Re: [WSG] Is it still necessary to encode ampersands?
Hi Dan, As far as I'm aware, this is still necessary. However, if you're doing a huge replacement of to amp; you can use BBEdit or (the free version) Text Wrangler to find and replace over multiple files. (However this program is only available on the mac--I'm not sure if Windows/Linux has a similar application.) If you need a hand with using BBEdit/Text Wrangler, feel free to drop me a line :) Cheers, Jelina On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Dan Webb libweb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, Years ago, I use to painstakingly and religiously convert to amp; when ever I encountered it (HTML 4.01 Strict doctype). It's still pegged as invalid by the W3C validator, but is it really still necessary these days? What could possibly go wrong in modern browsers? I'm talking specifically here about ampersands in URLs that are provided to me by database vendors, which I have no control over; I'm about to start inserting literally 100s of them into static html pages. thanks, danny boy. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Is it still necessary to encode ampersands?
On 25 Jun 2010, at 06:39, Dan Webb wrote: Years ago, I use to painstakingly and religiously convert to amp; when ever I encountered it (HTML 4.01 Strict doctype). It's still pegged as invalid by the W3C validator, but is it really still necessary these days? Yes What could possibly go wrong in modern browsers? * Your ampersand might be followed by a genuine entity name. copy is a good one to have as a field name in a form. * Your pile of validity errors might obscure, by weight of numbers, another screw up on the part of the author that some browsers can't recover from. I'm talking specifically here about ampersands in URLs that are provided to me by database vendors, which I have no control over; I'm about to start inserting literally 100s of them into static html pages. If they are giving you URLs (as opposed to fragments of HTML with errors in them) then the solution is simple - use a tool more powerful than a simple text editor. If not, then run the documents through a fix up script (like HTML Tidy), then for a link check over the results, and hope that they aren't returning 200 OKs for any pages which had real entities in them in the first place. -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Is it still necessary to encode ampersands?
Notepad++ is a good free editor for Windows that should work for this. On 25 June 2010 15:54, Jelina Korhecz jelina.korh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Dan, As far as I'm aware, this is still necessary. However, if you're doing a huge replacement of to amp; you can use BBEdit or (the free version) Text Wrangler to find and replace over multiple files. (However this program is only available on the mac--I'm not sure if Windows/Linux has a similar application.) If you need a hand with using BBEdit/Text Wrangler, feel free to drop me a line :) Cheers, Jelina On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Dan Webb libweb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, Years ago, I use to painstakingly and religiously convert to amp; when ever I encountered it (HTML 4.01 Strict doctype). It's still pegged as invalid by the W3C validator, but is it really still necessary these days? What could possibly go wrong in modern browsers? I'm talking specifically here about ampersands in URLs that are provided to me by database vendors, which I have no control over; I'm about to start inserting literally 100s of them into static html pages. thanks, danny boy. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Is it still necessary to encode ampersands?. ANSWERED.
Thanks Jelina and David for prompt replies. I'll continue to do encode them. cheers, dan. Jelina wrote: As far as I'm aware, this is still necessary. (etc) David wrote: Yes (etc) On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 3:39 PM, I wrote: Hi folks, Years ago, I use to painstakingly and religiously convert to amp; when ever I encountered it (HTML 4.01 Strict doctype). It's still pegged as invalid by the W3C validator, but is it really still necessary these days? What could possibly go wrong in modern browsers? I'm talking specifically here about ampersands in URLs that are provided to me by database vendors, which I have no control over; I'm about to start inserting literally 100s of them into static html pages. thanks, danny boy. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Is it still necessary to encode ampersands?
On Fri, 25 Jun 2010, Jelina Korhecz wrote: Hi Dan, As far as I'm aware, this is still necessary. However, if you're doing a huge replacement of to amp; you can use BBEdit or (the free version) Text Wrangler to find and replace over multiple files. (However this program is only available on the mac--I'm not sure if Windows/Linux has a similar application.) Linux (or any Unix system) has many tools to do the job: sed, awk, or any decent text editor. On GNU/Linux, for example: sed -i -e 's/amp;/\/g' -e 's//\amp;' *html If you need a hand with using BBEdit/Text Wrangler, feel free to drop me a line :) On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Dan Webb libweb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, Years ago, I use to painstakingly and religiously convert to amp; when ever I encountered it (HTML 4.01 Strict doctype). It's still pegged as invalid by the W3C validator, but is it really still necessary these days? What could possibly go wrong in modern browsers? I'm talking specifically here about ampersands in URLs that are provided to me by database vendors, which I have no control over; I'm about to start inserting literally 100s of them into static html pages. -- Chris F.A. Johnson, http://cfajohnson.com Author: Pro Bash Programming: Scripting the GNU/Linux Shell (2009, Apress) Shell Scripting Recipes: A Problem-Solution Approach (2005, Apress) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Is it still necessary to encode ampersands?. ANSWERED.
