Re: [WSG] Standards based visual design guidelines
Hey, to answer your question, I start with this: http://www.section508.gov/index.cfm?FuseAction=ContentID=12#Web It's Section 508 guidelines for the Web. It's required for US government agencies only, but it's a good recommendation for commercial sites too. Then I follow these guidelines: - colors that contrast well, and still provide contrast for color blind viewers. - text based links / navigation, or a text alternative somewhere on the page if images are used - liquid layouts, not fixed width, is always more visually accessible - inline links that don't just say click here, but wrap the title of the link, i.e. subtle links are more intuitive. an example: aA List Apart /a is a great publication for designers. is actually much better than A List Apart is a great publication for designer. aClick here /a to view it. - avoid backgrounds behind text... i've had people complain about that - use acronyms - add an arrow background image to external links, to show that the link goes outside of your website and some others I can't think of now. The W3C validator has a tip of the day section that shows when you validate a website, and that has some great advice for visual design.
Re: [WSG] Style a parent element based on an id selector of the child element
Can't you make the a fill the entire td? i think it's display:block? then the background of the link will look like it fills the table cell.
[WSG] [Idea] Web designer/developer pool for Open Source projects
Hi all, I'm mooting the idea of having a pool of web designers/developers who have an interest in OpenSource projects to provide voluntary services for creating their web fronts. Most OpenSource projects have zilch-nada budget for marketing and the cheapest avenue is the web. However, as OpenSource projects' scope are often far beyond that of web design and standards, the good folks behind these projects may have no idea of what is a good and effective standards-compliant website. Their websites may just be quick and dirty content that are chockfull of tables, graphic text yadda yadda. No fault of theirs, especially if they're a bunch of systems programmers who previously had no business being on the web. These people need help, and if they ask for it, it'd be good to have a pool of like-minded web pros who are willing to contribute. I got this idea from the concept behind http://www.openusability.org, where a bunch of usability experts created a pool ready to provide their skills to OpenSource projects who register their projects with them. You can surf over to their website to check out their structure and how they provide their services. Why is it important for these guys to get the help they need? A lot of the people behind these projects don't really get the web. They vaguely know it's an ideal publishing avenue but that's about it. All of us here know that it's not just we build it and they'll come. Plus, the fact is that a number of these sites contribute to the proliferation of non-compliant and badly conceptualized websites littering the cyberscape. Heck, even the default theme that ships with Mambo, an OpenSource WEB CMS, uses tables to shoehorn the layout. Obviously, if you have no love for OpenSource, this email wouldn't matter to you. What I'm trying to do at this point is to gather a group of people who do support OpenSource and are willing to contribute some time and resources towards this. No, I don't expect that any of us will be getting paid for this. But I guess if you're into this kinda thing, the philantrophical streak already runs in your blood. Plus there's that little thing called exposure if your particular project hits the limelight. I've made an initial shortlist of services that we can provide: 1) Help them understand the difference between a publicity and developer site for their project. Most of them mix the two up and in a lot of cases this is not the right tack to take. 2) Help them conceptualize a presentable and standards-compliant website. 3) If possible, set them up with (or help them to do so) a simple CMS such that they can do self updates (no, I don't feel that we should be the one doing all the data entry especially when we do not even understand the content and actual scope of the project itself) I'm fine with discussing this off-list if a high volume of folks (or even a single moderator) here find it non-relevant to them. Oh, BTW, the name's Wong. I'm thus far more a lurker than anything else. I'm a web developer based in Malaysia, which I do while trying to be a small-time local OpenSource evangelist as well. Some of the sites to show you what I'm talking about: 1) http://www.slackware.org (table-based) 2) http://www.kanotix.org/ (frames on something as simple as this?!?!?) 3) http://fluxbox.org/version-0.9.php (ah, looks like some thought went into the design itself, but the inner workings are still very old school) Interested parties can either email me privately or here (while the objections have not started). Thanks! Wong Note: A copy of this email is being sent to the Web Design List as well. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] OT: Good Flash development mailing lists/forums
Does anyone know of any good, active and busy, Macromedia Flash development mailing lists or forums? Thanks, Stephen -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.0/103 - Release Date: 15/09/2005 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] OT: Good Flash development mailing lists/forums
