Re: [wsjt-devel] VFO's and sub-VFO's
Bill, Yes I have seen that, and have set the polling timing in Commander to compensate. Once set , I have had no further issues in the last 6 months with this setup. Also CAT is not used for Ptt, the standard comport is dedicated to that via RTS, so keying is not affected by VSPE. RTS needs to be disabled in VSPE source comport properties and CAT RTS turned off on TCXR for it to work properly without issue. I don't consider stating method for tracking the TX frequency in SUB VFO 'off topic'. We are talking about vfo's ? It may help someone that experiences a swr standby switch fault with this type of setup. Ok on VFO names, yes SUB VFO takes the place of VFO B, and I should not refer to VFO B again regarding the FTDX101. vk4tux On 5/4/21 7:49 am, Bill Somerville wrote: Adrian, you are correct about the SUB VFO on those sort of Yaesu rigs, my prior statement: "Other rigs have MAIN and SUB receivers which are also used for SPLIT mode. These rigs usually (always?) cannot transmit using SUB unless in SPLIT or full-duplex mode." covers those. I should have said: "I suppose MAIN and SUB means two independent receivers, whereas VFO A and VFO B are just software concepts mapped onto a single receiver. Transmit in SUB only happens in full-duplex satellite modes or SPLIT mode, otherwise SUB is only a second receiver." SUB should not be called VFO B, that is not correct and will confuse users. As for your other off topic comments: VSPE in splitter mode is categorically not supported by either WSJT-X or DX Lab Suite Commander. Don't do that! Commander has support for sending tracking CAT commands to a second device like your SPE amp using its secondary CAT device capability. Using VSPE in port splitting mode will inevitably lead to CAT command collisions that could potentially damage equipment, and I will pre-empt your probable comment that it has never happened to you with the response "It hasn't yet". 73 Bill G4WJS. On 04/04/2021 22:36, Adrian wrote: With RIG Split the FTDX101MP always use's SUB VFO for TX, and it is easily selected for TX for other TXCR use besides wsjtx. "Transmit in SUB only happens in full-duplex satellite modes, otherwise SUB is only a second receiver." is not true for the FTDX101 at least. SUB is designed to do all TXing when offsets are used. This is why I use commander software to allow the PC cat connected SPE amp to CAT read the SUB VFO frequency, as it needs to monitor TX frequency to set SPE ATU as needed before keyup. VSPE splitter allows wsjtx and commander to share the enhanced comport source CAT virtual port with room for another 2 programs to share (4 total). One receiver VFO can be assigned a A and B VFO profiles switchable and for split operation, whereas with two independent receivers, Main and SUB, the SUB VFO is assigned the VFO B job, but retains its SUB VFO name, but it could also be called VFO B. vk4tux On 5/4/21 2:31 am, Bill Somerville wrote: On 04/04/2021 17:19, Claude Frantz wrote: On 4/4/21 3:18 PM, Black Michael via wsjt-devel wrote: Hi Mike and all, You find "VFOs.txt" in the main hamlib directory that tries to describe the abstraction.The differences are rig-dependent along with rig mode. It was exactly the contents of this file which has triggered my question. Life isn't simple:-) Oh yes ! You are right. But my question remains open: What is the difference between a VFOx and a subVFO ? Is it simply a matter of definition or is there a difference in the function too ? Claude (DJ0OT) Hi Claude, some rigs like the IC-910 and IC-9700 have two separate receivers MAIN and SUB, each have a VFO A and VFO B (used for SPLIT mode for example). They also use SUB as a pseudo VFO B when used in full-duplex mode for satellite operation. Other rigs have MAIN and SUB receivers which are also used for SPLIT mode. These rigs usually (always?) cannot transmit using SUB unless in SPLIT or full-duplex mode. VFO A and VFO B where present are mostly indistinguishable, although there are exceptions to this as some rigs only transmit on VFO B and that is only when in SPLIT mode, i.e. they have no VFO B receive capability. I suppose MAIN and SUB means two independent receivers, whereas VFO A and VFO B are just software concepts mapped onto a single receiver. Transmit in SUB only happens in full-duplex satellite modes, otherwise SUB is only a second receiver. MAIN and SUB can usually be exchanged just like VFO A and VFO B can. 73 Bill G4WJS. ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] VFO's and sub-VFO's
