Re: [WSG] [OT] NZ vs Aust
WE ARE NOT AUSSIES WE ARE CLEARLY DIFFERENT/SUPERIOR TO THE AUSSIES KIWI'S RULE!!! For someone to say we are one in the same, its an unsult. ___ Cameron W (aka t94xr) http://www.t94xr.net.nz/ XHTML CSS Compliant. Taupo, NZ. - Original Message - From: Mike Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 4:31 PM Subject: [WSG] [OT] NZ vs Aust Natalie Yeah, but the Kiwis are not Australians, they are New Zealanders, so Natalie we have an excuse ;p ok, I know this is waaay off-topic, and I *do* promise no more posts on it, but trash talking is trash talking :) So, to use a couple of pertinent title tags from Natalie's site http://www.pixelkitty.net/ ... No, Kiwis are not Australians - Love it or Shove it and as for Australians .. hmmm ... - all talk, no walk springs to mind :) Mike Brown (ducking and running in NZ) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] [OT] NZ vs Aust
Guys, To put a final end to this topic You Aussies will never have us Kiwis. We would rather bring our country down to get away from yours. Its embarrasing when people mix us up when they mention down under. And besides, theres a clear line between us Kiwis and you aussies. We are a much superior people. :D ___ Cameron W (aka t94xr) http://www.t94xr.net.nz/ XHTML CSS Compliant. Taupo, NZ. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] HTML CSS references
http://www.forumimages.com/ref/html/index.php heres one :D ___ Cameron W (aka t94xr) http://www.t94xr.net.nz/ XHTML CSS Compliant. Taupo, NZ. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Ikon
From: Peter Firminger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] Ikon You go to bed for a few hours and look what happens! Ikon has left the building! P yeah i know what you mean. I just purchased a 6pk of Ikon energy drinks couple of nights ago and they've disappeared aswell. hmm _ Cameron W (aka t94xr) http://freelance.t94xr.net.nz/ XHTML CSS Compliant Webdesigner. Taupo, NZ. Mob: 021 050-7304 * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] After CSS?
Well done. Sadly there are alot of webdesigners unlike you who are still in the Photoshop phase and dont seem to be leaving it anytime soon. I would say if you know all that, learn how to setup a domain, and get yourself up. Then you can play at ur hearts content. If you love CSS - use Topstyle - it enters you into another kind of phase. Dreamweaver MX 2004 for your XHTML coding and PHP coding. Localhost (convert your computer into a makeshift HTTP server and run ur sites with PHP. Small HTTP Server is recommended for a small one. ___ Cameron W (aka t94xr) http://www.t94xr.net.nz/ XHTML CSS Compliant. Taupo, NZ. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Re:
Yes i agree highly - im glad you brought tho my attention. We should discuss this to the highest level of WSG discussion. _Cameron W (aka t94xr)http://freelance.t94xr.net.nz/XHTML CSS Compliant Webdesigner.Taupo, NZ.Mob: 021 050-7304 - Original Message - From: Russ To: Wsg Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 7:16 PM Subject: [WSG] Re: PredatorsPassword:
Re: [WSG] Brisbane July Meeting - Report
From: Lea de Groot [EMAIL PROTECTED] A very interesting and detailed open forum followed - for those who were unable to attend, you *really* missed something! Next meeting should be Wed September 8 - put it in your diary now! :) And what do we do if we are in New Zealand? Can you have a meeting here and let us join? ___ Cameron W (aka t94xr) http://www.t94xr.net.nz/ XHTML CSS Compliant. Taupo, NZ. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] CSS based redesign of http://www.mckinseyquarterly.com/
/* @import url(template.css); */ /* @import url(article-tools.css); */ /* @import url(article-list.css); */ /* @import url(store.css); */ /* @import url(TOC.css); */ OMG theres organisational skills but then theres organisational skills. imports are now generally used for IE css bug fixes. but thats a bit overboard. _ Cameron W (aka t94xr) http://freelance.t94xr.net.nz/ XHTML CSS Compliant Webdesigner. Taupo, NZ. Mob: 021 050-7304 * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] CSS based redesign of http://www.mckinseyquarterly.com/
imports are now generally used for IE css bug fixes. but thats a bit overboard. Could you qualify this statement please? @import is used to import stylesheets. We don't want to give members who might be new to CSS the wrong idea here. thats one valid point. but its a trend to put IE CSS fixes and hacks in a file imported by IE !--[if IE]-- Conditional comments have slowly been the new IE import. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Does anybody know an expandable vertical css/js menu based on uls?