Does anyone know of any good, active and busy, Macromedia Flash development mailing lists or forums? Thanks, Stephen dont know if this is o.t. but check out www.flashkit.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Site Check (eStore)
http://www.tjkdesign.com/eStore/ I've put it through a few browsers on PC, but I'm pretty limited on the Mac side... Thanks, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] images in html or css
hello, Just Wondering- Is the img tag still widly used among list members. Should we put as many of the images we can in the css as backgrounds etc. Right now i put most sitewide images in the css and the page by page content in with the img tag. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] images in html or css
G'day Is the img tag still widly used among list members. Should we put as many of the images we can in the css as backgrounds etc. Right now i put most sitewide images in the css and the page by page content in with the img tag. My approach is (generally) that purely decorative images should ideally go in the css as backgrounds. Images with meaning (e.g. photos of products, mugshots of staff, graphs, etc) should be placed in the (x)html via the img element, with appropriate alt attribute. But I am only speaking for myself - others may have a different approach/opinion. Regards -- Bert Doorn, Better Web Design http://www.betterwebdesign.com.au/ Fast-loading, user-friendly websites ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] images in html or css
kvnmcwebn wrote: hello, Just Wondering- Is the img tag still widly used among list members. Should we put as many of the images we can in the css as backgrounds etc. Right now i put most sitewide images in the css and the page by page content in with the img tag. IMG elements should always be used when the image is actual content. Fluff images (flowery borders, an abstract little mood image, etc) should go in the CSS. Don't go overboard in abolishing IMG...just as with tables (for tabular data), there is still a need for them. -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] images in html or css
I agree with Bert! Regards, -- Cláudio Diashttp://www.mundonu.com
Re: [WSG] Site Check (eStore)
Hi, Butterfly.com looks good in Safari 2.0.1, Firefox 1.5.1 Beta, Opera 8.0.2 nav_bar shifts to the left in IE 5.2 in the mac. On Sep 15, 2005, at 7:51 AM, Thierry Koblentz wrote: http://www.tjkdesign.com/eStore/ I've put it through a few browsers on PC, but I'm pretty limited on the Mac side... Thanks, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] images in html or css
On Thu, 2005-09-15 at 16:03 +0100, kvnmcwebn wrote: Is the img tag still widly used among list members. Should we put as many of the images we can in the css as backgrounds etc. Right now i put most sitewide images in the css and the page by page content in with the img tag. I don't think that it should be based on whether it's page-by-page or sitewide, but on whether it's content or decoration. If it's content it should be an img tag, and decoration goes in the CSS. I think it's a faddy thing to put a lot of images in CSS, especially things like site logos like plone.org does, or common icons. It's using CSS like an includes file, to save updating multiple img tags across a site, which I think is a misuse of CSS. Keeping img for content and CSS for style is especially important as techniques like FIR of hiding foreground text and putting images in CSS have problems in accessibility software: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/fir/ .Matthew Cruickshank http://holloway.co.nz/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] images in html or css
techniques like FIR of hiding foreground text and putting images in CSS have problems in accessibility software So the designer should use a smart IR solution. -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Check (eStore)
Looks good on FF, OS10.3.9 The menu tab slides away when the window is resized too small, but it is not likely people will go as far as I did. Love the content! pd On 9/15/05, Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.tjkdesign.com/eStore/ I've put it through a few browsers on PC, but I'm pretty limited on the Mac side... Thanks, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Check (eStore)
Thierry Koblentz wrote: http://www.tjkdesign.com/eStore/ I've put it through a few browsers on PC, but I'm pretty limited on the Mac side... Thanks, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com XP_SP2 IE/Moz/FF/Opera It is an attractive and aesthetically pleasing site, Thierry. The two butterflies hitting the right viewport is a nice touch. That, said-- here comes the nit-picking: -- Extremely difficult to read the content text. There is just not enough contrast. -- The off-red color and the underlined links punch holes in and rip and tear the fabric of the text. -- The page is not working as well as I think you may want at 800 in any of my browsers. The viewport edge butterflies get chopped, difficulty with a sidebar in place, and a slight h-scroll bar in FF. There are some Safari, Mac/IE5.2, Win/2000, and XP screen captures here: http://www.browsercam.com/public.aspx?proj_id=191185 Best, ~dL -- David Laakso http://www.dlaakso.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] images in html or css
