Re: [WSG] Chrome now higher traffic than IE
Hi It is the State Library of WA. Looking further into our stats, over one third of our visitors come from the 80 public access machines around the building, which accounts for the heavy bias of IE7 on windows. Making these stats unrepresentative, sorry I did not expect that many when I start using them. An equal number are from within WA, with a large number of visitors from the education (schools and universities) and government sectors as well as local libraries. The remaining 30% are evenly split between the rest of Australia and the rest of the world. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Javascript Accessibility
As someone who's on the working group producing ARIA, I have to say the editors have done a pretty remarkable job in terms of documenting a specification that hasn't even advanced past Working Draft. First, there's the spec itself: http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria/ Then there's the User Agent Implementation Guide, for browser developers to follow: http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-implementation/ And the Best Practices Guide, for authors: http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-practices/ In addition, Steve Faulkner, also in the PFWG, has done lots of writing on the subject: http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/?cat=23 And Universal Design for Web Applications, the book I co-wrote with Wendy Chisholm, has a more basic introductory chapter on ARIA. The point is, it may not all have a W3C banner at the top, but generally speaking, W3C is more responsible for being complete and precise, than being prosaic. I expect that the Web Standards Curriculum is most likely to have author-friendly material on ARIA, and that's only when the spec is stable enough for general consumption. - m On 3/1/09 6:32 AM, David Dixon da...@terrainferno.net wrote: although the WAI ARIA team (as with the W3C in general) need to start producing more palatable documentation rather than just having huge technical manuals on the subject. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] The notion of accessibility [was: Javascript Accessibility]
HI Mathew So now a slight rant... I dont understand how: span role=aria-checkbox is better than: input type=checkbox ... ? 3 points 1. The ARIA spec recommends the use of native semantics where ever possible: Use native markup when possible. Use the semantic elements that are defined in the host markup language. For example, with HTML or XHTML, it is better to use the native checkbox than to use a div element with role checkbox as these should already be accessible through your browser. There may also be cases where ARIA can augment an existing element in the host language. For example, a grid and gridcell elements can reuse the functionality of a table when overlaying it. ARIA roles, states, and properties are best used when the markup language does not support all the semantics required. When a role attribute is added to an element, the semantics and behavior of the element are augmented or overridden by the role behavior. [1] 2. WAI-ARIA is not just for HTML, it is designed to be used with other languages such as XUL and SVG. SVG does not contain any native markup for controls, so this is a case where the ARIA roles for controls can be useful. 3. If a developer wants a tri-state checkbox in HTML it may be appropriate to use input type=image role=aria-checkbox aria-checked=mixed ... example: http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/misc/ARIA/tristatecheck.html [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria/#buildingaccessibleapplications regards stevef 2009/3/2 Mathew Robertson mat...@optusnet.com.au: On 3/2/09 2:02 AM, Mathew Robertson mat...@optusnet.com.au wrote: Its been possible to do ARIA style accessibility since about 1995 - its just now that people are starting to care. Matt Morgan-May matt...@adobe.com wrote: Not sure what value you were hoping to add to the conversation, but MSAA, the Windows accessibility API, didn't come out until April 1997. And that much of what ARIA has to offer is actually enabled by the IAccessible2 or User Interface Automation APIs, which are much more recent and comprehensive. ARIA is a very ambitious spec, and a number of companies contributing to its support in a very short period of time, relative to the work that's necessary. But, thanks for the cynicism! We don't get enough of that on the Internet these days. :) :) It was definitly meant as a little cynisism... I did say about 1995 - so I should have been more specific as to the actual year... so I'll expand my sentiment (it might be a little long-winded for some people...). Firstly, accessibilty is not *just* about being able to keystrokes, as its been possible to use braille devices in linux before 1995 (aka Win95 came out that year), using a serial console. Its not just about