Re: [WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia
I wouldn't have sent this to the group if I'd had even the slightest idea it was spam. Getup.org.au is a genuinely good site. IceKat. Brett Patterson wrote: 1) That, I do believe is a crock of shit! 2) If he does anything like that, he will be dead!!! --and-- 3) Anyone who believes in those ideas are fucked up, stupid, and this I can promise, will NOT make it in this world, dead or alive! 4) Like I said, I think this a crock of shit, and possibly spam. On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 9:56 PM, IceKat [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Usually I'm suspicious of this stuff but I happen to know that Get Up is legit and thought the Aussie members of this list might like to know about this. IceKat. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Thought you might be interested Love Mum - Original Message - http://www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet?dc=564,324731,1 Dear Helen, Imagine a government proposing an internet censorship system that went further than any other democracy - one that made the internet up to 87% slower, more expensive, accidentally blocked up to one in 12 legitimate sites, and missed the vast majority of inappropriate content. This is not China, Saudi Arabia or Iran - this is the vision of Senator Stephen Conroy for Australia. *Testing has already begun.* The community must now move to stop this plan. *Click here to save the net:* *www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet* http://www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet?dc=564,324731,1 The system that Senator Conroy wants is *a mandatory filter of all internet traffic*, with the government of the day able to add any unwanted site to a secret blacklist. Already, the wrangling has begun for the inclusion of material relating to anorexia, euthanasia and gambling. It isn't difficult to see *the scheme is open to abuse*. Even when it comes to preventing child p-rnography, the filter will not prevent peer-to-peer sharing and is very simple to sidestep. *The protection of our children is vitally important* - that's why we can't afford to waste funds on this deeply flawed system. We should be concentrating on solutions that are more effective and won't undermine our digital economy or our democratic freedoms. This must rank as one of the most ill-thought decisions of the Rudd Government's first year in power. We need to act now to *tell big brother the mandatory internet filter is incompatible with the principles of a modern democracy and modern economy*: *www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet* http://www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet?dc=564,324731,1 Our government should be doing all in its power to take Australia into the 21st century economy, and to protect our children. *This proposed internet censorship does neither.* Take action to save the net today. Thanks for being a part of the solution, The GetUp team PS - The proposed scheme will pass all internet traffic through a government filter - it's like asking Australia Post to filter every letter sent in Australia. *Click here to save the net.* http://www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet?dc=564,324731,1 __ GetUp is an independent, not-for-profit community campaigning group. We use new technology to empower Australians to have their say on important national issues. We receive no political party or government funding, and every campaign we run is entirely supported by voluntary donations. If you'd like to contribute to *help fund GetUp's work*, please *donate now! https://www.getup.org.au/donate/?dc=564,324731,1* If you have trouble with any links in this email, please go directly to www.getup.org.au http://www.getup.org.au?dc=564,324731,1. To unsubscribe from GetUp, please click here http://www.getup.org.au/pages/emailunsub?dc=564,324731,1. Authorised by Simon Sheikh, Level 2, 294 Pitt St, Sydney NSW 2000tracking No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.10/1812 - Release Date: 11/25/2008 7:53 PM -- Brett P. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED
[WSG] Fw: The Great Firewall of Australia
Hi, Usually I'm suspicious of this stuff but I happen to know that Get Up is legit and thought the Aussie members of this list might like to know about this. IceKat. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***---BeginMessage--- Thought you might be interested Love Mum - Original Message - From: GetUp To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 4:17 PM Subject: The Great Firewall of Australia Dear Helen, Imagine a government proposing an internet censorship system that went further than any other democracy - one that made the internet up to 87% slower, more expensive, accidentally blocked up to one in 12 legitimate sites, and missed the vast majority of inappropriate content. This is not China, Saudi Arabia or Iran - this is the vision of Senator Stephen Conroy for Australia. Testing has already begun. The community must now move to stop this plan. Click here to save the net: www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet The system that Senator Conroy wants is a mandatory filter of all internet traffic, with the government of the day able to add any unwanted site to a secret blacklist. Already, the wrangling has begun for the inclusion of material relating to anorexia, euthanasia and gambling. It isn't difficult to see the scheme is open to abuse. Even when it comes to preventing child p-rnography, the filter will not prevent peer-to-peer sharing and is very simple to sidestep. The protection of our children is vitally important - that's why we can't afford to waste funds on this deeply flawed system. We should be concentrating on solutions that are more effective and won't undermine our digital economy or our democratic freedoms. This must rank as one of the most ill-thought decisions of the Rudd Government's first year in power. We need to act now to tell big brother the mandatory internet filter is incompatible with the principles of a modern democracy and modern