Re: [wsjt-devel] Suggestion for Additional Checkbox
On 25 Apr 2019 at 14:30, Bill Somerville wrote: > Frank, > > WSJT-X tries to prevent *Fox* FT8 DXpedition mode stations from > operating on the "usual" FT8 frequencies. Clearly we cannot stop use of > Fox mode if the DX does not use CAT control. Other programs like MSHV > allow a mode similar to Fox mode on normal FT8 frequencies but AFAIK you > do not need to select WSJT-X Hound mode to work DX using that > application. This causes considerable confusion and when the so-called > multi-threaded mode on MSHV is enabled on normal FT8 frequencies it > causes QRM to other users by using more bandwidth than other stations, > but TBH that's what happens with DXpeditions anyway. WSJT-X Fox & Hound > DXpedition mode was designed to facilitate the larger DXpeditions, i.e. > in the top 100 most wanted lists and able to operate 24/7 for most of > the DXpedition operation. This warrants using a separate pre-published > frequency schedule and there using multiple QSOs in parallel is quite > acceptable for maximum throughput, thereby allowing as many users as > possible to get in the DXpedition log without having to use high gain > aerials and high power levels. Hello Bill, thanks for your email above which has certainly helped me, and hopefully others, understand a bit better the operating-frequency constraints of FT8's (and presumably FT4's) Fox & Hound DXpedition mode. I don't know if others, like me, had gained the impression from various postings to this email list and on the Yahoo group that the WSJT-X s/ware was intended to prevent any station operating in *either* Fox *or* Hound mode from transmitting in the standard FT8 band segments, but your email certainly seems to indicate that it's only a Fox that's so-constrained; if my interpretation is correct then it begs the question of whether Hounds should also be prevented from Tx'ing in the standard segments. Perhaps the software could apply a Hound-mode stop-band around each of the standard FT8 frequencies; for example if Hound mode is enabled and the rig is tuned to anywhere within say 14070 to 14078kHz then transmission would be prevented. Of course this would only function if the rig was being CAT-controlled so that the dial frequency was known to the software; it wouldn't prevent a Hound station not using CAT from Tx'ing in the standard segments. The desirability or otherwise of using CAT is open to ongoing discussion... :-) In your email you mention stations using the MSHV software; I (and I expect many others) can confirm that it's not necessary to use Hound mode to work such stations - the standard FT8 mode works just fine in such scenarios. As you've pointed out, the use of the MSHV multi-threaded mode in the standard band segments can be (and probably is) a cause of significant confusion, and no doubt the desirability of such multi-threaded operating in the standard segments will continue to be a topic for sometimes heated debate... -- 73, Martin G0HDB --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] Suggestion for Additional Checkbox
Bravo! 73 -Jim NU0C On Thu, 25 Apr 2019 18:02:35 -0400 James Shaver wrote: > No CAT control with this old rig (picture attached) and it holds its own ;) > ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] Suggestion for Additional Checkbox
No CAT control with this old rig (picture attached) and it holds its own ;) > On Apr 25, 2019, at 5:07 PM, Jim Shorney wrote: > > > The point was that CAT is not essential in any case. The notion that CAT is > *required* to use FT/JT modes is a myth propagated by those who don't know > any better. There are those of us who do not use CAT for whatever reason and > we appreciate the ability to operate this way. To successfully to so requires > a level of knowledge and skill a bit above the plug-and-play appliance level. > Try it sometime. :D > > 73 > > -Jim > NU0C > > > On Thu, 25 Apr 2019 09:19:16 -0400 > Frank Kirschner wrote: > >>> Actually, no it (rig split via CAT) is not at all essential. However, >>> using the software without CAT control requires actual radio knowledge. >>> >> Actually, it's pretty easy if you have the right equipment. The Flex Radio >> 6600 and Maestro combination allow control without the usual CAT >> functionality. They communicate via TCP ports. There is a CAT program >> provided, but I don't even run it when using the Maestro to control the rig. > > > > ___ > wsjt-devel mailing list > wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] Suggestion for Additional Checkbox
The point was that CAT is not essential in any case. The notion that CAT is *required* to use FT/JT modes is a myth propagated by those who don't know any better. There are those of us who do not use CAT for whatever reason and we appreciate the ability to operate this way. To successfully to so requires a level of knowledge and skill a bit above the plug-and-play appliance level. Try it sometime. :D 73 -Jim NU0C On Thu, 25 Apr 2019 09:19:16 -0400 Frank Kirschner wrote: > > Actually, no it (rig split via CAT) is not at all essential. However, > > using the software without CAT control requires actual radio knowledge. > > > Actually, it's pretty easy if you have the right equipment. The Flex Radio > 6600 and Maestro combination allow control without the usual CAT > functionality. They communicate via TCP ports. There is a CAT program > provided, but I don't even run it when using the Maestro to control the rig. ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] Suggestion for Additional Checkbox
Bill, Thanks for the info. I'm an old CW op at heart, and even with a PhD in EE, I sometimes scratch my head trying to figure out why the software works the way it does. 73, Frank KF6E On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 9:54 AM Bill Somerville wrote: > On 25/04/2019 14:15, Frank Kirschner wrote: > > Someone wrote that the software prevented using Hound mode in the > > regular band segments. I was just demonstrating that this was not the > > case. I didn't actually transmit, since I saw no stations in Fox mode. > > Frank, > > WSJT-X tries to prevent *Fox* FT8 DXpedition mode stations from > operating on the "usual" FT8 frequencies. Clearly we cannot stop use of > Fox mode if the DX does not use CAT control. Other programs like MSHV > allow a mode similar to Fox mode on normal FT8 frequencies but AFAIK you > do not need to select WSJT-X Hound mode to work DX using that > application. This causes considerable confusion and when the so-called > multi-threaded mode on MSHV is enabled on normal FT8 frequencies it > causes QRM to other users by using more bandwidth than other stations, > but TBH that's what happens with DXpeditions anyway. WSJT-X Fox & Hound > DXpedition mode was designed to facilitate the larger DXpeditions, i.e. > in the top 100 most wanted lists and able to operate 24/7 for most of > the DXpedition operation. This warrants using a separate pre-published > frequency schedule and there using multiple QSOs in parallel is quite > acceptable for maximum throughput, thereby allowing as many users as > possible to get in the DXpedition log without having to use high gain > aerials and high power levels. > > 73 > Bill > G4WJS. > > > > ___ > wsjt-devel mailing list > wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel > ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] Suggestion for Additional Checkbox
On 25/04/2019 14:15, Frank Kirschner wrote: Someone wrote that the software prevented using Hound mode in the regular band segments. I was just demonstrating that this was not the case. I didn't actually transmit, since I saw no stations in Fox mode. Frank, WSJT-X tries to prevent *Fox* FT8 DXpedition mode stations from operating on the "usual" FT8 frequencies. Clearly we cannot stop use of Fox mode if the DX does not use CAT control. Other programs like MSHV allow a mode similar to Fox mode on normal FT8 frequencies but AFAIK you do not need to select WSJT-X Hound mode to work DX using that application. This causes considerable confusion and when the so-called multi-threaded mode on MSHV is enabled on normal FT8 frequencies it causes QRM to other users by using more bandwidth than other stations, but TBH that's what happens with DXpeditions anyway. WSJT-X Fox & Hound DXpedition mode was designed to facilitate the larger DXpeditions, i.e. in the top 100 most wanted lists and able to operate 24/7 for most of the DXpedition operation. This warrants using a separate pre-published frequency schedule and there using multiple QSOs in parallel is quite acceptable for maximum throughput, thereby allowing as many users as possible to get in the DXpedition log without having to use high gain aerials and high power levels. 73 Bill G4WJS. ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] Suggestion for Additional Checkbox
