Re: [WSG] OT on list
Assistive technology off topic??? On Tue, May 29, 2007 11:52 am, Nick Gleitzman wrote: Hi folks Is it just me. or have a whole slew of recent posts been OT? CMS: there's a CMS list just for you guys. Please use it... Photoshop and JAWS: sorry, Marvin, but that's just OT for this list. Can we get back to the on topic issues of Web Standards, perchance? Check the guidelines - if you you need to preface a post with, This is probably OT, but... then it is. So don't post... Thanks N ___ omnivision. websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Stuart Foulstone. http://www.bigeasyweb.co.uk BigEasy Web Design 69 Flockton Court Rockingham Street Sheffield S1 4EB Tel. 07751 413451 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] OT on list
Assistive Technology is by no means off topic when Web Standards are involved. On 5/29/07, Stuart Foulstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Assistive technology off topic??? On Tue, May 29, 2007 11:52 am, NickGleitzman wrote: Hi folks Is it just me. or have a whole slew of recent posts been OT? CMS: there's a CMS list just for you guys. Please use it... Photoshop and JAWS: sorry, Marvin, but that's just OT for this list. Can we get back to the on topic issues of Web Standards, perchance? Check the guidelines - if you you need to preface a post with, This is probably OT, but... then it is. So don't post... Thanks N ___ omnivision. websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Stuart Foulstone. http://www.bigeasyweb.co.uk BigEasy Web Design 69 Flockton Court Rockingham Street Sheffield S1 4EB Tel. 07751 413451 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] OT on list
Nick Gleitzman wrote: Photoshop and JAWS: sorry, Marvin, but that's just OT for this list. Stuart Foulstone wrote: Assistive technology off topic??? It's worth making the point: Don't get intimidated by this - JAWS is a perfectly legitimate thing to discuss here. Regards, Barney *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] OT on list
Quoting Stuart Foulstone [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Assistive technology off topic??? How to use JAWS to work with Photoshop or similar apps to create/manipulate graphics seems a bit far from web standards, so I'd agree OT. P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Co-lead, Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ Take it to the streets ... join the WaSP Street Team http://streetteam.webstandards.org/ __ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] OT on list
On 29 May 2007, at 15:58:53, Stuart Foulstone wrote: Assistive technology off topic??? Photoshop and JAWS: sorry, Marvin, but that's just OT for this list. Can we get back to the on topic issues of Web Standards, perchance? Use of assistive technology with desktop applications doesn't really have anything to do with Web Standards, surely? Remember, screen readers aren't web browsers... Regards, Nick. -- Nick Fitzsimons http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] OT on list
Jamie Collins wrote: Assistive Technology is by no means off topic when Web Standards are involved. !? and Web Standards and Photoshop intersect exactly where? :-) -- Hassan Schroeder - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-938-0567 === http://webtuitive.com opinion: webtuitive.blogspot.com dream. code. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] OT on list
On 29 May 2007, at 16:20:28, Barney Carroll wrote: It's worth making the point: Don't get intimidated by this - JAWS is a perfectly legitimate thing to discuss here. Only in connection with its use in conjunction with a web browser. Would you argue that a discussion of the use of Jaws with Microsoft Excel (which is, judging by the manufacturer's FAQs, one of its commonest uses) is related to Web Standards? Regards, Nick. -- Nick Fitzsimons http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] OT on list
Nick Fitzsimons wrote: Would you argue that a discussion of the use of Jaws with Microsoft Excel (which is, judging by the manufacturer's FAQs, one of its commonest uses) is related to Web Standards? Only if the .csv was downloaded off the cybercom. A statement in the root post would easily be understood as JAWS is OT for users with no knowledge of whatever topic that was referring to. They shouldn't be put off. But I digress: Let's see how popular we can make this thread. A web standards list about grammar, oblique self-references and wilful misunderstanding, that's what we could all do with. Hehehe. Regards, Barney *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] OT on list
