Re: [WSG] Budget Design
That's about right for me too. Peter On 01/06/2004, at 9:13 AM, Justin French wrote: On 01/06/2004, at 8:55 AM, Luke Moulton wrote: At this present time, for our team a small budget website consists of a 5 to 10 page (for want of a better word) XHTML/CSS site with CMS and can cost the client anywhere from AU$3.5K to AU$5.5K depending on customisation. I'm also in AU, and this appears to be a fair *market* price for such work, although in my case it's more like 10-15 pages. Of course, I can't tell you whether this is a fair price for the work you perform, or if you're covering your costs and making a profit, but $3-5k seems to be what the market will handle here right now for something with basic CMS and a general quality (XHTML, CSS, WAG, etc). Justin French http://indent.com.au x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
[WSG] Bye folks
It seems every thread I contribute to gets closed!! ;) Seriously, I suppose I find myself more interested in design threads rather than coding ones, and that's not quite in accord with the purposes of this list, so I think I'll unsubscribe for a while. I'd like to take up this bit of bandwidth though to extend my warmest thanks to Russ and Peter and all the other extremely kind people who have taken the time to educate and inform me during my struggles to learn web standards coding. Before I joined this list almost 6 months ago I was using GoLive for sites and I'm now hand-coding and improving with every site I make. It's all due to the helpful people here. Thanks folks, may your code be bug-free! Peter www.universalhead.com www.cinema4duser.com www.petergifford.com www.headlesshollow.com x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[WSG] whatdoiknow.org mention
Headlesshollow.com got mentioned on Todd Dominey's site!! (www.whatdoiknow.org). Fame at last! (Sorry to blow the old trumpet but I visit this guy's site all the time and love his work). Peter x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
[WSG] should I track down this problem?
Curious how others would approach this? I've just finished a simple site that is perfect in WIN - NN 7, IE 5.01, IE 5.5, IE 6 MAC - Safari 1.2.1, Mozilla 1.4, IE 5.2 And a friend looks it in on Mac IE 5 and finds a big problem. My question is, do you draw the line or not? Do I spend more time time trying to track down this one dumb version number browser's problem, or do I just say it's not worth it? Whatddya think? Peter x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
Re: [WSG] should I track down this problem?
It's probably something to do with that as one of the two problems is a standard horizontal list nav stuffing up. It does make the navigation virtually unusable I must admit. But what can you do? My point to posting was, how many specific version numbers can one check in anyway? Having it work well in all those browsers and then having some obscure bug in an obscure browser make it go pear-shaped - well, it would be impossible to check it in every version number of every browser that ever lived. If only they had expiry dates! I mean, how many people using IE5 on Mac OS9? (apart from my damn friend that is!) ;) Peter On 20/05/2004, at 3:20 PM, Kay Smoljak wrote: I thought I had a train wreck on a site in IE5Mac a while back - but it turns out there's a major bug with clearing floats, and as soon as I put in separate divs to clear the other elements, it started looking fine. So until you find the bug, don't despair! x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
[WSG] [OT] UniversalHead blog
OT I know, but then it is web standards savvy, thanks to Todd Dominey's original template (though I've modified the graphics quite a bit): http://www.headlesshollow.com No doubt you all know about the web standards friendly relaunch of Blogger: http://www.blogger.com - which has now made the whole set up process so simple I thought I'd finally launch a blog like everybody else. Just a small start but big modifications in the pipeline, Peter x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
Re: [WSG] [OT] UniversalHead blog
Sorry everybody I jumped the gun - it will take several days for this new URL to be recognised worldwide, so you'll probably get a coming soon page for a while - my apologies. Peter x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
Re: [WSG] [OT] UniversalHead blog
Yes, which is very handy. I know the basic layout is stable and tested and done professionally so it's an excellent start to making your own design. Hopefully after tinkering with it for a while virtually nothing of the original template will remain, but it got me up and running very quickly and the basic framework is nice and solid. Of course all my new graphics are hosted (as is the whole site now) on my own server. Peter On 18/05/2004, at 5:47 PM, Hugh Todd wrote: Pete, Can you modify blog templates (on Blogger) to your heart's content? -Hugh No doubt you all know about the web standards friendly relaunch of Blogger: http://www.blogger.com - which has now made the whole set up process so simple I thought I'd finally launch a blog like everybody else. x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
Re: [WSG] WSG design competition voting time
Now I see how few entries came in I'm thinking I should have somehow found the time to enter ... I suppose it would be unbelievably bad form to ask for a time extension would it? (he says in tiny mouse-like voice) ... Congrats to those who did take make effort to enter. Peter On 17/05/2004, at 4:10 PM, Aaron DC wrote: Hi all, The design competition closed last week. Those who submitted entries - thank you! Voting closes in 5 days time. The winner will be cut and built into the new WSG site. Start voting! x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
Re: [WSG] digital web magazine redesign
The best place is to go to a good quality bookstore that stocks a range of design-related titles. I could name some in Sydney but that's not very useful for many people on the list ... I'm also on the visiting list of a distributor who specialises in design books who comes around to the studio occasionally to display a range of titles. Here's some titles from the bookshelf next to me ... There are books that focus on one studio's work eg Stefan Sagmeister 'Made You Look' Tolleson Design 'SoakWashRinseSpin' General design collections and annuals eg Graphis Typography (annual of the Type Directors Club) Graphic Design USA (annual of the American Institute of Graphic Arts) Specific design fields eg 'The Best of Brochure Design 07' 'The Power of Paper in Graphic Design' 'Fresh Ideas in Promotion' 'Even More Great Design Using 1, 2 or 3 colours' Magazines eg Communication Arts 'How-To' type books eg 'What is Packaging Design' 'Designing with Web Standards' Check out a good specialty bookstore. Hope this helps. Contact me off list if you need specifics. Peter On 14/05/2004, at 3:44 PM, YoYoEtc wrote: May I ask what sort of design books you use for inspiration? I have wondered myself where to get inspiration from. So far, I just scout around the Internet and look for other sites in the same industry or of the same subject matter. However, I tend to think that limits my brain somewhat i.e. when they are all of the same flavor. I'd like to find some sources of original inspiration but I don't know where to look for that. x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
Re: [WSG] Thanks Peter and Russ
An experienced designer should ask the right questions. Cheers! Peter On 14/05/2004, at 4:39 PM, Michael Kear wrote: Frankly I don't think I have the skills to brief a designer adequately yet. I suspect that's a skill all on its own. x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
Re: [WSG] digital web magazine redesign
its all in the talent and creative side of your brain, son! It's easy Mike! See that button on the top right of your keyboard? The one marked design? Just press it! ;) Oh OK I'll say something useful. Here's what I do. When coming up with a concept I sit down with a big piece of paper and I write down words. I write down words the client has used to describe their company, product whatever. Words that describe their target audience, what they want to project to their audience etc. Then I get out a Thesaurus and I write down synonyms for those words that inspire me. Then, when I've exhausted this approach, I think about concepts that communicate these words and meanings. While I'm doing this I flip through some of my big collection of design books for inspiration, and bookmark things that seem relevant. Not I'm going to use this rounded-corner trick but I like the way this design uses flat colour or large type next to big spaces. After I have some thumbnail sections of ideas I want to pursue and some notes on the appropriate fonts and colour schemes, only then do I go to the computer and start working with mockups. That's one approach. Here's some other ideas I've gathered from various sources into my notebook: x-tad-smallerInterviewing the client /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller- what are you trying to communicate, and why? - who needs this information, and why? - what does the audience already know? What does it need to know? - what single, unique, focused message should the audience walk away with after reading or seeing this piece? - what have you done to communicate this information before? - how do you expect your audience to respond? How in turn will you respond to their response? /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerEmpty the brain of all information onto paper after the interview Research Process the information /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller- review notes, reorganise info, restate info in a variety of forms, readress the project objective, reword as a set of design criteria. /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerAllow time for the information to marinate in the brain Stefan Sagmeister's Approach /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller1. Think about the project from any point of view - your mom's, yours, from the point of view of colour, of form - and write each response down on a single index card. 2. Spread all the index cards out on a big table and see if you can find the relationship between the different thoughts. 3. Forget about the whole thing. 4. The idea will strike you miraculously when you least expect it. /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerQuality is never an accident; it is always the result of intelligent effort. Do not think of your faults, still less of others' faults; look for what is good and strong, and try to imitate it. Your faults will drop off, like dead leaves, when their time comes. There is nothing in the world that some man cannot make a little worse and sell a little cheaper, and he who considers price only is that man's lawful prey. quotes from John Ruskin 1819-1900 /x-tad-smallerPeter PS I stole the button design on www.cinema4duser.com from shauninman.com x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