On 4/4/21 at 12:31 PM, g4...@classdesign.com (Bill Somerville) wrote: I suppose MAIN and SUB means two independent receivers, whereas VFO A and VFO B are just software concepts mapped onto a single receiver. Transmit in SUB only happens in full-duplex satellite modes, otherwise SUB is only a second receiver. In the Elecraft K3, MAIN and SUB are two frequencies, with MAIN used for receive and SUB used for split transmit. If there is a sub-receiver (identical in function to the main receiver), installed, then you can monitor the split transmit frequency in one ear while listening to the main receiver in the other ear. (Will also work with stereo speakers.) 73 Bill AE6JV - Bill Frantz| Re: Hardware Management Modes: | Periwinkle (408)348-7900 | If there's a mode, there's a | 150 Rivermead Rd #235 www.pwpconsult.com | failure mode. - Jerry Leichter | Peterborough, NH 03458 ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] VFO's and sub-VFO's
Adrian, you are correct about the SUB VFO on those sort of Yaesu rigs, my prior statement: "Other rigs have MAIN and SUB receivers which are also used for SPLIT mode. These rigs usually (always?) cannot transmit using SUB unless in SPLIT or full-duplex mode." covers those. I should have said: "I suppose MAIN and SUB means two independent receivers, whereas VFO A and VFO B are just software concepts mapped onto a single receiver. Transmit in SUB only happens in full-duplex satellite modes or SPLIT mode, otherwise SUB is only a second receiver." SUB should not be called VFO B, that is not correct and will confuse users. As for your other off topic comments: VSPE in splitter mode is categorically not supported by either WSJT-X or DX Lab Suite Commander. Don't do that! Commander has support for sending tracking CAT commands to a second device like your SPE amp using its secondary CAT device capability. Using VSPE in port splitting mode will inevitably lead to CAT command collisions that could potentially damage equipment, and I will pre-empt your probable comment that it has never happened to you with the response "It hasn't yet". 73 Bill G4WJS. On 04/04/2021 22:36, Adrian wrote: With RIG Split the FTDX101MP always use's SUB VFO for TX, and it is easily selected for TX for other TXCR use besides wsjtx. "Transmit in SUB only happens in full-duplex satellite modes, otherwise SUB is only a second receiver." is not true for the FTDX101 at least. SUB is designed to do all TXing when offsets are used. This is why I use commander software to allow the PC cat connected SPE amp to CAT read the SUB VFO frequency, as it needs to monitor TX frequency to set SPE ATU as needed before keyup. VSPE splitter allows wsjtx and commander to share the enhanced comport source CAT virtual port with room for another 2 programs to share (4 total). One receiver VFO can be assigned a A and B VFO profiles switchable and for split operation, whereas with two independent receivers, Main and SUB, the SUB VFO is assigned the VFO B job, but retains its SUB VFO name, but it could also be called VFO B. vk4tux On 5/4/21 2:31 am, Bill Somerville wrote: On 04/04/2021 17:19, Claude Frantz wrote: On 4/4/21 3:18 PM, Black Michael via wsjt-devel wrote: Hi Mike and all, You find "VFOs.txt" in the main hamlib directory that tries to describe the abstraction.The differences are rig-dependent along with rig mode. It was exactly the contents of this file which has triggered my question. Life isn't simple:-) Oh yes ! You are right. But my question remains open: What is the difference between a VFOx and a subVFO ? Is it simply a matter of definition or is there a difference in the function too ? Claude (DJ0OT) Hi Claude, some rigs like the IC-910 and IC-9700 have two separate receivers MAIN and SUB, each have a VFO A and VFO B (used for SPLIT mode for example). They also use SUB as a pseudo VFO B when used in full-duplex mode for satellite operation. Other rigs have MAIN and SUB receivers which are also used for SPLIT mode. These rigs usually (always?) cannot transmit using SUB unless in SPLIT or full-duplex mode. VFO A and VFO B where present are mostly indistinguishable, although there are exceptions to this as some rigs only transmit on VFO B and that is only when in SPLIT mode, i.e. they have no VFO B receive capability. I suppose MAIN and SUB means two independent receivers, whereas VFO A and VFO B are just software concepts mapped onto a single receiver. Transmit in SUB only happens in full-duplex satellite modes, otherwise SUB is only a second receiver. MAIN and SUB can usually be exchanged just like VFO A and VFO B can. 73 Bill G4WJS. ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] VFO's and sub-VFO's