On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 10:49 PM Jim Shorney wrote: > On Tue, 23 Apr 2019 14:11:19 +0100 > "Martin Davies G0HDB" wrote: > > > The use of Split is all-but essential for slick operation in Hound mode, > which is presumably > > why the software complained if you changed to a Hound configuration > without one or other of > > the Split options being selected. > > Actually, no it (rig split via CAT) is not at all essential. However, > using the software without CAT control requires actual radio knowledge. > > Actually, it's pretty easy if you have the right equipment. The Flex Radio 6600 and Maestro combination allow control without the usual CAT functionality. They communicate via TCP ports. There is a CAT program provided, but I don't even run it when using the Maestro to control the rig. 73, Frank KF6E ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] Suggestion for Additional Checkbox
Martin, Thanks for you complete reply. I appreciate your taking the time. My comments are below. On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 9:20 AM Martin Davies G0HDB wrote: > > Frank: > > If the station you want to work is concurrently transmitting multiple > (typically 3) signals 60Hz > apart, and conducting multiple simultaneous QSOs, within a 'standard' FT8 > band segment > then it'll be almost certain that the station is NOT operating in true F/H > DXpedition mode but > is instead using one of the derivative apps such as MSHV. > > To work such a station, should you wish to do so (although some people > discourage it), it's > NOT NECESSARY to switch your mode to Hound; you can work them using the > standard > FT8 mode. OK. Then a few of the stations I worked who were transmitting other-than-normal messages were of the derivative type. However, often, the program puts up a screen that says I should switch to F/H mode. I assume these are genuine F/H signals. Indeed, I'm puzzled as to why you feel it's necessary to toggle seemingly > quite > often between standard and Hound mode; the latter should only ever be > necessary when > you're trying to work a DXpedition, most (if not all) of which will have > declared in advance > which frequencies away from the standard segments they will be using for > F/H mode. There > should never really be a need to change your system to Hound mode when > you're operating > in the standard band segments - it doesn't matter if you're trying to work > a local or some > exotic DX. > I don't believe I ever stated anything about the frequency of toggling F/H ON or OFF. It's just that when a F/H signal appears, it would be convenient to get into that mode as quickly as possible, since they are often weak, and QSB takes them below the useful signal strength. A DXpedition is usually active for a week or more. When one is coming in on FT8, I switch to that band and frequency, toggle the F/H mode from OFF to ON, and try to work them. Once I work them (or they fade out and I lose patience), I again toggle the F/H mode from ON to OFF, and look for less exotic DX. With ten bands of interest, this means that in two weeks, I could toggle the F/H mode between OFF and ON many times. When there are no DXpeditions active, of course I don't need to toggle it at all. I don't believe that most people toggle F/H mode to ON when there is a DXpedition active and leave it there for the duration. > > You stated in another email: > > > I have responded to stations in F/H mode in the regular band segment on > > numerous occasions with no interference from the software. This > screen-grab > > shows Hound mode in the regular band segment. > > There's nothing in your screen-grab to indicate that any of the stations > are operating in either > true F/H mode or even in a derivative multi-channel mode such as MSHV, so > why are you in > Hound mode? > Someone wrote that the software prevented using Hound mode in the regular band segments. I was just demonstrating that this was not the case. I didn't actually transmit, since I saw no stations in Fox mode. > > If you've been switching to Hound mode whenever you want to try to work a > DX station I have not. The large majority of DX stations I have worked have been in the normal mode. However, with 265 DXCC entities and 1233 band-entities confirmed on LOTW, and band conditions as bad as they are, working new entities without the benefit of a DXpedition at the distant end is getting harder. Since I mostly hunt new band-entities, I don't generally work DX that already have confirmed on that band. So the ratio of F/H contacts to regular contacts is going up. > With regard to being able to use Hound mode in the standard band segments, > I've > discovered that if I select my specific Hound configuration which excludes > all the standard > frequency segments (my frequency list for Hound mode only includes the > declared > DXpedition frequencies, eg. 14095kHz), then there's nothing to prevent me > from manually > retuning the rig down to 14074kHz and then transmitting within the > standard segment. > Perhaps the software developers could take a look at explicitly preventing > transmissions in > the standard segments whenever Hound mode is selected, irrespective of how > the frequency > is set. > That was my point, above. So it would also be true that a DX station (or anybody, really) could switch to Fox mode in the regular band segment. > > You also stated, in another email: > > > I tried that, and it worked fine, switching between F/H and normal mode, > > and switching Split between Rig and None. Until I closed and restarted > the > > program. The first time I switched configurations, the S/W complained > that > > I needed to use Rig or Fake It for the Split parameter. Once I reset it, > it > > worked fine again. > > Does this mean that you only select 'Split' operation when you change to > Hound mode? Why > would you not use 'Split' when operating in normal FT8
Re: [wsjt-devel] Suggestion for Additional Checkbox
On Tue, 23 Apr 2019 14:11:19 +0100 "Martin Davies G0HDB" wrote: > The use of Split is all-but essential for slick operation in Hound mode, > which is presumably > why the software complained if you changed to a Hound configuration without > one or other of > the Split options being selected. Actually, no it (rig split via CAT) is not at all essential. However, using the software without CAT control requires actual radio knowledge. 73 -Jim NU0C -- "Life is too short for QRP" - ETO Alpha "DeciBels were invented to give QRPers a false sense of smugness" - NU0C "QRO is a public service" - NU0C ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] Suggestion for Additional Checkbox
On 22 Apr 2019 at 17:22, Frank Kirschner wrote: > OK. How do I tell whether it's a F/H mode station or a "derivative" > program? Most of the time, when I switch to F/H mode to work DX, I am able > to work them. Does that indicate the DX station is, indeed, running F/H? Frank: If the station you want to work is concurrently transmitting multiple (typically 3) signals 60Hz apart, and conducting multiple simultaneous QSOs, within a 'standard' FT8 band segment then it'll be almost certain that the station is NOT operating in true F/H DXpedition mode but is instead using one of the derivative apps such as MSHV. To work such a station, should you wish to do so (although some people discourage it), it's NOT NECESSARY to switch your mode to Hound; you can work them using the standard FT8 mode. Indeed, I'm puzzled as to why you feel it's necessary to toggle seemingly quite often between standard and Hound mode; the latter should only ever be necessary when you're trying to work a DXpedition, most (if not all) of which will have declared in advance which frequencies away from the standard segments they will be using for F/H mode. There should never really be a need to change your system to Hound mode when you're operating in the standard band segments - it doesn't matter