Thanks to nedlud and Chris too. Just to be clear, and to save others who might be offering editing suggestions .. I did just want to know if it's still necessary to do the encoding, I don't require help with the conversion, I have that under control. And it's not necessary anyway. The task is to insert 100s of instances of the (almost) same URL which contains ampersands; just one part of the URL needs to be different for each item it belongs to, so it's not a simple find/replace job. cheers, dan. On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Dan Webb libweb...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Jelina and David for prompt replies. I'll continue to do encode them. cheers, dan. Jelina wrote: As far as I'm aware, this is still necessary. (etc) David wrote: Yes (etc) On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 3:39 PM, I wrote: Hi folks, Years ago, I use to painstakingly and religiously convert to amp; when ever I encountered it (HTML 4.01 Strict doctype). It's still pegged as invalid by the W3C validator, but is it really still necessary these days? What could possibly go wrong in modern browsers? I'm talking specifically here about ampersands in URLs that are provided to me by database vendors, which I have no control over; I'm about to start inserting literally 100s of them into static html pages. thanks, danny boy. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Is it still necessary to encode ampersands?
I just had problems with ampersands in google static maps, where if placing multiple pins in 1 map I had to change markers= to amp;markers=, otherwise wouldn't work at all MM On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 7:39 AM, Dan Webb libweb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, Years ago, I use to painstakingly and religiously convert to amp; when ever I encountered it (HTML 4.01 Strict doctype). It's still pegged as invalid by the W3C validator, but is it really still necessary these days? What could possibly go wrong in modern browsers? I'm talking specifically here about ampersands in URLs that are provided to me by database vendors, which I have no control over; I'm about to start inserting literally 100s of them into static html pages. thanks, danny boy. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- -- Ing. Michal Mikšík web designer/developer Bratislava, SLOVAK REPUBLIC Web: http://moonpixel.com Please consider the environment before printing this email. This E-mail is Intended Solely for the Addressee(s) and May be Confidential. - If you are not the named addressee, or if the message has been E-mailed to you in error, you must not read, disclose, reproduce, distribute or use this E-mail. - Delivery of this E-mail to any person other than the named addressee is not intended in any way to waive confidentiality. - If you have received this E-mail in error please contact the sender or delete the message, thank you. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Is it still necessary to encode ampersands?
Besides ampersands, I worked on a dynamic site that the convention was to add a (+) sign in the friendly URL. The plug takes the page title and puts the (+) sign between words. The W3C validator tells me to convert to amp; and produces 163 errors per page, a site that validated up to the point of the friendly URL was added. There are also URLs to searches that don't validate for other reasons. I work as part of a team and had no say in the decision. So now, if I ask for help on certain email lists, and all I get is that your page doesn't validate. I no longer get any help for the question I ask which has nothing to do with why the page isn't validating. As more and more pages are generated dynamically with CMS in place, using friendly URL's or using markers as described below, should this be something the the W3C validator addresses? Nancy On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 1:58 AM, Michal Miksik mmik...@gmail.com wrote: I just had problems with ampersands in google static maps, where if placing multiple pins in 1 map I had to change markers= to amp;markers=, otherwise wouldn't work at all MM On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 7:39 AM, Dan Webb libweb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, Years ago, I use to painstakingly and religiously convert to amp; when ever I encountered it (HTML 4.01 Strict doctype). It's still pegged as invalid by the W3C validator, but is it really still necessary these days? What could possibly go wrong in modern browsers? I'm talking specifically here about ampersands in URLs that are provided to me by database vendors, which I have no control over; I'm about to start inserting literally 100s of them into static html pages. thanks, danny boy. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- -- Ing. Michal Mikšík web designer/developer Bratislava, SLOVAK REPUBLIC Web: http://moonpixel.com Please consider the environment before printing this email. This E-mail is Intended Solely for the Addressee(s) and May be Confidential. - If you are not the named addressee, or if the message has been E-mailed to you in error, you must not read, disclose, reproduce, distribute or use this E-mail. - Delivery of this E-mail to any person other than the named addressee is not intended in any way to waive confidentiality. - If you have received this E-mail in error please contact the sender or delete the message, thank you. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Is it still necessary to encode ampersands?