[WSG] reply from ACA
You all might be interested in the reply I received from the ACA in response to my email. I leave it to speak for itself. Peter On 07/05/2004, at 2:21 PM, WebMaster wrote: Dear Mr Gifford, Pleqase accept my apologies for the delay in respond to your email. We are aware of some issues with the use of the ACA Website and Apple operating systems and are currently working on a fix to the solution. Unfortunately this would appear not to be a simple solution and therefore may take some time. As I'm sure you can appreciate maintaining a site that renders well in all browser and operating systems is a constant battle for the ACA, however we do endeavour to provide equal access to all users. It may be of some benefit for you to access our site map at (), which will provide you with static html links to all pages. Regards Sheila Grant Web Administrator Information Management Team Australian Communications Authority x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
Re: [WSG] Australian Communications Authority
Just came across this thread and by coincidence I had been told about the site and tossed off this email to them: --- I thought I would take the time to make you aware of some problems with your website. The site does not communicate to Mac users at all. In Safari 2, the most common MacOSX browser, none of the navigation bars (left or top) appear at all. On IE5, the most common browser for MacOS9 users, navigating to your site brings up a page of code - no site. On Mozilla, a common open source browser recommended as the best browser available in last week's Sydney Morning Herald, the navigation also does not work. These problems would be serious for any website, but for the Australian Communications Authority I would have thought they were disastrous. If you are interested I can make recommendations on how to make your site standards compliant across the entire range of browsers, with simple xhtml and css coding. The Sydney Morning Herald (www.smh.com.au) and The Age (www.theage.com.au) have recently converted their sites to this approach, which is widely recognised as the future of the web. You can cut the size of your pages in half (faster site loads and less server demand) and make the site compatible to ALL users, not just a percentage. My company, Universal Head, has ten years experience in design and specialises in online communications. I would be happy to discuss the possibilities with you further. Best regards Peter Gifford --- On 02/05/2004, at 6:41 PM, Rob Unsworth wrote: An official press release from the Web Standards Group would carry more weight than an individual. Written by someone with better journalistic skills that yours truly. x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
Re: [WSG] Australian Communications Authority
Jeez mate give me a break. Just because every site I've done doesn't get the little W3C gold star doesn't mean I'm not making professional sites. And since I've been making sites since the web started, and designing for years before that, some jobs go back ten years. They were cutting edge enough at the time. Like every job I do, if I was commissioned to do the ACA site, I would make sure that I designed and made, or had made, a site that was appropriate for the client, their audience, and what they were trying to communicate. I might even make it viewable for Mac users, for example ... There's a world of difference between a site for the ACA and a graphic design portfolio. If my showcase site was designed in the same way as an ACA site I would not be communicating to my audience much about my visual skills, especially since I have done and do everything from computer game 3D to corporate ID as well as websites. For example, I also do Flash work. You might just as well complain that the client who wants me to do Flash work could go to my site, find a static xhtml/css site and would therefore conclude I don't practice what I preach. Or the computer game client finds solid flat colours and concludes I don't do 3D. Etcetera. Personally, while I'm on this list and now largely make web standards sites with xhtml and css, I still believe there's a place for Flash, and at the moment, my portfolio is one of those places. As for the nav, when it says 'select an icon', try rolling over an icon. It won't kill you, and you'll only lose a second or two from your day. So ptt! ;) Peter PS On my site now the Latest Work feature is the Jands.com.au site, which is pretty bloody web standard. On 05/05/2004, at 6:50 PM, Andy Budd wrote: I think more of a problem is that your own website and many in your portfolio don't really reflect the qualities that you are trying to sell to this client. If I was a web savvy procurement officer, your email would definitely spark my interest. However going to your site I would see that you don't appear to practice what you preach and would look elsewhere. p.s. Your main nav is pretty user-unfriendly. It's not obvious that these are actually nav items. You're forcing people to guess what they do and to roll over them to reveal where they go. Universal Head wrote: You're right, but in my defense I didn't actually put a huge amount of thought into it because a) I doubt any decision-makers would see it b) since they've just 'redesigned' the site coff> I don't think they'd be keen to spend more money c) the job would be a *%^ nightmare ... I wrote it to tell them it doesn't work - the job pitch was just an afterthought! Miles Tillinger wrote: Three cheers for Web Standards evangelism! Kudos for making the effort to spread the gospel, but I don't know if I agree with the approach. Fair enough that you'd like to win the job, but the end of the email starts sounding like marketing spam. A political approach might be more effective for getting them to think about it because the last thing any government department wants to think about is more costs and they could be to short-sighted to consider the long-term gains... E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
[WSG] New Site launch: Jands
Universal Head is proud to announce the launch of Jands (Australia's Audio, Lighting and Staging Specialists) new website: http://www.jands.com.au I've been working on this one since November (Russ, you may remember being incredibly helpful to me on the homepage code - thanks mate). Eventually a few compromises had to be made - the use of iframes being fed by a database for example isn't exactly what I had in mind - but it's still pretty happy XHTML CSS right through. Comments welcome. There's a few validation errors - the rollover script works well, but ain't valid, for example, but I long ran out of incentive to perfect this baby to that - to me, unnecessarily exacting - level, so be gentle! ;) The client's happy. Peterx-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
[WSG] programming skill required - thanks for the response
Thanks for the response folks I've got a few good people to choose from now! No more submissions required! Cheers Peter x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
Re: [WSG] hiring a standards-savvy designer
Warning: rant. The very fact that this is even in question with any designer is an indication of how degraded the title has become since computers hit the industry. Design was and has always been about communication and functionality - my degree in 84-88 was 'Visual Communications', not 'web design' or 'making things look cool'. Another reason - excuse the plug - why the tagline of my company is 'Design That Works'. It annoys and frustrates me that the reputation and integrity of the design industry has been so ruined in the eyes of clients by the media (endless images of frustrated business people trying to contact their designers who are out skateboarding), software developers (buy this app and you'll instantly become a designer! No need to pay design agencies ever again!), the greed of the dot-com boom (I've been renovating bathrooms for ten years but I think I'll be a designer cause they make lots of money and you can work from home), fly-by-night colleges (Complete our two-week course and you'll be a web designer!) and the whole image of design being a cool and easy thing to do. End of rant! Peter On 01/04/2004, at 9:36 AM, Mark Stanton wrote: To the key character of a good web designer (apart from artistic talent) is that they respect their medium and their audience. If a designer shows any sign of getting upset about having their artist whims challenged by browser limitations or accessibility - don't hire them. x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
[WSG] Re: CSS not rendering in Mozilla
Thanks for the help on this. It's working ow, though I'm very confused as to why to tell you the truth. I asked my host about the MIME type and he said it was set to text/css (his server software is Webstar btw). Yet it still wouldn't work. It was only after he flushed the server cache that it suddenly started working. Strange, but the problem appears to be fixed. Thanks again for the help! Peter On 30/03/2004, at 10:28 AM, David McDonald wrote: Peter, I have had a similar problem with the BHP Billiton site recently. It looks like the server does not have the mime type for CSS set correctly. In Mozilla, if you select Tools, Web Development, then Javascript Console, you should see an error message reading: Error: The stylesheet http://www.cinema4duser.com/css/main.css was not loaded because its MIME type, text/html, is not text/css. This is a problem on the server end, where they either don't have the experience or the knowledge to set up mime types properly. I woulod hazard a guess and say that the CSS mime type is set to text/x-pointplus. More info at: http://devedge.netscape.com/viewsource/2002/incorrect-mime-types/ x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
[WSG] What tha!?