if you're trying to work a local or some exotic DX. You stated in another email: > I have responded to stations in F/H mode in the regular band segment on > numerous occasions with no interference from the software. This screen-grab > shows Hound mode in the regular band segment. There's nothing in your screen-grab to indicate that any of the stations are operating in either true F/H mode or even in a derivative multi-channel mode such as MSHV, so why are you in Hound mode? If you've been switching to Hound mode whenever you want to try to work a DX station then it's possible (or even likely) that your transmit frequency will have been hopping around the band in response to you being called by the DX station - when you're called by the DX station the 'Hound-mode' software will have changed your Tx frequency to match that of the DX station (in the range of 300 to 540Hz) and then, if your transmission isn't received by the DX station (perhaps because others were also calling him on his frequency), your Tx frequency will be shifted either up or down by 300Hz. Such frequency agility on your part might not be appreciated by other users on the band!! With regard to being able to use Hound mode in the standard band segments, I've discovered that if I select my specific Hound configuration which excludes all the standard frequency segments (my frequency list for Hound mode only includes the declared DXpedition frequencies, eg. 14095kHz), then there's nothing to prevent me from manually retuning the rig down to 14074kHz and then transmitting within the standard segment. Perhaps the software developers could take a look at explicitly preventing transmissions in the standard segments whenever Hound mode is selected, irrespective of how the frequency is set. You also stated, in another email: > I tried that, and it worked fine, switching between F/H and normal mode, > and switching Split between Rig and None. Until I closed and restarted the > program. The first time I switched configurations, the S/W complained that > I needed to use Rig or Fake It for the Split parameter. Once I reset it, it > worked fine again. Does this mean that you only select 'Split' operation when you change to Hound mode? Why would you not use 'Split' when operating in normal FT8 mode? There's no earthly reason not to, especially as it provides the benefit of ensuring that your audio tones are always in the 'sweet' range between 1500 and 2000Hz, thereby helping to minimise the potential for 'bad audio'. The use of Split is all-but essential for slick operation in Hound mode, which is presumably why the software complained if you changed to a Hound configuration without one or other of the Split options being selected. -- Martin G0HDB --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] Suggestion for Additional Checkbox
If you're answering on the normal FT8 frequencies, its not the WSJT-X DXPedition mode which specifically locks out the standard FT8 frequencies. They are using a third-party software that I referred to previously. Neil, KN3ILZ On 4/22/2019 5:22 PM, Frank Kirschner wrote: Grant, On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 6:40 PM Grant VK5GR mailto:vk5gr.ra...@gmail.com>> wrote: Frank, Fox and Hound was never in the main FT8 channels – indeed I believe Bill, Frank Joe and the team coded the system to not let you run F/H mode on the main FT8 channels. Interesting. If that's the case, that function isn't working: image.png I have responded to stations in F/H mode in the regular band segment on numerous occasions with no interference from the software. This screen-grab shows Hound mode in the regular band segment. There have been non WSJT based “derivatives” that unfortunately did not give due consideration to the problems of mixing F/H mode with standard FT8 traffic. OK. How do I tell whether it's a F/H mode station or a "derivative" program? Most of the time, when I switch to F/H mode to work DX, I am able to work them. Does that indicate the DX station is, indeed, running F/H? Thanks. 73, Frank KF6E Regards, Grant VK5GR --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] Suggestion for Additional Checkbox
I don't know of many people who 'toggle' F/H mode. As has been pointed out, if you're using F/H mode, you're chasing a DXPedition that has normally announced what frequencies it will be using, and would not be on the normal FT8 locations. Whoever is using a F/H look-alike on the normal frequencies is doing a disservice to the rest of the community. Neil, KN3ILZ On 4/22/2019 5:14 PM, Frank Kirschner wrote: On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 5:51 PM Martin Davies G0HDB mailto:marting0...@gmail.com>> wrote: On 21 Apr 2019 at 13:47, Frank Kirschner wrote: I've been a user of FT8 F/H mode since its inception and I can't recall any instances where *genuine* F/H signals have appeared in the standard FT8 band segments; can anyone confirm any instances of this? However, there have been (and still are) numerous stations using the MSHV multi-thread mode in the standard band segments; such stations superficially appear to be using F/H mode because of the multiple concurrent QSOs but they're most definitely not. Here's a DX cluster report of a station using F/H in the regular band segment: image.png I can't receive him (low-band antenna blew down), and I wouldn't know if he was or wasn't, but I have worked several stations using F/H mode in the regular band segment. I use a specific, separate configuration for F/H mode and see no need to have a main-screen check-box to select the mode; as has already been pointed out selecting that, and any other, configuration can already be quickly and easily selected via a couple of clicks. Yes, that's one work-around, probably the one I will use. But since toggling F/H mode is done more often than toggling Hold Tx Freq or Call 1st, it seems like that should be quicker to get to. A good UI has the most-used features closest to the user. 73, Frank KF6E -- 73, Martin G0HDB --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] Suggestion for Additional Checkbox
Just found my reading glasses and noticed that it is 10.131, not 10.136, so that's not an example. But that has noting to do with the point of improving the user interface. I created hundreds of databases for industry and government, and found that they were best-received when the most used functions were easiest to access. 73, Frank KF6E On Mon, Apr 22, 2019 at 5:14 PM Frank Kirschner wrote: > > > On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 5:51 PM Martin Davies G0HDB > wrote: > >> On 21 Apr 2019 at 13:47, Frank Kirschner wrote: >> >> >> I've been a user of FT8 F/H mode since its inception and I can't recall >> any instances where >> *genuine* F/H signals have appeared in the standard FT8 band segments; >> can anyone >> confirm any instances of this? However, there have been (and still are) >> numerous stations >> using the MSHV multi-thread mode in the standard band segments; such >> stations >> superficially appear to be using F/H mode because of the multiple >> concurrent QSOs but >> they're most definitely not. >> > > Here's a DX cluster report of a station using F/H in the regular band > segment: > > [image: image.png] > > I can't receive him (low-band antenna blew down), and I wouldn't know if > he was or wasn't, but I have worked several stations using F/H mode in the > regular band segment. > >> >> I use a specific, separate configuration for F/H mode and see no need to >> have a main-screen >> check-box to select the mode; as has already been pointed out selecting >> that, and any other, >> configuration can already be quickly and easily selected via a couple of >> clicks. >> > > Yes, that's one work-around, probably the one I will use. But since > toggling F/H mode is done more often than toggling Hold Tx Freq or Call > 1st, it seems like that should be quicker to get to. A good UI has the > most-used features closest to the user. > > 73, > Frank > KF6E > >> >> -- >> 73, Martin G0HDB >> >> > ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] Suggestion for Additional Checkbox
