form controls, and links are navigated with 'a' and 'q' to cycle forwards and backwards through the links respectively. If anchors are provided with a tabindex attribute, then the tab key also stops at the anchor elements, which means Opera users can't easily differentiate between links and form controls. Obviously, it's valid to provide a tabindex value, and it's arguably Opera's implementation that is wrong, but it's another consideration about the value of tabindex attributes. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Valid Null Value
Hi Ted, On 12/09/05, Drake, Ted C. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you have multiple tabindex=0 in a document? Yes, you can have multiples of any numbers (in the range 0 to 32767). Positive numbers with multiple values are visited in the order they appear in the character stream. Best regards, Gez -- _ Supplement your vitamins http://juicystudio.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] teaching students developing to web standards
You might be able to get some valuable information or at least resources from this link http://www.frank.to/classes2.html
Frank Cronk is the Interface Design professor at the University of
Idaho and my mentor while getting my education there. They have a nice
series of classes targeted at web standards design.On 9/11/05, Rick Faaberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 9/11/05 6:07 PM Richard Czeiger
[EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out: Wasn't this question asked not long ago? Shouldn't people at least try to check the archives first?I sure haven't seen K-12 teachers mentioned here lately (they are a
different breed, you know?), but maybe I missed it! ;-)Have a link to a thread in the archive?Thanks!Rick Faaberg**The discussion list for
http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help
**-- Chris Gandolfo{Designer Standards Advocate}Twelve Horses
Re: [WSG] Web font families
Tom Livingston wrote: Off list replies are welcome on this... Anyone have a resource for what are safe font families for web use? There's got to be more than Arial and Times that are OK to use. Where are we at these days? A place to start: http://www.codestyle.org/css/font-family/sampler-WindowsResults.shtml -- Cast your cares on the Lord and He will sustain you. Psalm 55:22 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Web font families
-Original Message- From: Felix Miata [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 13 September 2005 5:08 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Web font families Tom Livingston wrote: Off list replies are welcome on this... Anyone have a resource for what are safe font families for web use? There's got to be more than Arial and Times that are OK to use. Where are we at these days? A place to start: http://www.codestyle.org/css/font-family/sampler-WindowsResults.shtml I'm surprised to see Times New Roman on only 78% of Windows machines according to that site. Considering it comes as standard installation of Windows this would mean more than 20% of users uninstall Times New Roman? Sounds actually unlikely to me. And Times New Roman is the default font by browsers, if I remember correctly? At least IE's default font. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Web font families
And Times New Roman is the default font by browsers, if I remember correctly? At least IE's default font. I may be wrong (it happened once before ;) ) but I would think that the browser would use the default SYSTEM serif font. Seeing as this (for Windows) is Times New Roman, that's what you'll see on Windows machines... Welcoming feedback from those more 'in the know' Paul ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