I just checked my site www.cinema4duser.com in Mozilla and it wasn't applying CSS. what the A#%^$* have I done?? Thanks Peter x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
[WSG] IE5 Mac Doosey
I didn't make this site, but I'm picking up the pieces. The navigation uses CSS rollovers which seem to work fine in most browsers, but completely stuff up in IE5 Mac. As in no navigation appears at all. I'm not well versed in css-rollovers (or the quirks of IE5 Mac), so before I plunge into this jungle with a blunt machete, can anyone point out the five-lane highway next to it - so to speak? Site: http://www.polariswireless.com CSS: http://www.polariswireless.com/css/style.css Many thanks Peter x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
Re: [WSG] IE5 Mac Doosey
Thanks Hugh but the client doesn't want to pay for that at this stage. He just wants to get it 'fixed' to work in IE5 Mac. Bummer I know. P On 24/03/2004, at 12:49 PM, Hugh Todd wrote: Pete, You might be better to start again. The author is fooling around with background images for the menu, making the text disappear with a span>. Farhner image replacement? Better to give that the boot. -Hugh PS No idea why IE Mac isn't seeing the images. x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
Re: [WSG] IE5 Mac Doosey
Curses, still no luck! No absolute positioning in this case. Help me obiwan! I've run out of ideas! Peter On 24/03/2004, at 2:07 PM, Nick Cowie wrote: What the problem appears to be is IE5.2 on Mac can not float items that are inside a absolutely positioned div. x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
Re: [WSG] IE5 Mac Doosey
Once again the remarkable Hugh comes through with the goods. Hugh, you deserve a knighthood. Why does this work? I don't know! And frankly ... I don't care! ;) Thanks mate Peter On 24/03/2004, at 3:18 PM, Hugh Todd wrote: Pete, Try taking out all the overflow: hidden and see what happens. x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
Re: [WSG] Font size, and how large is large enough?
At this point, in regards to CSS - and the world in general - I feel like interjecting the old chestnut you can't please all of the people all of the time ... On 24/03/2004, at 4:31 PM, Mark Stanton wrote: When the page specifies 'verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif', such people almost never get to see their preference. ...unless they are using user style sheets, then they get to see whatever they want... x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
[WSG] drop down menus
I recently had a client who insisted I implement drop-down menus for the navigation on their site, even though I gave them all the reasons why I thought they were unnecessary in their case - and I was wondering what the list's thoughts were on this method of navigation. Personally think that in most cases they are unnecessary. I think a well designed site should present information in a hierarchical fashion, allowing the user to access more detailed info as they progress into the site (while still keeping all parts of the site quickly accessible in two or three clicks). I think the opposite approach, of making every section and subsection available from the homepage via drop-down menus, has the opposite effect to what is intended by confusing the user with masses of choices upfront. What do y'all think? Peter x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
Re: [WSG] mysterious space
The space is *within* the border (ie padding), not outside it (ie margin). These margins allow the floated thumbnails to stay 5px from each other. Thanks anyway! Peter On 22/03/2004, at 1:50 PM, Maureen Beattie wrote: I am not sure Peter if this is what you mean but you have specified margin: 0; in .gallerygrid but in .gallerygrid .pic and .gallerygrid .piclast you have specified the margins as - margin: 0 5px 5px 0; and margin: 0 0 5px 0; and as the margin shortcut goes top right bottom left these rules add a 5px space at the bottom. x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
Re: [WSG] mysterious space
Damn - doesn't seem to work for me despite trying out several permutations! Any other ideas? Peter Can anyone enlighten me on this ... my thumbnail pics have about 5 pixels space at the bottom in IE6 that I can't work out how to remove. In the CSS I have specified height and width, and padding is 0, so who knows where its coming from. I ran into a similar problem last week... here's the solution that worked for me - set the image display to block http://www.alistapart.com/articles/betterliving/ see XHTML BROWSERS near the bottom of the page Josh Parrish http://keylime.nu x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
Re: [WSG] mysterious space
James, I greatly appreciate you getting stuck into this. I'll let you know how it goes.
Thanks again
Peter
On 22/03/2004, at 3:09 PM, James Ellis wrote:
Peter
Sounds like a trip on the Magical Mystery Whitespace Tour (sponsored by Microsoft). I had this problem while back with a nested list, threw things at the screen in the end to try and fix it. Luckily calmness (counted to 32768 backwards) prevailed and I ended up rejigging the complete list (all was well). :D
You have this :
div class=gallerygrid>
h1>Feature Gallery/h1>
h2>Click on thumbnail for larger images/h2>
span class=pic>a href=glry_feature01_01.html>img src=images/features/Tfeature01_01.jpg width=85 height=85 alt=>/a>/span>
span class=pic>a href=glry_feature01_08.html>img src=images/features/Tfeature01_08.jpg width=85 height=85 alt=>/a>/span>
span class=pic>a href=glry_feature01_09.html>img src=images/features/Tfeature01_09.jpg width=85 height=85 alt=>/a>/span>
span class=piclast>a href=glry_feature01_10.html>img src=images/features/Tfeature01_10.jpg width=85 height=85 alt=>/a>/span>
div class=clearer>nbsp;/div>
/div>
Try this
div class=gallerygrid>
h1>Feature Gallery/h1>
h2>Click on thumbnail for larger images/h2>
a href=glry_feature01_01.html>img src=images/features/Tfeature01_01.jpg width=85 height=85 alt=>/a>
a href=glry_feature01_08.html>img src=images/features/Tfeature01_08.jpg width=85 height=85 alt=>/a>
a href=glry_feature01_09.html>img src=images/features/Tfeature01_09.jpg width=85 height=85 alt=>/a>
a href=glry_feature01_10.html>img src=images/features/Tfeature01_10.jpg width=85 height=85 alt=>/a>
br class=break />
/div>
CSS:
.gallerygrid a img
{
float : left;
}
.break
{
clear : both;
}
---
You may also need to do this in IE:
div class=gallerygrid>
h1>Feature Gallery/h1>
h2>Click on thumbnail for larger images/h2>
a href=glry_feature01_01.html>img src=images/features/Tfeature01_01.jpg width=85 height=85 alt=>/a>a href=glry_feature01_08.html>img src=images/features/Tfeature01_08.jpg width=85 height=85 alt=>/a>a href=glry_feature01_09.html>img src=images/features/Tfeature01_09.jpg width=85 height=85 alt=>/a>a href=glry_feature01_10.html>img src=images/features/Tfeature01_10.jpg width=85 height=85 alt=>/a>
br class=break />
/div>
Russ has a thing on floats in his floatutorial - IE needs to have absolutely no whitespace between tags sometimes.
HTH
James
Universal Head wrote:
Damn - doesn't seem to work for me despite trying out several permutations! Any other ideas?
Peter
Can anyone enlighten me on this ... my thumbnail pics have
about 5 pixels space at the bottom in IE6 that I can't work
out how to remove. In the CSS I have specified height and
width, and padding is 0, so who knows where its coming from.
