Re: [WSG] text field size tag
Justin French wrote: In my opinion, you still need to set a "default" width for the element using the size attribute, for those without CSS. Yes, it will be overridden with CSS for 99% of your browsing audience, but it safer to put *something* in there as default, since you have no idea how a browser will behave without it. If CSS isn't supported, my guess is that your layout will have bigger problems than the width of a form control. * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
RE: [WSG] text field size tag
> It could be > that if padding, border and margin values are set (let's say > to zero) the widths of the different form controls may be the > same - or at least a bit closer ;) I wouldn't hold my breath on that one. Form elements are notoriously difficult to consistently style, as they are replaced elements effectively under the direct control of the browser/OS. Worth a try, but it's more than likely that fixing it in one browser will throw up problems in another browser, and you'll end up chasing your own tail. IMHO anyway, Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
RE: [WSG] text field size tag
Marco della Pina: >Internet Explorer 6 (Windows) (only!) in "Standard Mode" has a bug in >its rendering engine, i.e. the CSS-Definition "width: 200px;" is wider >for an input field than for a select box. Mariusz Stankiewicz >In FireFox .8 the two fields appear different in length on both quirks >on and off. This is not really a CSS bug, I think, more a difficulty surrounding the rendering of form controls. As is well known, unstyled form controls are drawn by browsers using the underlying OS settings. This includes features like the arrow on the right of a select box and the way a form button changes when it is "pressed". In the example, only the width value was set by CSS. It could be that if padding, border and margin values are set (let's say to zero) the widths of the different form controls may be the same - or at least a bit closer ;) Owen -Original Message- From: Mariusz Stankiewicz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 14 July 2004 10:27 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] text field size tag In FireFox .8 the two fields appear different in length on both quirks on and off. marco della pina wrote: >Ted Drake wrote: > > > >>I'm wondering if anyone has any more concrete opinions on the >>practice of defining width of input and select fields with >>css instead of the size attribute. >> >> > >There is a big problem with defining the width of input and select >fields over CSS: > >Internet Explorer 6 (Windows) (only!) in "Standard Mode" has a bug in >its rendering engine, i.e. the CSS-Definition "width: 200px;" is wider >for an input field than for a select box. > >I wrote a small example on http://www.mdpnet.de/css-width/ > >So far, I found no solution on this problem. Does anybody else? > >Greetings from Germany, > >Marco >* >The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ >See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm >for some hints on posting to the list & getting help >* > > > > * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help * __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information contained in this communication is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and others authorised to receive it. If you are not the intended recipient you should not disclose, copy, distribute or take action on the contents of this information, except for the purpose of delivery to the addressee. Any unauthorised use is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender by email immediately and delete the message from your computer. ECOTEC Research & Consulting Limited Registered in England No. 1650169 Registered Office: Priestley House, 28-34 Albert Street, Birmingham, B4 7UD, UK Tel: +44 (0)121 616 3600 http://www.ecotec.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] text field size tag
In FireFox .8 the two fields appear different in length on both quirks on and off. marco della pina wrote: Ted Drake wrote: I'm wondering if anyone has any more concrete opinions on the practice of defining width of input and select fields with css instead of the size attribute. There is a big problem with defining the width of input and select fields over CSS: Internet Explorer 6 (Windows) (only!) in "Standard Mode" has a bug in its rendering engine, i.e. the CSS-Definition "width: 200px;" is wider for an input field than for a select box. I wrote a small example on http://www.mdpnet.de/css-width/ So far, I found no solution on this problem. Does anybody else? Greetings from Germany, Marco * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help * * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
RE: [WSG] text field size tag
Ted Drake wrote: > I'm wondering if anyone has any more concrete opinions on the > practice of defining width of input and select fields with > css instead of the size attribute. There is a big problem with defining the width of input and select fields over CSS: Internet Explorer 6 (Windows) (only!) in "Standard Mode" has a bug in its rendering engine, i.e. the CSS-Definition "width: 200px;" is wider for an input field than for a select box. I wrote a small example on http://www.mdpnet.de/css-width/ So far, I found no solution on this problem. Does anybody else? Greetings from Germany, Marco * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] text field size tag
On 14/07/2004, at 5:13 AM, Ted Drake wrote: In the 5th edition of O'Reilly's HTML and XHTML the definitive guide, they suggest listing a size and max length for the text input field. I would like to define the width with css and leave out the size attribute on my input fields. I'm trying to remove as much styling from our forms as possible and this works in my testing so far. I'm wondering if anyone has any more concrete opinions on the practice of defining width of input and select fields with css instead of the size attribute. In my opinion, you still need to set a "default" width for the element using the size attribute, for those without CSS. Yes, it will be overridden with CSS for 99% of your browsing audience, but it safer to put *something* in there as default, since you have no idea how a browser will behave without it. Most browsers seem to put in a sensible default width if you exclude the size attribute, but I think "better the devil you know" in this case -- since you can't possibly test on every useragent available, let's give them a sensible default, then style over the top of it. --- Justin French http://indent.com.au * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
Re: [WSG] text field size tag
Ted Drake wrote:
listing a size and max length for the text input field. I would like to define the
width with css and leave out the size attribute on my input fields.
To get around IE nasty habit of expanding boxes to the destruction of
the layout, I set {width : 80%;} with success. The attribute "size" is
equivalent to width for all practical purposes. Since this is
presentation, it belongs in the CSS.
The "maxlength" is another story; it's the maximum number of character
the field will except, and therefor nothing to due with presentation.
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Re: [WSG] text field size tag
I'd say that the size is an intrinsic dimension of the input element, and - similar to what happens with images - it's ok to have it in your xhtml. You can still use css in addition to it. But I think at the end of the day it comes down to preference... Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively. [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] http://www.splintered.co.uk | http://www.photographia.co.uk | http://redux.deviantart.com * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
[WSG] text field size tag
In the 5th edition of O'Reilly's HTML and XHTML the definitive guide, they suggest listing a size and max length for the text input field. I would like to define the width with css and leave out the size attribute on my input fields. I'm trying to remove as much styling from our forms as possible and this works in my testing so far. I'm wondering if anyone has any more concrete opinions on the practice of defining width of input and select fields with css instead of the size attribute. Thanks Ted * The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help *