I found this expandable CSS div with JS when i was working at ForumImages. http://www.forumimages.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=324highlight=FICodeExpand ___ Cameron W (aka t94xr) http://www.t94xr.net.nz/ XHTML CSS Compliant. Taupo, NZ. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Does anybody know an expandable vertical css/js menu based on uls?
I found this expandable CSS div with JS when i was working at ForumImages. http://www.forumimages.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=324highlight=FICodeExpand ___ Cameron W (aka t94xr) http://www.t94xr.net.nz/ XHTML CSS Compliant. Taupo, NZ. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Hiding email address from spambots with CSS
thats actually very good :) Thanks :) ___ Cameron W (aka t94xr) http://www.t94xr.net.nz/ XHTML CSS Compliant. Taupo, NZ. - Original Message - From: Neerav [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 12:50 AM Subject: [WSG] Hiding email address from spambots with CSS I havent tried this, but it sounds interesting http://www.phoenity.com/newtedge/hide_email_spambots/ -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27 http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Hiding email address from spambots with CSS
- Original Message - From: Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] I use the following javascript. It works well for me. Ted - the downside beign they dont use a JS enabled browser? They cant contact you. Better is a PHP Contact Form John Wyles has one - a very good one indeed. ___ Cameron W (aka t94xr) http://www.t94xr.net.nz/ XHTML CSS Compliant. Taupo, NZ. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] webstandards.org.nz - taken!! :O
Well here was just about to register webstandards.org.nz with my domain agency to my suprise it was taken!! http://www.webstandards.org.nz/ Moral: Always check to see if the URL is valid in a browser, before you try and register it! ___ Cameron W (aka t94xr) http://www.t94xr.net.nz/ XHTML CSS Compliant webdesigner. Taupo, NZ. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] What do browsers download?
this may sound like a stupid answer but wouldnt it be like an html page of somesort. t94xr http://www.t94xr.net.nz/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] 508??
Sure, if you explain what on earth you're talking about. -- tim 508 is this, http://www.contentquality.com/mynewtester/cynthia.exe?rptmode=-1runcr=1url1=http://www.t94xr.net.nz/ Conformance to web accessability standards produced by the W3C. Basically those ponts there tell you wats required for 508 compliance. Its a first and simple step. t94xr http://www.t94xr.net.nz/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] 508??
Sure, if you explain what on earth you're talking about. -- tim 508 is this, http://www.contentquality.com/mynewtester/cynthia.exe?rptmode=-1runcr=1url1=http://www.t94xr.net.nz/ Conformance to web accessability standards produced by the W3C. Basically those ponts there tell you wats required for 508 compliance. Its a first and simple step. t94xr http://www.t94xr.net.nz/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Unsubscribe
He has a good valid point. - Original Message - From: Paulo Rodrigo Teixeira To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 3:14 AM Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [WSG] Unsubscribe Yahoo! Mail - Participe da pesquisa global sobre o Yahoo! Mail. Clique aqui!