With RIG Split the FTDX101MP always use's SUB VFO for TX, and it is easily selected for TX for other TXCR use besides wsjtx. "Transmit in SUB only happens in full-duplex satellite modes, otherwise SUB is only a second receiver." is not true for the FTDX101 at least. SUB is designed to do all TXing when offsets are used. This is why I use commander software to allow the PC cat connected SPE amp to CAT read the SUB VFO frequency, as it needs to monitor TX frequency to set SPE ATU as needed before keyup. VSPE splitter allows wsjtx and commander to share the enhanced comport source CAT virtual port with room for another 2 programs to share (4 total). One receiver VFO can be assigned a A and B VFO profiles switchable and for split operation, whereas with two independent receivers, Main and SUB, the SUB VFO is assigned the VFO B job, but retains its SUB VFO name, but it could also be called VFO B. vk4tux On 5/4/21 2:31 am, Bill Somerville wrote: On 04/04/2021 17:19, Claude Frantz wrote: On 4/4/21 3:18 PM, Black Michael via wsjt-devel wrote: Hi Mike and all, You find "VFOs.txt" in the main hamlib directory that tries to describe the abstraction.The differences are rig-dependent along with rig mode. It was exactly the contents of this file which has triggered my question. Life isn't simple:-) Oh yes ! You are right. But my question remains open: What is the difference between a VFOx and a subVFO ? Is it simply a matter of definition or is there a difference in the function too ? Claude (DJ0OT) Hi Claude, some rigs like the IC-910 and IC-9700 have two separate receivers MAIN and SUB, each have a VFO A and VFO B (used for SPLIT mode for example). They also use SUB as a pseudo VFO B when used in full-duplex mode for satellite operation. Other rigs have MAIN and SUB receivers which are also used for SPLIT mode. These rigs usually (always?) cannot transmit using SUB unless in SPLIT or full-duplex mode. VFO A and VFO B where present are mostly indistinguishable, although there are exceptions to this as some rigs only transmit on VFO B and that is only when in SPLIT mode, i.e. they have no VFO B receive capability. I suppose MAIN and SUB means two independent receivers, whereas VFO A and VFO B are just software concepts mapped onto a single receiver. Transmit in SUB only happens in full-duplex satellite modes, otherwise SUB is only a second receiver. MAIN and SUB can usually be exchanged just like VFO A and VFO B can. 73 Bill G4WJS. ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] VFO's and sub-VFO's
On 4/4/2021 5:47 AM, Claude Frantz wrote: Please explain me: What is the difference between VFO-A, VFO-B, VFO-C, etc. and the subVFO's. RTFM! 73, Jim K9YC ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] VFO's and sub-VFO's
ICOM does call their VFOs like this: If there is a single RX in the rig, like the 7300, you have VFO A/B so you have two VFO slots. if you have two receivers, Main and Sub are used. And Both Main and Sub have VFO A and B (like the 9700) so you have four VFO slots. On Sun, Apr 4, 2021 at 6:35 PM Black Michael via wsjt-devel < wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: > Like I said it's all rig dependent. > > Icom called their stuff Main/Sub where others used VFO A/B > > Then things got complicated after that. > > Conceptually VFOA=Main VFOB=Sub > > Mike W9MDB > > > > > On Sunday, April 4, 2021, 11:23:31 AM CDT, Claude Frantz < > claude.fra...@bayern-mail.de> wrote: > > > On 4/4/21 3:18 PM, Black Michael via wsjt-devel wrote: > > Hi Mike and all, > > > You find "VFOs.txt" in the main hamlib directory that tries to > > describe the abstraction.The differences are rig-dependent along with > > rig mode. > > It was exactly the contents of this file which has triggered my question. > > > Life isn't simple:-) > > Oh yes ! You are right. But my question remains open: What is the > difference between a VFOx and a subVFO ? Is it simply a matter of > definition or is there a difference in the function too ? > > > Claude (DJ0OT) > > > ___ > wsjt-devel mailing list > wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel > ___ > wsjt-devel mailing list > wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel > ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] VFO's and sub-VFO's
