Re: [WSG] alt tags and image captions

2005-06-07 Thread David Laakso 

On Tue, 07 Jun 2005 00:06:32 -0400, Bert Doorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Just to add to what Alan said...


remember to put spaces between images unless their is

  good reason not to otherwise the following:

img src='hello.png' alt=Hello/img src='world.png' alt=World/
will look like HelloWorld


Perhaps put the space in the alt *attribute* if you get display problems  
with the space.


Also, if you are going to put captions under the photo, I think it's  
perfectly reasonable to use an empty alt attribute.  Doesn't the caption  
take its place anyway?
Or for that matter, Bert-- if you're going to use a caption, why not get  
rid of the photo, too?

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Re: [WSG] alt tags and image captions

2005-06-06 Thread Alan Trick 
Andreas Boehmer wrote:

 ...


Yeah, they will repeat it. If I remember correctly they will read something
like Image Joe Smith, Joe Smith.
  

 ...


Yeah, I've used links on linux a bit lately (while waiting for stuff to
compile) and this is probably one of the most common anoyance. Usually
it looks something like: Joe SmithJoe Smith. There are a lot of images
on the web that would be better of with an empty string for their alt
attributes.

Also remember that images are regularly inline content. People often
style it as display:block, which is fine, but remember to put spaces
between images unless their is good reason not to otherwise the following:

img src='hello.png' alt=Hello/img src='world.png' alt=World/

will look like

HelloWorld

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RE: [WSG] alt tags and image captions

2005-06-04 Thread Damian Sweeney 
 -Original Message-
 From: Hope Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, 4 June 2005 12:40 PM
 To: Web Standards Group
 Subject: [WSG] alt tags and image captions

 Having never seen/heard a screen reader in action, I am
 uncertain about how
 to make some aspects of coding user-friendly for those using
 screen readers.

 If you have got Windows XP or Windows 2000 you should have a screenreader
 (Narrator) installed. In my case I find it under Programs  Accessories 
 Accessiblity  Narrator. It's not as good as Jaws, but probably enough to
 get an idea of how they work.


Another option, especially for those of us not used to hearing web sites,
is the Fangs extension to Firefox. This gives a text version of what Jaws
(the most widely used screen reading software) would say aloud. I find
this a much easier way to deal with developing for screen readers. I have
used a screen reader to test my site and it was difficult.

 Specifically, I find my alt tags are almost always the same
 as my captions.
 For example, if I insert an image of Joe Smith, my code might
 look something
 like this:

 pimg src=images/joe_smith.jpg alt=Joe Smith //p
 p class=photocaptionJoe Smith/p
 Does the screen reader read, Joe Smith Joe Smith?

 Yeah, they will repeat it. If I remember correctly they will read
 something
 like Image Joe Smith, Joe Smith.


Fangs: Graphic Joe Smith Joe Smith

 If so, I
 would have
 thought that this repetition would get very annoying
 especially if there are
 a lot of images on the page.

 I guess it would be a bit repetitive. With an alt tag you generally write
 what can be seen in the image. Joe Smith doesn't really tell me whether
 the image you have is a photo of Joe Smith, Joe Smith the cartoon
 character,
 or a signature of Joe Smith. So to be a bit more specific you would
 probably
 write into the alt tag Photo of Joe Smith. Depending on the purpose of
 the
 photo, you might even have more detail in the alt tag: Photo of Joe Smith
 at the last accounting conference.


This is certainly true for photos. For other images (logos, etc) they
often have another semantic meaning in the page. A corporate logo for
example is often also a link to the home page. In this case I wouldn't use
'my company logo', but rather 'my corporate home page'.

Fangs: Graphic link my corporate home page

If the image adds nothing to the meaning of the page, either put it in
your css as a background-image or include an empty alt tag img alt=

 Hope this helps.


likewise,

Damian

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