Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] RE: [WSG] Best Practice to Offer Different Formats of Documents
Alexey Novikov skrev: I use this pattern: a href=document.pdfTitle_of_This_Lengthy_Document/a, PDF, 1234kb I would suggest putting the abbreviation PDF and the size inside the a-element if anyone tabs from link to link with JAWS or anything similar. or with icon: a href=document.pdfimg src=pdf.gif alt=Download PDF /Title_of_This_Lengthy_Document/a, PDF, 1234kb I probably would have this image in CSS, aligned right or left and then add some padding right/left as well for it to show up. Now that IE7 supports attribute selectors most users will see it. If not I would go for an empty alt-attribute, since the purpose of the link is clear from the text. Lars Gunther *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [OBORONA-SPAM] RE: [WSG] Best Practice to Offer Different Formats of Documents
K On 2/16/08, Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: K Icons also help people make quick choices and allow you to provide K the documents in a tabular format when required. K Title of This Lengthy Document [PDF ICON] title=download the PDF: K Title_of_This_Lengthy_Document [MSWORD ICON] title=download the K Word Document: Title_of_This_Lengthy_Document I use this pattern: a href=document.pdfTitle_of_This_Lengthy_Document/a, PDF, 1234kb or with icon: a href=document.pdfimg src=pdf.gif alt=Download PDF /Title_of_This_Lengthy_Document/a, PDF, 1234kb Regards, Alexey Novikov *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Best Practice to Offer Different Formats of Documents
Dwain, Matt Sorry forgot to mention I also getfilesize in php for reasons Dwain mentioned and I have created simple functions like the one he mentions, with a pool of file icons to display with. Sorry for not mentioning these. Joe On Feb 17 2008, at 00:27, Matt Fellows wrote: As Joe said, I also think icons are a great way for users to quickly scan the page and get a sense of what is going on. There is a nice article [1] that can show you how to automatically style links with little icons depending on the extension of the file it points to if you are interested. Cheers, Matt [1] - http://www.askthecssguy.com/2006/12/ showing_hyperlink_cues_with_cs_1.html On 2/16/08, dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/16/08, Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Icons also help people make quick choices and allow you to provide the documents in a tabular format when required. Title of This Lengthy Document [PDF ICON] title=download the PDF: Title_of_This_Lengthy_Document [MSWORD ICON] title=download the Word Document: Title_of_This_Lengthy_Document i also put the size of the document next to the link. this way the visitor know what's coming in the download or the view, because to view a pdf it has to be downloaded first and then opened and by notifying the visitor of the size of the document gives them another choice whether to download, view or by pass the document. dwain -- dwain alford The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.joiz.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Best Practice to Offer Different Formats of Documents
Matt Fellows wrote:
There is a nice article [1] that can show you how to automatically
style links with little icons depending on the extension of the file
it points to if you are interested.
Cheers,
Matt
[1] - http://www.askthecssguy.com/2006/12/showing_hyperlink_cues_with_cs_1.html
Hi Matt, I was intrigued by the simplicity of your use of:
a[href $='.pdf'] {
padding-right: 18px;
background: transparent url(../../sitegraphics/outofit.gif)
no-repeat center right;
}
etc., but when I checked it in my (standalone) IE6, it failed. Is that
to be expected? (standalone IE6 gives 'funny' results sometimes). If
so, it's dead as a useful tool for me.
Bob
www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk
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Re: [WSG] Best Practice to Offer Different Formats of Documents
that's because IE6 doesn't support attribute selectors. but you can
use classes instead.
Max.
2008/2/17, Designer [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Matt Fellows wrote:
There is a nice article [1] that can show you how to automatically
style links with little icons depending on the extension of the file
it points to if you are interested.
Cheers,
Matt
[1] -
http://www.askthecssguy.com/2006/12/showing_hyperlink_cues_with_cs_1.html
Hi Matt, I was intrigued by the simplicity of your use of:
a[href $='.pdf'] {
padding-right: 18px;
background: transparent url(../../sitegraphics/outofit.gif)
no-repeat center right;
}
etc., but when I checked it in my (standalone) IE6, it failed. Is that
to be expected? (standalone IE6 gives 'funny' results sometimes). If
so, it's dead as a useful tool for me.
Bob
www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk
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Re: [WSG] Best Practice to Offer Different Formats of Documents
Yes, IE doesn't handle attribute selectors.
However, I'd still be tempted to use it. The only thing that happens is that
IE6 doesn't display the icons. Graceful degradation. Users with newer
browsers will get a better experience, but it'll still work with the older
browsers.
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Subject: Re: [WSG] Best Practice to Offer Different Formats of Documents
Matt Fellows wrote:
There is a nice article [1] that can show you how to automatically
style links with little icons depending on the extension of the file
it points to if you are interested.
Cheers,
Matt
[1] -
http://www.askthecssguy.com/2006/12/showing_hyperlink_cues_with_cs_1.html
Hi Matt, I was intrigued by the simplicity of your use of:
a[href $='.pdf'] {
padding-right: 18px;
background: transparent url(../../sitegraphics/outofit.gif) no-repeat
center right;
}
etc., but when I checked it in my (standalone) IE6, it failed. Is that to
be expected? (standalone IE6 gives 'funny' results sometimes). If so,
it's dead as a useful tool for me.
