RE: [WSG] Frames and title relevance to screen readers....
Hi, The link I gave discusses screereaders and seems to suggest that screenreaders use the title attribute of the frames rather than the title tag within the head section of the frame contents. Since the article specifically relates to screenreaders and their accessibility problems with frames and as it makes no mention of title tags of frame contents, it would seem not to be currently an issue. However, a future user agent/screenreader may wish to use the title tag (or you may wish to use no frames section to access frame content pages separately) so why not include the title tag anyway - it shouldn't make too much effort and may help in the design process semantics. On Wed, April 2, 2008 11:30 pm, Anat Katz wrote: thanks for that Stuart. We have already implemented frame titles, we were actually referring to the page titles (found within the HEAD) of the html that makes up the page within the frame. If these were left blank would it cause a problem??? Frame: frame src=page.html name=BodyContent id=BodyContent title=Main Content longdesc=frameset-desc.html#BodyContent noresize=noresize / page.html: HEAD TITLE???/TITLE /HEAD Cheers, Anat -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Stuart Foulstone Sent: Wednesday, 2 April 2008 8:43 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Frames and title relevance to screen readers Hi, You might find the following link useful: See http://www.webaim.org/techniques/frames/ Stuart On Wed, April 2, 2008 1:13 am, Anat Katz wrote: Hi team, Just a general question - is there any value from a screen reader point of view, to have a specific title to the actual pages that were build /called by the frameset. Is there any value for screen reader's users? I.e.: the page that contains the main content, should have a specific /relevant page title? Do screen readers read the page title of each one of the pages of the frameset? Or do they only read the one frameset page title? Example: Recipes page title as opposed to main content page title. (please note I am not referring to the titles of the frames in the frameset, see example below) frame src=page.html name=BodyContent id=BodyContent title=Main Content longdesc=frameset-desc.html#BodyContent noresize=noresize / Cheers, Anat This email and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential information and are intended for the named addressee only. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail immediately. Any confidentiality, privilege or copyright is not waived or lost because this e-mail has been sent to you in error. It is your responsibility to check this e-mail and any attachments for viruses. No warranty is made that this material is free from computer virus or any other defect or error. Any loss/damage incurred by using this material is not the sender's responsibility. The sender's entire liability will be limited to resupplying the material. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** This email and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential information and are intended for the named addressee only. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail immediately. Any confidentiality, privilege or copyright is not waived or lost because this e-mail has been sent to you in error. It is your responsibility to check this e-mail and any attachments for viruses. No warranty is made that this material is free from computer virus or any other defect or error. Any loss/damage incurred by using this material is not the sender's responsibility. The sender's entire liability will be limited to resupplying the material. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Frames and title relevance to screen readers....
we are thinking to leave the title (in the head) of the page blank... since we have a good h1 for the page... my question is do screen readers read the title of the pages that within the frameset? Cheers, Anat -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Stuart Foulstone Sent: Thursday, 3 April 2008 6:02 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Frames and title relevance to screen readers Hi, The link I gave discusses screereaders and seems to suggest that screenreaders use the title attribute of the frames rather than the title tag within the head section of the frame contents. Since the article specifically relates to screenreaders and their accessibility problems with frames and as it makes no mention of title tags of frame contents, it would seem not to be currently an issue. However, a future user agent/screenreader may wish to use the title tag (or you may wish to use no frames section to access frame content pages separately) so why not include the title tag anyway - it shouldn't make too much effort and may help in the design process semantics. On Wed, April 2, 2008 11:30 pm, Anat Katz wrote: thanks for that Stuart. We have already implemented frame titles, we were actually referring to the page titles (found within the HEAD) of the html that makes up the page within the frame. If these were left blank would it cause a problem??? Frame: frame src=page.html name=BodyContent id=BodyContent title=Main Content longdesc=frameset-desc.html#BodyContent noresize=noresize / page.html: HEAD TITLE???/TITLE /HEAD Cheers, Anat -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Stuart Foulstone Sent: Wednesday, 2 April 2008 8:43 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Frames and title relevance to screen readers Hi, You might find the following link useful: See http://www.webaim.org/techniques/frames/ Stuart On Wed, April 2, 2008 1:13 am, Anat Katz wrote: Hi team, Just a general question - is there any value from a screen reader point of view, to have a specific title to the actual pages that were build /called by the frameset. Is there any value for screen reader's users? I.e.: the page that contains the main content, should have a specific /relevant page title? Do screen readers read the page title of each one of the pages of the frameset? Or do they only read the one frameset page title? Example: Recipes page title as opposed to main content page title. (please note I am not referring to the titles of the frames in the frameset, see example below) frame src=page.html name=BodyContent id=BodyContent title=Main Content longdesc=frameset-desc.html#BodyContent noresize=noresize / Cheers, Anat This email and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential information and are intended for the named addressee only. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail immediately. Any confidentiality, privilege or copyright is not waived or lost because this e-mail has been sent to you in error. It is your responsibility to check this e-mail and any attachments for viruses. No warranty is made that this material is free from computer virus or any other defect or error. Any loss/damage incurred by using this material is not the sender's responsibility. The sender's entire liability will be limited to resupplying the material. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** This email and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential information and are intended for the named addressee only. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail immediately. Any confidentiality, privilege or copyright is not waived or lost because this e-mail has been sent to you in error. It is your responsibility to check this e-mail and any attachments for viruses. No warranty is made that this material is free from computer virus or any other defect or error. Any loss/damage incurred by using this material is not the sender's responsibility. The sender's entire liability will be limited to resupplying the material. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http
Re: [WSG] Frames and title relevance to screen readers....