Re: [WSG] Free presentation for Sydney WSG members and their bosses
I hate asking this :P Can you setup a couple of nights over here in NZ and do it aswell I know plenty of people who would love to go see it. Camz (aka t94xr) http://www.t94xr.net.nz/ Taupo NZ XHTML CSS Webdevelper (PHP Newbie) - Original Message - From: russ - maxdesign [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Web Standards Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:59 AM Subject: [WSG] Free presentation for Sydney WSG members and their bosses As a preview to WE04, Web Essentials and the Web Standards Group will be hosting a free briefing in Sydney for executives and decision makers, addressing the business issues associated with web standards and accessibility. In other words, we want you to bring your bosses along for a short presentation - so we can help persuade them of the importance of web standards. Roger Hudson (Web Usability) and John Allsopp (Westciv) will cover the core aspects of web development best practice from the perspective of the decision maker. Roger, John, Peter Ottery (F2) and others will then be available for questions - over a drink and a bite to eat. We will also be giving away 1 pass to the Web Essentials conference, 3 copies of Style Master and more... anything to get your boss to come :) Cost: Free Date: Thursday July 1, 2004 Time: 6:00pm for 6.30pm start (refreshments supplied) Venue: Red Square. 49 Greek Street Glebe 2037 Australia RSVP: [EMAIL PROTECTED] More: http://www.we04.com/briefing.cfm Thanks Russ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] OT - Standards Compliant Websites Directory
HELL YEAH!!! - Original Message - From: Razvan Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2003 5:58 AM Subject: [WSG] OT - Standards Compliant Websites Directory Hello. I've started to build a Standards Compliant Websites Directory. A Web Directory where only Valid W3C sites will be accepted. What do you think? Should I continue? * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Recommended Books
HTML XHTML - The Definitive Guide 5th Edition (O'Reilly-2002) O'Reilly Cascading Style Sheets The Definitive Guide New Riders - Speed Up Your Site- 1st Ed 2003 [CHM] Website Analysis Reporting Generally anything I mean ANYTHING of Eric Meyers Camz * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Mac testers please
Hi all, I was wondering if anyone could be so kind as to test my site using IE for Mac 5+ and Safari http://www.v2.shockmedia.com.au Thanks. Damn, forget the rest of the site - put her as the only thing on the page and you'll have everyone still agreeing its a great site. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] XHTML Transitional - Strict
Title: XHTML Transitional -> Strict Strict isnt much different from Trrans no a target="_blank" theres a _javascript_ replacement. other than theres a cuopkle of things but W3C will tell you about them. Simple. Camz www.t94xr.net.nz - Original Message - From: Jamie Mason To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 9:00 PM Subject: [WSG] XHTML Transitional - Strict Hello all, I was hoping one of you could tell me, or know any url's that would be helpful on moving from XHTML Transitional to Strict. What are the main things to look out for when moving over? What is allowed in Transitional that has to be removed for strict? Thanks a lot, Jamie Mason: Design T: (01423) 700849
Re: [WSG] ALPHA Testers Needed
I agree I think Topstyle is the program you should have a go to try and beat mate. Although its pretty hard, it has a cult following the guys talented And Macromedia was focrced to put heaps of focus on Dreamweavers CSS capabilites cuz TS is the CSS GOD. Its pretty hard to beat. You prepared for that level of programming? Just being honest - but it is hard to move a cult followed application. Camz. - Original Message - From: Kay Smoljak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 11:03 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] ALPHA Testers Needed BTW - IF there are any programs out there that do this - please let me know! I think I can do most, if not all of that with TopStyle Stylesweepers. You can save the parameters ton run them again - I have a super-compressed stylesweeper, and an ultra-readable one. -- Kay Smoljak http://kay.smoljak.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Have stared too long
I wouldnt bother with Netscape 7.1 Valdiation. Rebuild your site somewhat so it works in Opera IE Mozilla 1.6+ Netscape hasnt got long left till it passes on. Camz. www.t94xr.net.nz - Original Message - From: Veine K Vikberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 8:36 AM Subject: [WSG] Have stared too long and I am probably missing something really simple; This is the page in question: http://nrotc.mainemaritime.edu/goals.html (css in separate file) This Page Is Valid XHTML 1.0 Strict and before jigsaw went down, the CSS was having no errors as well. It also passes as Section 508 (which are the goals for the site) The page looks kind of intended in Netscape 7.1, but no where else (IE, Opera etc) My main problem is the blasted unordered list where the bullets disappear in IE, and the picture going off to the left in Opera. Any help would is appreciated as I have spent the last 5 hours trying to get this one to work. Disclaimer: the css file is huge and probably have a lot of extras that needs to be taken out, but as long as I can't get it to work as intended I am not prone to cut anything out .. TIA ~Veine Veine K Vikberg * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] overflow: auto;
Title: Re: [WSG] overflow: auto; Doesnt it?! http://www.danvine.com/icapture/detail/51923.html works ok on iCapture?