I ran into a similar problem last week... here's the solution that
worked for me - set the image display to block
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/betterliving/
see XHTML BROWSERS near the bottom of the page
Josh Parrish
http://keylime.nu
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Re: [WSG] New CSS site
Jim I think you're referring to my Flash business site, www.universalhead.com, rather than the css one www.cinema4duser.com. This is OT since it's not a css site, but the music doesn't come back on if you nav to another part of the site. Only if you refresh - which is unavoidable since the flash file is reloaded, but it should be unnecessary to refresh the site. As you say the sound is very ambient and can be quickly turned off if required. Thanks for the feedback. Sorry for the OT post, off the list now! Peter On 16/03/2004, at 3:05 AM, Jim Davies wrote: Nice work and all that good stuff but there is a major problem with the music on/off. When turned off, it only stays off for THAT page and comes right back on for the next one or on a refresh. That is VERY bad. I personally have a problem with sites that start off with sound, even soft sound such as this. Consider the people viewing the site. Where are they? Is it at home, work, library? What is the effect when sounds suddenly start emanating from the PC? Just my 2 cents. x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
[WSG] Testing multiple versions of IE
I've installed IE 5.01, 5.5 and 6 on my Windows2000 box using this method: http://www.quirksmode.org/browsers/multipleie.html However, does anyone know a way of testing that these are acting as they should for each version number? Peter * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
[WSG] Netscape versions
What's a good version of Netscape Navigator to check in? v 7.1 or v7? is there a big difference? Is it worth checking in older versions? What's the Netscape skinny basically? Thanks! Peter (obviously setting up a PC testing machine ...) * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
[WSG] New CSS site
Hi all Just about to be officially announced, my new fully CSS/XHTML 1.0 Trans site, and the smoothest experience I've had with css so far: http://www.cinema4duser.com Comments and crits most welcome. Peter x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
Re: [WSG] New CSS site
Thanks Tim You can have as many h1's as you want - it's just a general class for a level 1 heading. Cheers Peter On 12/03/2004, at 12:14 PM, Hill, Tim wrote: looks awesome, fonts used in titles are really cool, love the effect. the only thing I could see was and I don't know if I'm right with this. in http://www.cinema4duser.com/dltex_handmade.html the item boxes, you have the headings of these as h1>s I'm not sure if you should have more than one h1> a page? is that correct? I thought I remember something about that, although I am probably wrong. x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
Re: [WSG] New CSS site
In response to your extremely helpful feedback, thankyou for it all: standardsy message ... not a major grumble, but changing the wording might be appreciated Regarding the accessability message, any suggestions for changing the wording? Is there a 'satandard' blurb? How come so many people saw this, did they have CSS turned off? Is it a good idea to have a link to browser upgrades in this message? When I clicked on the link for the article about John Shakespeare, it took only one click to get to it; whereas it took two clicks to get to the Omega Stone one. That was a mistake, thanks - fixed. I'd expect the big main pics for the feature article, feature artist to link to those sections aswell as the go button. gotta make those graphics work for themselves Not a bad idea, I might add this. Wow, three options for every link! i got the 'fouc' when i first loaded yr site (http://www.bluerobot.com/web/css/fouc.asp) you could add a print css to avoid the 'fouc' and also remove some of the graphics from the printer version...? Haven't added a print stylesheet yet. Thanks, I'll look into this. the font sizes in some areas are pretty tiny, and i cant re-size them in IE Stop using IE!! ;) Seriously, might add this in an update (or change to ems). The validator is having some issues with link rel=shortcut icon try link rel=icon ... /> instead and you'll have a valid site! Thanks, didn't know that one! I used to play around with Cinema 4D on the go ole Amiga. Heh, that brings back some fond memories. ;) Cheers. Try the program again, it's fantastic these days! Thanks all, P x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
Re: [WSG] New CSS site
This doesn't validate either - does anyone have the correct validating code for inserting a favicon? Peter On 12/03/2004, at 12:50 PM, James Ellis wrote: The validator is having some issues with link rel=shortcut icon trylink rel=icon ... /> instead and you'll have a valid site! x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
Re: [WSG] New CSS site
What a shock! ;) link rel=shortcut icon href=http://www.cinema4duser.com/favicon.ico /> works fine and also vaidates it seems. And you only have to put it in the index.html page. Thanks P On 12/03/2004, at 2:01 PM, Chris Blown wrote: However this doesn't work for IE. Works fine other browsers. IE is also picky about the file format. x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
Re: [WSG] New CSS site
Thankyou David and Russ, a great suggestion which I will put into practice now. I was copying the habit of other sites by doing this, and you're right, it doesn't seem necessary. P On 12/03/2004, at 2:03 PM, David McDonald wrote: Personally, I'd probably loose the standards message altogether for a couple of reasons: x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
Re: [WSG] New CSS site
Now THIS is why I love CS - I've just increased the contrast a little. Easss Peter On 12/03/2004, at 3:13 PM, Sarah Sammis wrote: If it were a bit darker it would be easier to read. x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
Re: [WSG] New CSS site
Mike - hilarious! I freaked out there for a sec!! Never fear, there a plenty of sites online that I hate and loathe too. Todd Dominey and whatdoiknow.org - the guy is a sensitive designer AND can program (it makes me sick!) ... www.jasonsantamaria.com ... damn, I've had that idea for ages and he goes and does it perfectly! Well, I could go on and on ... there's always someone better out there. And if you really want a kick in the face, just pick up a design annual. Argh! BTW, I was designing for many years before I started making sites - that helps. Back in college I had stuff like using white space etc. pounded into us. For inspiration, look at traditional design as well as other websites. Thanks mate! It's a great pleasure to give someone else the same reaction I always have! ;) Peter On 12/03/2004, at 3:54 PM, Michael Kear wrote: Oh, not because you did a rotten job in my opinion. On the contrary, its so good it reminds me of my own shortcomings in the artistic/design department. Every time I look at a nicely designed site, I say to myself DAMN! I wish Id have thought of that! The colours are all subtle where mine more resemble a bull in a china shop. You use white space where I couldnt bear to see it Id be sticking stuff in there and ruining the whole look. The header a single non-focussed image and a simple text label I love that but I wouldnt have thought of it in a million years. And that makes me mad Youve done a really good job and you should be proud of it. I wish I had it in my portfolio! Now Im going to pull up the design for the radio station Im working on and try again more subtle this time Michael!! x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
[WSG] Cascading background colors
Hi I seem to have problems with background colours replacing earlier background colours. For example styling a td white and then later on a td.classname blue. The subsequent colour is ignored. Is this a problem anyone else has come across? Thanks Peter x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
[WSG] Cascading background colors
Damn, just answered my own question.
I had this:
table td {
background-color: #fff;
}
table.title {
background-color: #81a1d6;
}
But it needed to be this:
table td {
background-color: #fff;
}
table.title td {
background-color: #81a1d6;
}
Doh!
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Re: [WSG] turning back to the dark side...
