Re: [WSG] Strange character encoding issue
Hi, could used named ampersand character codes. http://www.yourhtmlsource.com/text/specialcharacters.html eg lsquo;SOAPrsquo; On Wed, November 19, 2008 4:05 pm, James Jeffery wrote: Never had a problem with character encodings on web pages, but since I reinstalled the OS on my iMac I have had an issue. Some of my characters, especially when using ' seem to mess up. This is the page, content and layout are simple as it's for a uni assignment: http://mi-linux.wlv.ac.uk/~0802390/overview.html Check out the overview.html page, and notice the issues. There is one noticeable in the overview page âSOAPâ Any ideas? (for those interested I do plan to publish a website regarding the Semantic Web shortly). *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Strange character encoding issue
Never had a problem with character encodings on web pages, but since I reinstalled the OS on my iMac I have had an issue. Some of my characters, especially when using ' seem to mess up. This is the page, content and layout are simple as it's for a uni assignment: http://mi-linux.wlv.ac.uk/~0802390/overview.html Check out the overview.html page, and notice the issues. There is one noticeable in the overview page ‘SOAP’ Any ideas? (for those interested I do plan to publish a website regarding the Semantic Web shortly). *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Strange character encoding issue
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 11:05 AM, James Jeffery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Never had a problem with character encodings on web pages, but since I reinstalled the OS on my iMac I have had an issue. Some of my characters, especially when using ' seem to mess up. This is the page, content and layout are simple as it's for a uni assignment: http://mi-linux.wlv.ac.uk/~0802390/overview.html Check out the overview.html page, and notice the issues. There is one noticeable in the overview page ‘SOAP’ Your HTTP header declares the encoding to be ISO-8859-1 while the HTML (and presumably your text editor) think it is UTF-8. The HTTP header trumps all other sources of encoding information. If you can't change or silence this header on your server, you'll need to save your pages as ISO-8859-1. You might find this article about encoding sources interesting: http://NikitaTheSpider.com/articles/EncodingDivination.html -- Philip http://NikitaTheSpider.com/ Whole-site HTML validation, link checking and more *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Strange character encoding issue
James Jeffery wrote: Never had a problem with character encodings on web pages, but since I reinstalled the OS on my iMac I have had an issue. Your server says: Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 But the data is UTF-8. -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Strange character encoding issue
James -
Ran into this as well and it bedeviled
me for a couple of months. Try adding the following to your head section:
meta http-equiv=content-type
content=text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 /
At 10:05 AM 11/19/2008, you wrote:
Never had a problem with character encodings on
web pages, but since I reinstalled the OS on my iMac I have had an issue.
Some of my characters, especially when using '
seem to mess up. This is the page, content and
layout are simple as it's for a uni assignment:
http://mi-linux.wlv.ac.uk/~0802390/overview.htmlhttp://mi-linux.wlv.ac.uk/~0802390/overview.html
Check out the overview.html page, and notice the
issues. There is one noticeable in the overview page âSOAPâ
Any ideas?
(for those interested I do plan to publish a
website regarding the Semantic Web shortly).
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Re: [WSG] Strange character encoding issue
I don't own the server. Anyway. I saved as ISO-8859-1, and it works on windows now but not on Mac. Pulling my hair out at this issue. On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 4:23 PM, David Dorward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James Jeffery wrote: Never had a problem with character encodings on web pages, but since I reinstalled the OS on my iMac I have had an issue. Your server says: Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 But the data is UTF-8. -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Strange character encoding issue
Got it to work. I think, back when I got the iMac I set all this up because I had a similar issue. When I formatted I forgot to do it again. On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 4:32 PM, James Jeffery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't own the server. Anyway. I saved as ISO-8859-1, and it works on windows now but not on Mac. Pulling my hair out at this issue. On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 4:23 PM, David Dorward [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: James Jeffery wrote: Never had a problem with character encodings on web pages, but since I reinstalled the OS on my iMac I have had an issue. Your server says: Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 But the data is UTF-8. -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Strange character encoding issue
yep, it's right. I've not seen that. 2008/11/19 David Dorward [EMAIL PROTECTED] James Jeffery wrote: Never had a problem with character encodings on web pages, but since I reinstalled the OS on my iMac I have had an issue. Your server says: Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 But the data is UTF-8. -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Iñigo Medina García Tecnología http://www.toprural.com Tu guía de turismo rural *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Strange character encoding issue