Re: [WSG] Interesting reading
I can't believe y'all are taking this guy seriously enough to even comment - it's pretty obvious to this newbie to css standards, he's trolling - he got you ~ I think enough has been said about his dubious commentaries ~ let it go - please Marie About Certified XHTML Developer - Level 1 I agree, where all equals, but within ourselves - we'll never argue if Eric Meyer happened to look in and have his comment first. Theres a point where you become somewhat superior petty things like that. Camz www.t94xr.net.nz http://freelance.t94xr.net.nz/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] new layout/design
Source code and accessibility: - Do you really need all those nested div's? I have it because IE wont center the DIV, so I need the nested DIV to have a text-align:center in there... Have you tried using margin: 0px auto; for cetering divs? Camz www.t94xr.net.nz * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] First table-free site
I'm new to this list and this is my first post. I'm trying to produce my first table-free website - tables have been my very dear friends in the past! Yes, leaving tables behind gratefuly comes with the knowledge that you've reached a level of CSS knowledge and skill to achieve that. I did mine only a couple of months ago. www.t94xr.net.nz Camz * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] KHTML ??
just in the art of humur? What is Google? Camz :D - Original Message - From: Michael Zeltner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 6:26 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] KHTML ?? Am 10.06.2004 um 15:10 schrieb Jad Madi: guys what is KHTML ? please use google before you post to the list (http://www.google.com/search?q=khtmlie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8). it's the rendering engine from konqueror (http://www.konqueror.org/features/browser.php) which is also used in apples rendering engine WebCore (http://developer.apple.com/darwin/projects/webcore/) and their browser safari (http://www.apple.com/safari/). konqueror had very bad css support but apple cleaned khtml quite well it up so konquerors support is better now as well. at least afaik :) however i haven't tested/tried it in the last few months. regards, michael -- Michael Zeltner Netalley Networks LLP http://www.netalleynetworks.com/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] KHTML ??
LOL - Original Message - From: Nick Gleitzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 7:12 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] KHTML ?? On Friday, June 11, 2004, at 06:56 PM, t94xr.net.nz webmaster wrote: just in the art of humur? What is Google? Camz :D www.fuckingkhtmlit.com N ___ Omnivision. Websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] KHTML ??
RE: [WSG] KHTML ??*shakes head* I bet you guys are among the few that find Steve Martin films funny, right? :) Well we do try :D And whos Steve Martin? Camz * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Standard Hacks?