Bob
www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk
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Re: [WSG] Best Practice to Offer Different Formats of Documents
On Sun, February 17, 2008 10:02 pm, Thomas Thomassen wrote: Yes, IE doesn't handle attribute selectors. There are always javascript workarounds for attribute selectors in IE. However, I'd still be tempted to use it. The only thing that happens is that IE6 doesn't display the icons. Graceful degradation. Users with newer browsers will get a better experience, but it'll still work with the older browsers. -- Andrew Cunningham Research and Development Coordinator Vicnet State Library of Victoria Australia [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Best Practice to Offer Different Formats of Documents
True. Dean Edwards got a very good library to aid IE: http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/ - Original Message - From: Andrew Cunningham To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Best Practice to Offer Different Formats of Documents On Sun, February 17, 2008 10:02 pm, Thomas Thomassen wrote: Yes, IE doesn't handle attribute selectors. There are always javascript workarounds for attribute selectors in IE. However, I'd still be tempted to use it. The only thing that happens is that IE6 doesn't display the icons. Graceful degradation. Users with newer browsers will get a better experience, but it'll still work with the older browsers. -- Andrew Cunningham Research and Development Coordinator Vicnet State Library of Victoria Australia [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Best Practice to Offer Different Formats of Documents
Thank you to both you and Joe! Good info!!! _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dwain Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 4:01 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Best Practice to Offer Different Formats of Documents On 2/16/08, Joe Ortenzi HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Icons also help people make quick choices and allow you to provide the documents in a tabular format when required. Title of This Lengthy Document [PDF ICON] title=download the PDF: Title_of_This_Lengthy_Document [MSWORD ICON] title=download the Word Document: Title_of_This_Lengthy_Document i also put the size of the document next to the link. this way the visitor know what's coming in the download or the view, because to view a pdf it has to be downloaded first and then opened and by notifying the visitor of the size of the document gives them another choice whether to download, view or by pass the document. dwain -- dwain alford The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.7/1283 - Release Date: 2/16/2008 2:16 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.7/1283 - Release Date: 2/16/2008 2:16 PM *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Best Practice to Offer Different Formats of Documents
Don't know about best practice but I can tell you about ways I approached it in the past and how I like it when I come to a page with the options you offer. I usually put helpful information in the title attribute of a link, so a new window link includes : ..to open x in a new window and a download says something like right-click to download the word document to your desktop I am assuming the file names are formatted something like: Title_of_This_Lengthy_Document.pdf Title_of_This_Lengthy_Document.doc Icons also help people make quick choices and allow you to provide the documents in a tabular format when required. Title of This Lengthy Document [PDF ICON] title=download the PDF: Title_of_This_Lengthy_Document [MSWORD ICON] title=download the Word Document: Title_of_This_Lengthy_Document Personally I take the position that Word and PDF serve completely different roles and should not always be available together. PDF - good for delivery where you need to control file size, fonts, layout and do not want the recipient to edit the document digitally. MSWord - good for delivery of text content you want to allow the recipient to edit, or easily copy into another text editing application. In this instance I make sure the word doc is as simple as possible, and is minimally formatted, preferably as an rtf. Joe On Feb 15 2008, at 13:10, kevin.erickson wrote: Hi, Can anyone tell me what they think the best practice is for have a web page with link to a Word document and also a PDF? Some of my pages have multiple subjects with data in both Word and PDF. So a typical list might be: Title (PDF) Also available in Word. Title (PDF) Also available in Word. In the sample list above Title links to the PDF document and Word links to the Word document. Each link will have a title attribute. Is there a better or more common way to offer multiple formats for a document? Thanks in advance, Kevin No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.5/1278 - Release Date: 2/14/2008 10:28 AM *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.joiz.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Best Practice to Offer Different Formats of Documents
On 2/16/08, Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Icons also help people make quick choices and allow you to provide the documents in a tabular format when required. Title of This Lengthy Document [PDF ICON] title=download the PDF: Title_of_This_Lengthy_Document [MSWORD ICON] title=download the Word Document: Title_of_This_Lengthy_Document i also put the size of the document next to the link. this way the visitor know what's coming in the download or the view, because to view a pdf it has to be downloaded first and then opened and by notifying the visitor of the size of the document gives them another choice whether to download, view or by pass the document. dwain -- dwain alford The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Best Practice to Offer Different Formats of Documents
As Joe said, I also think icons are a great way for users to quickly scan the page and get a sense of what is going on. There is a nice article [1] that can show you how to automatically style links with little icons depending on the extension of the file it points to if you are interested. Cheers, Matt [1] - http://www.askthecssguy.com/2006/12/showing_hyperlink_cues_with_cs_1.html On 2/16/08, dwain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/16/08, Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Icons also help people make quick choices and allow you to provide the documents in a tabular format when required. Title of This Lengthy Document [PDF ICON] title=download the PDF: Title_of_This_Lengthy_Document [MSWORD ICON] title=download the Word Document: Title_of_This_Lengthy_Document i also put the size of the document next to the link. this way the visitor know what's coming in the download or the view, because to view a pdf it has to be downloaded first and then opened and by notifying the visitor of the size of the document gives them another choice whether to download, view or by pass the document. dwain -- dwain alford The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Best Practice to Offer Different Formats of Documents
Hi, Can anyone tell me what they think the best practice is for have a web page with link to a Word document and also a PDF? Some of my pages have multiple subjects with data in both Word and PDF. So a typical list might be: Title (PDF) Also available in Word. Title (PDF) Also available in Word. In the sample list above Title links to the PDF document and Word links to the Word document. Each link will have a title attribute. Is there a better or more common way to offer multiple formats for a document? Thanks in advance, Kevin No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.5/1278 - Release Date: 2/14/2008 10:28 AM *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
