Re: [WSG] Experience with Adobe Contribute
Rob Crowther wrote: > As far as I'm aware, though I may be wrong - this was Contribute 3 and I > didn't look in too much detail, you can't force users to only use styles > out of your existing stylesheets. In Contribute CS3 you can set it up so that they can only use styles from a specific style sheet. You can also set it so that they can't control font size, colours, etc, etc. We do this for all of our clients as when we didn't they managed to break their websites within about 30 minutes! Ben -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://bendodson.com/ On 02/03/2008, Rob Crowther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Elizabeth Spiegel wrote: > > I understand that Contribute would allow them to make changes to content > > > without messing with the coding/navigation. Does anyone have experience > > > with this product? Is it possible/easy to set up to maintain > > > standards-compliance? > > > You can limit the areas they can edit by using Dreamweaver templates, > and there are a number of options within Contribute where you force > standards compliance, but some strange stuff will still happen. For > instance, if one of your users decides they want a nice, bright red > message in the middle of their copy it achieves this by adding a style > section in the head of the document. The style section will not be > automatically removed if the red text is deleted. > > As far as I'm aware, though I may be wrong - this was Contribute 3 and I > didn't look in too much detail, you can't force users to only use styles > out of your existing stylesheets. > > > Rob > > > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** > > *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Experience with Adobe Contribute
Elizabeth Spiegel wrote: I understand that Contribute would allow them to make changes to content without messing with the coding/navigation. Does anyone have experience with this product? Is it possible/easy to set up to maintain standards-compliance? You can limit the areas they can edit by using Dreamweaver templates, and there are a number of options within Contribute where you force standards compliance, but some strange stuff will still happen. For instance, if one of your users decides they want a nice, bright red message in the middle of their copy it achieves this by adding a style section in the head of the document. The style section will not be automatically removed if the red text is deleted. As far as I'm aware, though I may be wrong - this was Contribute 3 and I didn't look in too much detail, you can't force users to only use styles out of your existing stylesheets. Rob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Experience with Adobe Contribute
Hi, The latest version of Contribute (CS3) is not actually that bad. We use it all the time for our clients at work and generally the feedback is quite good. Contribute allows you to edit the text on a page just like you would with something like Word or Dreamweaver. You can also set it to create rollbacks so if anything gets messed up you can always undo what you've done. My recommendation would be for you to download the 30 day trial from Adobes website and have a play with it yourself. You could also ask your client to download it and have a play to see if it meets their needs before you pay for a license. With regards to standards, it will edit any site but if the site you have created is standards compliant then it will output in a compliant way as well (it might not be semantic or the best way to do something but it will validate!). With creating new pages, you can either create a HTML template with which they can use for new pages, or they can simply copy an existing page and just edit the text. This is normally fine for day-to-day use. As I say, the best thing to do is to download the trial and give it a go and see if it meets your needs. Cheers, Ben -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://bendodson.com/ On 02/03/2008, Martin Heiden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Elizabeth, > > Saturday, March 1, 2008, 11:08:47 PM, you wrote: > > ES> I understand that Contribute would allow them to make changes to > content > ES> without messing with the coding/navigation. Does anyone have > experience > ES> with this product? Is it possible/easy to set up to maintain > ES> standards-compliance? > > I once did some testing with Contribute 1.0 and didn't experience any > problems with standard conformance. Contribute is a cut down > Dreamweaver which only allows to change content in > Dreamweaver-Templates. Adobe lately put a lot of work into > Dreamweaver to make at easy to develop standards-based sites, so I > guess that you won't have any problems if you change the templates. > > regards > > > Martin. > > > > > *** > List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm > Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm > Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > *** > > *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Experience with Adobe Contribute
Elizabeth, Saturday, March 1, 2008, 11:08:47 PM, you wrote: ES> I understand that Contribute would allow them to make changes to content ES> without messing with the coding/navigation. Does anyone have experience ES> with this product? Is it possible/easy to set up to maintain ES> standards-compliance? I once did some testing with Contribute 1.0 and didn't experience any problems with standard conformance. Contribute is a cut down Dreamweaver which only allows to change content in Dreamweaver-Templates. Adobe lately put a lot of work into Dreamweaver to make at easy to develop standards-based sites, so I guess that you won't have any problems if you change the templates. regards Martin. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Experience with Adobe Contribute
Hi Elizabeth The concept behind Contribute is that the designers/coders create the pages and place special codes within some portions of the HTML for others to write into, but not break the hopefully compliant code created. Contribute sees the code and only allows the writer to edit the boxes that are unlocked. Unfortunately they will also be exposed to code and may accidentally break the page as well. And the creation of new items is not permitted, more about editing existing content... The idea is to separate the content providers from the code, which is exemplary but the execution is misguided. What organisations generally need is not the ability to edit existing pages but to make new content available in a simple way. This is where a CMS comes in. I recommend it would be a far better exercise for you to find a reputable consultant to install a very simple CMS for them, after extensive discussions to discover exactly the kind of content they need to provide, and to also suggest improved types of content they didn't know they could provide. The CMS, if installed properly, would give them the freedom to express themselves fully without messing round in the, frankly, expert terrain of standards compliant code creation. Contribute, like it's parent Dreamweaver, is not standards compliant per se, it is only a tool that can assist you in making standards compliant code. You made an interesting point in that they have a convenient means to update the pages already - build on that and let them keep the convenience, but in a different environment. Understand what is convenient about the current method and ensure the proposed improvement retains a similar convenience. As for the CMS to recommend? I would want to perform the consultancy first as you need to know what they need to do, want to do and are able to do before hand but it could be anything from the very simple wordPress to something incredibly complex and powerful like Drupal or ExpressionEngine, all of which, in the right hands when installed and templated, can provide compliant code. You could even find a way to create something bespoke (my personal preference) using a framework or some good coders. Joe On Mar 1 2008, at 22:08, Elizabeth Spiegel wrote: Hi all I'm working to replace a horribly non-compliant website with a standards-compliant one for a non-profit organisation. The people who currently manage the site are a bit worried about moving away from their current host (who insists on the horrible template) because they find their current updating procedure convenient (it doesn't require any coding knowledge). I understand that Contribute would allow them to make changes to content without messing with the coding/navigation. Does anyone have experience with this product? Is it possible/easy to set up to maintain standards-compliance? Elizabeth Spiegel Web editing 0409 986 158 GPO Box 729, Hobart TAS 7001 www.spiegelweb.com.au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***nmail.dat> Joe Ortenzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.joiz.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Experience with Adobe Contribute
Hi all I'm working to replace a horribly non-compliant website with a standards-compliant one for a non-profit organisation. The people who currently manage the site are a bit worried about moving away from their current host (who insists on the horrible template) because they find their current updating procedure convenient (it doesn't require any coding knowledge). I understand that Contribute would allow them to make changes to content without messing with the coding/navigation. Does anyone have experience with this product? Is it possible/easy to set up to maintain standards-compliance? Elizabeth Spiegel Web editing 0409 986 158 GPO Box 729, Hobart TAS 7001 www.spiegelweb.com.au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***<>