On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 5:51 PM Martin Davies G0HDB wrote: > On 21 Apr 2019 at 13:47, Frank Kirschner wrote: > > I use a specific, separate configuration for F/H mode and see no need to > have a main-screen > check-box to select the mode; as has already been pointed out selecting > that, and any other, > configuration can already be quickly and easily selected via a couple of > clicks. > I tried that, and it worked fine, switching between F/H and normal mode, and switching Split between Rig and None. Until I closed and restarted the program. The first time I switched configurations, the S/W complained that I needed to use Rig or Fake It for the Split parameter. Once I reset it, it worked fine again. Why does the program lose that setting when I close it? 73, Frank KF6E > > -- > 73, Martin G0HDB > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > ___ > wsjt-devel mailing list > wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel > ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] Suggestion for Additional Checkbox
Hello Frank coming in.. May I ask where to download the FT4 beta version? 73 de Enrique PY2CP Em seg, 22 de abr de 2019 às 18:05, Frank Kirschner < frank.kirsch...@gmail.com> escreveu: > Gary, > > Thanks; very helpful. > > It is interesting to see that the F/H choice was on the main page early > on. It is toggled much more often than Hold Tx Freq or Call 1st. > > 73, > Frank > KIF6E > > On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 3:03 PM Gary Hinson wrote: > >> Here’s a different suggestion, Frank: take a look at JTDX which has a >> hound button on the main screen. Click the button to turn on hound mode’s >> short QSO sequence, then right click it to also enable the automatic >> frequency control thing that moves us below 1000 to the DX frequency when >> (if!) he calls us. >> >> >> >> Also, by the way, click the waterfall to set the green marker, or right >> click to set the red marker – simple, intuitive and easy. >> >> >> >> 73 GL >> >> Gary ZL2iFB >> >> >> >> *From:* Frank Kirschner >> *Sent:* 22 April 2019 05:38 >> *To:* WSJT software development >> *Subject:* Re: [wsjt-devel] Suggestion for Additional Checkbox >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 10:53 PM WB5JJJ wrote: >> >> F/H is not something you would normally select on a frequent basis, >> >> >> >> Yes it is. I mostly do DX hunting, and around 10 to 15% of my QSOs have >> been in F/H mode. Normally, I never respond to CQs from band-entities that >> I already have confirmed on LoTW. If someone calls me while I'm working DX, >> I will respond, but that requires turning off F/H mode before doing so. A >> checkbox would make that easier. I certainly select or unselect F/H mode >> more often than Hold Tx Freq or Call 1st, and there are checkboxes for >> those. >> >> so a check box cluttering the main screen is not necessary. >> >> >> >> As I pointed out, it wouldn't clutter the screen. There is ample room for >> several more checkboxes. >> >> >> >> As previously suggested setting a Configuration for that mode (and >> others) are just 2 clicks away and totally customizable. This procedure is >> outlined in the User Manual. It's simple and effective. >> >> >> >> Yes, that's an adequate workaround. But there are several selections >> available on the screen that I don't normally change, and these could be >> accessed through different configurations. Yet, they are on the main >> screen. It's just a difference in operating style. >> >> >> >> WB5JJJ - George >> >> >> >> It was just a suggestion. Some people are not open to suggestions. >> >> >> >> Thanks for your input. >> >> >> >> 73, >> >> Frank >> >> KF6E >> >> >> >> On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 7:44 PM Frank Kirschner >> wrote: >> >> Good idea. I'm not familiar enough with the program to have thought of >> that. Thanks. >> >> >> >> 73, >> >> Frank >> >> KF6E >> >> >> >> On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 6:16 PM N3SL wrote: >> >> Just a suggestion - works for me: Create a F/H "configuration" and >> toggle to it. Two mouse clicks. >> >> >> >> On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 4:50 PM Frank Kirschner < >> frank.kirsch...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Between the Hold Tx Freq checkbox and the Call 1st checkbox, there is >> room for several more checkboxes. One I would suggest is Fox/Hound mode. I >> would also suggest this automatically set Split to either Rig or Fake It, >> which could be selected somewhere else. >> >> >> >> If the menus are turned off, it takes a while to turn them on and >> navigate to the correct spot to set fox/hound and split mode. This >> sometimes is long enough to miss a weak one. A checkbox would not only make >> it faster, but it would encourage using that mode for those who are still >> learning FT8 operation. >> >> >> >> 73, >> >> Frank >> >> KF6E >> >> ___ >> wsjt-devel mailing list >> wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel >> >> ___ >> wsjt-devel mailing list >> wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel >> >> ___ >> wsjt-devel mailing list >> wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel >> >> ___ >> wsjt-devel mailing list >> wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel >> > ___ > wsjt-devel mailing list > wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel > ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] Suggestion for Additional Checkbox
On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 7:08 PM Jim Shorney wrote: > On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 08:06:26 +0930 > "Grant VK5GR" wrote: > > > Fox and Hound was never in the main FT8 channels – indeed I believe > Bill, Frank Joe and the team coded the system to not let you run F/H mode > on the main FT8 channels. > > > which can easily be subverted by not using CAT control of frequency. > Here is the program set to F/H mode in the regular band segment: [image: image.png] I'm using DAX with my Flex 6600, and Split is set to "Rig." Am I missing something? There doesn't seem to be anything to prevent this. 73, Frank KF6E > > Not that anyone would do that. > > 73 > > -Jim > NU0C > > -- > “There’s something out of place – let’s go and poke it with a stick.” – > The Doctor, "Amy’s Choice" > > > ___ > wsjt-devel mailing list > wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel > ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] Suggestion for Additional Checkbox
Grant, On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 6:40 PM Grant VK5GR wrote: > Frank, > > > > Fox and Hound was never in the main FT8 channels – indeed I believe Bill, > Frank Joe and the team coded the system to not let you run F/H mode on the > main FT8 channels. > Interesting. If that's the case, that function isn't working: [image: image.png] > > I have responded to stations in F/H mode in the regular band segment on numerous occasions with no interference from the software. This screen-grab shows Hound mode in the regular band segment. > There have been non WSJT based “derivatives” that unfortunately did not > give due consideration to the problems of mixing F/H mode with standard FT8 > traffic. > OK. How do I tell whether it's a F/H mode station or a "derivative" program? Most of the time, when I switch to F/H mode to work DX, I am able to work them. Does that indicate the DX station is, indeed, running F/H? Thanks. 73, Frank KF6E > > > Regards, > > Grant VK5GR > > > > ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] Suggestion for Additional Checkbox
On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 5:51 PM Martin Davies G0HDB wrote: > On 21 Apr 2019 at 13:47, Frank Kirschner wrote: > > > I've been a user of FT8 F/H mode since its inception and I can't recall > any instances where > *genuine* F/H signals have appeared in the standard FT8 band segments; can > anyone > confirm any instances of this? However, there have been (and still are) > numerous stations > using the MSHV multi-thread mode in the standard band segments; such > stations > superficially appear to be using F/H mode because of the multiple > concurrent QSOs but > they're most definitely not. > Here's a DX cluster report of a station using F/H in the regular band segment: [image: image.png] I can't receive him (low-band antenna blew down), and I wouldn't know if he was or wasn't, but I have worked several stations using F/H mode in the regular band segment. > > I use a specific, separate configuration for F/H mode and see no need to > have a main-screen > check-box to select the mode; as has already been pointed out selecting > that, and any other, > configuration can already be quickly and easily selected via a couple of > clicks. > Yes, that's one work-around, probably the one I will use. But since toggling F/H mode is done more often than toggling Hold Tx Freq or Call 1st, it seems like that should be quicker to get to. A good UI has the most-used features closest to the user. 73, Frank KF6E > > -- > 73, Martin G0HDB > > ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] Suggestion for Additional Checkbox
