[WSG] Writing authoritative content
Aaron, I'll try and be as constructive as possible but I have to point out a few things and make some suggestions?! People who read articles, magazines, discuss on boards, are in large, learners. We're all students of the Web but all too often we learn on the advice of others with, what we perceive to be, authority. The contents of this month's issue states: perfect menus, perfect layouts and clean code. Now, may I ask on what authority do you claim to be in a position to write such material? The reason I ask is when I read your post, I checked out your website, www.stageguy.co.uk, blindly hoping for a useful resource but instead I was met with a seriously poor mix of HTML which chokes the validator and makes no sense. Beyond this I checked out your portfolio and even your clients websites share the same poor mix of HTML which makes no logical sense (but somehow renders). Since this is a standards list, I'd hope this would be a bigger priority before imparting your knowledge of CSS, after all, how can you effectively style poor, invalid markup when the markup is the foundation? Apologies is this sounds like a bashing, I don't normally post but it's just I've spent two days with some web designers and I've been (not literally) wringing their necks trying to unlearn authoritative information about markup and style they've read on the web. I hope you see this in the light it was meant for. Don't try to run before you can walk, sort your website out, improve the quality of your clients work and perhaps you'll have great success as an author and we can all read and learn, as I've previously mentioned, we're all students of the Web. Regards, Edward Clarke www.ebizconsultancy.co.uk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Wheeler Sent: 25 October 2008 18:57 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Font-size inheritance issue? Hi all my name is Aaron and I own the new site cssboard.co.uk I am writing to you all today to see if anyone could help me out with 3 minutes of their time. I am startinga new magazine (FREE) called Css Design it is a magazine designed at reaching the designers of the web world who loved and will only stick to the css standard way of life. In short I am looking for as much help as I can writing the articles ( all adverts go to you and you companies / projects) The themes this month is as follows IN THIS ISSUE The Growth of Gallery Design Competition Sites (Article) How to create the perfect css menu navigation (Tutorial) Where is design heading in 2009(Article) The Perfect Layout (Tutorial) Clean Code (Article) Design Competition - Design a new church site (Prize award of free css bible book) Resources ( A collection of links that will build up as the magazine gets better) 3 - 4 pages of advertising throughout the issue Best CSS Gallery - We will be doing an article on the best css gallery site we can find. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Writing authoritative content
Hi Edward Thanks for your views and I totally understand where you are coming from. My clients sites were designed by me and a most have not been coded. They had their own coders. My site is only being created I am getting the look right before I get the code sorted this for me seems to come last. I try to get it working:) Thanks again for being nice unlike some other emails I have received. Aaron If you have any issues regarding this email please feel free to contact me on the details below. Aaron Wheeler Tel: 01483 860 235 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.stageguy.co.uk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edward Clarke Sent: 25 October 2008 20:19 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Writing authoritative content Aaron, I'll try and be as constructive as possible but I have to point out a few things and make some suggestions?! People who read articles, magazines, discuss on boards, are in large, learners. We're all students of the Web but all too often we learn on the advice of others with, what we perceive to be, authority. The contents of this month's issue states: perfect menus, perfect layouts and clean code. Now, may I ask on what authority do you claim to be in a position to write such material? The reason I ask is when I read your post, I checked out your website, www.stageguy.co.uk, blindly hoping for a useful resource but instead I was met with a seriously poor mix of HTML which chokes the validator and makes no sense. Beyond this I checked out your portfolio and even your clients websites share the same poor mix of HTML which makes no logical sense (but somehow renders). Since this is a standards list, I'd hope this would be a bigger priority before imparting your knowledge of CSS, after all, how can you effectively style poor, invalid markup when the markup is the foundation? Apologies is this sounds like a bashing, I don't normally post but it's just I've spent two days with some web designers and I've been (not literally) wringing their necks trying to unlearn authoritative information about markup and style they've read on the web. I hope you see this in the light it was meant for. Don't try to run before you can walk, sort your website out, improve the quality of your clients work and perhaps you'll have great success as an author and we can all read and learn, as I've previously mentioned, we're all students of the Web. Regards, Edward Clarke www.ebizconsultancy.co.uk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Wheeler Sent: 25 October 2008 18:57 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Font-size inheritance issue? Hi all my name is Aaron and I own the new site