Re: [WSG] Input Desired

[Mark Arnold]

No problem Tom. Any of those screenshots available?

maOn 11/29/05, Tom Livingston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:15:09 -0500, Tom Livingston<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> I'd like to through out the suggestionUm. That would be _throw_ out the suggestion...
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Re: [WSG] Input Desired

[Mark Arnold]

Tom,

It looks helpful. Howeve, the Jello Calculator from that page is broken. I am able to reach the article however.

MarkOn 11/29/05, Tom Livingston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:02:19 -0500, Mark Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:> Actually the site I need input on is not so much a non-profit but a> small business that my future mother-in-law 
runs.here is the address of> the old site:The columns widths are breaking here. I'd like to through out thesuggestion of using the Jello Layout[1]. I am using it on a currentproject and it has been fairly easy to implement anything (2 col or 3 col)
inside of this. Check out the calculator (linked to from that page) forwidth help.Screen shots available upon request. :-)[1] http://sandbox.mikepurvis.com/css/jello/index2.php
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Re: [WSG] Input Desired

[Tom Livingston]

On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 08:15:09 -0500, Tom Livingston  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



I'd like to through out the suggestion


Um. That would be _throw_ out the suggestion...

..need coffee. must have...coffee.

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Re: [WSG] Input Desired

[Tom Livingston]

On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:02:19 -0500, Mark Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:


Actually the site I need input on is not so much a non-profit but a  
small business that my future mother-in-law runs.here is the address of  
the old site:


The columns widths are breaking here. I'd like to through out the  
suggestion of using the Jello Layout[1]. I am using it on a current  
project and it has been fairly easy to implement anything (2 col or 3 col)  
inside of this. Check out the calculator (linked to from that page) for  
width help.


Screen shots available upon request. :-)


[1] http://sandbox.mikepurvis.com/css/jello/index2.php

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Re: [WSG] Input Desired

[Mark Arnold]

Good deal Damian. I'm open to that suggestion. The font size is certainly not user friendly.
I am glad you're out there viewing this on a MAC. I don't have one that I can currently access.

Peace,
maOn 11/28/05, Damian Sweeney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>The current redesign and css file:>>http://teagarden.biz/newindex.htm
>http://teagarden.biz/teagard3.css>>I'm having a lot of problems with margins and incorporating other
>dimensional concepts into the site.>I welcome all comments. Thx>A few quick impressions and suggestions:Add a doctype declaration at the top [1]Validate your html [2] and css [3]
For margins and such, start with PIE [4]I find the text (particularly in the side navigation) too smallI'd prefer a sans serif font for the nav links and for the text in your headerThere is not enough contrast between the link text colour and the background
Note that Samuel's comment about changing  to  will dependon your doctype choice. If you go with html then those can stay howthey are. However, you might want to create the spacing and effects
you desire through your css, rather than manipulating your code forpresentational purposes.(I'm on a Mac using Firefox 1.07, btw)Cheers,Damian[1] 
http://htmlhelp.com/tools/validator/doctype.html[2] http://validator.w3.org/[3] http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/[4] 
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Re: [WSG] Input Desired

[Mark Arnold]

Thx much. I will revert back to that strategy. 'Preciate the support.

maOn 11/28/05, Samuel Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Mark,Well, if they insist on a spanning image then I'd find four or five ofthe images they like then turn joing them together and turn it into atiling background image, that way no matter how wide the page gets their
will always be images in the header, then you can fix the logo in thetop left and just have the repeating images run underneath it.SamuelMark Arnold wrote:> Samuel,>> I am much obliged. Everything you hit on has been  nagging at me (
i.e.> on the logo I am using width and height with percentages, hoping for> the logo to span the page as requested by the site owner. But this> results in a pixelized img. Any further suggestion here?). I will
> incorporate your suggestions but thx much for giving the site the once> over.>> Mark>> On 11/28/05, *Samuel Richardson* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:>> Hi Mark,>> First of all it looks like you are resizing your images using the> width> and height attributes on the img tag. If those dimensions do not match
> the ones on the image then your images wind up being pixelated (like> they are on the logo).>> A quick scan of your code, replace your  tags with , change
> your  tags like  to close them, same with the image tags> > src="" becomes >> Get rid of any align attributes. You also need to specifiy a doctype
> etc, that's why the page won't be getting anywhere if your checking it> in the W3C validator.>> From a design point of view, bring the font size in the left hand> column navigation up a bit, it should be quite important, I'd also
> make> that nav column match the width of the logo, bring the headers "gifts> for the holidays" and "tea talks" up to match the top of the> navigation> box, if you do those three things it will square the page up a bit
> more> and make it look more attractive.>> Samuel> www.geminidevelopment.com.au <
http://www.geminidevelopment.com.au Mark Arnold wrote:>> > All,> >> > I have been lurking in the group for some time and have been humbled
> > by the> > collective wisdom present here. I am hobbyist (security> > network/academic type by trade)> > trying to get up to speed on webstandards to help redesign a few
> > non-profit orgs that I am associated with.> >> > Actually the site I need input on is not so much a non-profit but a> > small business that my future mother-in-law runs.
> > here is the address of the old site:> >> > http://teagarden.biz/index.htm> >> > The current redesign and css file:
> >> > http://teagarden.biz/newindex.htm> > http://teagarden.biz/teagard3.css> >
> > I'm having a lot of problems with margins and incorporating other> > dimensional concepts into the site.> > I welcome all comments. Thx> >> > --
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Re: [WSG] Input Desired