On 04/04/2021 17:19, Claude Frantz wrote: On 4/4/21 3:18 PM, Black Michael via wsjt-devel wrote: Hi Mike and all, You find "VFOs.txt" in the main hamlib directory that tries to describe the abstraction.The differences are rig-dependent along with rig mode. It was exactly the contents of this file which has triggered my question. Life isn't simple:-) Oh yes ! You are right. But my question remains open: What is the difference between a VFOx and a subVFO ? Is it simply a matter of definition or is there a difference in the function too ? Claude (DJ0OT) Hi Claude, some rigs like the IC-910 and IC-9700 have two separate receivers MAIN and SUB, each have a VFO A and VFO B (used for SPLIT mode for example). They also use SUB as a pseudo VFO B when used in full-duplex mode for satellite operation. Other rigs have MAIN and SUB receivers which are also used for SPLIT mode. These rigs usually (always?) cannot transmit using SUB unless in SPLIT or full-duplex mode. VFO A and VFO B where present are mostly indistinguishable, although there are exceptions to this as some rigs only transmit on VFO B and that is only when in SPLIT mode, i.e. they have no VFO B receive capability. I suppose MAIN and SUB means two independent receivers, whereas VFO A and VFO B are just software concepts mapped onto a single receiver. Transmit in SUB only happens in full-duplex satellite modes, otherwise SUB is only a second receiver. MAIN and SUB can usually be exchanged just like VFO A and VFO B can. 73 Bill G4WJS. ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] VFO's and sub-VFO's
Like I said it's all rig dependent. Icom called their stuff Main/Sub where others used VFO A/B Then things got complicated after that. Conceptually VFOA=Main VFOB=Sub Mike W9MDB On Sunday, April 4, 2021, 11:23:31 AM CDT, Claude Frantz wrote: On 4/4/21 3:18 PM, Black Michael via wsjt-devel wrote: Hi Mike and all, > You find "VFOs.txt" in the main hamlib directory that tries to > describe the abstraction.The differences are rig-dependent along with > rig mode. It was exactly the contents of this file which has triggered my question. > Life isn't simple:-) Oh yes ! You are right. But my question remains open: What is the difference between a VFOx and a subVFO ? Is it simply a matter of definition or is there a difference in the function too ? Claude (DJ0OT) ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] VFO's and sub-VFO's
On 4/4/21 3:18 PM, Black Michael via wsjt-devel wrote: Hi Mike and all, You find "VFOs.txt" in the main hamlib directory that tries to describe the abstraction.The differences are rig-dependent along with rig mode. It was exactly the contents of this file which has triggered my question. Life isn't simple:-) Oh yes ! You are right. But my question remains open: What is the difference between a VFOx and a subVFO ? Is it simply a matter of definition or is there a difference in the function too ? Claude (DJ0OT) ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] VFO's and sub-VFO's
You find "VFOs.txt" in the main hamlib directory that tries to describe the abstraction.The differences are rig-dependent along with rig mode. The original abstraction which will remain is thisVFO_A=MainVFO_B=Sub But the abstraction has been extended to support newer rigs and satellite mode better. VFO_C was introduced by the IC=910 but nothing has been implemented for it yet other than recognizing VFOC exists. Full duplex rigs contain Main/VFOA Main/VFOB Sub/VFOA Sub/VFOB. So in satellite mode Sub means Sub/VFOA but in split mode it's Main/VFOB. Life isn't simple:-) Mike W9MDB On Sunday, April 4, 2021, 07:52:17 AM CDT, Claude Frantz wrote: Hi all, Please explain me: What is the difference between VFO-A, VFO-B, VFO-C, etc. and the subVFO's. Thanks ! Best wishes, Claude (DJ0OT) ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
[wsjt-devel] VFO's and sub-VFO's
Hi all, Please explain me: What is the difference between VFO-A, VFO-B, VFO-C, etc. and the subVFO's. Thanks ! Best wishes, Claude (DJ0OT) ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