Good one Ross! Nice site ... though maybe a bit more leading in the body copy would make it easy to read (sorry for being picky). And by the way ... I'm your father. Peter ;) On 09/03/2004, at 4:00 PM, Paul Ross wrote: As a footnote to this thread I want to add that I did in fact stick to the light and the way and the website was launched as XHTML/CSS. Universal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
Re: [WSG] A few questions needing answers
Thanks James and the others who replied, much appreciated. I've since disposed of the middleman and talked directly to the host and found out that the problems I was told existed do not at all - there's a lesson learnt! As for the other - yep, a step too far into programming land for me. I think I'll leave it to the experts! Thanks for the help all, Peter On 06/03/2004, at 12:02 PM, James Ellis wrote: Hope this helps. James x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
[WSG] A few questions needing answers
Hello fellow pit miners! I have a couple of questions that have plagued me lately - feel free to ignore these if they are too OT, but if not, perhaps someone can shine a lamp into the dark corners of my ignorance ... so to speak ... Forms on Websites Is there a good place that explains/makes available the coding involved for putting simple forms on sites? My programming knowledge doesn't go beyond css, xhtml and using JavaScript nuggets, but I've always wanted to be able to put contact forms on my sites. Relative vs Absolute Links I came across a server host the other day who insists on having all links in my site as absolute. Not only do I have to change all my links, but I can't check changes to my site without uploading it first. Why would he insist on such a thing? Do I have to go along with it or should he change *his* system? HTML vs PHP I notice a lot of sites I admire are using .php pages instead of .html. What are the advantages of this system, is learning basic php a nightmare and should I even contemplate it? I often download css ssites I admire to my computer to study and changing the .php suffixes to .html seems to not affect the working of the site at all. Thanks for any enlightenment! Cheers Peter PS I'm going to be sneaky and throw in this, but only cause it might be very useful to any Sydney designers - my colleagues and I have studio space for up to 3 people available. It's the best studio in town - check it out at http://www.universalhead.com/studio x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
Re: [WSG] He said she said :-) FIR and other such techniques
I'm here John! Really, I'm not the anti-accessibility guy you think I am ... I just believe in good design, and good design has to communicate. In most cases that gels exactly with your own philosophy. :) Congrats on StyleMaster BTW! P On 04/03/2004, at 9:11 AM, John Allsopp wrote: OK, so you don't get an exact font match. I know some people disagree (Peter=Universal Head are you out there) but that is simply not the way of the web. x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
[WSG] silly question about meta tags
Dumb question but ... Do you repeat your META tags on every page of your site, or only the index page? Thanks Peter * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] silly question about meta tags
Thanks for the replies. I didn't realise they should be specific to each page - I would set them up once and then repeat on every page. BTW, is there a site somewhere that describes them all? I have a few I use that I only half understand - 'Robots', for example, and 'MSSmartTagsPreventParsing' Peter x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
Re: [WSG] silly question about meta tags
Interesting - so why do we all religiously add meta descriptions and keywords, not to mention all the other stuff? Curious. Peter On 26/02/2004, at 4:14 PM, Peter Firminger wrote: In fact, we believe that only one (not too significant) SE looks at them at all and they would be far down the decision list there anyway as they are perfect spambait for spamming the engines with incorrect metadata. x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
Re: [WSG] Mozilla problem
More incredibly clear, helpful, well-communicated knowledge from Russ. Thanks mate. Peter On 20/02/2004, at 7:59 AM, russ weakley wrote: If this is your problem, an explanation of why and how is here: http://www.maxdesign.com.au/presentation/floatsample.htm x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
Re: [WSG] Opera
I'm curious - does anyone really think that getting things spot on for Opera is important? Hasn't this browser got a miniscule user base? And Opera seems to give me almost as many problems as IE anyway. Interested ... Peter On 19/02/2004, at 3:53 AM, LC 55 wrote: A screenshot of http://www.ddavenportphotography.com/contact.html looks like this: http://lc55.co.uk/test/rbaggs.jpg in Opera 7. x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
Re: [WSG] Opera
That's strange because I find that everytime I get a site working in everything else, I check Opera and something's wrong. I suppose this could be that it adheres the closest to the specs, though no one's told me why the old 'margin: 0 auto trick' doesn't seem to work in Opera (ie content that centres in all other browsers is moved about 5px left in Opera). Peter On 19/02/2004, at 9:03 AM, Peter Ottery wrote: I'm not sure (someone else on the list may be) but I think Opera is *very* close to adhering to all the CSS2 specs - meaning if you get your page looking sweet in Opera (and mozilla/firebird) everything goes well from there... so yeah, Opera is pretty important from my perspective.. x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
[WSG] IE5 Mac and vertical margins
IE 5.2 for the Mac has an annoying habit of collapsing vertical margins. Anyone got the skinny on this? Thanks Peter * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] Opera
Thanks for all the info on Opera folks. My practice up to now has been to code to look good in Safari and Mozilla, and then fix up the IE problems. Good points and info all, cheers. Peter x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
[WSG] bit of help needed !
Hi Could someone have a look at this: http://www.universalhead.com/clients/test http://www.universalhead.com/clients/test/css/main.css Two problems: - I can't get that formbox div (I've put a border around it to make its boundaries to clear) to sit vertically aligned and to the right of that bar, no matter what combination of floats and inlines and whatever else I use. Floating it right works in some browsers and pushes outside it's containing div in others. and - in Mac Mozilla and PC NN7 the 1px bottom borders on the sidenav list sometimes close up. I'd very much appreciate some insight into these two annoying problems, Cheers Peter x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
Re: [WSG] bit of help needed !
I think I've worked it out now, but perhaps someone could look at the code and let me know if I did it the right way ... Thanks Peter http://www.universalhead.com/clients/test http://www.universalhead.com/clients/test/css/main.css * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] bit of help needed !
Still stumped on this one though! ;) http://www.universalhead.com/clients/test http://www.universalhead.com/clients/test/css/main.css - in Mac Mozilla and PC NN7 the 1px bottom borders on the sidenav list sometimes close up. x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
Re: [WSG] bit of help needed !
This is what I was trying to find out about before - why does Opera shift everything? It's a simple content container div with horizontal margins set to auto. I'll try the other suggestion, thanks. P On 17/02/2004, at 11:20 AM, Michael Donnermeyer wrote: Opera of course has the 4px or so gap at the top, and the whole content part is shifted 10 or 15 pixels left. But, on the bright side it's not collapsing the borders. x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
Re: [WSG] WHYYY??? WHYYYY???
There's no margin or padding. These days this is the first thing I check. Thanks to the inestimable, exalted, talented, selfless, charitable Hugh Todd it's starting to work. If in doubt, make both of the b*astards float left. How do you all handle this folks? My brain is going to pop. As I said to Hugh, I always hated Rubik's Cubes, and this CSS stuff is like one big twenty-sided one. With colours that randomly change. P On 17/02/2004, at 5:33 PM, Mark Stanton wrote: margin+border+padding+width (in IE6) > margin+border+padding+width (in everything else) x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
[WSG] Opera and centering
Opera seems to have problems centering divs (with margin: 0 auto;) - is there a workaround to fix this? Thanks Peter * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] Problem Validating CSS
I beg of you, don't discard the 'curly varieties' - they are the typographical correct apostrophes. The non-curly versions are an ugly pox on mankind and should only be used to delineate feet and inches. Peter On 11/02/2004, at 2:30 PM, Peter Firminger wrote: Also be aware of em-dashes, en-dashes, epsilons (...) and the curly varieties of and ' (which I hate and always strip back to the plain text version). x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
Re: [WSG] Problem Validating CSS
Naw, I can live with the three dot thing ;) P But I'd rather stick with 3 dots (...) as I have seen this one break badly in a search result or text browser or something, can't remember where now. May just be a stubborn bad habit. Sorry if that worries Peter (UH) as well. x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
Re: [WSG] Traitor unmasked! (Pete's layout fixed)
Well kids, once again I am completely gobsmacked by this truly excellent list. If I had any hair this list would have definitely saved it. Hugh, can't thank you enough for going to all that trouble. Especially since I was such a pain at the last writing club meeting. ;) Only thing is, now I've got to go back and redo the site *again*, after getting it right with tables. Damn you! (Joke ..!) Great work matey. Now get back to work! ;) Thanks again everybody. Peter * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] Yep, going slowly insane
Tell me, if a divs within a div are floated, they should float only WITHIN that div shouldn't they? Or does a float affect the whole page even if it's nested in a separate div? Peter * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] Traitor unmasked!
I mean 'comments.' P :) On 07/02/2004, at 4:57 PM, Universal Head wrote: Thankyou for the helpful and interesting comment (love the Frodo allusion Ryan) * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] reply to Safari question
What tha - how does this work? On 04/02/2004, at 6:17 PM, Sean A Corfield wrote: The debug menu is extremely useful: it can pretend to be a bunch of different browsers, it has a basic load test engine built in, it can show the DOM tree... x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerPeter Gifford Universal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
Re: [WSG] Could someone please do a little testing for me?