economy: www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet Our government should be doing all in its power to take Australia into the 21st century economy, and to protect our children. This proposed internet censorship does neither. Take action to save the net today. Thanks for being a part of the solution, The GetUp team PS - The proposed scheme will pass all internet traffic through a government filter - it's like asking Australia Post to filter every letter sent in Australia. Click here to save the net. __ GetUp is an independent, not-for-profit community campaigning group. We use new technology to empower Australians to have their say on important national issues. We receive no political party or government funding, and every campaign we run is entirely supported by voluntary donations. If you'd like to contribute to help fund GetUp's work, please donate now! If you have trouble with any links in this email, please go directly to www.getup.org.au. To unsubscribe from GetUp, please click here. Authorised by Simon Sheikh, Level 2, 294 Pitt St, Sydney NSW 2000 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.10/1812 - Release Date: 11/25/2008 7:53 PM ---End Message---
Re: [WSG] transparency, png IE6?? Screen Resolution
Hey, I recently looked this up for someone else. I've found this link (below) to work well for regular images but don't seem to do much for background images pulled in with CSS. However having said that I've used this script without much trouble for quite a while. As for the 800x600 thread. I've been interested in reading the replies and thank everyone responding to my thread. I asked because I was making a fixed width layout which was looking very odd on my computer when made to fix for an 800x600 and my screen being a wide screen. Some of you might be glad to know I've since started trying to make it fluid width but it's been great to read all the replies and get the opinion of everyone. IceKat. PNG Link: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bobosola/pnghowto.htm Michael Persson wrote: HI people, I have tried to not use transparency for years as it is not working IE6 properly. I have not a situation where i need it and there is no way out, I have tried some tricks and there are some that works half way to the full solution. There is a solution with a js file called htc somethnig where i get the transparency working but only in one of the images i need them to appear. Does anyone have a clever full functional solution for this transparency crap to make work ? I have grey hair already but its starting to fall of soon... Michael in Athens *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Should we design for 800x600 screens?
Hi, I have a question I'd like to poll people about. Should we still bother designing to fit in with 800x600 screen resolutions or is it Ok to just design for 1024x768 and not worry about smaller resolutions? I know applications like Google Desktop make it more complicated and am interested to hear people's views. IceKat PS- If this has been asked before I apologise and ask if it's possible to see mail archives to see the responses. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] NoScript Help Please!
Hi, I'm totally hoping that someone can help me with this. I'm trying to use noscript tags but I CANNOT get my page to validate. Below is the section which is giving me trouble. Please can someone tell me what the trouble is. td class=delete_filenoscripta href=a_link.htm/noscript img src=pics/delete.gif alt=Delete File /noscript/a/noscript/td I know it looks odd but this version does exactly what I need. However it refuses to validate. I use XHTML 1.0 strict and do not want to step down to transitional. Unless someone can tell me how to give javascript priority then I need to work this out because if I put the link in on it's own it does the javascript part and then does the link and I only want the link to be activated if javascript is turned off. Please someone help. I'm going crazy! IceKat. -- Nothing is impossible, the impossible just takes longer. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] NoScript Help Please!
Hi,
Thanks to those who have replied so far. I'm still a bit lost because
this has gotten a bit more complicated so I'll explain a bit.
I have a page which lists records in a mysql database. They each have
varying options including delete. They are printed with a php loop. The
table of records is in a form and the delete button has in fact become a
input type=image which posts some data back to the page with a
javascript return confirm. The posted data is then excecuted. The php
and mysql is fine but the javascript is doing the confirming which means
that if it's turned off then there is no confirmation of the delete.
This is the reason why I am trying to put in a regular image with a link
to another page which only appears if javascript is disabled.
I know this isn't a JavaScript help page but I'm hoping that someone
will understand my babbling because I'm having trouble getting this to
do what I need and validate my page at the same time. The first solution
posted by Michael seemed good until I realised it was actually an input
type=image that I needed (sorry about that). The solution below seems to
do what I need but the complexity of the javascript makes me feel cold.
Can anyone either mail me directly to save clogging up this mailing list
or point me to a place where I can learn what I need? Does anyone know a
good javascript forum?
Many Thanks,
IceKat
David Dorward wrote:
Three issues:
1: A start tag starts an element, an end tag ends an element, and
elements must be contained entirely within other elements.
2: noscript is a very poor means of handling the 'no js case', it
doesn't cope with 'JavaScript supported, but not the functions you are
calling'
3: Links make GET requests, and GET requests shouldn't do anything
significant to the server (like deleting files). People have run into
problems with precaching proxy servers following all the links to get
the content available for users and deleting lots of files as they go.
For changes to the server, use POST.
