RE: [WSG] turkish text - can you assign a language or encoding to a div?
Hello Ted, Bear in mind that language declarations are totally separate from character encodings. For example, French can be encoded in several different ways, and utf-8 can represent many different languages. Language information is used for things like spellchecking, styling, speech synthesis, etc. Character encoding indicates what characters should be interpreted from the bytes in the code. Note also that there can only be a single encoding for a page. Hope that helps, RI Richard Ishida W3C contact info: http://www.w3.org/People/Ishida/ W3C Internationalization: http://www.w3.org/International/ Publication blog: http://people.w3.org/rishida/blog/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted Drake Sent: 22 November 2004 22:00 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] turkish text - can you assign a language or encoding to a div? If you are doing a web site and you only have sporadic use of turkish characters, can't you wrap that text in a div and assign it a language? I haven't done this before so I'm asking not suggesting. But I thought that I have seen that as a semantic way to show that there will be languages other than the native on a page. Now, is there also a way to designate the character encoding on a div or span? Ted Lang attributes: Fixed. UTF-8 instead of ISO: Here's the validator's message: Sorry, I am unable to validate this document because on lines 7-9, 11, 79, 84, 86-87, 89-92, 101, 104-107, 114 it contained one or more bytes that I cannot interpret as utf-8 (in other words, the bytes found are not valid values in the specified Character Encoding). Please check both the content of the file and the character encoding indication. It doesn't like the Turkish characters. I simply won't write any UTF-8 codes while writing an article to my web site. If it doesn't validate my web page some day some how because of Turkish characters, I won't mind if my pages render correct. If my pages don't render correct with the Turkish characters in the code, I will use Flash. ;) Because English speaking people can simply write for the web by hitting one character they know. Why shoulf non-English speaking people like me bother character entities etc? Also, I know I can use findreplace on multi files at the same time, but I won't do that. Then I will have to backup two copies of each page (eg. if I want to use my text elsewhere, what will I do then? Reconvert to the original?). - Why? - Because W3C said so. Thank you for your comment. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] turkish text - can you assign a language or encoding to a div?
If you are doing a web site and you only have sporadic use of turkish characters, can't you wrap that text in a div and assign it a language? I haven't done this before so I'm asking not suggesting. But I thought that I have seen that as a semantic way to show that there will be languages other than the native on a page. Now, is there also a way to designate the character encoding on a div or span? Ted Lang attributes: Fixed. UTF-8 instead of ISO: Here's the validator's message: Sorry, I am unable to validate this document because on lines 7-9, 11, 79, 84, 86-87, 89-92, 101, 104-107, 114 it contained one or more bytes that I cannot interpret as utf-8 (in other words, the bytes found are not valid values in the specified Character Encoding). Please check both the content of the file and the character encoding indication. It doesn't like the Turkish characters. I simply won't write any UTF-8 codes while writing an article to my web site. If it doesn't validate my web page some day some how because of Turkish characters, I won't mind if my pages render correct. If my pages don't render correct with the Turkish characters in the code, I will use Flash. ;) Because English speaking people can simply write for the web by hitting one character they know. Why shoulf non-English speaking people like me bother character entities etc? Also, I know I can use findreplace on multi files at the same time, but I won't do that. Then I will have to backup two copies of each page (eg. if I want to use my text elsewhere, what will I do then? Reconvert to the original?). - Why? - Because W3C said so. Thank you for your comment. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] turkish text - can you assign a language or encoding to a div?
On 22 nov 2004, at 23.00, Ted Drake wrote: If you are doing a web site and you only have sporadic use of turkish characters, can't you wrap that text in a div and assign it a language? I haven't done this before so I'm asking not suggesting. But I thought that I have seen that as a semantic way to show that there will be languages other than the native on a page. Now, is there also a way to designate the character encoding on a div or span? Language, yes. You can use the lang attribute [1] to specify the language of any HTML element. Character encoding, no. That is set once for the whole document. [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/dirlang.html#adef-lang /Roger -- http://www.456bereastreet.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