I really don't see how having seo friendly urls changes things. I would sugest that before you made the seo friendly urls that you may have had .html in the extension so that the validator knew how to validate the page. Perhaps you are missing something similar to: !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd; html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; xml:lang=en lang=en On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Nancy Johnson njohnso...@gmail.comwrote: Besides ampersands, I worked on a dynamic site that the convention was to add a (+) sign in the friendly URL. The plug takes the page title and puts the (+) sign between words. The W3C validator tells me to convert to amp; and produces 163 errors per page, a site that validated up to the point of the friendly URL was added. There are also URLs to searches that don't validate for other reasons. I work as part of a team and had no say in the decision. So now, if I ask for help on certain email lists, and all I get is that your page doesn't validate. I no longer get any help for the question I ask which has nothing to do with why the page isn't validating. As more and more pages are generated dynamically with CMS in place, using friendly URL's or using markers as described below, should this be something the the W3C validator addresses? Nancy On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 1:58 AM, Michal Miksik mmik...@gmail.com wrote: I just had problems with ampersands in google static maps, where if placing multiple pins in 1 map I had to change markers= to amp;markers=, otherwise wouldn't work at all MM On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 7:39 AM, Dan Webb libweb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks, Years ago, I use to painstakingly and religiously convert to amp; when ever I encountered it (HTML 4.01 Strict doctype). It's still pegged as invalid by the W3C validator, but is it really still necessary these days? What could possibly go wrong in modern browsers? I'm talking specifically here about ampersands in URLs that are provided to me by database vendors, which I have no control over; I'm about to start inserting literally 100s of them into static html pages. thanks, danny boy. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- -- Ing. Michal Mikšík web designer/developer Bratislava, SLOVAK REPUBLIC Web: http://moonpixel.com Please consider the environment before printing this email. This E-mail is Intended Solely for the Addressee(s) and May be Confidential. - If you are not the named addressee, or if the message has been E-mailed to you in error, you must not read, disclose, reproduce, distribute or use this E-mail. - Delivery of this E-mail to any person other than the named addressee is not intended in any way to waive confidentiality. - If you have received this E-mail in error please contact the sender or delete the message, thank you. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Is it still necessary to encode ampersands?
On 25 Jun 2010, at 12:32, Nancy Johnson wrote: Besides ampersands, I worked on a dynamic site that the convention was to add a (+) sign in the friendly URL. The plug takes the page title and puts the (+) sign between words. This is fine. A plus just means a space. in a form encoded URL. The W3C validator tells me to convert to amp; and produces 163 errors per page, a site that validated up to the point of the friendly URL was added. There are also URLs to searches that don't validate for other reasons. It will tell you that something is an error. It won't tell you that a + is though. I work as part of a team and had no say in the decision. Sounds like a badly managed team. So now, if I ask for help on certain email lists, and all I get is that your page doesn't validate. I no longer get any help for the question I ask which has nothing to do with why the page isn't validating. This is fair. You ask for free support, but provide test data that doesn't pass basic, automated QA tests. It doesn't really motivate people to help. (BTW, if you really have to work in such a poor environment, you can produce a reduced test case and ask people to help with that instead of your original (invalid) page) As more and more pages are generated dynamically with CMS in place, using friendly URL's or using markers as described below, should this be something the the W3C validator addresses? No, it should be something the CMSs address. There is absolutely no reason for them not to run non-HTML data through X before inserting it into a document. (Where X is http://search.cpan.org/perldoc?HTML::Entities or http://php.net/htmlspecialchars or whatever is the usual tool for the language the CMS is using). A CMS doesn't even have one of the favourite excuses of the hand crafter — it isn't a lot of manual work! -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
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