Is the img tag still widly used among list members. Should we put as many of the images we can in the css as backgrounds etc. Right now i put most sitewide images in the css and the page by page content in with the img tag. Content goes in the html. Presentation guides for content go in the css. One way to tell if an image is content is to ask yourself these two questions: - With images off, would the user miss it? (yes = it's content) - Will this change if we redesign? (yes = presentation) -- Ben Curtis : webwright bivia : a personal web studio http://www.bivia.com v: (818) 507-6613 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Site Check (eStore)
Hi Thierry If were gonna git nitpicky. I'd clean up this code on the shopping cart: tr valign=top class=altRowOdd tdinput name=lineID2 type=hidden value=59 / label for=qty2a href=details.asp?prodID=72Marbled White/a (023-BAXS)/label br / raquo; Color: Black br / raquo; Size: X-Small /td td class=aligncenter$75.00/td td class=aligncenterinput id=qty2 name=qty2 type=text value=1 size=3 onblur=cleanField(this) //td td class=alignright$75.00/td td class=aligncenter input name=remove type=checkbox class=formCheckbox value=59 //td /tr To: tr (alternating row class inserted with js) td class=colproduct ul liinput name=lineID2 type=hidden value=59 / label for=qty2a href=details.asp?prodID=72Marbled White/a (023-BAXS)/label/li liColor: Black/li liSize: X-Small/li /ul /td td $75.00/td td class=colquantityinput id=qty2 name=qty2 type=text value=1 size=3 onblur=cleanField(this) //td td class=coltotal$75.00/td td class=colremove input name=remove type=checkbox class=formCheckbox value=59 //td /tr Use CSS to define the alignment on the cells, use an unordered list instead of br tags. I like the even/odd rows for tables and divs in this page and the product page. If you are not already using the zebraAll.js script from list member Patrick Lauke, give him a holler. It handles the striping of divs, tables, lists, and more from one script. I've been using it and absolutely love it. Will you be releasing this as a package soon? E-commerce forms are a dime a dozen but there is so little out there that is as well thought-out as this. Nice work. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Laakso Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 8:44 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Site Check (eStore) Thierry Koblentz wrote: http://www.tjkdesign.com/eStore/ I've put it through a few browsers on PC, but I'm pretty limited on the Mac side... Thanks, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Check (eStore)
Hi Ted, If were gonna git nitpicky. I'd clean up this code on the shopping cart: Ouch! I guess I still have more work to do then :) I've started with a commercial (shopping cart) package. Out of the box, the markup doesn't validate, tables are all over the place, deprecated markup, bunch of anchors not in list items, divitis, classitis, no accessibility features, etc. I've cleaned up most of it, but obviously I missed a few things... Not easy to go through the markup inside *lines* of ASP scripts, I did *not* even see the event handler in there ;) (the Admin section shows the type of markup the original SS-Scripts generate). I like the even/odd rows for tables and divs in this page and the product page. If you are not already using the zebraAll.js script from list member Patrick Lauke, give him a holler. It handles the striping of divs, tables, lists, and more from one script. I've been using it and absolutely love it. I prefer to do that Server-Side, but I'll take a look at the JS solution, thanks for the pointer. Will you be releasing this as a package soon? E-commerce forms are a Since it is based on a commercial product, I don't think the license allows me to *resell* it as a package. Even it is *very far* from the original product. ;-( dime a dozen but there is so little out there that is as well thought-out as this. Nice work. Thanks, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] OT: Good Flash development mailing lists/forums
I've been using this one for a couple of years. http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/flashproBeen a bit dorment lately, but the members reply swiftly and are the most professional Flash developers I've come across. RegardsFjellmanOn 9/15/05, kvnmcwebn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know of any good, active and busy, Macromedia Flash developmentmailing lists or forums?Thanks,Stephendont know if this is o.t. butcheck out www.flashkit.com**The discussion list forhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help**
Re: [WSG] Site Check (eStore)
Drake, Ted C. wrote: If were gonna git nitpicky. I'd clean up this code on the shopping cart: I was going to change the markup as you suggested, but then I thought that a list may not be the correct markup for this. Because it would suggest that there are 3 different items when in fact it is one single item followed by options related to it. Don't you think this: Product Name (Reference), Color: Black, Size: X-Small makes more sense than: - Product Name (Reference) - Color: Black - Size: X-Small In the markup, BRs are just used in lieu of the , to make the content of the cell more legible. Best, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] check website
Hi guys, please, check this website http://www.creareconkaterina.com cheers Daniele
Re: [WSG] Site Check (eStore)