Hi, You might find the following link useful: See http://www.webaim.org/techniques/frames/ Stuart On Wed, April 2, 2008 1:13 am, Anat Katz wrote: Hi team, Just a general question - is there any value from a screen reader point of view, to have a specific title to the actual pages that were build /called by the frameset. Is there any value for screen reader's users? I.e.: the page that contains the main content, should have a specific /relevant page title? Do screen readers read the page title of each one of the pages of the frameset? Or do they only read the one frameset page title? Example: Recipes page title as opposed to main content page title. (please note I am not referring to the titles of the frames in the frameset, see example below) frame src=page.html name=BodyContent id=BodyContent title=Main Content longdesc=frameset-desc.html#BodyContent noresize=noresize / Cheers, Anat This email and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential information and are intended for the named addressee only. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail immediately. Any confidentiality, privilege or copyright is not waived or lost because this e-mail has been sent to you in error. It is your responsibility to check this e-mail and any attachments for viruses. No warranty is made that this material is free from computer virus or any other defect or error. Any loss/damage incurred by using this material is not the sender's responsibility. The sender's entire liability will be limited to resupplying the material. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Frames and title relevance to screen readers....
thanks for that Stuart. We have already implemented frame titles, we were actually referring to the page titles (found within the HEAD) of the html that makes up the page within the frame. If these were left blank would it cause a problem??? Frame: frame src=page.html name=BodyContent id=BodyContent title=Main Content longdesc=frameset-desc.html#BodyContent noresize=noresize / page.html: HEAD TITLE???/TITLE /HEAD Cheers, Anat -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Stuart Foulstone Sent: Wednesday, 2 April 2008 8:43 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Frames and title relevance to screen readers Hi, You might find the following link useful: See http://www.webaim.org/techniques/frames/ Stuart On Wed, April 2, 2008 1:13 am, Anat Katz wrote: Hi team, Just a general question - is there any value from a screen reader point of view, to have a specific title to the actual pages that were build /called by the frameset. Is there any value for screen reader's users? I.e.: the page that contains the main content, should have a specific /relevant page title? Do screen readers read the page title of each one of the pages of the frameset? Or do they only read the one frameset page title? Example: Recipes page title as opposed to main content page title. (please note I am not referring to the titles of the frames in the frameset, see example below) frame src=page.html name=BodyContent id=BodyContent title=Main Content longdesc=frameset-desc.html#BodyContent noresize=noresize / Cheers, Anat This email and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential information and are intended for the named addressee only. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail immediately. Any confidentiality, privilege or copyright is not waived or lost because this e-mail has been sent to you in error. It is your responsibility to check this e-mail and any attachments for viruses. No warranty is made that this material is free from computer virus or any other defect or error. Any loss/damage incurred by using this material is not the sender's responsibility. The sender's entire liability will be limited to resupplying the material. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** This email and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential information and are intended for the named addressee only. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail immediately. Any confidentiality, privilege or copyright is not waived or lost because this e-mail has been sent to you in error. It is your responsibility to check this e-mail and any attachments for viruses. No warranty is made that this material is free from computer virus or any other defect or error. Any loss/damage incurred by using this material is not the sender's responsibility. The sender's entire liability will be limited to resupplying the material. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Frames and title relevance to screen readers....
On 4/2/08, Anat Katz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ??? this is what your visitor would see in the title bar of the browser or nothing if you left it blank. using keywords in your title helps with seo. dwain -- dwain alford The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Kandinsky *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Frames and title relevance to screen readers....
I will admit to being surprised that people aren't screaming don't use frames. I guess that will by my first question, why are you using frames. Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 Anat Katz wrote: thanks for that Stuart. We have already implemented frame titles, we were actually referring to the page titles (found within the HEAD) of the html that makes up the page within the frame. If these were left blank would it cause a problem??? Frame: frame src=page.html name=BodyContent id=BodyContent title=Main Content longdesc=frameset-desc.html#BodyContent noresize=noresize / page.html: HEAD TITLE???/TITLE /HEAD Cheers, Anat -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Stuart Foulstone Sent: Wednesday, 2 April 2008 8:43 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Frames and title relevance to screen readers Hi, You might find the following link useful: See http://www.webaim.org/techniques/frames/ Stuart On Wed, April 2, 2008 1:13 am, Anat Katz wrote: Hi team, Just a general question - is there any value from a screen reader point of view, to have a specific title to the actual pages that were build /called by the frameset. Is there any value for screen reader's users? I.e.: the page that contains the main content, should have a specific /relevant page title? Do screen readers read the page title of each one of the pages of the frameset? Or do they only read the one frameset page title? Example: Recipes page title as opposed to main content page title. (please note I am not referring to the titles of the frames in the frameset, see example below) frame src=page.html name=BodyContent id=BodyContent title=Main Content longdesc=frameset-desc.html#BodyContent noresize=noresize / Cheers, Anat This email and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential information and are intended for the named addressee only. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail immediately. Any confidentiality, privilege or copyright is not waived or lost because this e-mail has been sent to you in error. It is your responsibility to check this e-mail and any attachments for viruses. No warranty is made that this material is free from computer virus or any other defect or error. Any loss/damage incurred by using this material is not the sender's responsibility. The sender's entire liability will be limited to resupplying the material. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** This email and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential information and are intended for the named addressee only. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail immediately. Any confidentiality, privilege or copyright is not waived or lost because this e-mail has been sent to you in error. It is your responsibility to check this e-mail and any attachments for viruses. No warranty is made that this material is free from computer virus or any other defect or error. Any loss/damage incurred by using this material is not the sender's responsibility. The sender's entire liability will be limited to resupplying the material. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