What about Netscape? On 05/02/2004, at 3:09 PM, Mark Stanton wrote: Here's a screeny of IE5 on windows. My cursor is over the work removal. There's a pretty easy way to get different versions of IE running side by side - check some of these links: http://www.insert-title.com/web_design/?page=articles/dev/multi_IE http://www.clagnut.com/blog/259/ http://www.google.com.au/search?q=IE+side+by+side x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerUniversal Head Design That Works. 7/43 Bridge Rd Stanmore NSW 2048 Australia T (+612) 9517 1466 F (+612) 9565 4747 E [EMAIL PROTECTED] W www.universalhead.com
Re: [WSG] reply to Safari question
Now THAT's a smart idea - old browsers that expire. If only IE and NN did that! Peter Safari V 1.2 Actually takes over the old safari which expires. they are still having a few javascripting issues where some scripts still wont work. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
[WSG] Programmer's Challenge
I was thinking today, what the world needs now (apart from love, sweet love), is some genius programmer to come up with an app (must be OSX of course ...) that acts like a browser, but has a popup from which you can select a browser version and platform, which it then accurately emulates. You could then do all your previewing and checking within one browser app. Imagine how much time and effort that would save!! Is it even theoretically possible? Peter Gifford Universal Head Design That Works visit 7/43 bridge road stanmore nsw 2048 australia call (+612) 9517 1466 fax (+612) 9565 4747 [EMAIL PROTECTED] site www.universalhead.com
[WSG] Opera - hrumph - more like school play ...
Another day - another rendering mystery ... http://www.universalhead.com/clients/jazzfactory/jazzfactory/ http://www.universalhead.com/clients/jazzfactory/jazzfactory/css/main.css Everything's working fine everywhere EXCEPT Opera6 (Mac). For some reason Opera shifts the whole container to the left ... Sheesh, who the hell uses Opera anyway ...? Damn profusion of browsers making life difficult grumble grumble ... Can anyone spot what's causing this? Much obliged! Peter Gifford Universal Head Design That Works visit 7/43 bridge road stanmore nsw 2048 australia call (+612) 9517 1466 fax (+612) 9565 4747 [EMAIL PROTECTED] site www.universalhead.com
Re: [WSG] Opera - hrumph - more like school play ...
It's the margin: 0 auto 0 auto; in #container. but I'm sure you already knew that. Err, no I didn't. Opera has a problem with auto margins? How do I get the container to centre in Opera then? Funny thing is, Opera on my Mac seems to load the page forever and pushes the container even farther when I hit stop. That's weird, that doesn't happen on my Mac OSX 10.3.2. http://www.universalhead.com/clients/jazzfactory/jazzfactory/ http://www.universalhead.com/clients/jazzfactory/jazzfactory/css/ main.css * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] Programmer's Challenge [Virus checkedAU]
You hit my mental nail on the head Ryan. Peter On 03/02/2004, at 3:14 PM, Ryan Christie wrote: I think that what was more in our minds was a browser that could switch rendering engines on the fly in one window. For example, in the famous FB.7 release, if you navigate to a website that has different CSS styles available to be loaded, you can switch styles using an icon that pops up in the lower left-hand corner (for example, http://www.theward.net, or http://www.texturizer.net/firebird) ... If there was an application out there that I could use to switch from rendering engine to rendering engine, browser to browser ... I would galdly pay over US$100 for the convienience. I currently have all the separate browsers installed. Saying it's a pain in the ass to constantly check between 4 versions of IE, 3 versions of Netscape, 3 versions of Opera, Mozilla 1.5, Firebird.7, reboot into Linux, and check all the browsers in there is a HANEOUS understatement. --Ryan http://www.theward.net
[WSG] newbie discovers absolute positioning
Title: newbie discovers absolute positioning Opinions welcome: I'm working on a new job and looking at code on various sites I recently discovered the joys of creating a container that is centred position:relative with margin: 0 auto; in the browser window, and then setting divs within it that are position:absolute ,using top , left, width and height pixel settings, to the container. So far (up to the coloured boxes stage of the proceedings - thanks Russ!) everything seems to be working beautifully. Is it my imagination or is this method so much easier to work with than fiddling about with floats? I was shocked to see my layout work in all the test browsers, first time. Peter -- peter gifford universal head design that works visit 7/43 bridge road stanmore nsw 2048 australia call (+612) 9517 1466 fax (+612) 9565 4747 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] site www.universalhead.com
[WSG] printer speific pages
Can I ask to be pointed to the best tutorial for making printer specific pages on CSS sites? Thanks Peter -- peter gifford universal head design that works visit 7/43 bridge road stanmore nsw 2048 australia call(+612) 9517 1466 fax (+612) 9565 4747 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] sitewww.universalhead.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] more usable forms
I bought their 'Designing Without Tables Using CSS' book by the way, and found it remarkably misleading since most of it was about basic CSS while only briefly touching on layout CSS, and then only as regards to one type of layout. The reference section is handy, but apart from that the book was not worth the money. Oh, and despite a reference to the box model hack being described elsewhere in the text, it isn't. When I complained about how misleading the book's title was they just pointed me to their site and said there's a lot of other stuff there. Peter Mark, Russ, I didn't write the article, but sitepoint does have a facility to provide feedback (http://www.sitepoint.com/feedback/1273) and I know the author responsible is listening. Done. Thanks. -- peter gifford universal head design that works visit 7/43 bridge road stanmore nsw 2048 australia call(+612) 9517 1466 fax (+612) 9565 4747 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] sitewww.universalhead.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] last quirk on this site - help!
Argh! Urk! Of course.
Thankyou Hugh. And I'm still not buying an iSight.
P
Pete,
I think I've found the problem with your layout. Very easy to fix.
Try setting your #rightcolumn to float left instead of right:
#rightcolumn {
float: left;
border: none;
width: 220px;
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
}
-Hugh
Would anyone be able to identify this exciting new MacIE5-only behaviour?
http://universalhead.com/clients/jands/lighting.html
CSS at
http://universalhead.com/clients/jands/css/jands.css
It works in every other Mac and Win modern browser, but MacIE5
explodes the width of the maincontent div to make a ridiculously
wide layout.
I'd really appreciate someone cracking this last nut so I can
declare the CSS for this site DONE!
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Re: [WSG] close to pixel perfect ...
Sorry, badly expressed. It doesn't work - ie the margin is 3px not 5px - in Mac Safari and Mac Mozilla. Pete, Would someone mind checking this out for me: http://universalhead.com/ataglance/work_test.html CSS athttp://universalhead.com/ataglance/c/aag.css No matter what I do, the left column of info (div id=workmaincolumn) persists in being 3px from the right column instead of 5px in Safari and Firebird. So what doesn't it work in? -Hugh -- peter gifford universal head design that works visit 7/43 bridge road stanmore nsw 2048 australia call(+612) 9517 1466 fax (+612) 9565 4747 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] sitewww.universalhead.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] close to pixel perfect ...
Well, they won't be turned off, but I'd love to know for two reasons: - every other margin is 5px and I'm a perfectionist. 3px stops everything from lining up correctly. - I've spent ages on the CSS and in theory it SHOULD work so I'd like to know why for future reference. Why should they read a 5px margin as 3px? Thanks Peter Nice page. Question: will the users of Mac Mozilla and Mac Safari be turned off by the 2 pixel difference (unless it breaks the readability of the content)? They may think it's normal... -- peter gifford universal head design that works visit 7/43 bridge road stanmore nsw 2048 australia call(+612) 9517 1466 fax (+612) 9565 4747 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] sitewww.universalhead.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
[WSG] last quirk on this site - help!