Gary, Thanks; very helpful. It is interesting to see that the F/H choice was on the main page early on. It is toggled much more often than Hold Tx Freq or Call 1st. 73, Frank KIF6E On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 3:03 PM Gary Hinson wrote: > Here’s a different suggestion, Frank: take a look at JTDX which has a > hound button on the main screen. Click the button to turn on hound mode’s > short QSO sequence, then right click it to also enable the automatic > frequency control thing that moves us below 1000 to the DX frequency when > (if!) he calls us. > > > > Also, by the way, click the waterfall to set the green marker, or right > click to set the red marker – simple, intuitive and easy. > > > > 73 GL > > Gary ZL2iFB > > > > *From:* Frank Kirschner > *Sent:* 22 April 2019 05:38 > *To:* WSJT software development > *Subject:* Re: [wsjt-devel] Suggestion for Additional Checkbox > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 10:53 PM WB5JJJ wrote: > > F/H is not something you would normally select on a frequent basis, > > > > Yes it is. I mostly do DX hunting, and around 10 to 15% of my QSOs have > been in F/H mode. Normally, I never respond to CQs from band-entities that > I already have confirmed on LoTW. If someone calls me while I'm working DX, > I will respond, but that requires turning off F/H mode before doing so. A > checkbox would make that easier. I certainly select or unselect F/H mode > more often than Hold Tx Freq or Call 1st, and there are checkboxes for > those. > > so a check box cluttering the main screen is not necessary. > > > > As I pointed out, it wouldn't clutter the screen. There is ample room for > several more checkboxes. > > > > As previously suggested setting a Configuration for that mode (and others) > are just 2 clicks away and totally customizable. This procedure is > outlined in the User Manual. It's simple and effective. > > > > Yes, that's an adequate workaround. But there are several selections > available on the screen that I don't normally change, and these could be > accessed through different configurations. Yet, they are on the main > screen. It's just a difference in operating style. > > > > WB5JJJ - George > > > > It was just a suggestion. Some people are not open to suggestions. > > > > Thanks for your input. > > > > 73, > > Frank > > KF6E > > > > On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 7:44 PM Frank Kirschner > wrote: > > Good idea. I'm not familiar enough with the program to have thought of > that. Thanks. > > > > 73, > > Frank > > KF6E > > > > On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 6:16 PM N3SL wrote: > > Just a suggestion - works for me: Create a F/H "configuration" and toggle > to it. Two mouse clicks. > > > > On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 4:50 PM Frank Kirschner > wrote: > > Between the Hold Tx Freq checkbox and the Call 1st checkbox, there is room > for several more checkboxes. One I would suggest is Fox/Hound mode. I would > also suggest this automatically set Split to either Rig or Fake It, which > could be selected somewhere else. > > > > If the menus are turned off, it takes a while to turn them on and navigate > to the correct spot to set fox/hound and split mode. This sometimes is long > enough to miss a weak one. A checkbox would not only make it faster, but it > would encourage using that mode for those who are still learning FT8 > operation. > > > > 73, > > Frank > > KF6E > > ___ > wsjt-devel mailing list > wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel > > ___ > wsjt-devel mailing list > wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel > > ___ > wsjt-devel mailing list > wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel > > ___ > wsjt-devel mailing list > wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel > ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] Suggestion for Additional Checkbox
On Mon, 22 Apr 2019 08:06:26 +0930 "Grant VK5GR" wrote: > Fox and Hound was never in the main FT8 channels – indeed I believe Bill, > Frank Joe and the team coded the system to not let you run F/H mode on the > main FT8 channels. which can easily be subverted by not using CAT control of frequency. Not that anyone would do that. 73 -Jim NU0C -- “There’s something out of place – let’s go and poke it with a stick.” – The Doctor, "Amy’s Choice" ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] Suggestion for Additional Checkbox
Frank, Fox and Hound was never in the main FT8 channels – indeed I believe Bill, Frank Joe and the team coded the system to not let you run F/H mode on the main FT8 channels. There have been non WSJT based “derivatives” that unfortunately did not give due consideration to the problems of mixing F/H mode with standard FT8 traffic. Regards, Grant VK5GR From: Frank Kirschner [mailto:frank.kirsch...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 22 April 2019 3:18 AM To: WSJT software development Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] Suggestion for Additional Checkbox On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 11:19 PM Neil Zampella wrote: There is already a F/H mode, safely placed where it can't be accidentally checked as the old VHF contest box (at least I believe it was the VHF contest) was at one point. The suggestion has been to clone your current FT8 configuration, and set up the frequencies in that clone to the DXPedition frequencies.All you have to do is switch to that configuration, and you're already set to go. However, if you're talking about being able to switch because you see what looks like F/H in the standard FT8 frequencies, its not WSJT-X DXPedition mode, but another program using the FT8 sources for encode/decode but a different 'multi-thread' mode that does NOT block out the standard frequencies. That's not completely accurate. Initially, most F/H operation was in the regular band segment, but as those segments filled up, DX stations moved to the alternate frequencies. I have worked DX stations in F/H mode in the regular band segments. That's becoming less frequent, though. Since I mostly hunt DX, I don't just look for DX on the band activity window in WSJT-X. I use a DX cluster and jump to the indicated frequency directly. Since clusters now indicate the transmitted frequency instead of the QRG, I have to manually change the VFO frequency to the correct one. Then I look for the DX station, and decide if it's using F/H mode. It would be convenient to switch to F/H with one click. 73, Frank KF6E I would not want to see such a change as it then rewards bad behavior (IMHO). Neil, KN3ILZ On 4/20/2019 5:46 PM, Frank Kirschner wrote: > Between the Hold Tx Freq checkbox and the Call 1st checkbox, there is > room for several more checkboxes. One I would suggest is Fox/Hound > mode. I would also suggest this automatically set Split to either Rig > or Fake It, which could be selected somewhere else. > > If the menus are turned off, it takes a while to turn them on and > navigate to the correct spot to set fox/hound and split mode. This > sometimes is long enough to miss a weak one. A checkbox would not only > make it faster, but it would encourage using that mode for those who > are still learning FT8 operation. > > 73, > Frank > KF6E --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] Suggestion for Additional Checkbox
