Re: [WSG] accessible drill-down into a nested list
At 11:26 PM 2/11/2006, Terrence Wood wrote: the page reloads with a set of breadcrumbs that spells out the history Essentially you are repeating information already available through the browser history, and it still doesn't inform the user that there is a new menu if that is your goal. Also, breadcrumbs are most commonly links to parent directories in the site hierarchy, so there may be some issues here - you might need to test it with real users. Perhaps I shouldn't have used the standardized term breadcrumbs. What I meant was a sequential list of nested menu selections, NOT necessarily the same as the browser history. For example, while drilling down in a nested menu I might digress to a side-page then continue drilling down. The menu breadcrumbs I'm suggesting would not reflect that horizontal digression but only the vertical descent in order to convey the user's position in the nested menu structure. I recommend reading Hudson, Weakley and Miller's work on source order and structural labels: http://www.usability.com.au/resources/source-order.cfm Thanks, Terrence. Paul ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Target sued over non-accessible site
Just a quick note: Here in Brazil, some of the big cities have more than 10% of their buses adapted to wheelchairs. it's not that hard. See? it's always an excuse because they will spend money with people who will not pay that bill. spark On 2/12/06, Nic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To draw a paralel with a physical access issue, in the US, in the 60's, african americans wanted to get to ride at the front of the bus. In 2005, people with disabilities can't even get ON the bus. But transit companies can throw all kind of excuses at people with disabilities and reasons why they can't make their system accessible. If they refused access to their bus to someone who's black, because he's black, or a mother with a child, because she has a child, we'd see that as the discrimination it is. Discrimination is discrimination, no matter what excuses you wrap around it. -- [web] http://synapsisdi.com.br [livesets] http://djspark.com.br ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] semantic help needed
I have to semantically mark up large lists of contact info. Below is an example of one of the list items. Is this the best way to mark it up? dl dt class=HeadAccord Inishowendt dtContact Name:/dt ddSecretary: Breege Canny dd dtContact Informationdt dd Tel: 074 937 4103 - 07493 74103/dd dd Fax: 074 9374103/dd ddWeb Site: Click to view./dd dd Email: Send Email../dd /dl -thanks kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] semantic help needed
Either that way or with a table. I'd go with that way.There was a discussion about this exactly same topic not so long ago on the list.I'd try to find it, was alot of good opinions and suggestions as to what would be the most semantically way to do it. VincentOn 2/12/06, kvnmcwebn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to semantically mark up large lists of contact info.Below is an example of one of the list items.Is this the best way to mark it up?dldt class=HeadAccord Inishowendt dtContact Name:/dtddSecretary: Breege Canny dddtContact Informationdt dd Tel: 074 937 4103 - 07493 74103/dd dd Fax: 074 9374103/dd ddWeb Site: Click to view./dd dd Email: Send Email../dd/dl-thankskvnmcwebn**The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Target sued over non-accessible site
and they just fized that 'one' problem on target.com http://www.webstandards.org/buzz/archive/2006_02.html#a000605 overnight. a few hours. spark On 2/12/06, Spark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a quick note: Here in Brazil, some of the big cities have more than 10% of their buses adapted to wheelchairs. it's not that hard. See? it's always an excuse because they will spend money with people who will not pay that bill. spark On 2/12/06, Nic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To draw a paralel with a physical access issue, in the US, in the 60's, african americans wanted to get to ride at the front of the bus. In 2005, people with disabilities can't even get ON the bus. But transit companies can throw all kind of excuses at people with disabilities and reasons why they can't make their system accessible. If they refused access to their bus to someone who's black, because he's black, or a mother with a child, because she has a child, we'd see that as the discrimination it is. Discrimination is discrimination, no matter what excuses you wrap around it. -- [web] http://synapsisdi.com.br [livesets] http://djspark.com.br ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- [web] http://synapsisdi.com.br [livesets] http://djspark.com.br ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] semantic help needed
At 01:49 AM 2/12/2006, kvnmcwebn wrote: I have to semantically mark up large lists of contact info. Below is an example of one of the list items. Is this the best way to mark it up? dl dt class=HeadAccord Inishowendt dtContact Name:/dt ddSecretary: Breege Canny dd dtContact Informationdt dd Tel: 074 937 4103 - 07493 74103/dd dd Fax: 074 9374103/dd ddWeb Site: Click to view./dd dd Email: Send Email../dd /dl kvn, I think your initial DT element is widowed and needs at least one DD before the next DT because it functions as the title for the entire subsequent structure. This looks like two-level nesting to me, and I'd tend to mark it up like this: dl dt class=HeadAccord Inishowendt dd dl dtContact Name:/dt ddSecretary: Breege Canny/dd dtContact Information/dt dd Tel: 074 937 4103 - 07493 74103/dd dd Fax: 074 9374103/dd ddWeb Site: Click to view./dd dd Email: Send Email../dd /dl /dd /dl The definition term is Accord Inishowen and its corresponding definition is the contact block. The contact block consists of two terms: Contact Name with its one definition and Contact Information with its four definitions. As I read them, neither the W3C HTML 4.01 spec [see link in footnote 1 below] nor the XHTML-Strict DTD [footnote 2 below] dictates that at least one DD must follow a DT, nor that two consecutive DTs must be alternates to one another. I'm making assumptions based on their examples. In their examples, the DT element is repeated when there are variant spellings of the definition term, which metaphorically I interpret as meaning when there are variant forms of the object. Here's their example: DL DTCenter DTCentre DD A point equidistant from all points on the surface of a sphere. DD In some field sports, the player who holds the middle position on the field, court, or forward line. /DL Two definition terms providing variant forms of the object, and two definition descriptions giving variant definitions of the object. Considering the W3C's examples and the semantic sense of your contact info structure, I'd argue for a two-level nested list. Paul _ [footnote 1] HTML 4.01 Specification 10.3 Definition lists: the DL, DT, and DD elements http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/lists.html#h-10.3 [footnote 2] W3C Document Type Definition (DTD) for XHTML 1.0 Strict http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] semantic help needed
Paul- I think your initial DT element is widowed and needs at least one DD before the next DT because it functions as the title for the entire subsequent structure. This looks like two-level nesting to me, and I'd tend to mark it up like this: kvn- I think you hit the nail on the head, i knew that there a better way to relate the top term with the subsequent content, i even though about using an h for a second. in this structure from the w3c i dont think theres any hierarhcy for the first dt? DL DTCenter DTCentre DD A point equidistant from all points on the surface of a sphere. DD In some field sports, the player who holds the middle position on the field, court, or forward line. /DL thanks a mill kvn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] semantic help needed
At 03:30 AM 2/12/2006, kvnmcwebn wrote: in this structure from the w3c i dont think theres any hierarhcy for the first dt? DL DTCenter DTCentre DD A point equidistant from all points on the surface of a sphere. DD In some field sports, the player who holds the middle position on the field, court, or forward line. /DL Right, I don't see a unique hierarchy for the first DT, I see the first two DTs acting together as one complex DT, just as the two DDs form a single complex DD. P. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Target sued over non-accessible site
some of the big cities have more than 10% of their buses adapted to wheelchairs. Well, that's a good *start*... But... It's still discrimination. How would *you* like being told that you can only take one in ten buses? Here's a bit more about this particular issue http://teriadams.blogspot.com/2006/01/railroaded.html But this is getting somewhat away from the topic of origin. Again, perhaps those of us interested in this debate should take it off list? Nic ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