Hacks are for the Cowbot webdesigner who hasnt done his job right in the first place! ( or for a client thats given too much hassle and not enough cash to make the recode cost effective! ;] ) quite true - but there are hacks that are used to counteract behavours in browsers. Camz www.t94xr.net.nz * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Many Browers in one place
VMware is my second bet or Virtual PC Camz - Original Message - From: Amit Karmakar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 12:19 AM Subject: [WSG] Many Browers in one place People, My apologoes in advance if this has been discussed earlier. I know there are sites that let you test your sites on different browsers(browsers, version, OS). Something like http://browsers.evolt.org/, www.danvine.com/iecapture/ but are there softwares (online or offline) that lets users test a site offline for free? Regards, Amit Karmakar www.karmakars.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] IE 7 Promo Images
Title: [WSG] IE 7 Promo Images Im having trouble understanding how you think IE7 would be broken?! I wouldnt abuse IE7 to be broken without it actually being released yet. It might shock you ;) Microsoft have said their putting more time and manpower into IE7 than previous versions... Camz - Original Message - From: Sean M. Hall (Dante) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 3:39 PM Subject: [WSG] IE 7 Promo Images Hey guys. Yerba Buena Web Design (my own small design agency, which hasn't even officially opened yet) has created two IE 7 Promo Images. Dean Edwards modified the first one (to fit his layout and design) and made it the official IE 7 Logo. http://www.geocities.com/seanmhall2003/ie7.html I'd like your opinion on these two images (please remember that I'm a beginner at design). I hope you like them :)
Re: [WSG] Centering a liquid grid of image thumbs and captions
- Original Message - From: Nick Gleitzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Centering a liquid grid of image thumbs and captions I have a 400MHz iMac you can have for $300 - that's less than a software upgrade. I'll even load all the browsers on it for you. Damn. No self contol. Sorry. I'm off for a Bex and a good lie down. Nick ___ Omnivision. Websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ On Sunday, June 6, 2004, at 07:18 PM, Bert Doorn wrote: I believe this is heading off-topic, but in a nutshell... Wasting money for me is to buy a system I won't use. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] What Editors do you guys use?
Subject: Re: [WSG] What Editors do you guys use? hmm Topstyle Pro 3.10 - CSS Dreamweaver MX 2004 7.01 - XHTML/PHP Browsers Mozilla 1.7 RC1 IE 6 SP1 Opera 7.50 http://www.danvine.com/icapture/ Safari testing... http://www.danvine.com/iecapture/ IE 6/5.5/5/4, Firefox Opera 7.23 testing. Camz www.t94xr.net.nz * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: RE:[WSG] Standards Compliance -vs- User Enjoyment
Title: RE:[WSG] Standards Compliance -vs- User Enjoyment I played around with flash - in a wk i made blue box move from one side to another :D!! - Original Message - From: Sean M. Hall AKA Dante To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 6:14 PM Subject: RE:[WSG] Standards Compliance -vs- User Enjoyment "Use to force [of Web Standards]" And if that doesn't work there's always good ol "eennie meenie miney mo" Standards-based sites can be flashy, personally I wouldn't mess around with that "Flash Satay" stuff - I'll take the embed tag, thank you very much (that is assuming I ever use Flash - I probably never will, I wasn't never good with animation).
Re: RE:[WSG] Standards Compliance -vs- User Enjoyment
Title: RE:[WSG] Standards Compliance -vs- User Enjoyment Wooops the link in the other email is actually... http://www.taupowebdesigns.co.nz/ sorry :$ Camz www.t94xr.net.nz
Re: [WSG] Standards Compliance -vs- User Enjoyment
I would recommend you do both - have a standards compliant accessable site, but include an interactive area. A xhtml/css php/mysql"photobook" with the club at certian nights - preferably the peak holiday periods. Give them the best of both worlds. a quick loading site with an area where they can have alot more interactive with the site. A guestbook would be excellent aswell. runnnig off a db accessed both by the interactive area and the xhtml css area. Camz - Original Message - From: Chris Stratford To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 5:28 PM Subject: [WSG] Standards Compliance -vs- User Enjoyment Hey list,I have something which has been a major topic of discussion between a friend and I.I am currently working on a promotions website - promoting for Sydney Nightclubs (RB Scene)To knuckle down and get to the point - Do I use webstandards and efficent coding to make the website...Or do I use Flash, Verbose Table Layouts, Lots of Images Animations etc... To get people interested.Really it is a question of - do I make the website for viewer enjoyment, or for the widest viewer spectrum.I am not sure if many of you would be in the same situation, but I can imagine it has come up at least once with us all before.Whether its a news website, or a Hosting companies website...My situation is a very sticky one - Clubbers dont want web standards, they want to see - what they can't have - lots of pictures help, and sounds are good (ambient music, on/off switch of course).My website hasn't begun yet, although I have some rough ideas, one which my friend came up with:http://www.equicom.net/chris/test.htmlI think its great, doesnt use flash or anything.It was an eye opener thinking it was as simple as it was.It works in FireFox (exept sound) which is good...But the fact that it looks good with such a simply design.What are your opinions - and can you lend me any assistance.Web Standars are very important to me, and I would much rather use standards compliant code, than make 10 extra people per 100 happy because there is a boxed layout (like the demo website)...I could code that in CSS, but it wouldn't be as solid as it is with Tables.Anyway!Let me know what you all think!Cheers!Chris Stratford.