At one point the controls for F/H were on the main part of the GUI and the group was flooded with questions asking why they were receiving and transmitting “funny” because they were inadvertently checking the box when it was on the main page. That went away when the box was moved into the settings. > On Apr 21, 2019, at 3:31 PM, Jim Shorney wrote: > > > F2 is your friend. If 'Advanced" was the last active tab you you will be > right there. That's a single key stroke! What's so hard about that? > > 73 > > -Jim > NU0C > > > On Sun, 21 Apr 2019 13:38:24 -0400 > Frank Kirschner wrote: > >>> On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 10:53 PM WB5JJJ wrote: >>> >>> F/H is not something you would normally select on a frequent basis, >>> >> >> Yes it is. I mostly do DX hunting, and around 10 to 15% of my QSOs have >> been in F/H mode. Normally, I never respond to CQs from band-entities that >> I already have confirmed on LoTW. If someone calls me while I'm working DX, >> I will respond, but that requires turning off F/H mode before doing so. A >> checkbox would make that easier. I certainly select or unselect F/H mode >> more often than Hold Tx Freq or Call 1st, and there are checkboxes for >> those. >> >>> so a check box cluttering the main screen is not necessary. >>> >> >> As I pointed out, it wouldn't clutter the screen. There is ample room for >> several more checkboxes. >> >>> >>> As previously suggested setting a Configuration for that mode (and others) >>> are just 2 clicks away and totally customizable. This procedure is >>> outlined in the User Manual. It's simple and effective. >>> >>> Yes, that's an adequate workaround. But there are several selections >> available on the screen that I don't normally change, and these could be >> accessed through different configurations. Yet, they are on the main >> screen. It's just a difference in operating style. >> >> >>> WB5JJJ - George >>> >> >> It was just a suggestion. Some people are not open to suggestions. >> >> Thanks for your input. >> >> 73, >> Frank >> KF6E >> >>> >>> On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 7:44 PM Frank Kirschner >>> wrote: >>> Good idea. I'm not familiar enough with the program to have thought of that. Thanks. 73, Frank KF6E > On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 6:16 PM N3SL wrote: > > Just a suggestion - works for me: Create a F/H "configuration" and > toggle to it. Two mouse clicks. > > On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 4:50 PM Frank Kirschner < > frank.kirsch...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Between the Hold Tx Freq checkbox and the Call 1st checkbox, there is >> room for several more checkboxes. One I would suggest is Fox/Hound mode. >> I >> would also suggest this automatically set Split to either Rig or Fake It, >> which could be selected somewhere else. >> >> If the menus are turned off, it takes a while to turn them on and >> navigate to the correct spot to set fox/hound and split mode. This >> sometimes is long enough to miss a weak one. A checkbox would not only >> make >> it faster, but it would encourage using that mode for those who are still >> learning FT8 operation. >> >> 73, >> Frank >> KF6E >> ___ >> wsjt-devel mailing list >> wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel >> > ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel >>> ___ >>> wsjt-devel mailing list >>> wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel >>> > > > > ___ > wsjt-devel mailing list > wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] Suggestion for Additional Checkbox
On 21 Apr 2019 at 13:47, Frank Kirschner wrote: > That's not completely accurate. Initially, most F/H operation was in the > regular band segment, but as those segments filled up, DX stations moved to > the alternate frequencies. I have worked DX stations in F/H mode in the > regular band segments. That's becoming less frequent, though. I've been a user of FT8 F/H mode since its inception and I can't recall any instances where *genuine* F/H signals have appeared in the standard FT8 band segments; can anyone confirm any instances of this? However, there have been (and still are) numerous stations using the MSHV multi-thread mode in the standard band segments; such stations superficially appear to be using F/H mode because of the multiple concurrent QSOs but they're most definitely not. I use a specific, separate configuration for F/H mode and see no need to have a main-screen check-box to select the mode; as has already been pointed out selecting that, and any other, configuration can already be quickly and easily selected via a couple of clicks. -- 73, Martin G0HDB --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] Suggestion for Additional Checkbox
F2 is your friend. If 'Advanced" was the last active tab you you will be right there. That's a single key stroke! What's so hard about that? 73 -Jim NU0C On Sun, 21 Apr 2019 13:38:24 -0400 Frank Kirschner wrote: > On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 10:53 PM WB5JJJ wrote: > > > F/H is not something you would normally select on a frequent basis, > > > > Yes it is. I mostly do DX hunting, and around 10 to 15% of my QSOs have > been in F/H mode. Normally, I never respond to CQs from band-entities that > I already have confirmed on LoTW. If someone calls me while I'm working DX, > I will respond, but that requires turning off F/H mode before doing so. A > checkbox would make that easier. I certainly select or unselect F/H mode > more often than Hold Tx Freq or Call 1st, and there are checkboxes for > those. > > > so a check box cluttering the main screen is not necessary. > > > > As I pointed out, it wouldn't clutter the screen. There is ample room for > several more checkboxes. > > > > > As previously suggested setting a Configuration for that mode (and others) > > are just 2 clicks away and totally customizable. This procedure is > > outlined in the User Manual. It's simple and effective. > > > > Yes, that's an adequate workaround. But there are several selections > available on the screen that I don't normally change, and these could be > accessed through different configurations. Yet, they are on the main > screen. It's just a difference in operating style. > > > > WB5JJJ - George > > > > It was just a suggestion. Some people are not open to suggestions. > > Thanks for your input. > > 73, > Frank > KF6E > > > > > On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 7:44 PM Frank Kirschner > > wrote: > > > >> Good idea. I'm not familiar enough with the program to have thought of > >> that. Thanks. > >> > >> 73, > >> Frank > >> KF6E > >> > >> On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 6:16 PM N3SL wrote: > >> > >>> Just a suggestion - works for me: Create a F/H "configuration" and > >>> toggle to it. Two mouse clicks. > >>> > >>> On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 4:50 PM Frank Kirschner < > >>> frank.kirsch...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > Between the Hold Tx Freq checkbox and the Call 1st checkbox, there is > room for several more checkboxes. One I would suggest is Fox/Hound mode. > I > would also suggest this automatically set Split to either Rig or Fake It, > which could be selected somewhere else. > > If the menus are turned off, it takes a while to turn them on and > navigate to the correct spot to set fox/hound and split mode. This > sometimes is long enough to miss a weak one. A checkbox would not only > make > it faster, but it would encourage using that mode for those who are still > learning FT8 operation. > > 73, > Frank > KF6E > ___ > wsjt-devel mailing list > wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel > > >>> ___ > >> wsjt-devel mailing list > >> wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel > >> > > ___ > > wsjt-devel mailing list > > wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel > > ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] Suggestion for Additional Checkbox