on Apache servers, you can add this to your httpd.conf: AddDefaultCharset UTF-8 On Nov 19, 2008, at 11:23 AM, David Dorward wrote: James Jeffery wrote: Never had a problem with character encodings on web pages, but since I reinstalled the OS on my iMac I have had an issue. Your server says: Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 But the data is UTF-8. -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Strange character encoding issue
I used the iso-8859-1 charset and all works :) On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 4:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your server send the data as: Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 but in your code says UTF-8. The values in the http-header overwrites any values in the document. == change the content type settig on your server or == use iso-8859-1 charset in your documents and only valid chars. hope this helps. Kind regards, Stefan James Jeffery wrote: Never had a problem with character encodings on web pages, but since I reinstalled the OS on my iMac I have had an issue. Some of my characters, especially when using ' seem to mess up. This is the page, content and layout are simple as it's for a uni assignment: http://mi-linux.wlv.ac.uk/~0802390/overview.htmlhttp://mi-linux.wlv.ac.uk/%7E0802390/overview.html Check out the overview.html page, and notice the issues. There is one noticeable in the overview page ‘SOAP’ Any ideas? (for those interested I do plan to publish a website regarding the Semantic Web shortly). *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Strange character encoding issue
Hi James, file is saved as utf-8? This is the encoding in the header content-type and it should also be the encoding you work with. iñ 2008/11/19 James Jeffery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Never had a problem with character encodings on web pages, but since I reinstalled the OS on my iMac I have had an issue. Some of my characters, especially when using ' seem to mess up. This is the page, content and layout are simple as it's for a uni assignment: http://mi-linux.wlv.ac.uk/~0802390/overview.htmlhttp://mi-linux.wlv.ac.uk/%7E0802390/overview.html Check out the overview.html page, and notice the issues. There is one noticeable in the overview page ‘SOAP’ Any ideas? (for those interested I do plan to publish a website regarding the Semantic Web shortly). *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Iñigo Medina García Tecnología http://www.toprural.com Tu guía de turismo rural *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Strange character encoding issue
Your server send the data as: Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 but in your code says UTF-8. The values in the http-header overwrites any values in the document. == change the content type settig on your server or == use iso-8859-1 charset in your documents and only valid chars. hope this helps. Kind regards, Stefan James Jeffery wrote: Never had a problem with character encodings on web pages, but since I reinstalled the OS on my iMac I have had an issue. Some of my characters, especially when using ' seem to mess up. This is the page, content and layout are simple as it's for a uni assignment: http://mi-linux.wlv.ac.uk/~0802390/overview.html Check out the overview.html page, and notice the issues. There is one noticeable in the overview page "‘SOAP’" Any ideas? (for those interested I do plan to publish a website regarding the Semantic Web shortly). *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
Re: [WSG] Strange character encoding issue
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 11:32 AM, James Jeffery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't own the server. You don't need to own the server to be able to alter its behavior. Many (most?) ISPs allow you to customize aspects of your site. Anyway. I saved as ISO-8859-1, and it works on windows now but not on Mac. Pulling my hair out at this issue. We might be able to help if you're more specific. Windows is an OS; what *browser* are you using? What does that browser tell you it thinks the page's encoding is? Some of the characters you used (like the curly quotes) might not be in the ISO-8859-1 character set. Browser makers are aware of this, and even if the encoding is declared as ISO-8859-1, the browser will treat the encoding as Win-1252 which is an ISO-8859-1 superset. Wikipedia can tell you the difference. On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 4:23 PM, David Dorward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James Jeffery wrote: Never had a problem with character encodings on web pages, but since I reinstalled the OS on my iMac I have had an issue. Your server says: Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 But the data is UTF-8. -- David Dorward http://dorward.me.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Philip http://NikitaTheSpider.com/ Whole-site HTML validation, link checking and more *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Strange character encoding issue
Never had a problem with character encodings on
web pages, but since I reinstalled the OS on my
iMac I have had an issue.
Some of my characters, especially when using '
seem to mess up. This is the page, content and
layout are simple as it's for a uni assignment:
http://mi-linux.wlv.ac.uk/~0802390/overview.htmlhttp://mi-linux.wlv.ac.uk/~0802390/overview.html
Check out the overview.html page, and notice the
issues. There is one noticeable in the overview
page â¤SOAPâ¤
Any ideas?
(for those interested I do plan to publish a
website regarding the Semantic Web shortly).
James,
Running your page through the W3 Validator
(validator.w3.org) gives the following response:
Error line 5 7 , C o l u m n 2 0 : n o n
S G M L c h a r a c t e r n u m b e r
1 4 5 .
t h e k e y w o r d
ë S O A P í i n a s e a r c h
e n g i n e w i l l r e t u r n
r e s u l t s
You have used an illegal character in your text.