Re: [WSG] SkillSwap
can you get it in New Zealand? Camz - Original Message - From: Mark Harwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 11:55 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] SkillSwap Still kinda Useful info! Phunky * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Page causes win IE4 to crash
http://www.danvine.com/iecapture/ does this help? Camz - Original Message - From: Neerav [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 10:06 PM Subject: [WSG] Page causes win IE4 to crash Hi I was just testing http://www.bhatt.id.au/test.php on the standalone windows versions of Internet explorer that you can get from http://www.quirksmode.org/browsers/multipleie.html , all worked fine except IE4 which froze immediately after displaying the page and took up 100% of cpu time until i killed its process Does anyone have a real Win IE4 they could test http://www.bhatt.id.au/test.php on to see if it still crashes ? thanks -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 403 8000 27 * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Page causes win IE4 to crash
:O lmfao email the guy apologising just incase! :D!! Hes pretty sweet... - Original Message - From: Neerav [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Page causes win IE4 to crash Oh dear ... now his IEcapture page isnt responding for newly entered pages to test ... hope I didnt do anything to it. t94xr.net.nz webmaster wrote: http://www.danvine.com/iecapture/ does this help? Camz - Original Message - From: Neerav [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 10:06 PM Subject: [WSG] Page causes win IE4 to crash Hi I was just testing http://www.bhatt.id.au/test.php on the standalone windows versions of Internet explorer that you can get from http://www.quirksmode.org/browsers/multipleie.html , all worked fine except IE4 which froze immediately after displaying the page and took up 100% of cpu time until i killed its process Does anyone have a real Win IE4 they could test http://www.bhatt.id.au/test.php on to see if it still crashes ? thanks -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 403 8000 27 * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 403 8000 27 * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] accessibility feedback
Andreas Boehmer wrote: Hi guys,I was wondering whether you could give me some feedback on a website we havecreated: http://www.jet.org.au.We have tried to make it as accessible as possible, but better than anyBobby or W3C validation is probably going through your critique. We arestill working on improving it, but please feel free to be tough critics! Nice layout Login box perfectly placed - rendering time is ofvery goodstandards ( im on a 28k connection ha! fkd 56k modem) Would be good if there was a different random quote from a different profession, different image and quote with "" and a name giving a bit of their story on how they got the job thru your website. Gives the impression that you've actually reached those numbers you claim to have. The general site design is well highly perfected, the designer has alot of talent. Camz
Re: [WSG] At last - here are the dollars in web standards.
If this doesn't convince a web professional to take a serious look at these standards nothing will. and MACCAWS ( www.MACCAWS.org ) doesnt do this? Camz * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] At last - here are the dollars in web standards.
I found it quite a good read... - Original Message - From: Mordechai Peller To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] At last - here are the dollars in web standards. t94xr.net.nz webmaster wrote: If this doesn't convince a web professional to take a serious look at these standards nothing will. and MACCAWS ( www.MACCAWS.org ) doesnt do this? Not the same way. maccaws' argument is an intellectual argument, while Robinson's is an emotional one. While maccaws' the better argument, in this generation of 30 second attention spans (if that long), Robinson's has a better chance of working.Ultimately the best argument is the result of a combination of both.