Here’s a different suggestion, Frank: take a look at JTDX which has a hound button on the main screen. Click the button to turn on hound mode’s short QSO sequence, then right click it to also enable the automatic frequency control thing that moves us below 1000 to the DX frequency when (if!) he calls us. Also, by the way, click the waterfall to set the green marker, or right click to set the red marker – simple, intuitive and easy. 73 GL Gary ZL2iFB From: Frank Kirschner Sent: 22 April 2019 05:38 To: WSJT software development Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] Suggestion for Additional Checkbox On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 10:53 PM WB5JJJ mailto:wb5...@gmail.com> > wrote: F/H is not something you would normally select on a frequent basis, Yes it is. I mostly do DX hunting, and around 10 to 15% of my QSOs have been in F/H mode. Normally, I never respond to CQs from band-entities that I already have confirmed on LoTW. If someone calls me while I'm working DX, I will respond, but that requires turning off F/H mode before doing so. A checkbox would make that easier. I certainly select or unselect F/H mode more often than Hold Tx Freq or Call 1st, and there are checkboxes for those. so a check box cluttering the main screen is not necessary. As I pointed out, it wouldn't clutter the screen. There is ample room for several more checkboxes. As previously suggested setting a Configuration for that mode (and others) are just 2 clicks away and totally customizable. This procedure is outlined in the User Manual. It's simple and effective. Yes, that's an adequate workaround. But there are several selections available on the screen that I don't normally change, and these could be accessed through different configurations. Yet, they are on the main screen. It's just a difference in operating style. WB5JJJ - George It was just a suggestion. Some people are not open to suggestions. Thanks for your input. 73, Frank KF6E On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 7:44 PM Frank Kirschner mailto:fr...@fkirschner.net> > wrote: Good idea. I'm not familiar enough with the program to have thought of that. Thanks. 73, Frank KF6E On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 6:16 PM N3SL mailto:n3sl.d...@gmail.com> > wrote: Just a suggestion - works for me: Create a F/H "configuration" and toggle to it. Two mouse clicks. On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 4:50 PM Frank Kirschner mailto:frank.kirsch...@gmail.com> > wrote: Between the Hold Tx Freq checkbox and the Call 1st checkbox, there is room for several more checkboxes. One I would suggest is Fox/Hound mode. I would also suggest this automatically set Split to either Rig or Fake It, which could be selected somewhere else. If the menus are turned off, it takes a while to turn them on and navigate to the correct spot to set fox/hound and split mode. This sometimes is long enough to miss a weak one. A checkbox would not only make it faster, but it would encourage using that mode for those who are still learning FT8 operation. 73, Frank KF6E ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net <mailto:wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net <mailto:wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net <mailto:wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] Suggestion for Additional Checkbox
On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 11:19 PM Neil Zampella wrote: > There is already a F/H mode, safely placed where it can't be > accidentally checked as the old VHF contest box (at least I believe it > was the VHF contest) was at one point. > > The suggestion has been to clone your current FT8 configuration, and set > up the frequencies in that clone to the DXPedition frequencies.All > you have to do is switch to that configuration, and you're already set > to go. > > However, if you're talking about being able to switch because you see > what looks like F/H in the standard FT8 frequencies, its not WSJT-X > DXPedition mode, but another program using the FT8 sources for > encode/decode but a different 'multi-thread' mode that does NOT block > out the standard frequencies. > That's not completely accurate. Initially, most F/H operation was in the regular band segment, but as those segments filled up, DX stations moved to the alternate frequencies. I have worked DX stations in F/H mode in the regular band segments. That's becoming less frequent, though. Since I mostly hunt DX, I don't just look for DX on the band activity window in WSJT-X. I use a DX cluster and jump to the indicated frequency directly. Since clusters now indicate the transmitted frequency instead of the QRG, I have to manually change the VFO frequency to the correct one. Then I look for the DX station, and decide if it's using F/H mode. It would be convenient to switch to F/H with one click. 73, Frank KF6E > > I would not want to see such a change as it then rewards bad behavior > (IMHO). > > Neil, KN3ILZ > > On 4/20/2019 5:46 PM, Frank Kirschner wrote: > > Between the Hold Tx Freq checkbox and the Call 1st checkbox, there is > > room for several more checkboxes. One I would suggest is Fox/Hound > > mode. I would also suggest this automatically set Split to either Rig > > or Fake It, which could be selected somewhere else. > > > > If the menus are turned off, it takes a while to turn them on and > > navigate to the correct spot to set fox/hound and split mode. This > > sometimes is long enough to miss a weak one. A checkbox would not only > > make it faster, but it would encourage using that mode for those who > > are still learning FT8 operation. > > > > 73, > > Frank > > KF6E > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > > > > ___ > wsjt-devel mailing list > wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel > ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] Suggestion for Additional Checkbox
On 21/04/2019 18:38, Frank Kirschner wrote: As I pointed out, it wouldn't clutter the screen. There is ample room for several more checkboxes. Frank, that is not correct, there are other controls that are not always visible. Here is a view of the UI design file that shows what is really there: 73 Bill G4WJS. ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] Suggestion for Additional Checkbox
On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 10:53 PM WB5JJJ wrote: > F/H is not something you would normally select on a frequent basis, > Yes it is. I mostly do DX hunting, and around 10 to 15% of my QSOs have been in F/H mode. Normally, I never respond to CQs from band-entities that I already have confirmed on LoTW. If someone calls me while I'm working DX, I will respond, but that requires turning off F/H mode before doing so. A checkbox would make that easier. I certainly select or unselect F/H mode more often than Hold Tx Freq or Call 1st, and there are checkboxes for those. > so a check box cluttering the main screen is not necessary. > As I pointed out, it wouldn't clutter the screen. There is ample room for several more checkboxes. > > As previously suggested setting a Configuration for that mode (and others) > are just 2 clicks away and totally customizable. This procedure is > outlined in the User Manual. It's simple and effective. > > Yes, that's an adequate workaround. But there are several selections available on the screen that I don't normally change, and these could be accessed through different configurations. Yet, they are on the main screen. It's just a difference in operating style. > WB5JJJ - George > It was just a suggestion. Some people are not open to suggestions. Thanks for your input. 73, Frank KF6E > > On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 7:44 PM Frank Kirschner > wrote: > >> Good idea. I'm not familiar enough with the program to have thought of >> that. Thanks. >> >> 73, >> Frank >> KF6E >> >> On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 6:16 PM N3SL wrote: >> >>> Just a suggestion - works for me: Create a F/H "configuration" and >>> toggle to it. Two mouse clicks. >>> >>> On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 4:50 PM Frank Kirschner < >>> frank.kirsch...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Between the Hold Tx Freq checkbox and the Call 1st checkbox, there is room for several more checkboxes. One I would suggest is Fox/Hound mode. I would also suggest this automatically set Split to either Rig or Fake It, which could be selected somewhere else. If the menus are turned off, it takes a while to turn them on and navigate to the correct spot to set fox/hound and split mode. This sometimes is long enough to miss a weak one. A checkbox would not only make it faster, but it would encourage using that mode for those who are still learning FT8 operation. 73, Frank KF6E ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel >>> ___ >> wsjt-devel mailing list >> wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel >> > ___ > wsjt-devel mailing list > wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel > ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] Suggestion for Additional Checkbox
