Re: [WSG] Calendars and tables

2007-09-21 Thread Angel Martin Alganza
On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 12:19:07PM -0400, Andrew Maben wrote:
 
> So what about an entire year? Is a table of tables permissible? Or  
> should one somehow cram all the information into a single table?

I would do exactly the opposite as the other person who has answered
this post (Diego); maybe because I haven't written a table-less month
calendar. :-)

I agree with what you've said about months being properly marked up as
tabular data (therefore using a table), but months I would mark as a
list.  You can present it using CSS on rows, of course, but they won't
stop being a list of twelve items (months).

Angel

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Re: [WSG] Web Design Test - IE Users

2007-09-21 Thread Joseph Taylor
Thanks for the feedback everyone, the items you mention (all caps on 
text, html errors on search form) are all out of my control.  This 
content is scraped from pages of a circa 1999 frames-based frontpage 
site (yuck!) I try to clean the html best I can with some php 
(preg_replace, str_replace, etc) but ultimately I have to step back in 
the hopes that the parent company's site will get a cleanup (never gonna 
happen).


Thanks again,

Joseph R. B. Taylor
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Robert O'Rourke wrote:

Joseph Taylor wrote:

Hey everyone!

I wanted some of you windows users to test out this site if you'd be 
so kind on your IE browsers.


http://steveframe.sitesbyjoe.com

Please let me know if there are any layout issues you encounter 
(float drops etc)


Some pages won't validate because I'm scraping the table-laden 
content from the parent company's awful, though I try to clean them 
up somewhat (sales and rental search).


I noticed a couple heading issues on my old win2k server, but it has 
an odd resolution and things look as horrible as they possibly could...


Thanks in advance!



Very nice Mr Taylor,

One section that needs some attention is the search form, there's 
about 15 errors that HTML Tidy caught that are producng some odd 
effects (s in the ?). Once you have that validated it 
should start to look more consistent cross-browser, let us know once 
you've done that. Also this little snippet will prevent the dropdown 
button from overlapping the text in the options on the dropdowns:


option { padding-right: 0.5em; }

Cheers,
Rob


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Re: [WSG] Web Design Test - IE Users

2007-09-21 Thread Robert O'Rourke

Joseph Taylor wrote:

Hey everyone!

I wanted some of you windows users to test out this site if you'd be 
so kind on your IE browsers.


http://steveframe.sitesbyjoe.com

Please let me know if there are any layout issues you encounter (float 
drops etc)


Some pages won't validate because I'm scraping the table-laden content 
from the parent company's awful, though I try to clean them up 
somewhat (sales and rental search).


I noticed a couple heading issues on my old win2k server, but it has 
an odd resolution and things look as horrible as they possibly could...


Thanks in advance!



Very nice Mr Taylor,

One section that needs some attention is the search form, there's about 
15 errors that HTML Tidy caught that are producng some odd effects (/>s in the ?). Once you have that validated it should start to 
look more consistent cross-browser, let us know once you've done that. 
Also this little snippet will prevent the dropdown button from 
overlapping the text in the options on the dropdowns:


option { padding-right: 0.5em; }

Cheers,
Rob


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RE: [WSG] Web Design Test - IE Users

2007-09-21 Thread Crocker Ryan (rc)
Looks great Joe. I took a glance in IE6 and there dosent seem to be any
layout issues that I can see. 


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Subject: [WSG] Web Design Test - IE Users

Hey everyone!

I wanted some of you windows users to test out this site if you'd be so 
kind on your IE browsers.

http://steveframe.sitesbyjoe.com

Please let me know if there are any layout issues you encounter (float 
drops etc)

Some pages won't validate because I'm scraping the table-laden content 
from the parent company's awful, though I try to clean them up somewhat 
(sales and rental search).

I noticed a couple heading issues on my old win2k server, but it has an 
odd resolution and things look as horrible as they possibly could...

Thanks in advance!

Joseph R. B. Taylor
-
Sites by Joe, LLC
"Keep it Clean, Simple & Elegant"
(609) 335-3076
http://sitesbyjoe.com
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Re: [WSG] Element suggestion requested

2007-09-21 Thread Rick Lecoat
On 21/9/07 (10:39) Nick said:

>Agreed that a heading doesn't really make much sense in this context.  
>Why not a  rather than a ? That goes some way to addressing  
>the semantics of a list of statements, which is basically what this is.

I the end, Nick, I plumped for a  tag; it gives some semantic
weight to the list item without implying a hierarchical structure. It's
semantically ambiguous content, really, and I suspect that several tags
*could* be pressed into service, so I'm not going to worry about it too
much. I think that the most important aspect was defining it as a list;
the secondary tag (strong) is less important IMHO.

Also, this is destined for an intranet CMS that seems to view semantics
and web standards largely as curiosities from the future to be marvelled
over and then entirely ignored. Still, that's no reason for me not make
the effort. (Their limited set up pull-down formatting options lacks
 yet still includes . Ugh).

Thanks to everyone for your invaluable for your suggestions.
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Re: [WSG] Web Design Test - IE Users

2007-09-21 Thread David Laakso

Joseph Taylor wrote:

Hey everyone!

I wanted some of you windows users to test out this site if you'd be 
so kind on your IE browsers.


http://steveframe.sitesbyjoe.com


Joseph R. B. Taylor




IE6 and IE7 on Parallels/Mac

It looked fine to me and I saw no serious issues, Joseph. 800 resolution 
users might object to the h-scroll bar. The paragraphs of uppercase text 
are difficult to read. With font-scaling, the sub-page main headings 
stack too tight (easier to see at +3 in a compliant browser).


Best,

~dL

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Re: [WSG] Element suggestion requested

2007-09-21 Thread Nick Fitzsimons

On 20 Sep 2007, at 20:55, Rick Lecoat wrote:


On 20/9/07 (15:21) Nick said:


Was there any particular reason not to have the h2 elements in the li
elements, rather than placing them in a div?


Um... a brain seizure of some sort I think. I somehow had it in my  
head
that block-level items are not permitted inside list items, which  
is of

course nonsense.

But to be honest, even with the ability to put almost any tag  
inside an

, I still don't feel like a heading is the right one. These aren't
headings, after all. And a span probably isn't the right one  
either, but

I chose it because its semantically neutral. These values should have
some weight given to them, but H2 implies a hierarchical structure  
that

is not there.


Agreed that a heading doesn't really make much sense in this context.  
Why not a  rather than a ? That goes some way to addressing  
the semantics of a list of statements, which is basically what this is.


Regards,

Nick.
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