Re: [WSG] At last - here are the dollars in web standards.
their site is what you call a white paper its like a government report but on the net. Governments around the world have read it. Its fairly simple ot navigate. - Original Message - From: Michael Kear [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 1:20 PM Subject: RE: [WSG] At last - here are the dollars in web standards. I don't know I've never read it. You go to Maccaws.org and you have to go off to another link to read anything useful. Like the old days of the portals. No one had any content, only links to more sites that are themselves just pages of more links. I can't be bothered going from link to link to link to link to find something worth reading. If a poster cant be bothered putting a link to actual content, why should I have to bother? Why would I have to hunt out what on earth Maccaws.org means in order to find out if I want to read it or not. If you see my post about the other article, you'll see in my post why I think it's worth reading. You don't have to go any further to decide if you want to follow it up yourself. Maccaws.org tells me nothing except that it's perhaps a site about South American parrots. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of t94xr.net.nz webmaster Sent: Thursday, 3 June 2004 10:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] At last - here are the dollars in web standards. If this doesn't convince a web professional to take a serious look at these standards nothing will. and MACCAWS ( www.MACCAWS.org ) doesnt do this? Camz * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Safe Web colors
Greetings Useing a safe web colors, is it a standard? is it a Must? No, as most users have full high color resolutions. But if your website is primarily visiited by computers that cant reach high color levels, then yeah. but otherwise its accessability shoshing over with design issues. the web safe color scheme is a good idea, pratical in some situations. I've never bothered with it. Camz www.t94xr.net.nz * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Safe Web colors
no its ok - but Web Safe colors is for users who cant see higher 256colors. - Original Message - From: Jad Madi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 12:26 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Safe Web colors please check http://www.easyhttp.com/design/site I'v used alot of colors might be hmm bright is it considered to be out of accessability ? On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 00:12:39 +1200, t94xr.net.nz webmaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings Useing a safe web colors, is it a standard? is it a Must? No, as most users have full high color resolutions. But if your website is primarily visiited by computers that cant reach high color levels, then yeah. but otherwise its accessability shoshing over with design issues. the web safe color scheme is a good idea, pratical in some situations. I've never bothered with it. Camz www.t94xr.net.nz * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Should web standards cost more?
www.MACCAWS.org Thats a good reason to produce standards compliant websites. I recently had one job which the coding was easy, the actual complexity of the detail which was so high it was just a to big a job for me to do :( But the person who offered me the job, saw my site and emailed me. What was the significant factor, have you seen my site? www.t94xr.net.nz Camz - Original Message - From: Nan Zhong [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Should web standards cost more? Hello, Well I have. I'm still a high school student and therefore have no real qualifications other than experience. However people have seen my work and still come to me for design jobs. I charge less (again due to qualifications) but one of the main reasons people still contact me for design contracts even though they know my age and such is that I design by web standards. Nan Zhong Neerav wrote: Hi The slightly OT thread [WSG] Budget Design, made me think of an idea which is very relevent to all members of WSG .. My premise is that any sensible business person should try to differentiate from competitors by showing they have skills that no one else has, vast experience etc and justify charging more than the competition because of that So has any member of the WSG done that, justifying charging $X more than eg: the design agency down the road which makes webpages by putting sliced photoshop images into tables by saying something along the lines of I design to Web Standards and can show my product validates against these standards, this is like an industrial business getting ISO Quality certification for their processes and means my product/service satisfies web industry standards for quality of code, can other companies with proposals for your project do the same ? * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] Should web standards cost more?
www.MACCAWS.org Thats a good reason to produce standards compliant websites. I recently had one job which the coding was easy, the actual complexity of the detail which was so high it was just a to big a job for me to do :( But the person who offered me the job, saw my site and emailed me. What was the significant factor, have you seen my site? www.t94xr.net.nz Camz * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
Re: [WSG] CSS editor
Not free, but you could do a lot worse than Top Style 3. It combines HTML editing and CSS. Wriiten by the creator of Homsite. Topstyle Pro 3.10 Pro is a better bet. Even tho there are copies floating around the net - one even on FOSIs site where ever that is. I purchased mine, I strongly recommend it for CSS editing. The free ones dont even come close. Camz * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help *
[WSG] finally a mailing list thats perfect!
Awesome a mailing list that i wanted. Hi, - im t94xr www.t94xr.net.nz