supporting disability, it also represents support for other languages, layouts, and so on. Indeed as someone quite bright wrote (I dont have a link), making applications more accessible, helps not only those that specifically need that extra help, but also those that simply make use of those features. For example: to using a serial console for text display, has been available since the first mainframes existed - so braille devices worked too. One would expect that new user interface paradigms could provide at least a similar equivalent - in browser terms, it should have been possible to navigate with keyboard and screen-reader only, and it was (albeit it was quite clunky). So one variation of accesbility, is to support multiple languages. Its easy to look back with hindsight, but it was pretty apparent that UTF8 and Unicode was the direction for accessible language support. This was available from about 1993 - the real issue here appers that software vendors chose a different path (eg: Java choosing to use double-byte characters), then became committed to it. And indeed we now see that braille support has been added to Unicode, abeit only recently - imagine the accessibility support that would currently be available, if Win95 had have support unicode natively (font rendering and keycode composition) from day dot... alt tags have been available since html 1, with its recommended practise to show blank for img's that dont mean anything. longdesc has been available since html 4 (1998). Using the tab-key to navigate between elements, has been available in pretty much all browsers, for a long time - however it was cumbersome. However, from MSIE 4 (1997), tabindex became available (it took some time longer before Netscape had support for tabindex) - this made it possible to produce decent navigation for web pages. Text language and direction was added in html 4 - making Hebrew (et. al.) accessible. Finally, the keypress event handler has be around in various incarnations, not long afer Javascript was added to browsers. Its not unreasonable to require web developers to acutally use it (as opposed to just relying on click
RE: [WSG] Chrome now higher traffic than IE
In my case, the sample is fairly small, and I never suggested it was representative of the internet as a whole. The bigger of the two sites I've used is a radio station. It has 54,000 user sessions in that set of stats. All I was saying is it's the first time I've seen IE as not the top browser. (one swallow does not a summer make!) It's clear from this discussion that the numbers are all over the place. There are people at the radio station who try to tell me that the world is going mac and we ought to be replacing our network to macs. I say these stats don't support that, at least in our case, and whether or not we should replace our network to macs needs to be for a reason other than 'that's what everyone else is using'! (which was never a good reason in the first place!) There were those who were saying not all that long ago that IE was a gonner, and we'd all best pay attention to Opera. Then along came Firefox, now I'd suggest it's anyone's race and the main contenders are IE, Firefox, Chrome and all the others together add up to a long way behind. The significance for us as web developers is that all this competition is tending towards standardisation. If things had been different, it could easily have gone along the lines of our browser is better because it has all these proprietary commands it understands. Remember how it was in the days when Netscape and IE were the only ones on the block? They would each try to outdo each other with new features they were developing and the whole idea of standardisation was a pipe dream. We had to develop a IE version and a Netscape version of our sites. Now, the browsers are righting with each other to be more standard than the others. THAT makes life a LOT easier for us! As long as no one has any overpowering majority, they all have to pay attention to each other. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia 0422 985 585 Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks Pty Ltd http://afpwebworks.com Full Scale ColdFusion hosting from A$15/month -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Al Sparber Sent: Tuesday, 3 March 2009 4:23 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Chrome now higher traffic than IE From: Nick Cowie cowie.n...@gmail.com OK here are some other interesting stats from another major library site, IE7 rules and Chrome is 0.5% Browser Website IE7/IE6 Internet Explorer 86.88% (80/20) Firefox 9.29% Safari 2.17% Chrome0.47% Opera 0.27% Fascinating. Can you provide some demographic context to this library site? -- Al Sparber - PVII http://www.projectseven.com Dreamweaver Menus | Galleries | Widgets http://www.projectseven.com/go/pop The Ultimate DW Menu System *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Chrome now higher traffic than IE