If you read what i said properly you will understand what i said. Do you see the part that says'When Web Standards Are Involved'? I didnt mention photoshop anywere, i said when Web Standards are Involved. So since when does Photoshop mean Web Standards? Because i didn't say that. On 5/29/07, Hassan Schroeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jamie Collins wrote: Assistive Technology is by no means off topic when Web Standards are involved. !? and Web Standards and Photoshop intersect exactly where? :-) -- Hassan Schroeder - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-938-0567 === http://webtuitive.com opinion: webtuitive.blogspot.com dream. code. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] OT on list
Jamie Collins wrote: If you read what i said properly you will understand what i said. If you read the original posting properly... :-) Do you see the part that says'When Web Standards Are Involved'? I didnt mention photoshop anywere, i said when Web Standards are Involved. To quote the OP: now for second semester, will be using photo shop, to manipulate 2 and 3 d objects. now, is there any way to do this accessibly with jaws? -- Hassan Schroeder - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-938-0567 === http://webtuitive.com opinion: webtuitive.blogspot.com dream. code. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] OT on list
I think it would be more useful to try an work out where Marvin is coming from when he mentions those two programs. He's on a web design course and has some awareness of web standards and that it's good to support screen readers. Some of these courses are still teaching 'Save as HTML' and bingo you're done (perhaps with some tweaks), whereas I assume most people on this list have got all the basic concepts down and write all their code by hand and are used to using css to convey design. I'm guessing, and no offence to Marvin at all, that he's getting confused by the minefield of opinions that abound around the topic of web standards and is still working through the basic concepts and principles that we take for granted. I've not read the whole thread but I'm not sure anybody has actually tried to answer his questions. So, Marvin, Photoshop is for creating/editing graphics and sometimes designing a website. You code your website content with HTML, You then use the graphics/design created in photoshop via the CSS to style the HTML. JAWS is then used by some people to read the HTML out. Photoshop has nothing to do with web standards directly and JAWS compatibility is down to the quality of your HTML. That's probably an over simplified explanation but my point is instead of arguing about what's OT at least try and get it onT where possible. We're here to educate aswell as discuss. Rob Jamie Collins wrote: If you read what i said properly you will understand what i said. Do you see the part that says'When Web Standards Are Involved'? I didnt mention photoshop anywere, i said when Web Standards are Involved. So since when does Photoshop mean Web Standards? Because i didn't say that. On 5/29/07, *Hassan Schroeder* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jamie Collins wrote: Assistive Technology is by no means off topic when Web Standards are involved. !? and Web Standards and Photoshop intersect exactly where? :-) -- Hassan Schroeder - [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-938-0567 === http://webtuitive.com opinion: webtuitive.blogspot.com http://webtuitive.blogspot.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] OT on list
The bottom line is, yes its ok to discuss Jaws as long as its related to Web Standards. Obviously photoshop has no relation to Web Standards, so the point of this topic is useless, next time reporting the issue to an Admin may be a better idea :) On 5/29/07, Hassan Schroeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jamie Collins wrote: If you read what i said properly you will understand what i said. If you read the original posting properly... :-) Do you see the part that says'When Web Standards Are Involved'? I didnt mention photoshop anywere, i said when Web Standards are Involved. To quote the OP: now for second semester, will be using photo shop, to manipulate 2 and 3 d objects. now, is there any way to do this accessibly with jaws? -- Hassan Schroeder - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Webtuitive Design === (+1) 408-938-0567 === http://webtuitive.com opinion: webtuitive.blogspot.com dream. code. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] OT on list
On 5/29/07, Hassan Schroeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jamie Collins wrote: If you read what i said properly you will understand what i said. If you read the original posting properly... :-) Wouldn't that make the point and topic of this e-mail off topic? Do you see the part that says'When Web Standards Are Involved'? I didnt mention photoshop anywere, i said when Web Standards are Involved. To quote the OP: now for second semester, will be using photo shop, to manipulate 2 and 3 d objects. now, is there any way to do this accessibly with jaws? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] OT on list
