RE: [WSG] Radio New Zealand site relaunch
The way that it uses the white space is nice ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Radio New Zealand site relaunch
Hi Mike I like they way you re-use your gradient graphics throughout the site. It keeps the load to a minimum. On the home page, you have a div with I assume overflow:auto to give the scrolling daily schedule. When I've done this in the past, the div's scrolling mechanism over-rode the browser's scrolling behavior. So, when a person used their scroll-wheel on the mouse the schedule would move before the page moved. How did you avoid this? Some of the green text on green fade is a bit difficult to read, perhaps a bit more contrast? On a completely different side note, the photo of Kate Mead on the concert fm today page is not the most flattering. At least on my screen she is very pale and cyan, perhaps a bit of New Zealand sun would help. Nice job. Ted Drake www.tdrake.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Brown Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 6:32 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Radio New Zealand site relaunch http://www.radionz.co.nz As a disclaimer, I had some involvement with the HTML/CSS templates, but even so, I think it's a good example of a site that's nice visually and reasonably standards-compliant. Mike ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Radio New Zealand site relaunch
2005/10/25, Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Mike I like they way you re-use your gradient graphics throughout the site. It keeps the load to a minimum. On the home page, you have a div with I assume overflow:auto to give the scrolling daily schedule. When I've done this in the past, the div's scrolling mechanism over-rode the browser's scrolling behavior. So, when a person used their scroll-wheel on the mouse the schedule would move before the page moved. How did you avoid this? Some of the green text on green fade is a bit difficult to read, perhaps a bit more contrast? On a completely different side note, the photo of Kate Mead on the concert fm today page is not the most flattering. At least on my screen she is very pale and cyan, perhaps a bit of New Zealand sun would help. Nice job. Ted Drake www.tdrake.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Brown Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 6:32 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Radio New Zealand site relaunch http://www.radionz.co.nz As a disclaimer, I had some involvement with the HTML/CSS templates, but even so, I think it's a good example of a site that's nice visually and reasonably standards-compliant. Mike ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** I like it , nice layout , I had duots about the header but it's fine too , nice work m8! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Radio New Zealand site relaunch
Hi Mike, I was interested to see that you are using the back-slash hack when importing your stylesheets, commented as: Excluding old versions of IE etc. I guess what I'm most interested in is how that decision was made? Is it part of your company's approach/philosophy or was it a choice the client made/business rule to not show styled pages for these browsers - thus lowering or containing the cost of the project? The obvious casualties being IE 5 for Mac and IE5.0. Cheers, John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Brown Sent: Tuesday, 25 October 2005 2:32 p.m. To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Radio New Zealand site relaunch http://www.radionz.co.nz As a disclaimer, I had some involvement with the HTML/CSS templates, but even so, I think it's a good example of a site that's nice visually and reasonably standards-compliant. Mike SIGNIFY LTD :: the logic behind ph: +64 4 803-3211 | fax: +64 4 803-3241 mob: +64 0274 885-992 | http://www.signify.co.nz P.O. Box 24-068, Manners St, Wellington Level 1, 250a Wakefield St, Wellington ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Radio New Zealand site relaunch
John Lewis wrote: Hi Mike, I was interested to see that you are using the back-slash hack when importing your stylesheets, commented as: Excluding old versions of IE etc. I guess what I'm most interested in is how that decision was made? Is it part of your company's approach/philosophy or was it a choice the client made/business rule to not show styled pages for these browsers - thus lowering or containing the cost of the project? The obvious casualties being IE 5 for Mac and IE5.0. Hi John no, that was an informed client choice! We had orginally done the templates to look pretty much the same in IE5 (Win and Mac), but during the integration phase they decided to not send styles to those browsers. I think their statistics showed very few visits from those browsers. I guess this may be one of the first examples of a major (for NZ) public site making the choice not to send styles to those browsers. Yah for clients prepared to make that decision :) Mike ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Radio New Zealand site relaunch
Hi Mike, I'm curious as to how the decision regarding browser support came about. What did the client perceive the 'benefits' of excluding a particular user-base to be? Why not cater to IE5 Mac if the work had already been done? no, that was an informed client choice! We had orginally done the templates to look pretty much the same in IE5 (Win and Mac), but during the integration phase they decided to not send styles to those browsers. I think their statistics showed very few visits from those browsers. I guess this may be one of the first examples of a major (for NZ) public site making the choice not to send styles to those browsers. Yah for clients prepared to make that decision :) -- Andy Kirkwood | Creative Director Motive | web.design.integrity http://www.motive.co.nz ph: (04) 3 800 800 fx: (04) 970 9693 mob: 021 369 693 93 Rintoul St, Newtown PO Box 7150, Wellington South, New Zealand ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Radio New Zealand site relaunch
