RE: [WSG] Converting the heathen: never again
Time to name names. I would like to avoid the ISP you talk about. Wich company is it? :) Giles ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Check boxes ticked (UK Law)
Paul, I think you are way off topic here. If you want to contact me directly I'd be happy to help [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Paul CollinsSent: 30 January 2006 15:33To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: [WSG] Check boxes ticked (UK Law) Hello all I recall reading somewhere a while back that UK law states you can't have a check box ticked on a form EG- "untick this box if you don't want to receive emails" would beillegal for a UK site. Could anyone tell me if I'm right or wrong and if possible give me some credible links to back this up?Thanks heaps, Paul Collins
[WSG] news scroller and standards
I have a client who is insisting on having a newscroller on his front page. While there are many options, Java, Flash, DHTML, open to me to fulfil the scroller request I just wondered what anyone felt was the most standards compatible solution? Many thanks ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] news scroller and standards
Thanks The Visual Process. As pointed out already there are plenty of Javascript options which are standards compliant, try google. However scrollers look horrible, you may want to go for something like not only is it easier to read than scrolling text it looks better overall. I couldn't agree with you more. It's why I said the my client is insisting on I have tried to talk him out of it and still have hopes that I may win. Do you have any idea of a similar system to the Beeb's. As a last resort alternative I could put that to him. Giles ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] newspaper format
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: You should avoid presentational class names. May be overkill, but possibly opt for something like class=firstsection Just a quick question; Why should you avoid presentational class names? Giles ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Web Standards Eye Candy: http://www.scottschiller.com/
As I understand it the technology is entirely practical. It is XHTML, DHTML and java script driven, IMHO a huge step forward from Flash. If you are in any doubt about this man's dedication have a look at http://www.schillmania.com it is an eyeopener. Giles -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Scott Villarosa Sent: 12 November 2004 09:34 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] Web Standards Eye Candy: http://www.scottschiller.com/ you know, that site is good (even though personally i don't like the look)... but i must say... how practical is the technology used given today's market? just a thought. snaps for the guy's effort though. scott -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Lo Sent: Friday, 12 November 2004 7:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] Web Standards Eye Candy: http://www.scottschiller.com/ Smells like Flash but isn't: http://www.scottschiller.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] web essentials briefing/ euro event
I agree Mark, While I would love to have the excuse to go to Sydney its a bit of a longshot and I dont think anyone will believe me. However, your thoughts on a UK/North European event. I would be happy to take that further. Aynone interested in becoming involved care to email me offline and we can discuss bringing a standards event to Europe. Regards Giles [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Splash!PR Marketing Windmill Oast Benenden Road, Rolvenden Kent TN17 4PF t: 01580 241177 f: 01580 241188 THIS MESSAGE MAY BE CONFIDENTIAL: if received by you in error, I apologise - please tell me and delete the message ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] IE print bug crashes page
Gavin, Yep I had the problem on a page on a site and I seem to remember it was something to do with the !doctype declaration: In my case I had managed to miss it off the offending page. Bloody frustrating and hard to find when all the other pages were OK. Regards Giles -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gavin Cooney Sent: 12 August 2004 04:56 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] IE print bug crashes page Hi all, I've got a page that when someone tries to print it in IE 6 on windows, it crashes the browser. There's nothing fancy in it, and i've stripped it down so i know the problem only happens when something is the second line of the table. Any ideas what's going on? Regards Gav ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Thanks Ben
Ben, Sorry no direct email, but reply much appreciated. Will bugger off and look at floating. Giles -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ben Bishop Sent: 06 August 2004 03:45 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Problem with IE 5 Hi Giles, but when using IE 5 the headlins in the main body slip under the nav bar. Is there a quick hack for this or have I made a fundamental cock-up at the outset with my code? It's all you :) I'm guessing the reason IE5 hides your headings is the top:1px; in your #centreblock. When you absolutely position something, it's positioned in relation to its containing block. The browser is positioning this div 1 pixel from the top of the body and your header sits over it thanks to its higher z-index value. Looking at your document structure, consider using floats instead of absolute positioning. These two tutorials by Russ might float your boat: http://css.maxdesign.com.au/floatutorial/tutorial0901.htm http://www.maxdesign.com.au/presentation/process/index_step05.cfm Regards, Ben ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] font size question
The style refers to the font size and the line-height. It reflects the
traditional printing sizing of text which was type size and leading ie
9/10pt Times.