A standards Compliant e-solution for future reference: (http://www.zen-cart.com/modules/frontpage/) C On Sep 15, 2005, at 11:13 AM, Thierry Koblentz wrote: Hi Ted, If were gonna git nitpicky. I'd clean up this code on the shopping cart: Ouch! I guess I still have more work to do then :) I've started with a commercial (shopping cart) package. Out of the box, the markup doesn't validate, tables are all over the place, deprecated markup, bunch of anchors not in list items, divitis, classitis, no accessibility features, etc. I've cleaned up most of it, but obviously I missed a few things... Not easy to go through the markup inside *lines* of ASP scripts, I did *not* even see the event handler in there ;) (the Admin section shows the type of markup the original SS-Scripts generate). I like the even/odd rows for tables and divs in this page and the product page. If you are not already using the zebraAll.js script from list member Patrick Lauke, give him a holler. It handles the striping of divs, tables, lists, and more from one script. I've been using it and absolutely love it. I prefer to do that Server-Side, but I'll take a look at the JS solution, thanks for the pointer. Will you be releasing this as a package soon? E-commerce forms are a Since it is based on a commercial product, I don't think the license allows me to *resell* it as a package. Even it is *very far* from the original product. ;-( dime a dozen but there is so little out there that is as well thought-out as this. Nice work. Thanks, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Check (eStore)
Drake, Ted C. wrote: I like using definition lists over paragraphs for their inherit structure and the hooks they provide for CSS. Do you see any reasons to not use a dl? I like DLs too ;) I have 2 or 3 in this site already. But here I don't think it would be the correct markup. Beside that, server-side, it would create a loop inside another loop, not what I'm really after... This is probably making several people on the list grab their forehead and scream ... who cres! ;) Best, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] check website
A few suggestions: 1) The site could fit at 800x600, but the fixed margins make it too large. 2) Consider using text with background images for the menu and footer, instead of images of text. This would reduce file size and make the site useable by people who can't or won't view images. If that isn't an option, at least provide alt attributes for the images that contain text. 3) I'd recommend replacing multiple br / tags with margins or padding. 4) You have more than one element with the ID cent. Use classes instead, and your site will validate. 5) Use headings such as h1 and h2 instead of symantically empty elements such as div id=header ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] check website
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, please, check this website http://www.creareconkaterina.com Hi Daniele, You have more than *140kb* of images on this page... IMHO, you should try to reduce that... Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] images in html or css
I find that centralizing images in css is useful for maintainability. However, if page load time is an issue, it's a good idea to stress test the site with both images in html and css. when they're in html, the height and width tells the browser how big the image is which helps it load a little faster and you can use preload scripts that you can't use for background-images. Of course you can get fancy with squid or some other caching engine, but even though browsers cache the stylesheet, they do not cache the images linked from the stylesheet so caching is a little more work. ymmv -chris ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Content that jumps
Title: Message Hi all, I have this page with 3 columns, for some reason the divs jump when the page is loaded. I checked if the HTML is valid, and it is. Anybody any idea on this? http://testing.icanmls.pacificfox.com I am looking at it in IE6 by the way. Thanks, Taco Fleur - Pacific Foxan industry leader with commercial IT experience since 1994 http://www.pacificfox.com
RE: [WSG] Content that jumps
Title: Message The content has stopped jumping, haven't changed anything in the structure. Has anyone seen anything like this before? Taco Fleur - Pacific Foxan industry leader with commercial IT experience since 1994 http://www.pacificfox.com -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Taco Fleur - Pacific FoxSent: Friday, 16 September 2005 11:25 AMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: [WSG] Content that jumps Hi all, I have this page with 3 columns, for some reason the divs jump when the page is loaded. I checked if the HTML is valid, and it is. Anybody any idea on this? http://testing.icanmls.pacificfox.com I am looking at it in IE6 by the way. Thanks, Taco Fleur - Pacific Foxan industry leader with commercial IT experience since 1994 http://www.pacificfox.com
Re: [WSG] Content that jumps
Taco Fleur - Pacific Fox wrote: The content has stopped jumping, haven't changed anything in the structure. Has anyone seen anything like this before? Yup. I've found that the content gets really tired from jumping after a while and stops. Usually it takes a few hours solid jumping for it to get that tired. It may start again after a good night's sleep though :) Mike ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Content that jumps
