Re: [WSG] Question about use of flash in a pure css page
Hi, Some delicious points in your reply. Can you direct me to a resource on the subjects presented? I attempted reaching you off-list but the e-mail was returned. C On Monday, January 24, 2005, at 01:01 PM, csslist wrote: since you are using a server-side language you can do an if statement to where if it meets the flash needs it gives the flash menu if not gives an alternative menu. or if just refreshing is the problem, cache the swf immediately. ok i think i read that wrong i use coldfusion and i know what i'd do there but even with php why not just make a header page and include it Flash takes a while to load on slow connections. I wouldn't use it due to that fact. whats the difference between a 25k html page(with say animated gifs) and a 25k swf? there really isnt any reason that most swfs shouldnt be very compact anymore, except for poor design Generally flash menu creates problems: - links cannot be opened in new window/tab - u, yeah they can, rather easily too - links cannot be dragged (to bookmarks) - sure they can - no link context-menu, no statusbar information - i believe they now can and unless you create a reasonable alternative: - menu is inacessible to web spiders and screen readers - umm no its not, if done correctly. you should always have a static set of links available anyways (usually at bottom), spyders can read flash when do right as well. Although in this case i dont know why you would want it unless to follow links in which case an alternate means should be there as well or even a simple page of links. image.tiff From: Chris Kennon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 12:26 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Question about use of flash in a pure css page Hi, I'm exciting a burning time, but I adore FLASH, when used correctly. In this instance spare yourself the headache and use an animated GIF solution. This will increase accessibility options and spare you time and energy. On Monday, January 24, 2005, at 07:03 AM, Sven-Eric Buschgens wrote: Hello, I am currently busy/trying to make a pure css website.. Not using tables or frames. The problem that has occured for the menu we are using a flashbased menu. But because the index.php file is only one file which reloads when clicking on something the flash menu also reloads all the time. To see what I am talking about - have a look here : http://www.tripany.com/vdbII/ The thing that I want is that either flash isn't reload on a refresh or loading a new content.. of a way to use flash in this situation where it wont be reloaded all the time. Hope that anyone can help me with this.. else I will have to make the page using frames - which is something I dont want to do [a bit stubborn]. Thnx in advance for the help ! With regards ! Sven ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** CK __ Knowing is not enough, you must apply; willing is not enough, you must do. ---Bruce Lee ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** The true measure of ignorance is thinking intelligence is the solution to everything. -ck Chris Kennon Principal ckimedia (www.ckimedia.com) e-mail: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) blog: (http://thebardwire.blogspot.com/) ph: (619)429-3258 fax: (619)429-3258 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Question about use of flash in a pure css page
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:03:29 +0100, Sven-Eric Buschgens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem that has occured for the menu we are using a flashbased menu. Is removing flash menu altogether an option? It seems that you can do it with simple :hover and animgif or it might be possible to get similar animation in DHTML. Generally flash menu creates problems: - links cannot be opened in new window/tab - links cannot be dragged (to bookmarks) - no link context-menu, no statusbar information and unless you create a reasonable alternative: - your site is useless without flash enabled - menu is inacessible to web spiders and screen readers -- regards, Kornel Lesiski ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Question about use of flash in a pure css page
One thing you may want to provide is an alternative text based menu with /or without flash plug ins enabled. I've never encountered a .swf file not refreshing along with the refresh button. :( - Carmelyne Thompson Sven-Eric Buschgens wrote: Hello, I am currently busy/trying to make a pure css website.. Not using tables or frames. The problem that has occured for the menu we are using a flashbased menu. But because the index.php file is only one file which reloads when clicking on something the flash menu also reloads all the time. To see what I am talking about - have a look here : http://www.tripany.com/vdbII/ The thing that I want is that either flash isn't reload on a refresh or loading a new content.. of a way to use flash in this situation where it wont be reloaded all the time. Hope that anyone can help me with this.. else I will have to make the page using frames - which is something I dont want to do [a bit stubborn]. Thnx in advance for the help ! With regards ! Sven ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Carmelyne Thompson Web Architect/Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.intricately.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Question about use of flash in a pure css page