Regards
giles
I've been looking at some sites to see how they determine their font size.
em, keyword, px, ...
So, I looked at the following sites and noticed a new tag (for me) in the
body
Zeldman
font: small/1.4
Eric Meyers
body {font: 0.84em/1.3
Mezzoblue
font: 12px/19px
How is the split font size being used.
Thanks
Ted
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RE: [WSG] Action to force browser developers to clean up their act
Let me be quite clear I was NOT having a go at IE. While I do have issues with it, that was NOT the point of the post. I quite explicitly said we have to live with that. I also deliberately kept all references to specific browsers out of the post, except for the aside about IE. What my suggestion was, was that as a group (web desingers/devlopers) we could, if there was the political will, have some influence on the future development of browsers. If no one is interested fine. I am quite sanguine about the variants out their currently, but if as a community we declared a set of preferred browsers and did everything we could to promote those then we could have a real effect on the future. Finally, I thought I had also made it clear that the post was tongue in cheek and a coat trailing exercise. Yours till the next time :) Giles -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Nick Gleitzman Sent: 09 June 2004 02:21 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Action to force browser developers to clean up their act On Wednesday, June 9, 2004, at 10:26 AM, Peter Firminger wrote: Could it be that your site is broken, not the browser? We don't have any trouble accommodating IE with standards compliant code. I think your taking the argument too far and blaming the tool. There are very few issues remaining if you code your page thoughtfully (not in quirks mode) and ignore the features (like attribute selectors) that don't work in IE. Get over it. Giles' original post said I'm pissed off trying to fix a lump of code that is apparently compliant but breaks in one browser because some halfwit can't be bothered to develop compliant software. Ironically, he didn't say which browser - but having also suggested that 'we have to live with IE' because of 'market forces', the inference was there. My answer to Giles was supposed to say, just as you have, 'Get over it.' I obviously have to stop contributing so late at night. N ___ Omnivision. Websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Action to force browser developers to clean up their act
It seems to me that the web developer/designer community spends a huge amount of time whinging about the browser developers and their product's non-compliance, when the answer to the problem lies in their own hands. Our apparent willingness to jump through testing/bug-fix hoops because of the newest browser offering from some spotty youths in a garage in St Kilda, beggars belief. Isn't it about time we took a more active role in shaping the future of browsers. We could clearly state that as a community we write/develop for a list of acceptable browsers which comply to standards (we're just going to have to live wiht IE - market forces). Hopefully non-compliant browsers would simply not be developed, because the pages would break in it. If a new browser complies then it can see the pages we have developed. No worries. As far as backward compatability is concerned we should support older browsers but for a set period. Browser software is, by and large free, upgrading is easy, there is little excuse for not upgrading to a compliant browser. However, there is also little need as we spend hours jiggling code so that old, non-compliant browsers, can read the pages. If you can read the pages why change your browser. People would change browsers if they kept on getting jumbled, unreadable pages. Looking at other software applications for instance, if a spreadsheet didnt add, subtract and divide correctly no-one would use it. The user wouldn't think of having someone fudge some code so it would do these basic functions, so why do we with Browsers? The developer community can take a stand here and have some real input to the future of browser technology. The first step should be a clear and unequivocal statement that we will not write fixes for new non-compliant browsers. Design a new Browser by all means, but make it compliant. Hottest day of the year so far, and I'm pissed off trying to fix a lump of code that is apparently compliant but breaks in one browser because some halfwit can't be bothered to develop compliant software. For god's sake I could be sailing!! Having dangled my coat for someone to stand on I wait with baited breath. :) Best regards Giles * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] CSS editor