There is nothing to see. I am on IE 6 and get a blank page with the following HTML in it. !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//ENHTMLHEADMETA http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=utf-8/HEADBODY/BODY/HTML And. it takes AGES to come back with that response. On 9/16/05, Taco Fleur - Pacific Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The content has stopped jumping, haven't changed anything in the structure. Has anyone seen anything like this before? Taco Fleur - Pacific Foxan industry leader with commercial IT experience since 1994 … http://www.pacificfox.com -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Taco Fleur - Pacific Fox Sent: Friday, 16 September 2005 11:25 AMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: [WSG] Content that jumps Hi all, I have this page with 3 columns, for some reason the divs jump when the page is loaded. I checked if the HTML is valid, and it is. Anybody any idea on this? http://testing.icanmls.pacificfox.com I am looking at it in IE6 by the way. Thanks, Taco Fleur - Pacific Foxan industry leader with commercial IT experience since 1994 … http://www.pacificfox.com
[WSG] Help with IE giving me a big white space
Hello Any help would be appreciated http://learnline.cdu.edu.au/wip/hit111/ renders fine in Firefox Has a big white block under my utilities at the top in IE6 Please help as I just can't figure this out. Thank you :) Helen *** Helen Rysavy Web Designer Teaching Learning Development Group Charles Darwin University, Northern Territory 0909 Tel: 8946 7779 Mobile: 0403 290 842 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] CRICOS Provider No: 00300K *** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Content that jumps
Title: Message that's weird, comes up for me through megaproxy.com Taco Fleur - Pacific Foxan industry leader with commercial IT experience since 1994 http://www.pacificfox.com -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary MenzelSent: Friday, 16 September 2005 1:49 PMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: Re: [WSG] Content that jumps There is nothing to see. I am on IE 6 and get a blank page with the following HTML in it. !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"HTMLHEADMETA http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=utf-8"/HEADBODY/BODY/HTML And. it takes AGES to come back with that response. On 9/16/05, Taco Fleur - Pacific Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The content has stopped jumping, haven't changed anything in the structure. Has anyone seen anything like this before? Taco Fleur - Pacific Foxan industry leader with commercial IT experience since 1994 http://www.pacificfox.com -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Taco Fleur - Pacific Fox Sent: Friday, 16 September 2005 11:25 AMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: [WSG] Content that jumps Hi all, I have this page with 3 columns, for some reason the divs jump when the page is loaded. I checked if the HTML is valid, and it is. Anybody any idea on this? http://testing.icanmls.pacificfox.com I am looking at it in IE6 by the way. Thanks, Taco Fleur - Pacific Foxan industry leader with commercial IT experience since 1994 http://www.pacificfox.com
RE: [WSG] Content that jumps
Cheers, I'll give that a go, it's in there now, would you mind having
another look at it?
thanks
Taco Fleur - Pacific Fox
an industry leader with commercial IT experience since 1994 .
http://www.pacificfox.com
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, 16 September 2005 1:45 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [WSG] Content that jumps
Good evening Taco,
It's still occurring in FF, and I've heard it referred to as
the 2 pixel push, therefore place the following rule at the
top of your main CSS file:
html
{height: 100%;
margin-bottom: 1px;}
Kind regards,
Mario
The content has stopped jumping, haven't changed anything in the
structure. Has anyone seen anything like this before?
Taco Fleur - Pacific Fox
an industry leader with commercial IT experience since 1994 .
http://www.pacificfox.com http://www.pacificfox.com/
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Taco Fleur -
Pacific Fox
Sent: Friday, 16 September 2005 11:25 AM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] Content that jumps
Hi all,
I have this page with 3 columns, for some reason the divs jump when
the page is loaded. I checked if the HTML is valid, and it is.
Anybody any idea on this?
http://testing.icanmls.pacificfox.com
I am looking at it in IE6 by the way.
Thanks,
Taco Fleur - Pacific Fox
an industry leader with commercial IT experience since 1994 .
http://www.pacificfox.com http://www.pacificfox.com/
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Re: [WSG] check website
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : A few suggestions: 1) The site could fit at 800x600, but the fixed margins make it too large. 2) Consider using text with background images for the menu and footer, instead of images of text. This would reduce file size and make the site useable by people who can't or won't view images. If that isn't an option, at least provide alt attributes for the images that contain text. 3) I'd recommend replacing multiple br / tags with margins or padding. 4) You have more than one element with the ID cent. Use classes instead, and your site will validate. 5) Use headings such as h1 and h2 instead of symantically empty elements such as div id=header Thanks a lot :)) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