cssboard.co.uk I am writing to you all today to see if anyone could help me out with 3 minutes of their time. I am startinga new magazine (FREE) called Css Design it is a magazine designed at reaching the designers of the web world who loved and will only stick to the css standard way of life. In short I am looking for as much help as I can writing the articles ( all adverts go to you and you companies / projects) The themes this month is as follows IN THIS ISSUE The Growth of Gallery Design Competition Sites (Article) How to create the perfect css menu navigation (Tutorial) Where is design heading in 2009(Article) The Perfect Layout (Tutorial) Clean Code (Article) Design Competition - Design a new church site (Prize award of free css bible book) Resources ( A collection of links that will build up as the magazine gets better) 3 - 4 pages of advertising throughout the issue Best CSS Gallery - We will be doing an article on the best css gallery site we can find. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1742 - Release Date: 25/10/2008 09:53 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Writing authoritative content
I don't doubt your intentions, the more useful resources there are the more the standards are raised but people will interpret / get led by / take as gospel information they receive when the source of the information is, in their eyes, authoritative. With this comes a responsibility to be factually accurate and be of unquestionable quality. Just look at the UK's current education system for the results of poor teaching, economically unproductive numpties who struggle to spell correctly. I wouldn't worry too much about arguments, let it fall on deaf ears, but do heed knowledge and experience from seasoned coders here, after all, it's something you'll be expecting your readership to do ;) WSG is a very productive list for students of standards so you're definitely in the right place. I wish your magazine every success. Regards, Edward Clarke www.ebizconsultancy.co.uk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Wheeler Sent: 25 October 2008 20:40 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Writing authoritative content Edward Sorry but to elaborate further, I found this problem to with so many people offering the true compliant ways to code and not performing and once again blaming the web for their mistakes. I would like to point out this is why I have turned to this site as a means to help out on my magazine to make sure all stuff is compliant. I was going to send an email next saying any articles that are made for my magazine if they were posted in these emails. If when people got a chance could please read and confirm all this. I do not mean to upset people and start arguments which some people would seem want to I just want a magazine that is easy to follow and keeps us to a line with compliant standards. If you have any issues regarding this email please feel free to contact me on the details below. Aaron Wheeler Tel: 01483 860 235 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.stageguy.co.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Writing authoritative content
Thanks Edward You have been a very good help to me, I will try to be as accurate in my magazine as possible and that is why I am asking for help (I will pass pdf's of the magazine as it goes along the production stage for all you guys to have a look if you like and let me know). I would appreciate any ideas, what would you like from a magazine. I am trying to include good informative articles on current issues with browser compatibility as well as the focus on css3 when it is released full with browsers that fully support this function. So any ideas you or anyone else has on what you would like please let me know. If you have any issues regarding this email please feel free to contact me on the details below. Aaron Wheeler Tel: 01483 860 235 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.stageguy.co.uk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edward Clarke Sent: 25 October 2008 21:00 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Writing authoritative content I don't doubt your intentions, the more useful resources there are the more the standards are raised but people will interpret / get led by / take as gospel information they receive when the source of the information is, in their eyes, authoritative. With this comes a responsibility to be factually accurate and be of unquestionable quality. Just look at the UK's current education system for the results of poor teaching, economically unproductive numpties who struggle to spell correctly. I wouldn't worry too much about arguments, let it fall on deaf ears, but do heed knowledge and experience from seasoned coders here, after all, it's something you'll be expecting your readership to do ;) WSG is a very productive list for students of standards so you're definitely in the right place. I wish your magazine every success. Regards, Edward Clarke www.ebizconsultancy.co.uk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Wheeler Sent: 25 October 2008 20:40 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Writing authoritative content Edward Sorry but to elaborate further, I found this problem to with so many people offering the true compliant ways to code and not performing and once again blaming the web for their mistakes. I would like to point out this is why I have turned to this site as a means to help out on my magazine to make sure all stuff is compliant. I was going to send an email next saying any articles that are made for my magazine if they were posted in these emails. If when people got a chance could please read and confirm all this. I do not mean to upset people and start arguments which some people would seem want to I just want a magazine that is easy to follow and keeps us to a line with compliant standards. If you have any issues regarding this email please feel free to contact me on the details below. Aaron Wheeler Tel: 01483 860 235 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.stageguy.co.