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Mike Kear w...@afpwebworks.com wrote: In my case, the sample is fairly small, and I never suggested it was representative of the internet as a whole. The bigger of the two sites I've used is a radio station. It has 54,000 user sessions in that set of stats. More stats (30m visits over a month, demographic of pretty much everyone): IE7 - 52% IE6 - 23% FF3 - 17% Safari - 3% FF2 - 2.5% Chrome - 0.8% Opera - 0.5% - Matthew *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Chrome now higher traffic than IE
You don't by any chance use chrome yourself while you're developing? I noticed that I mainly use Firefox and I had to stop going back to the site after it was built to allow the data / statistics to clean themselves of my bias. William Donovan mobile: 0403 263 284 2009/3/3 Mike Kear w...@afpwebworks.com In my case, the sample is fairly small, and I never suggested it was representative of the internet as a whole. The bigger of the two sites I've used is a radio station. It has 54,000 user sessions in that set of stats. All I was saying is it's the first time I've seen IE as not the top browser. (one swallow does not a summer make!) It's clear from this discussion that the numbers are all over the place. There are people at the radio station who try to tell me that the world is going mac and we ought to be replacing our network to macs. I say these stats don't support that, at least in our case, and whether or not we should replace our network to macs needs to be for a reason other than 'that's what everyone else is using'! (which was never a good reason in the first place!) There were those who were saying not all that long ago that IE was a gonner, and we'd all best pay attention to Opera. Then along came Firefox, now I'd suggest it's anyone's race and the main contenders are IE, Firefox, Chrome and all the others together add up to a long way behind. The significance for us as web developers is that all this competition is tending towards standardisation. If things had been different, it could easily have gone along the lines of our browser is better because it has all these proprietary commands it understands. Remember how it was in the days when Netscape and IE were the only ones on the block? They would each try to outdo each other with new features they were developing and the whole idea of standardisation was a pipe dream. We had to develop a IE version and a Netscape version of our sites. Now, the browsers are righting with each other to be more standard than the others. THAT makes life a LOT easier for us! As long as no one has any overpowering majority, they all have to pay attention to each other. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia 0422 985 585 Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks Pty Ltd http://afpwebworks.com Full Scale ColdFusion hosting from A$15/month -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Al Sparber Sent: Tuesday, 3 March 2009 4:23 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Chrome now higher traffic than IE From: Nick Cowie cowie.n...@gmail.com OK here are some other interesting stats from another major library site, IE7 rules and Chrome is 0.5% Browser Website IE7/IE6 Internet Explorer 86.88% (80/20) Firefox 9.29% Safari 2.17% Chrome0.47% Opera 0.27% Fascinating. Can you provide some demographic context to this library site? -- Al Sparber - PVII http://www.projectseven.com Dreamweaver Menus | Galleries | Widgets http://www.projectseven.com/go/pop The Ultimate DW Menu System *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Chrome now higher traffic than IE
Tesco's (a major UK online retailer) stats concur with Matt's results within 1%. mike From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Matthew Pennell Sent: 03 March 2009 11:52 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Chrome now higher traffic than IE On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Mike Kear w...@afpwebworks.commailto:w...@afpwebworks.com wrote: In my case, the sample is fairly small, and I never suggested it was representative of the internet as a whole. The bigger of the two sites I've used is a radio station. It has 54,000 user sessions in that set of stats. More stats (30m visits over a month, demographic of pretty much everyone): IE7 - 52% IE6 - 23% FF3 - 17% Safari - 3% FF2 - 2.5% Chrome - 0.8% Opera - 0.5% - Matthew *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** This is a confidential email. Tesco may monitor and record all emails. The views expressed in this email are those of the sender and not Tesco. Tesco Stores Limited Company Number: 519500 Registered in England Registered Office: Tesco House, Delamare Road, Cheshunt, Hertfordshire EN8 9SL VAT Registration Number: GB 220 4302 31 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Accessible popup help