[Samuel Richardson]

Mark,

Well, if they insist on a spanning image then I'd find four or five of 
the images they like then turn joing them together and turn it into a 
tiling background image, that way no matter how wide the page gets their 
will always be images in the header, then you can fix the logo in the 
top left and just have the repeating images run underneath it.


Samuel


Mark Arnold wrote:


Samuel,

I am much obliged. Everything you hit on has been  nagging at me (i.e. 
on the logo I am using width and height with percentages, hoping for 
the logo to span the page as requested by the site owner. But this 
results in a pixelized img. Any further suggestion here?). I will 
incorporate your suggestions but thx much for giving the site the once 
over.


Mark

On 11/28/05, *Samuel Richardson* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


Hi Mark,

First of all it looks like you are resizing your images using the
width
and height attributes on the img tag. If those dimensions do not match
the ones on the image then your images wind up being pixelated (like
they are on the logo).

A quick scan of your code, replace your  tags with , change
your  tags like  to close them, same with the image tags
 becomes 

Get rid of any align attributes. You also need to specifiy a doctype
etc, that's why the page won't be getting anywhere if your checking it
in the W3C validator.

From a design point of view, bring the font size in the left hand
column navigation up a bit, it should be quite important, I'd also
make
that nav column match the width of the logo, bring the headers "gifts
for the holidays" and "tea talks" up to match the top of the
navigation
box, if you do those three things it will square the page up a bit
more
and make it look more attractive.

Samuel
www.geminidevelopment.com.au 


Mark Arnold wrote:

> All,
>
> I have been lurking in the group for some time and have been humbled
> by the
> collective wisdom present here. I am hobbyist (security
> network/academic type by trade)
> trying to get up to speed on webstandards to help redesign a few
> non-profit orgs that I am associated with.
>
> Actually the site I need input on is not so much a non-profit but a
> small business that my future mother-in-law runs.
> here is the address of the old site:
>
> http://teagarden.biz/index.htm
>
> The current redesign and css file:
>
> http://teagarden.biz/newindex.htm
> http://teagarden.biz/teagard3.css
>
> I'm having a lot of problems with margins and incorporating other
> dimensional concepts into the site.
> I welcome all comments. Thx
>
> --
> Chrs,
> Mark
>
> 617-259-6124 (m)
> 617-249-1539 fax

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Re: [WSG] Input Desired

[Damian Sweeney]

The current redesign and css file:

http://teagarden.biz/newindex.htm
http://teagarden.biz/teagard3.css

I'm having a lot of problems with margins and incorporating other 
dimensional concepts into the site.

I welcome all comments. Thx



A few quick impressions and suggestions:

Add a doctype declaration at the top [1]
Validate your html [2] and css [3]
For margins and such, start with PIE [4]

I find the text (particularly in the side navigation) too small
I'd prefer a sans serif font for the nav links and for the text in your header
There is not enough contrast between the link text colour and the background

Note that Samuel's comment about changing  to  will depend 
on your doctype choice. If you go with html then those can stay how 
they are. However, you might want to create the spacing and effects 
you desire through your css, rather than manipulating your code for 
presentational purposes.


(I'm on a Mac using Firefox 1.07, btw)

Cheers,

Damian

[1] http://htmlhelp.com/tools/validator/doctype.html
[2] http://validator.w3.org/
[3] http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/
[4] http://www.positioniseverything.net/
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Re: [WSG] Input Desired

[Matthew Cruickshank]

Mark Arnold wrote:
hoping for the logo to span the page as requested by the site owner. 
But this results in a pixelized img. Any further suggestion here?


Have an unscaled foreground image of your logo, placed over a background 
image that tiles out to the edges of your screen, so it looks like 
there's a single image.


Eg,  http://www.e.govt.nz/



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Re: [WSG] Input Desired

[Mark Arnold]

Samuel,

I am much obliged. Everything you hit on has been  nagging at me
(i.e. on the logo I am using width and height with percentages, hoping
for the logo to span the page as requested by the site owner. But this
results in a pixelized img. Any further suggestion here?). I will
incorporate your suggestions but thx much for giving the site the once
over.