Would anyone be able to identify this exciting new MacIE5-only behaviour? http://universalhead.com/clients/jands/lighting.html CSS at http://universalhead.com/clients/jands/css/jands.css It works in every other Mac and Win modern browser, but MacIE5 explodes the width of the maincontent div to make a ridiculously wide layout. I'd really appreciate someone cracking this last nut so I can declare the CSS for this site DONE! Cheers Peter -- peter gifford universal head design that works visit 7/43 bridge road stanmore nsw 2048 australia call(+612) 9517 1466 fax (+612) 9565 4747 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] sitewww.universalhead.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] OT: damn I feel old
Frickin' 'eck mate, panic not - I just turned 38. However my girlfriend is younger, I'm still in a working originals band, I get told I look like I'm early 30s, and I just taught myself CSS. So there. ;) The-not-defensive-at-all, Peter There is really no other way of finding this out other than posting to the list, so here goes some OT goodness: A couple of 'youngsters' posted today, one 17 (from Plone.org) and one 16, both must be pretty competent web designers from the links they've posted, especially Plone, i love what they do! Made me feel a bit long in the tooth at 27, so I started wondering how old you gurus are? Would be good to get an idea of where we sit demographically... p.s. if you don't want to post your age on the list, feel free to email me direct if you really want to be part of my little survey... -- peter gifford universal head design that works visit 7/43 bridge road stanmore nsw 2048 australia call(+612) 9517 1466 fax (+612) 9565 4747 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] sitewww.universalhead.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
[WSG] the IE whitespace bug and insanity
Can I just express, perhaps for the several thousandth time here, how INCREDIBLY ANNOYING the Win IE whitespace bug is, and how it has been responsible for more frustration and wasted time than I can possibly express. If there are any newbies out there - remember, unwanted spaces appearing when you view in Win IE, probably means lose those formatting spaces in your code - you know, the ones that make it easy to read and stay organised. Thankyou for listening. exhausted sigh Peter -- peter gifford universal head design that works visit 7/43 bridge road stanmore nsw 2048 australia call(+612) 9517 1466 fax (+612) 9565 4747 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] sitewww.universalhead.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
[WSG] stumped by these ones
Hope someone can help me with these last problems - I'm stumped. See http://www.universalhead.com/clients/jands/ Everything's fine in Safari, Mac Mozilla Firebird, Win Netscape7.1 and Win IE5. In Win IE 6 the bottom right-hand image goes down underneath the others. I've tried everything and can't find a solution. In Mac IE5.2 the whole layout breaks, and I have no idea why. Please help! I'm at the home stretch and this is the last hurdle! CSS is at http://universalhead.com/clients/jands/css/jands.css It's a picky business this CSS ain't it? Many, many thanks, -- peter gifford universal head design that works visit 7/43 bridge road stanmore nsw 2048 australia call(+612) 9517 1466 fax (+612) 9565 4747 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] sitewww.universalhead.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] stumped by these ones
Try adding div style='clear: both;' before closing the subfeaturebox2 div: div class=subfeaturebox2div style='clear: both;'/div This worked, but I can you explain why? If I add the 'clear:both' rule to the .subfeaturebox2 selector it doesn't work - only if I put it in the html as described above. Thanks for the solution but I'd love to understand why it has to be done this way. Cheers Peter -- peter gifford universal head design that works visit 7/43 bridge road stanmore nsw 2048 australia call(+612) 9517 1466 fax (+612) 9565 4747 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] sitewww.universalhead.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] stumped by these ones
I'm beginning to flirt with the concept of despair - it seems everytime I fix something in one browser it causes a problem in another browser! I know there's a learning curve with this stuff but this is getting ridiculous. So far this site has taken me double the time it would take to do a normal site, all for the pleasure of simplifying the code and giving advantages to the client that, to be totally honest, they couldn't care a tinker's cuss about. If someone has the time and the inclination please check this out for me and let me know what's going on. After redoing the divs for the index page, it's now working for Mac IE5.2 and broken in Win IE6. ARGH! http://www.universalhead.com/clients/jands/ http://universalhead.com/clients/jands/css/jands.css Much appreciated - save from writing off this whole bloody css business as unprofitable! Peter -- peter gifford universal head design that works visit 7/43 bridge road stanmore nsw 2048 australia call(+612) 9517 1466 fax (+612) 9565 4747 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] sitewww.universalhead.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] stumped by these ones
You've done great work so far - stick with it! But-slowly-going-insane- I know the feeling of frustration with this sort of stuff, but believe me it does get a bit easier with each site you build. What also happens is that maintenance on these sites becomes very easy as well. God I hope so because this is fast becoming the least profitable job I've done in ten years in the biz! Did my previous post regarding Mac IE 5 needing widths for floats and the issue that the voice-family hack may be hiding the widths for some floats from Mac IE 5 help at all? I didn't quite understand this, as how can avoid using the box model hack in this case? Also, try sending a different stylesheet to Mac IE 5: @import 'nonmac.css'; /* for everyone but mac ie 5 */ @im\port mac.css; /* for mac ie5 */ I was sort of hoping that would be a last resort! ;) In the short term, if you need to get the project finished quickly, this may now be a viable option (i know it's a hack...). This way you can keep your voice family hacks within the non-mac CSS, and remove it from the Mac CSS. If you have time at a later stage, you can go back and try to minimise the amount of hacks in the non-mac CSS, so that it the CSS works cross platform. Thanks David, if no one comes up with an elegant (!) solution I'll do this. Appreciate the help. Anyone else gonna take on this sucker?? Peter -- peter gifford universal head design that works visit 7/43 bridge road stanmore nsw 2048 australia call(+612) 9517 1466 fax (+612) 9565 4747 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] sitewww.universalhead.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] good coding app
Great responses on the coding app question. I discovered skEdit as a result, which I find excellent. I'm now looking at huge dinosaurs like GoLive and thinking what the hell did I need all that for? Thanks folks, Peter -- peter gifford universal head design that works visit 7/43 bridge road stanmore nsw 2048 australia call(+612) 9517 1466 fax (+612) 9565 4747 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] sitewww.universalhead.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] entities
Thanks very much for that - now I get it! Peter rsquo; is an alternate (easier to remember) code than the official unicode definition of #8217. All possible characters have a specific number assigned to them in Unicode. The lettered helpers came out after unicode was out to ease the pain of having to remember a set of digits that had nothing to do with the character being assigned. As such, browser support for the lettered versions can faulter. The numbered version is official Unicode, and should be recognized just about anywhere. -- peter gifford universal head design that works visit 7/43 bridge road stanmore nsw 2048 australia call(+612) 9517 1466 fax (+612) 9565 4747 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] sitewww.universalhead.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] free web accessibility checking toolbar
Windows only unfortunately :( Peter Steven Faulkner, from the Accessible Information Solutions (AIS) team, has developed a free web accessibility checking toolbar for Internet Explorer http://www.nils.org.au/ais/web/resources/toolbar/ The Accessibility Toolbar software contains a range of Tools: To examine discrete aspects (structure/code/content) of a html document To facilitate the use of 3rd party applications To simulate the user experience of different users Along with a range of references and additional resources. -- peter gifford universal head design that works visit 7/43 bridge road stanmore nsw 2048 australia call(+612) 9517 1466 fax (+612) 9565 4747 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] sitewww.universalhead.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] entities
What's the technical difference between the two options? Are the numeric entities the original form and the typographical ones more recent? The reason this came up is that I've been using the numeric ones, and then I started using skEdit which is an excellent coding tool, but uses the typographical entities. Peter A quick HTML Entities question. For a closed single quote, for example, is it better to use rsquo; or #8217; - and what is the distinction? -- peter gifford universal head design that works visit 7/43 bridge road stanmore nsw 2048 australia call(+612) 9517 1466 fax (+612) 9565 4747 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] sitewww.universalhead.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
[WSG] variable column heights
One thing I can't quite seem to work out - if I have two divs floating next to each other - two columns say, both with 1 pixel outlines - how can I get the column heights to match if they have different amounts of content? I've got a horrible feeling I'm asking something *really* obvious ... -- peter gifford universal head design that works visit 7/43 bridge road stanmore nsw 2048 australia call(+612) 9517 1466 fax (+612) 9565 4747 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] sitewww.universalhead.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] how would I do this?