My apologies to the group... I was not aware of the CMS list. Is there a way to have the entire post, http://www.mail-archive.com/wsg@webstandardsgroup.org/msg28689.html ported over to the [WSG-CMS] list? Regards, Kevin. On 5/29/07, Nick Gleitzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks Is it just me. or have a whole slew of recent posts been OT? CMS: there's a CMS list just for you guys. Please use it... Photoshop and JAWS: sorry, Marvin, but that's just OT for this list. Can we get back to the on topic issues of Web Standards, perchance? Check the guidelines - if you you need to preface a post with, This is probably OT, but... then it is. So don't post... Thanks N ___ omnivision. websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] OT on list
Where on the site do you sign up for the CMS List? I am also after support from people in this list. Cheers, Mark From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Ross Sent: 29 May 2007 20:04 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] OT on list My apologies to the group... I was not aware of the CMS list. Is there a way to have the entire post, http://www.mail-archive.com/wsg@webstandardsgroup.org/msg28689.html ported over to the [WSG-CMS] list? Regards, Kevin. On 5/29/07, Nick Gleitzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks Is it just me. or have a whole slew of recent posts been OT? CMS: there's a CMS list just for you guys. Please use it... Photoshop and JAWS: sorry, Marvin, but that's just OT for this list. Can we get back to the on topic issues of Web Standards, perchance? Check the guidelines - if you you need to preface a post with, This is probably OT, but... then it is. So don't post... Thanks N ___ omnivision. websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] OT on list
Nick Fitzsimons schreef: On 29 May 2007, at 16:20:28, Barney Carroll wrote: Would you argue that a discussion of the use of Jaws with Microsoft Excel (which is, judging by the manufacturer's FAQs, one of its commonest uses) is related to Web Standards? No, because MS and Web Standards ar enot related at all ;-) ...oh, sorry... *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] OT on list
Hi Mark, You can sign up for the CMS list by logging into WSG at http://webstandardsgroup.org/manage/login_edit.cfm then set your preferences to Full CMS list or CMS list in digest mode. Regards, Elaine http://www.webdandy.co.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] OT on list
Mark Hedley wrote: Where on the site do you sign up for the CMS List? I am also after support from people in this list. Yeah, the CMS list is hard to find. I signed-up for it when I signed-up for this list... Other than that, I have not found any reference to the CMS list on the net. I would love to see a webpage that talks about the CMS list... It would be a great way to spread the word about the WSG-CMS list. I emailed WSG tech support about this, but have yet to hear back from anyone. :) So, anyone know of a webpage that talks about the WSG-CMS and how one would become a member of that listserv? Thanks! M -- Wishlists: http://snipurl.com/1gqpj Switch: http://browsehappy.com/ BCC?: http://snipurl.com/w6f8 My: http://del.icio.us/mhulse *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] OT on list
Stuart Foulstone wrote: Assistive technology off topic? Barney Carroll wrote: It's worth making the point: Don't get intimidated by this - JAWS is a perfectly legitimate thing to discuss here. When it's used to access Photoshop - which in my experience doesn't have a whole lot to do with Web Standards - yes, it's OT. Just to fill in a small blank for those who don't know: Marvin, who asked the original question, is blind, so the use of JAWS is immensely more relevant to him than it is to we sighted members. But the simple fact remains, that while I hope that Marvin can get the help and advice he needs, this ain't the place to ask. Barney Carroll also wrote: But I digress: Let's see how popular we can make this thread. A web standards list about grammar, oblique self-references and wilful misunderstanding, that's what we could all do with. Hehehe. You guys crack me up. Anyone like to hear what I did on my holidays? N ___ omnivision. websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] OT on list - ADMIN - THREAD CLOSED
Enough with the discussion on off topic on topic. Causing far to much green house gas emissions. Thanks Russ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