I would do something like this:
form method=POST action=a_link.html class=delete_file
div
input name=delete type=image
src=pics/delete.gif alt=Delete File
/div
/form
And then:
script type=text/javascript
src=http://yui.yahooapis.com/2.5.1/build/yahoo-dom-event/yahoo-dom-event.js;/script
script type=text/javascript
function deleteFiles(e, obj) {
YAHOO.util.Event.preventDefault(e); // Don't submit the form normally
// And then whatever else you want your JS to do
}
var elements = YAHOO.util.Dom.getElementsByClassName('delete_file',
'form');
YAHOO.util.Event.addListener(elements, submit, deleteFiles);
/script
YUI documentation is available from http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/
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[WSG] Centered Horizontal List in IE7
Hey, Sent this out, wondering if anyone has any pointers??? IceKat Original Message: Hi everyone, I'm really hoping someone can help me with this bug. I've known about it for a while but am hoping that now that IE7 has been around for a while that a smarter person than me will have figured out a solution. I have a list menu which is supposed to be horizontal and centered. Not a problem right? Wrong. There are three problems. 1. IE7 doesn't use display: inline very well when text is enlarged or made smaller. (just try it and see the mess it creates) 2. The width cannnot be set because the number of items changes on a regular basis without warning. 3. Float combined with margin: 0 auto doesn't work because the width of the ul is always 100% and can't be set smaller because of the reason given above. This is creating a huge problem because I can't center lists without setting a width. Is there a way of getting around this in IE7? Is there a javascript or PHP script which can detect the width of something so I can put that in to the css? Or just fix the problem? Thanks heaps, IceKat. PS- I've heard about either a php function or a meta tag which forces standards? Does anyone know more about it? Might that help? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Centered Horizontal Menu
Hi everyone, I'm really hoping someone can help me with this bug. I've known about it for a while but am hoping that now that IE7 has been around for a while that a smarter person than me will have figured out a solution. I have a list menu which is supposed to be horizontal and centered. Not a problem right? Wrong. There are three problems. 1. IE7 doesn't use display: inline very well when text is enlarged or made smaller. (just try it and see the mess it creates) 2. The width cannnot be set because the number of items changes on a regular basis without warning. 3. Float combined with margin: 0 auto doesn't work because the width of the ul is always 100% and can't be set smaller because of the reason given above. This is creating a huge problem because I can't center lists without setting a width. Is there a way of getting around this in IE7? Is there a javascript or PHP script which can detect the width of something so I can put that in to the css? Or just fix the problem? Thanks heaps, IceKat. PS- I've heard about either a php function or a meta tag which forces standards? Does anyone know more about it? Might that help? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: R: [WSG] Alternative to align = center?
How is using a name which is descriptive and easy to remember and
understand (like for those coming in after you've written the code)
going against that separation? It's not actually putting the styling in
the html and if anything it saves coding. If you have a class of center
then you can define it in your stylesheet as
.center{
text-align: center
}
and anything has that attribute, including divs, headings, paragraphs
etc. Imagine creating and writing a class for everything like that which
needs it! You'd wind up with 50 extra lines of code and a bigger file
and therefore longer download time.
Plus if it's a class then you don't have to worry about it being used
more than once on a page and you know exactly which name to use when you
need that attribute as will anyone else who comes across it later.
IceKat
Joseph Taylor wrote:
FYI - Adding such a named class, especially with the name center or
center goes against separation of presentation and content.
In a situation where your HTML looks like:
div
div class=centre
my images /
/div
div class=centre
my images /
/div
div class=centre
my images /
/div
/div
You should change it to something like:
div id=my_section
div
my images /
/div
div
my images /
/div
div
my images /
/div
/div
Then your CSS rule could look more like:
#my_section div {
text-align: center;
margin: 5px;
}
One day you'll wish that div didn't have the class name of center,
especially if there are a bunch of them. Just give an id to the
container that would hold them all and use your css selectors to
isolate the elements you wish to style.
In the end, either choice will create the same effect. This one is a
little more future proof.
Joseph R. B. Taylor
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Stuart Foulstone wrote:
Or use a CSS class to do the same,
div class=”centre”
and
.centre {
text-align: center;
}
On Sat, May 3, 2008 10:22 am, Diego La Monica wrote:
What about div style=”text-align: center” ?
Diego La Monica
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Inviato: sabato 3 maggio 2008 11.15
A: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Oggetto: [WSG] Alternative to align = center?
Hi,
I know that the align attribute such as div align=”center” is not
allowed
in XHTML Strict, but it got me thinking on what the possible
alternatives
are for a dynamic environment such as a forum?