Hi there, We have hidden divs (popup help) on a page that are shown either by onClick or onMouseOver. When the div is shown, Jaws will not read the contents, any ideas on how to get it to work without users having to disable JS? Also does anyone have any good examples of pop up help? Thanks - Bank of Scotland plc, Registered in Scotland Number SC327000 Registered office: The Mound, Edinburgh EH1 1YZ. Authorised and regulated by Financial Services Authority. == *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Chrome now higher traffic than IE
I use a couple of sources but here are my best 2: This one uses 6 different sources to build it's list http://www.upsdell.com/BrowserNews/stat.htm And W3C Schools: http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp Lets not forget thought that Mike is sampling his site. Like the W3C Schools site, they receive a particular type of user, as would other sites. William Donovan mobile: 0403 263 284 2009/3/3 Foskett, Mike mike.fosk...@uk.tesco.com Tesco’s (a major UK online retailer) stats concur with Matt’s results within 1%. mike *From:* li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] *On Behalf Of *Matthew Pennell *Sent:* 03 March 2009 11:52 *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org *Subject:* Re: [WSG] Chrome now higher traffic than IE On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Mike Kear w...@afpwebworks.com wrote: In my case, the sample is fairly small, and I never suggested it was representative of the internet as a whole. The bigger of the two sites I've used is a radio station. It has 54,000 user sessions in that set of stats. More stats (30m visits over a month, demographic of pretty much everyone): IE7 - 52% IE6 - 23% FF3 - 17% Safari - 3% FF2 - 2.5% Chrome - 0.8% Opera - 0.5% - Matthew *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** -- This is a confidential email. Tesco may monitor and record all emails. The views expressed in this email are those of the sender and not Tesco. Tesco Stores Limited Company Number: 519500 Registered in England Registered Office: Tesco House, Delamare Road, Cheshunt, Hertfordshire EN8 9SL VAT Registration Number: GB 220 4302 31 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Accessible popup help
Hi Clare, Please see if this, or any part of it will be of help: http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/accessible-context-sensitive-help-with-u/ There are two formats described with working examples and code samples. Hope this may be of help. Med vennlig hilsen / Kind regards, Frank M. Palinkas Technical Writer, Opera Software http://dev.opera.com/articles/accessibility/ On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:21 PM, clarele...@halifax.co.uk wrote: Hi there, We have hidden divs (popup help) on a page that are shown either by onClick or onMouseOver. When the div is shown, Jaws will not read the contents, any ideas on how to get it to work without users having to disable JS? Also does anyone have any good examples of pop up help? Thanks - Bank of Scotland plc, Registered in Scotland Number SC327000 Registered office: The Mound, Edinburgh EH1 1YZ. Authorised and regulated by Financial Services Authority. == *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Chrome now higher traffic than IE
That is fine with me. I always test it with new designs along with IE5.5 6 7, Opera, Firefox ans Safari. I have to do all of these tests on Ms Vista although I would love to one day have a Mac as well. Sent from my Centro Wireless Device. -Original Message- From: Mike Kear w...@afpwebworks.com Subj: [WSG] Chrome now higher traffic than IE Date: Mon Mar 2, 2009 8:29 pm Size: 8K To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Re: [WSG] Out of Office AutoReply: WSG Digest For the first time since I started building web sites, IE is not the most prominent server on my two highest traffic sites. Google Chrome now amounts to over half the traffic on these sites. Not sure what that means for us as web developers, but it would certainly be significant for Microsoft people if it was translated across the web. Of course other sites will have a different pattern, depending on the audience. On these two sites, the breakdown is like this: Unknown: 1.86% IE: 38.85% Bots,Spiders: 1.47% Firefox: 4.91% Google Chrome: 51.35% Opera: 0.72% Safari: 0.46% Netscape: 0.22% Other: 0.15% - Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia 0422 985 585 Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks Pty Ltd http://afpwebworks.com Full Scale ColdFusion hosting from A$15/month ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org*** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Accessible popup help