Andy Kirkwood|Motive said: Hi Mike, I'm curious as to how the decision regarding browser support came about. What did the client perceive the 'benefits' of excluding a particular user-base to be? Why not cater to IE5 Mac if the work had already been done? The content is still available to any browser, so in that sense no-one is being excluded. Granted, it is a curious choice given the work had already been done, but taking a long term view there will be benefits from the reduced site maintainence. I can safely say, from server logs I have access to, the only people using IE5/Mac in New Zealand are designers/developers testing their (or my) designs, and you are more likely to come across IE/PC 4 in the wild. kind regards Terrence Wood. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Radio New Zealand site relaunch
Hi Terrence, My interest in Mike's post is in the client-developer relationship. What swayed the client toward excluding Mac IE from stylesheet support could be beneficial when considering the merits of such an approach with other standards-aware clients. Perhaps the RNZ decision means that Mac IE is now 'browser non grata'. The content is still available to any browser, so in that sense no-one is being excluded. Substitute 'user-experience degraded' in place of 'excluded' if you will. Unless I have misunderstood Mike, a decision was made to exclude Mac IE users *when they had already been 'included'*. taking a long term view there will be benefits from the reduced site maintainence. Such as? A 'dead' browser cannot spawn new bugs, once know bugs have been addressed, there should be no impact upon website maintenance. I can safely say, from server logs I have access to, the only people using IE5/Mac in New Zealand are designers/developers testing their (or my) designs, and you are more likely to come across IE/PC 4 in the wild. As you note,' from the server logs you have access to', and browser statistics vary depending on the user community--unless you're making direct reference to the RNZ website? Best regards, -- Andy Kirkwood | Creative Director Motive | web.design.integrity http://www.motive.co.nz ph: (04) 3 800 800 fx: (04) 970 9693 mob: 021 369 693 93 Rintoul St, Newtown PO Box 7150, Wellington South, New Zealand ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Radio New Zealand site relaunch
Andy Kirkwood|Motive wrote: My interest in Mike's post is in the client-developer relationship. What swayed the client toward excluding Mac IE from stylesheet support could be beneficial when considering the merits of such an approach with other standards-aware clients. Perhaps the RNZ decision means that Mac IE is now 'browser non grata'. Hi Andy it was a while ago I did the templates, so was going from memory! I've asked RNZ about the decision, but haven't heard back yet. Will let you know. It may have been the templates were half, or mostly, done when the decision was made. But from memory it was more of a philosophical decision - ie, time to move on, as we did with Netscape 4 a while ago. Mike ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Radio New Zealand site relaunch
It wouldn't be anything to do with support requirements for the audio content on the site? Eg a decision not to worry about Mac support in general, not just for layout? I just did a quick check - on Safari I got the visual layout but when trying to get to an audio clip, the browser just downloaded an asf file. And IE5.2/Mac - no layout and nothing happened when clicking on the audio link. Cheers all, Rebecca -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Brown Sent: Wednesday, 26 October 2005 2:42 p.m. To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Radio New Zealand site relaunch Andy Kirkwood|Motive wrote: My interest in Mike's post is in the client-developer relationship. What swayed the client toward excluding Mac IE from stylesheet support could be beneficial when considering the merits of such an approach with other standards-aware clients. Perhaps the RNZ decision means that Mac IE is now 'browser non grata'. Hi Andy it was a while ago I did the templates, so was going from memory! I've asked RNZ about the decision, but haven't heard back yet. Will let you know. It may have been the templates were half, or mostly, done when the decision was made. But from memory it was more of a philosophical decision - ie, time to move on, as we did with Netscape 4 a while ago. Mike ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Radio New Zealand site relaunch
http://www.radionz.co.nz As a disclaimer, I had some involvement with the HTML/CSS templates, but even so, I think it's a good example of a site that's nice visually and reasonably standards-compliant. Mike SIGNIFY LTD :: the logic behind ph: +64 4 803-3211 | fax: +64 4 803-3241 mob: +64 0274 885-992 | http://www.signify.co.nz P.O. Box 24-068, Manners St, Wellington Level 1, 250a Wakefield St, Wellington ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Radio New Zealand site relaunch
Another classic Signify Website, good work Mike :D Samuel Richardson Mike Brown wrote: http://www.radionz.co.nz As a disclaimer, I had some involvement with the HTML/CSS templates, but even so, I think it's a good example of a site that's nice visually and reasonably standards-compliant. Mike SIGNIFY LTD :: the logic behind ph: +64 4 803-3211 | fax: +64 4 803-3241 mob: +64 0274 885-992 | http://www.signify.co.nz P.O. Box 24-068, Manners St, Wellington Level 1, 250a Wakefield St, Wellington ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