For instance if I know the image width or the total width of all the
images
will be the same I usually put them in a wrapper with a fixed width and
use
margin: 5px auto as an example.
What happens if you will never know the width of the images or how many
images someone may post, as happens on a forum I run. I’ve resorted to
creating a bbcode tag that uses div align=”center” as that is the
only
way
I can think of.
Are these scenarios always doomed to use transitional doctypes and
deprecated code?
I’d be interested in your opinions
Cheers
Simon
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Re: [WSG] Why is u deprecated?
I do the exact same thing (clicking on underlined text which isn't a link) but it does make it very complicated to create access keys for forms because u was used to show which letter was the access key. Messing around with endless spans will discourage them. I'm really sorry there is no alternative as there is with b and i. Does anyone know an alternative to xmp? I know you can use entitiy codes but this one saved the trouble and is now depreciated. Perhaps they could bring those two back. IceKat Joseph Ortenzi wrote: Very good points b and i are stylistic and em and strong are semantic. u is stylistic, but the intention of an underlined string of text can be expressed with any of the above, dependent on intention. I am one of those severely frustrated people who want to click underlined text so keep it out please... I like underline on hover as useful feedback that it is in fact, a link. Predefined standard colours are less important these days, but good design does seem to favour blue-ish for link as a convention. Joe On Mar 27, 2008, at 09:14, Stuart Foulstone wrote: Hi, Usability. Users expect link-text to be underlined. Many user studies found that when you underline other text users try to click on it and get quite annoyed when nothing happens (some users would click on the underlined text several times before they gave up). Originally links were to have predefined colours that would have avoided this situation, but Web Designers thought better and decided to start styling their link colours as they thought fit. Even though this styling often does not include underlining, users still expect underlined text to mean links. This led to the confusion, so something had to give - it was u. b and i are not deprecated because there may be times when you want to style the text in that way but without the semantic emphasis that em and strong confer. On Thu, March 27, 2008 4:28 am, Kepler Gelotte wrote: Hi, I am just curious if anyone can explain why the u tag has been deprecated while b and i are still allowed. Thanks in advance. Best regards, Kepler Gelotte Neighbor Webmaster, Inc. 156 Normandy Dr., Piscataway, NJ 08854 www.neighborwebmaster.com phone/fax: (732) 302-0904 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** == Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] IE8 news
Hey, I've been watching some of the IE8 conversations. I got it just yesterday and tried it. While it may pass the Acid2 test flawlessly (and only be a beta) it takes up /masses/ of memory. My computer isn't exactly a dinosaur but it still paused whilst trying to type using IE8. How powerful a computer is recommended anyway? However considering the problems with IE in the past I'd say I can live with that. IceKat (blog IE8 review at: http://aldonasweblounge.net/blog) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Typo3 and Meta Tags
Ben I realise that was off topic so thank you for helping me out. That is a HUGE help! I was starting to lose my mind with all the stuff out there which I couldn't read so thank you for that link. It is seriously appreciated. I didn't realise there was mailing list to use so I promise next time I'll find and use that. :) IceKat - Original Message - From: ben van 't ende [netcreators] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:51 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Typo3 and Meta Tags IceKat wrote: Hey, I've never written to this group before but I've seen the emails for a while and am hoping someone can help me out. I've got some work which involves the webware Typo3 (a REALLY messy CMS). I've been asked to add meta keywords and description to a site managed by this but can't find any tutorials which aren't in english. They are all in german. I suspect that there is a download of a plugin or extension but I can't understand anything which comes up so I'm hoping someone knows this webware or can read german and can help. The main website for Typo3 is: http://typo3.com/. Thanks in advance for any replies. Hi Icekat, This is REALLY off topic for this list. Next time please use the TYPO3 mailinglists for any questions regarding this CMS. ., but you would have to use the extension extended metatags. http://typo3.org/extensions/repository/view/metatags/1.0.4/ It adds options in the constant editor. gRTz ben -- netcreators :: creation and innovation www.netcreators.com - www.TYPO3.nl Interesse in werken bij Netcreators? http://www.netcreators.com/bedrijf/vacatures/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Typo3 and Meta Tags
Hey, I've never written to this group before but I've seen the emails for a while and am hoping someone can help me out. I've got some work which involves the webware Typo3 (a REALLY messy CMS). I've been asked to add meta keywords and description to a site managed by this but can't find any tutorials which aren't in english. They are all in german. I suspect that there is a download of a plugin or extension but I can't understand anything which comes up so I'm hoping someone knows this webware or can read german and can help. The main website for Typo3 is: http://typo3.com/. Thanks in advance for any replies. IceKat -- Nothing is impossible, the impossible just takes longer. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
