Re: [WSG] Semantic markup for a person's name or business name
Semantic markup for a person's name or business nameThe ADDRESS element is intended to provide contact information for the author of the HTML document, not any address. http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#h-7.5.6 -Thom - Original Message - From: Cole Kuryakin To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 5:56 AM Subject: [WSG] Semantic markup for a person's name or business name Hello All - I've been reading a book by Andy Clarke which has a few pages related to micro-formats. He uses the example of marking up an address tag similar to the below using classes (note that br's are mine for formatting): address span class=street101 Some Street, /span span class=subdivisionSome Sub division/spanbr / span class=cityAlameda, /span span class=stateCalifornia, /span span class=postal94501/spanbr / span class=countryUnited States of America/span /address But. what if you want to include a person's name (or a business name) ABOVE the address tag? The only thing that comes immediately to mind would be citeJohn Smith/cite but that doesn't seem correct. Or, should one use an additional span above the address block like this: span class=contactNameJohn Smith/span? So the whole thing might look like this: span class=contactNameJohn Smith/span address span class=street101 Some Street, /span span class=subdivisionSome Sub division/spanbr / span class=cityAlameda, /span span class=stateCalifornia, /span span class=postal94501/spanbr / span class=countryUnited States of America/span /address Interested in all opinions as well as if there is any current standard which addresses this particular issue. Cole *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Semantic markup for a person's name or business name
Semantic markup for a person's name or business nameI think the address tag is specifically intended for the author contact for the page itself (and only used once on a page). for hCard markup see this page: http://microformats.org/wiki/hCard If you want tools that use microformats (such as the Operator Firefox plugin) to see it you should use hCard property names for the classnames and enclose the whole thing in an element with the class vcard. fn post-office-box extended-address street-address locality region postal-code country-name tel use fn for the person's name (fn is required for a valid hCard) eg: span class=fnJohn Smith/span street-address instead of street ...etc... If you need to put something outside the vcard container that needs to be seen as part of that hCard (eg for something that is repeated), you can use include-pattern - http://microformats.org/wiki/include-pattern. (only if you really need to - this does rely on parsers having DOM-like functions) If you just want to mark up an address rather than a contact with a name there is also adr - http://microformats.org/wiki/adr *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Semantic markup for a person's name or business name
Thanks to all for their input on this issue. The hCard link within microformats.org was very helpful. Two follow-on question though: 1. What does the v and h stand for in regards to vCard and hCard, and: 2. Aside from it's semantic nature, is there really any functional use for formatting data using microformats? I mean, if your format various content using microformat standards - as they currently exist - is this information then usable/parse-able on different devices? Or is the use of microformats simply an effort to make specific content blocks (content details, calendars, etc.) semantically coherent in html documents? Thanks to all again. Cole *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Semantic markup for a person's name or business name
Cole Kuryakin wrote: 2. Aside from it's semantic nature, is there really any functional use for formatting data using microformats? For some practical examples of doing stuff with hCard: Online service to translate hCard into vCard (ie. put directly into your contacts application: http://suda.co.uk/projects/X2V/ Operator Firefox Add-on to make use of microformatted content from directly within the browser: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4106 Example code for using hCards to fill in forms: http://lib.omnia-computing.de/hcardmapper Also, Technorati make heavy use of microformats (they were the originators of several of them): http://kitchen.technorati.com/search Rob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Semantic markup for a person's name or business name
2. Aside from it's semantic nature, is there really any functional use for formatting data using microformats? I mean, if your format various content using microformat standards - as they currently exist - is this information then usable/parse-able on different devices? Or is the use of microformats simply an effort to make specific content blocks (content details, calendars, etc.) semantically coherent in html documents? Check out the Firefox plugins Operator - https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4106 and Tails - https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2240 It looks like some native support for microformats may be coming soon to Firefox http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Using_microformats and also IE8, though they seem to be creating their own variation - Webslices which appears to be a wrapper around hAtom - http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/ie/ie8/webslices.mspx There are also some online services to do conversions (such as X2V - http://suda.co.uk/projects/X2V/ ) Check out the implementations pages on the microformats.org wiki for other implementations - eg: http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-implementations *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