Title: RE: [WSG] how would I do this?
Whoops sorry about that. There's also a:
mg.logo {
float: left;
border-right: 1px #b0bcc0
solid;
}
You guys are quick ...!
Peter
Hey Peter
I think we are missing something
here. What is the style on
class=logo. Is it float:
left?
Cheers
Mark
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Re: [WSG] how would I do this?
Thankyou for the excellent advice Russ and Mark, much appreciated! I went for setting the height in this case, but the other options were very educational. I'll be sure to post the completed site for your comments (when it's valid that is!). cheers Peter -- peter gifford universal head design that works visit 7/43 bridge road stanmore nsw 2048 australia call(+612) 9517 1466 fax (+612) 9565 4747 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] sitewww.universalhead.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] back again but with no tables
Title: RE: [WSG] back again but with no
tables
Tim
I love you and want to have your babies, and I mean that most
sincerely.
You just solved all my problems in one succinct fell swoop.
Brilliant. There's no way I would have stumbled on those
solutions.
I'm learning, I know I'm learning, but there's SO much to
remember ...!
Thanks mate,
Peter
The
floating item in the html appears below the thing you want to float
over:
you need
to move the #sidecolumn above #maincolumn in the
html.
I think
russ has something that explains it better, as always
=)
Also in
#wrapper reset text-align:left;
this
should stop it centering the middle column
#wrapper
{
text-align: left;
}
(just add
it on to the other stuff)
also in
the #sidecolumn, you have a ul but you have to remove the
default margins/padding otherwise it pushes the box too
big.
try
#sidecolumn ul {
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
}
And one
last thing, you forgot the starting { on the html#maincolumn /* be
nice to opera */
so put
that on, and it should be sweet
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[WSG] AudioSite template - almost there ...
Title: AudioSite template - almost there ... Almost there, but before I spread this design throughout my site, can I ask a few more questions. I've checked validation but the problems come from a few things for which there may be better alternatives - suggestions most welcome. Some of this I cobbled from other sites and while it works, there may be better ways of doing things. http://universalhead.com/clients/jands/audio.html CSS at: http://universalhead.com/clients/jands/css/jands.css On the page: - the search field is just a placeholder for the moment - I use a bit of _javascript_ to create image rollovers. This causes Validation problems. Is there a better way to do these rollovers? - I get a bunch of these, which I don't understand: Line 65, column 150: document type does not allow element h2 here; missing one of object, applet, map, iframe, button, ins, del start-tag ...t=75 alt=Shure class=logo /h2Shure/h2/apBrief summary of produ - in IE 5 and Opera 6 on the Mac, I get two problems: - a bit of whitespace to the left of the square icon link images - the bit of text and the search field under the navigation don't line up the same way as in all browsers I've fiddled with these problems but have come up out of my depth. VERY much appreciate help with this folks - I'm gunning towards the best coded site I've every made and the help here is absolutely invaluable. Free beers for those passing by my studio in Stanmore! Cheers Peter -- peter gifford universal head design that works visit 7/43 bridge road stanmore nsw 2048 australia call (+612) 9517 1466 fax (+612) 9565 4747 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] site www.universalhead.com
[WSG] breadcrumbs
Happy new year you crazy coders ... I believe there was some code or an article for creating 'breadcrumb' trails on a website. Anyone remember an article on this subject? Thanks -- peter gifford universal head design that works visit 7/43 bridge road stanmore nsw 2048 australia call(+612) 9517 1466 fax (+612) 9565 4747 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] sitewww.universalhead.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
RE: [WSG] breadcrumbs
Many thanks Lindsay. It'll be interesting to see if I can sort it out (being a designer first and definitely a coder second) but it's good info to have. Cheers! Peter Universal Head wrote: Happy new year you crazy coders ... I believe there was some code or an article for creating 'breadcrumb' trails on a website. Anyone remember an article on this subject? Probably the Evolt site: PHP: http://www.evolt.org/article/Breadcrumbs_for_PHP_Lovers/17/4455/ ASP: http://www.evolt.org/article/Breadcrumbs_for_Those_Using_ASP/17/4438/evolt.o rg And there is a Dreamweaver extension to create ColdFusion breadcrumbs (if you're into that sorta thing): http://www.massimocorner.com/ud/coldfusion.htm -- peter gifford universal head design that works visit 7/43 bridge road stanmore nsw 2048 australia call(+612) 9517 1466 fax (+612) 9565 4747 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] sitewww.universalhead.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
[WSG] Small bug
Title: Small bug A small bug I can't seem to track down: http://universalhead.com/clients/jands/ There's padding around the nav links that only appears in Mozilla and I can't seem to work out why ... Much obliged y'all. Hey, and work in progress exhibited on this list is confidential, right? Peter -- peter gifford universal head design that works visit 7/43 bridge road stanmore nsw 2048 australia call (+612) 9517 1466 fax (+612) 9565 4747 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] site www.universalhead.com
RE: [WSG] Small bug
Completely understand, please excuse my newbie ignorance. Still learning. I'll fix all the problems ASAP! Cheers Peter Hi Peter Firstly - this is a public list. Anyone can sign up all messages posted to the list are archived online at http://www.mail-archive.com/wsg%40webstandardsgroup.org/. If you want to keep something secret this list is not the place to do it. I don't mean to come across as being to harsh, but please check over Russ's email at http://www.mail-archive.com/wsg%40webstandardsgroup.org/msg00835.html (extract below) and also Mark Pilgrim's Why we won't help you post at http://diveintomark.org/archives/2003/05/05/why_we_wont_help_you. I guess the main issue is that before we can accurately diagnose your issue provide suggestions we need to be working with a valid site. Your site does not validate, in fact it does not even have a doctype. If you have issues with getting the site to validate or with picking a doctype we'd be more than happy to help with that, but lets deal with these issues before getting into specifics of padding and so on. Please don't be discouraged by this post we are more than happy to help you but we need to get the fundamentals in place before we're going to make any real progress. Cheers Mark -- peter gifford universal head design that works visit 7/43 bridge road stanmore nsw 2048 australia call(+612) 9517 1466 fax (+612) 9565 4747 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] sitewww.universalhead.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
[WSG] Strange Netscape list button behaviour
Title: Strange Netscape list button behaviour HELP! http://universalhead.com/clients/oceanwavedigital/support_server.html I've tried everything, but I can't work out why the CSS for the left menu is not working properly in Netscape (PC and Mac - works fine in IE). There are 1 and 2 pixel differences in the width of the list element buttons. I've tried fiddling with the list css in every possible combinations and I can't see the logic behind why this is happening. I'd really appreciate it if anyone could come up with an explanation for this. Cheers Peter -- peter gifford universal head design that works visit 7/43 bridge road stanmore nsw 2048 australia call (+612) 9517 1466 fax (+612) 9565 4747 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] site www.universalhead.com
Re: [WSG] Strange Netscape list button behaviour
Title: Re: [WSG] Strange Netscape list button behaviour on the PC, the latest - 7.1. also Mozilla 1.5 on the mac P what version of netscape? Universal Head wrote: Strange Netscape list button behaviour HELP! http://universalhead.com/clients/oceanwavedigital/support_server.html I've tried everything, but I can't work out why the CSS for the left menu is not working properly in Netscape (PC and Mac * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ * -- peter gifford universal head design that works visit 7/43 bridge road stanmore nsw 2048 australia call (+612) 9517 1466 fax (+612) 9565 4747 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] site www.universalhead.com