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:03:29 +0100, Sven-Eric Buschgens wrote: Hello, The thing that I want is that either flash isn't reload on a refresh or loading a new content.. of a way to use flash in this situation where it wont be reloaded all the time. Hope that anyone can help me with this.. else I will have to make the page using frames - which is something I dont want to do [a bit stubborn]. Set up the swf to be passed a variable when buttons are clicked so it will jump to the end of the animation and *appear* not to play every time. - Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist Media Logic mlinc.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Question about use of flash in a pure css page
Flash takes a while to load on slow connections. I wouldn't use it due to that fact. On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:45:26 -0500, Tom Livingston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:03:29 +0100, Sven-Eric Buschgens wrote: Hello, The thing that I want is that either flash isn't reload on a refresh or loading a new content.. of a way to use flash in this situation where it wont be reloaded all the time. Hope that anyone can help me with this.. else I will have to make the page using frames - which is something I dont want to do [a bit stubborn]. Set up the swf to be passed a variable when buttons are clicked so it will jump to the end of the animation and *appear* not to play every time. - Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist Media Logic mlinc.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Anthony Timberlake Owner - StaticHost Internet Services http://www.statichost.co.uk http://www.spikeradio.org ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Question about use of flash in a pure css page
Hi, I'm exciting a burning time, but I adore FLASH, when used correctly. In this instance spare yourself the headache and use an animated GIF solution. This will increase accessibility options and spare you time and energy. On Monday, January 24, 2005, at 07:03 AM, Sven-Eric Buschgens wrote: Hello, I am currently busy/trying to make a pure css website.. Not using tables or frames. The problem that has occured for the menu we are using a flashbased menu. But because the index.php file is only one file which reloads when clicking on something the flash menu also reloads all the time. To see what I am talking about - have a look here : http://www.tripany.com/vdbII/ The thing that I want is that either flash isn't reload on a refresh or loading a new content.. of a way to use flash in this situation where it wont be reloaded all the time. Hope that anyone can help me with this.. else I will have to make the page using frames - which is something I dont want to do [a bit stubborn]. Thnx in advance for the help ! With regards ! Sven ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** CK __ Knowing is not enough, you must apply; willing is not enough, you must do. ---Bruce Lee ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Question about use of flash in a pure css page
since you are using a server-side language you can do an "if" statement to where if it meets the flash needs it gives the flash menu if not gives an alternative menu. or if just refreshing is the problem, cache the swf immediately. ok i think i read that wrong i use coldfusion and i know what i'd do there but even with php why not just make a header page and include it Flash takes a while to load on slow connections. I wouldn't use it due to that fact. whats the difference between a 25k html page(with say animated gifs) and a 25k swf? there really isnt any reason that most swfs shouldnt be very compact anymore, except for poor design Generally flash menu creates problems: - links cannot be opened in new window/tab - u, yeah they can, rather easily too - links cannot be dragged (to bookmarks) - sure they can - no link context-menu, no statusbar information - i believe they now can and unless you create a reasonable alternative: - menu is inacessible to web spiders and screen readers - umm no its not, if done correctly. you should always have a static set of links available anyways (usually at bottom), spyders can read flash when do right as well. Although in this case i dont know why you would want it unless to follow links in which case an alternate means should be there as well or even a simple page of links. From: Chris Kennon [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 12:26 PMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: Re: [WSG] Question about use of flash in a pure css pageHi,I'm exciting a "burning time", but I adore FLASH, when used correctly. In this instance spare yourself the headache and use an animated GIF solution. This will increase accessibility options and spare you time and energy.On Monday, January 24, 2005, at 07:03 AM, Sven-Eric Buschgens wrote: Hello, I am currently busy/trying to make a pure css website.. Not using tables or frames. The problem that has occured for the menu we are using a flashbased menu. But because the index.php file is only one file which reloads when clicking on something the flash menu also reloads all the time. To see what I am talking about - have a look here : http://www.tripany.com/vdbII/ The thing that I want is that either flash isn't reload on a refresh or loading a new content.. of a way to use flash in this situation where it wont be reloaded all the time. Hope that anyone can help me with this.. else I will have to make the page using frames - which is something I dont want to do [a bit stubborn]. Thnx in advance for the help ! With regards ! Sven ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **CK__"Knowing is not enough, you must apply;willing is not enough, you must do." ---Bruce Lee**The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help**