> On Apr 20, 2019, at 15:46, Frank Kirschner wrote: > > Between the Hold Tx Freq checkbox and the Call 1st checkbox, there is room > for several more checkboxes. One I would suggest is Fox/Hound mode. I would > also suggest this automatically set Split to either Rig or Fake It, which > could be selected somewhere else. First, why turn menus off? But, even if they are off, F2 brings up the config window immediately. Re F/H mode, it should never come up because F/H, otherwise known as DXpedition mode, is NEVER supposed to be used in the same band segment as general QSOs. If someone is using it in the normal segment, boycott them. You should have a configuration specifically for DXpedition mode so that everything normally used there is pre-set, including the frequency of the Expedition. > If the menus are turned off, it takes a while to turn them on and navigate to > the correct spot to set fox/hound and split mode. This sometimes is long > enough to miss a weak one. A checkbox would not only make it faster, but it > would encourage using that mode for those who are still learning FT8 > operation. To have a simple check box on the main screen would make it make it even easier to abuse and use it for non-expeditions. Gary - AG0N ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] Suggestion for Additional Checkbox
Or just hit F2 and you are one or two mouse clicks away... 73 -Jim NU0C On Sat, 20 Apr 2019 21:48:03 -0500 WB5JJJ wrote: > F/H is not something you would normally select on a frequent basis, so a > check box cluttering the main screen is not necessary. > > As previously suggested setting a Configuration for that mode (and others) > are just 2 clicks away and totally customizable. This procedure is > outlined in the User Manual. It's simple and effective. > > WB5JJJ - George > > On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 7:44 PM Frank Kirschner > wrote: > > > Good idea. I'm not familiar enough with the program to have thought of > > that. Thanks. > > > > 73, > > Frank > > KF6E > > > > On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 6:16 PM N3SL wrote: > > > >> Just a suggestion - works for me: Create a F/H "configuration" and > >> toggle to it. Two mouse clicks. > >> > >> On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 4:50 PM Frank Kirschner < > >> frank.kirsch...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> Between the Hold Tx Freq checkbox and the Call 1st checkbox, there is > >>> room for several more checkboxes. One I would suggest is Fox/Hound mode. I > >>> would also suggest this automatically set Split to either Rig or Fake It, > >>> which could be selected somewhere else. > >>> > >>> If the menus are turned off, it takes a while to turn them on and > >>> navigate to the correct spot to set fox/hound and split mode. This > >>> sometimes is long enough to miss a weak one. A checkbox would not only > >>> make > >>> it faster, but it would encourage using that mode for those who are still > >>> learning FT8 operation. > >>> > >>> 73, > >>> Frank > >>> KF6E > >>> ___ > >>> wsjt-devel mailing list > >>> wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel > >>> > >> ___ > > wsjt-devel mailing list > > wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel > > ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] Suggestion for Additional Checkbox
There is already a F/H mode, safely placed where it can't be accidentally checked as the old VHF contest box (at least I believe it was the VHF contest) was at one point. The suggestion has been to clone your current FT8 configuration, and set up the frequencies in that clone to the DXPedition frequencies. All you have to do is switch to that configuration, and you're already set to go. However, if you're talking about being able to switch because you see what looks like F/H in the standard FT8 frequencies, its not WSJT-X DXPedition mode, but another program using the FT8 sources for encode/decode but a different 'multi-thread' mode that does NOT block out the standard frequencies. I would not want to see such a change as it then rewards bad behavior (IMHO). Neil, KN3ILZ On 4/20/2019 5:46 PM, Frank Kirschner wrote: Between the Hold Tx Freq checkbox and the Call 1st checkbox, there is room for several more checkboxes. One I would suggest is Fox/Hound mode. I would also suggest this automatically set Split to either Rig or Fake It, which could be selected somewhere else. If the menus are turned off, it takes a while to turn them on and navigate to the correct spot to set fox/hound and split mode. This sometimes is long enough to miss a weak one. A checkbox would not only make it faster, but it would encourage using that mode for those who are still learning FT8 operation. 73, Frank KF6E --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] Suggestion for Additional Checkbox
F/H is not something you would normally select on a frequent basis, so a check box cluttering the main screen is not necessary. As previously suggested setting a Configuration for that mode (and others) are just 2 clicks away and totally customizable. This procedure is outlined in the User Manual. It's simple and effective. WB5JJJ - George On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 7:44 PM Frank Kirschner wrote: > Good idea. I'm not familiar enough with the program to have thought of > that. Thanks. > > 73, > Frank > KF6E > > On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 6:16 PM N3SL wrote: > >> Just a suggestion - works for me: Create a F/H "configuration" and >> toggle to it. Two mouse clicks. >> >> On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 4:50 PM Frank Kirschner < >> frank.kirsch...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Between the Hold Tx Freq checkbox and the Call 1st checkbox, there is >>> room for several more checkboxes. One I would suggest is Fox/Hound mode. I >>> would also suggest this automatically set Split to either Rig or Fake It, >>> which could be selected somewhere else. >>> >>> If the menus are turned off, it takes a while to turn them on and >>> navigate to the correct spot to set fox/hound and split mode. This >>> sometimes is long enough to miss a weak one. A checkbox would not only make >>> it faster, but it would encourage using that mode for those who are still >>> learning FT8 operation. >>> >>> 73, >>> Frank >>> KF6E >>> ___ >>> wsjt-devel mailing list >>> wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel >>> >> ___ > wsjt-devel mailing list > wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel > ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
Re: [wsjt-devel] Suggestion for Additional Checkbox
Good idea. I'm not familiar enough with the program to have thought of that. Thanks. 73, Frank KF6E On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 6:16 PM N3SL wrote: > Just a suggestion - works for me: Create a F/H "configuration" and toggle > to it. Two mouse clicks. > > On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 4:50 PM Frank Kirschner > wrote: > >> Between the Hold Tx Freq checkbox and the Call 1st checkbox, there is >> room for several more checkboxes. One I would suggest is Fox/Hound mode. I >> would also suggest this automatically set Split to either Rig or Fake It, >> which could be selected somewhere else. >> >> If the menus are turned off, it takes a while to turn them on and >> navigate to the correct spot to set fox/hound and split mode. This >> sometimes is long enough to miss a weak one. A checkbox would not only make >> it faster, but it would encourage using that mode for those who are still >> learning FT8 operation. >> >> 73, >> Frank >> KF6E >> ___ >> wsjt-devel mailing list >> wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel >> > ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
[wsjt-devel] Suggestion for Additional Checkbox
Between the Hold Tx Freq checkbox and the Call 1st checkbox, there is room for several more checkboxes. One I would suggest is Fox/Hound mode. I would also suggest this automatically set Split to either Rig or Fake It, which could be selected somewhere else. If the menus are turned off, it takes a while to turn them on and navigate to the correct spot to set fox/hound and split mode. This sometimes is long enough to miss a weak one. A checkbox would not only make it faster, but it would encourage using that mode for those who are still learning FT8 operation. 73, Frank KF6E ___ wsjt-devel mailing list wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/wsjt-devel