HTML uses the standard UNICODE Consortium
(http://www.unicode.org/) character repertoire,
and it leaves undefined (among others) 65
character codes (0 to 31 inclusive and 127 to 159
inclusive) that are sometimes used for
typographical quote marks and similar in
proprietary character sets. The validator has
found one of these undefined characters in your
document. The character may appear on your
browser as a curly quote, or a trademark symbol,
or some other fancy glyph; on a different
computer, however, it will likely appear as a
completely different character, or nothing at all.
Your best bet is to replace the character with
the nearest equivalent ASCII character, or to use
an appropriate character entity
(http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/html3/latin1.html).
For more information on Character Encoding on the
web, see Alan Flavell's excellent HTML Character
Set Issues/a reference
(http://web.archive.org/web/20060425191748/ppewww.ph.gla.ac.uk/~flavell/charset/).
End of quote.
I always recommend people use UTF-8 because it's
a much larger character set than ISO-8859-1. I
also recommend use of XHTML Transitional rather
than HTML DTD's.
On a side note, I like your page, very
attractive. But I found the 1, 2, 3, ... buttons
at the top confusing because I kept trying to
click the number. Then I tried clicking the blue
text, both of which produced nothing. Finally my
cursor wandered over the black text and I
realized it was the link. Perhaps underlining
that link or making it dynamic like the button
would prevent the confusion I encountered. On the
other hand, perhaps I just need another cup of
coffee!
Peace,
-Tim
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Re: [WSG] Strange character encoding issue
Tim, Yes that is a common problem. Usually I would fix that, but seen as I have about 3 hours to get this tested and handed in I think I will leave it. I'll just underline the links :) Thanks for the complement on the design and the fact you spotted the usability issue. Much appreciated. James On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 5:09 PM, Tim Offenstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Never had a problem with character encodings on web pages, but since I reinstalled the OS on my iMac I have had an issue. Some of my characters, especially when using ' seem to mess up. This is the page, content and layout are simple as it's for a uni assignment: http://mi-linux.wlv.ac.uk/~0802390/overview.htmlhttp://mi-linux.wlv.ac.uk/%7E0802390/overview.html Check out the overview.html page, and notice the issues. There is one noticeable in the overview page ⤗SOAP⤠Any ideas? (for those interested I do plan to publish a website regarding the Semantic Web shortly). James, Running your page through the W3 Validator (validator.w3.org) gives the following response: Error line 5 7 , C o l u m n 2 0 : n o n S G M L c h a r a c t e r n u m b e r 1 4 5 . t h e k e y w o r d ë S O A P í i n a s e a r c h e n g i n e w i l l r e t u r n r e s u l t s You have used an illegal character in your text. HTML uses the standard UNICODE Consortium (http://www.unicode.org/) character repertoire, and it leaves undefined (among others) 65 character codes (0 to 31 inclusive and 127 to 159 inclusive) that are sometimes used for typographical quote marks and similar in proprietary character sets. The validator has found one of these undefined characters in your document. The character may appear on your browser as a curly quote, or a trademark symbol, or some other fancy glyph; on a different computer, however, it will likely appear as a completely different character, or nothing at all. Your best bet is to replace the character with the nearest equivalent ASCII character, or to use an appropriate character entity ( http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/html3/latin1.html). For more information on Character Encoding on the web, see Alan Flavell's excellent HTML Character Set Issues/a reference ( http://web.archive.org/web/20060425191748/ppewww.ph.gla.ac.uk/~flavehttp://web.archive.org/web/20060425191748/ppewww.ph.gla.ac.uk/%7Eflave ll/charset/). End of quote. I always recommend people use UTF-8 because it's a much larger character set than ISO-8859-1. I also recommend use of XHTML Transitional rather than HTML DTD's. On a side note, I like your page, very attractive. But I found the 1, 2, 3, ... buttons at the top confusing because I kept trying to click the number. Then I tried clicking the blue text, both of which produced nothing. Finally my cursor wandered over the black text and I realized it was the link. Perhaps underlining that link or making it dynamic like the button would prevent the confusion I encountered. On the other hand, perhaps I just need another cup of coffee! Peace, -Tim -- Tim Offenstein *** Campus Accessibility Liaison *** (217) 244-2700 CITES Departmental Services *** www.uiuc.edu/goto/offenstein *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