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1742 - Release Date: 25/10/2008 09:53 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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This isn't a magazine website?, its a physical magazine? On 25-Oct-08, at 4:43 PM, Aaron Wheeler wrote: Thanks Edward You have been a very good help to me, I will try to be as accurate in my magazine as possible and that is why I am asking for help (I will pass pdf's of the magazine as it goes along the production stage for all you guys to have a look if you like and let me know). I would appreciate any ideas, what would you like from a magazine. I am trying to include good informative articles on current issues with browser compatibility as well as the focus on css3 when it is released full with browsers that fully support this function. So any ideas you or anyone else has on what you would like please let me know. If you have any issues regarding this email please feel free to contact me on the details below. Aaron Wheeler Tel: 01483 860 235 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.stageguy.co.uk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edward Clarke Sent: 25 October 2008 21:00 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Writing authoritative content I don't doubt your intentions, the more useful resources there are the more the standards are raised but people will interpret / get led by / take as gospel information they receive when the source of the information is, in their eyes, authoritative. With this comes a responsibility to be factually accurate and be of unquestionable quality. Just look at the UK's current education system for the results of poor teaching, economically unproductive numpties who struggle to spell correctly. I wouldn't worry too much about arguments, let it fall on deaf ears, but do heed knowledge and experience from seasoned coders here, after all, it's something you'll be expecting your readership to do ;) WSG is a very productive list for students of standards so you're definitely in the right place. I wish your magazine every success. Regards, Edward Clarke www.ebizconsultancy.co.uk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Wheeler Sent: 25 October 2008 20:40 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Writing authoritative content Edward Sorry but to elaborate further, I found this problem to with so many people offering the true compliant ways to code and not performing and once again blaming the web for their mistakes. I would like to point out this is why I have turned to this site as a means to help out on my magazine to make sure all stuff is compliant. I was going to send an email next saying any articles that are made for my magazine if they were posted in these emails. If when people got a chance could please read and confirm all this. I do not mean to upset people and start arguments which some people would seem want to I just want a magazine that is easy to follow and keeps us to a line with compliant standards. If you have any issues regarding this email please feel free to contact me on the details below. Aaron Wheeler Tel: 01483 860 235 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.stageguy.co.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1742 - Release Date: 25/10/2008 09:53 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Writing authoritative content
Andrew, I'm not sure who those questions were aimed at but does the medium matter if the information is the same? It's the validity of the content that's at question here. Regards, Edward Clarke www.ebizconsultancy.co.uk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Brown Sent: 25 October 2008 22:16 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Writing authoritative content This isn't a magazine website?, its a physical magazine? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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I know but people still read magazines? On 25-Oct-08, at 5:22 PM, Edward Clarke wrote: Andrew, I'm not sure who those questions were aimed at but does the medium matter if the information is the same? It's the validity of the content that's at question here. Regards, Edward Clarke www.ebizconsultancy.co.uk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Brown Sent: 25 October 2008 22:16 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Writing authoritative content This isn't a magazine website?, its a physical magazine? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Uh...yeah. Both the virtual and physical ones. On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Andrew Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know but people still read magazines? On 25-Oct-08, at 5:22 PM, Edward Clarke wrote: Andrew, I'm not sure who those questions were aimed at but does the medium matter if the information is the same? It's the validity of the content that's at question here. Regards, Edward Clarke www.ebizconsultancy.co.uk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Brown Sent: 25 October 2008 22:16 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Writing authoritative content This isn't a magazine website?, its a physical magazine? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