MarkOn 11/28/05, Samuel Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Mark,First of all it looks like you are resizing your images using the widthand height attributes on the img tag. If those dimensions do not matchthe ones on the image then your images wind up being pixelated (like
they are on the logo).A quick scan of your code, replace your  tags with , changeyour  tags like  to close them, same with the image tags src="" becomes 
Get rid of any align attributes. You also need to specifiy a doctypeetc, that's why the page won't be getting anywhere if your checking itin the W3C validator. From a design point of view, bring the font size in the left hand
column navigation up a bit, it should be quite important, I'd also makethat nav column match the width of the logo, bring the headers "giftsfor the holidays" and "tea talks" up to match the top of the navigation
box, if you do those three things it will square the page up a bit moreand make it look more attractive.Samuelwww.geminidevelopment.com.auMark Arnold wrote:
> All,>> I have been lurking in the group for some time and have been humbled> by the> collective wisdom present here. I am hobbyist (security> network/academic type by trade)
> trying to get up to speed on webstandards to help redesign a few> non-profit orgs that I am associated with.>> Actually the site I need input on is not so much a non-profit but a> small business that my future mother-in-law runs.
> here is the address of the old site:>> http://teagarden.biz/index.htm>> The current redesign and css file:>> 
http://teagarden.biz/newindex.htm> http://teagarden.biz/teagard3.css>> I'm having a lot of problems with margins and incorporating other> dimensional concepts into the site.
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Re: [WSG] Input Desired

[Mark Arnold]

Yep. the masthead has been bugging me out. I decided to create one
single image comprised of four separate gifs (i.e. the text with the
brown background is a single gif). If I float right like originally
planned would it not be off centered. The site owner wants the image to
span the entire page.On 11/28/05, kvnmcwebn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:





hello,
nice 
work,
but 
instead of scaling the entire masthead image why not just have the images float 
over to the right? and then the brown background under the the text image would 
get wider?
-best
kvnmcwebn 

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Re: [WSG] Input Desired

[Samuel Richardson]

Hi Mark,

First of all it looks like you are resizing your images using the width 
and height attributes on the img tag. If those dimensions do not match 
the ones on the image then your images wind up being pixelated (like 
they are on the logo).


A quick scan of your code, replace your  tags with , change 
your  tags like  to close them, same with the image tags src="/whatever"> becomes 


Get rid of any align attributes. You also need to specifiy a doctype 
etc, that's why the page won't be getting anywhere if your checking it 
in the W3C validator.


From a design point of view, bring the font size in the left hand 
column navigation up a bit, it should be quite important, I'd also make 
that nav column match the width of the logo, bring the headers "gifts 
for the holidays" and "tea talks" up to match the top of the navigation 
box, if you do those three things it will square the page up a bit more 
and make it look more attractive.


Samuel
www.geminidevelopment.com.au


Mark Arnold wrote:


All,

I have been lurking in the group for some time and have been humbled 
by the
collective wisdom present here. I am hobbyist (security 
network/academic type by trade)
trying to get up to speed on webstandards to help redesign a few 
non-profit orgs that I am associated with.


Actually the site I need input on is not so much a non-profit but a 
small business that my future mother-in-law runs.

here is the address of the old site:

http://teagarden.biz/index.htm

The current redesign and css file:

http://teagarden.biz/newindex.htm
http://teagarden.biz/teagard3.css

I'm having a lot of problems with margins and incorporating other 
dimensional concepts into the site.

I welcome all comments. Thx

--
Chrs,
Mark

617-259-6124 (m)
617-249-1539 fax 


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RE: [WSG] Input Desired

[kvnmcwebn]

hello,
nice 
work,
but 
instead of scaling the entire masthead image why not just have the images float 
over to the right? and then the brown background under the the text image would 
get wider?
-best
kvnmcwebn 

[WSG] Input Desired

[Mark Arnold]

All,

I have been lurking in the group for some time and have been humbled by the 
collective wisdom present here. I am hobbyist (security network/academic type by trade) 
trying to get up to speed on webstandards to help redesign a few non-profit orgs that I am associated with.

Actually the site I need input on is not so much a non-profit but a small business that my future mother-in-law runs.
here is the address of the old site:

http://teagarden.biz/index.htm

The current redesign and css file:

http://teagarden.biz/newindex.htm
http://teagarden.biz/teagard3.css

I'm having a lot of problems with margins and incorporating other dimensional concepts into the site.
I welcome all comments. Thx-- Chrs,Mark 617-259-6124 (m)617-249-1539 fax