Take a look at this method: http://websemantics.co.uk/resources/accessible_ajax_glossary/ An AJAX method which embeds the help into the page upon demand. Alternatively: http://direct.tesco.com/homepage/furniture.aspx Click on Spare parts or Customer services. With JS you get a pop-up, without you get an anchor link. Works with keyboard-only too. Mike Foskett http://websemantics.co.uk/ From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of clarele...@halifax.co.uk Sent: 03 March 2009 12:21 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Accessible popup help Hi there, We have hidden divs (popup help) on a page that are shown either by onClick or onMouseOver. When the div is shown, Jaws will not read the contents, any ideas on how to get it to work without users having to disable JS? Also does anyone have any good examples of pop up help? Thanks - Bank of Scotland plc, Registered in Scotland Number SC327000 Registered office: The Mound, Edinburgh EH1 1YZ. Authorised and regulated by Financial Services Authority. == *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** This is a confidential email. Tesco may monitor and record all emails. The views expressed in this email are those of the sender and not Tesco. Tesco Stores Limited Company Number: 519500 Registered in England Registered Office: Tesco House, Delamare Road, Cheshunt, Hertfordshire EN8 9SL VAT Registration Number: GB 220 4302 31 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Chrome now higher traffic than IE
Enough people have told me their figures are completely different to mine, but I don't much care about that. The point is the same - while IE is no longer the towering majority in the web browser wars, we have a fighting chance of bringing sanity to browsers. If IE7 became the 80%-90% browser like IE5 once was, then at Microsoft they'll be starting to say once more we don't have to care about standards - we ARE the standard and everyone else will have to match what we do! Thankfully, Firefox and Chrome are going to ensure Microsoft doesn't get into that position again. TO answer your specific question, William, yes I use Chrome myself while I'm developing but i hardly ever browse the site. I usually browse the development version of this site while I'm working on it, and only ever go to the production version of the site to check a page I've just uploaded is the same as on my dev machine. So my own browsing is not significant in those numbers. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia 0422 985 585 Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks Pty Ltd http://afpwebworks.com http://afpwebworks.com Full Scale ColdFusion hosting from A$15/month From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of William Donovan Sent: Tuesday, 3 March 2009 10:54 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Chrome now higher traffic than IE You don't by any chance use chrome yourself while you're developing? I noticed that I mainly use Firefox and I had to stop going back to the site after it was built to allow the data / statistics to clean themselves of my bias. William Donovan mobile: 0403 263 284 2009/3/3 Mike Kear w...@afpwebworks.com In my case, the sample is fairly small, and I never suggested it was representative of the internet as a whole. The bigger of the two sites I've used is a radio station. It has 54,000 user sessions in that set of stats. All I was saying is it's the first time I've seen IE as not the top browser. (one swallow does not a summer make!) It's clear from this discussion that the numbers are all over the place. There are people at the radio station who try to tell me that the world is going mac and we ought to be replacing our network to macs. I say these stats don't support that, at least in our case, and whether or not we should replace our network to macs needs to be for a reason other than 'that's what everyone else is using'! (which was never a good reason in the first place!) There were those who were saying not all that long ago that IE was a gonner, and we'd all best pay attention to Opera. Then along came Firefox, now I'd suggest it's anyone's race and the main contenders are IE, Firefox, Chrome and all the others together add up to a long way behind. The significance for us as web developers is that all this competition is tending towards standardisation. If things had been different, it could easily have gone along the lines of our browser is better because it has all these proprietary commands it understands. Remember how it was in the days when Netscape and IE were the only ones on the block? They would each try to outdo each other with new features they were developing and the whole idea of standardisation was a pipe dream. We had to develop a IE version and a Netscape version of our sites. Now, the browsers are righting with each other to be more standard than the others. THAT makes life a LOT easier for us! As long as no one has any overpowering majority, they all have to pay attention to each other. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia 0422 985 585 Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks Pty Ltd http://afpwebworks.com Full Scale ColdFusion hosting from A$15/month -Original Message- From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Al Sparber Sent: Tuesday, 3 March 2009 4:23 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Chrome now higher traffic than IE From: Nick Cowie cowie.n...@gmail.com OK here are some other interesting stats from another major library site, IE7 rules and Chrome is 0.5% Browser Website IE7/IE6 Internet Explorer 86.88% (80/20) Firefox 9.29% Safari 2.17% Chrome0.47% Opera 0.27% Fascinating. Can you provide some demographic context to this library site? -- Al Sparber - PVII http://www.projectseven.com Dreamweaver Menus | Galleries | Widgets http://www.projectseven.com/go/pop The Ultimate DW Menu System *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Chrome now higher traffic than IE
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 11:53 AM, William Donovan donovan.will...@gmail.comwrote: You don't by any chance use chrome yourself while you're developing? I noticed that I mainly use Firefox and I had to stop going back to the site after it was built to allow the data / statistics to clean themselves of my bias. You can (and should) filter out your own visits by IP address within Analytics reports. - Matthew *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
RE: [WSG] Chrome now higher traffic than IE
As I said I hardly ever browse the production site. It's hardly worth the effort.Out of the 54,000 page views in the figures I was quoting earlier, my own browsing would account for maybe 50 . Hardly more than that - I do my development off line using my own dev server, then only check a page looks like it's supposed to after I upload it. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia 0422 985 585 Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks Pty Ltd http://afpwebworks.com http://afpwebworks.com Full Scale ColdFusion hosting from A$15/month From: li...@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:li...@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Matthew Pennell Sent: Wednesday, 4 March 2009 12:36 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Chrome now higher traffic than IE On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 11:53 AM, William Donovan donovan.will...@gmail.com wrote: You don't by any chance use chrome yourself while you're developing? I noticed that I mainly use Firefox and I had to stop going back to the site after it was built to allow the data / statistics to clean themselves of my bias. You can (and should) filter out your own visits by IP address within Analytics reports. - Matthew *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Chrome now higher traffic than IE
From: Nick Cowie cowie.n...@gmail.com Hi It is the State Library of WA. Looking further into our stats, over one third of our visitors come from the 80 public access machines around the building, which accounts for the heavy bias of IE7 on windows. Making these stats unrepresentative, sorry I did not expect that many when I start using them. An equal number are from within WA, with a large number of visitors from the education (schools and universities) and government sectors as well as local libraries. The remaining 30% are evenly split between the rest of Australia and the rest of the world. Thanks, Nick. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
Re: [WSG] Accessible popup help
Here¹s a couple (well, 3) links to creating accessible popups to check out: http://meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/popups/demo2.html The ever-popular Lightbox - http://www.lokeshdhakar.com/projects/lightbox2/ And from Accessify - http://accessify.com/features/tutorials/the-perfect-popup/ Cheers susie On 3/03/09 10:21 PM, clarele...@halifax.co.uk clarele...@halifax.co.uk wrote: Hi there, We have hidden divs (popup help) on a page that are shown either by onClick or onMouseOver. When the div is shown, Jaws will not read the contents, any ideas on how to get it to work without users having to disable JS? Also does anyone have any good examples of pop up help? Thanks -- --- Bank of Scotland plc, Registered in Scotland Number SC327000 Registered office: The Mound, Edinburgh EH1 1YZ. Authorised and regulated by Financial Services Authority. == *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Re: WSG Digest
I am currently out of the office running a training course returning the morning of the 04/03/2009. For technical assitance please contact Anthony Johnston - anthony.johns...@spotlessdesign.com I will have limited access to email but will try to respond to your enquiry. If your enquiry is urgent then please contact me on my mobile. Kind regards Ben Logan Director Spotless Design http://www.spotlessdesign.com Tel: +44 (0) 207 168 7526 Fax: +44 (0) 207 681 4375 Mob: +44 (0) 7971 002292 Linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/spotlessdesign Twitter: http://twitter.com/DJBenLogan *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