Not free, but you could do a lot worse than Top Style 3. It combines HTML editing and CSS. Wriiten by the creator of Homsite. Be very very wary of StyleMaster which has a huge number of bugs in. Giles -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jad Madi Sent: 28 May 2004 13:30 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] CSS editor Greetings is there any free but good CSS style editor around ? and is there any offline version of CSS validater? for windows ? something like (a real validater for HTML ) Thank you folks * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] legal requirements for accessability (bringing clients to the table)
I do see where Lachlan is coming from. I have recently updated two websites both of which were almost purely images. Speaking to the designer who originally created one of the sites it became apparent that his background in for print design had lead him down theis path. Otherwise my work could render almost anyway depending on the setting people have on their machines. was essentialy his attitude. I know its not true but it is his perception. The second one was not quite as bad, but I still only managed to get the job of effectivelky reskinning and replacing some of the images with text. Again it was the perception that the company's brand would in some way be trashed by allowing the web to render it. These are really difficult people to convert, yes they want a better Google rating (in fact any Google rating would do) but they are frightened of the change. It has however, lead to more work for me. Having just completed the re-skinning. I am now talking to them about a complete rework and they are up for it. Frustrating...yes, but we get there in the end. You really do have to hold their hand. I think we tend to forget that what we consider everyday tasks and challenges might as well be rocket science for these people. anyway thats my twopennarth. Giles -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Lachlan Hardy Sent: 27 May 2004 01:25 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] legal requirements for accessability (bringing clients to the table) Thanks folks for the great responses. I will certainly incorporate some of the things you've mentioned into my business behaviours from now on However, it seems fairly apparent that none of you have encountered the problems I'm talking about (except Marc, I think). Perhaps I wasn't clear enough. The kind of clients I get are clients who think this is a great site : www.canadianlakes.com.au And it does look quite nice. Pity about the fact that it still isn't indexed by Google after it has been up for around two years. And you folks can easily spot all the other problems such as the poor navigation, table layout, and the fact that many pages have no text on them whatsoever. They don't even use CSS to colour fonts or links (but who needs to when you can use yet another image?). A year ago, that site had no text at all If you still don't know what I'm talking about; if you've never encountered this, don't trouble yourselves. You're lucky Mike Kear says It's my opinion that if you are losing business because you are quoting on standards-compliant sites, then you're doing it all wrong. Standards compliance should give you a competitive advantage over the other mugs who haven't learned about standards yet. I totally agree with you, Mike, which is why I adopted standards and attempt to provide accessibility. Unfortunately, it is not working for me. So, what do you do? Thanks again, folks Lachlan * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
RE: [WSG] legal requirements for accessability
Afternoon all, One of the best quick overviews of the state of accessibility I have seen is: http://www.webcredible.co.uk/user-friendly-resources/web-accessibility/uk-we bsite-legal-requirements.shtml It covers the UK's DDA (Disability Discrimination Act) and has some handy links to background material , EU standards, the Syndney Olympics background, a review of 1000 sites, etc regards Giles *** Splash!PR Marketing Windmill Oast Benenden Road, Rolvenden Kent TN17 4PF t: 01580 241177 f: 01580 241188 THIS MESSAGE MAY BE CONFIDENTIAL: if received by you in error, I apologise - please tell me and delete the message * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] Printing problem
I'm having a problem with printing web pages which I have put together with
CSS. I have done this before and have never had a problem. The pages render
OK in IE but when you hit the print button IE closes and restarts.
For the life of me I can't spot the problem..I've even wrapped the style
sheet in an @media all{} tag. Anyone else come across this problem before or
have any suggestions?
the site is http://www.douglaspartnership.com
any thoughts much appreciated.
regards
Giles
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[WSG] Printing problems sorted
Thanks everyone I have sorted the printing probs. Regards Giles * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
