Re: Xquartz (non-) usability. Drawing speed. Startup etc

2020-01-04 Thread Cheng-Yang Tan via X11-users 
 FYI, at least for me, a clean install of X11 doesn't work/start properly. I 
had to install Xquartz first and then install X11. Once that is done, only X11 
needs to be run.
Unfortunately, on Catalina, local xterms just doesn't work properly and I have 
an activation/focus problem with X11 on Catalina as well (see my previous pos). 
On the bright side, I've not had problems with remotely opened X programs from 
Linux boxes.
YMMV
cytan
On Saturday, January 4, 2020, 01:02:29 PM CST, Ken Preslan via X11-users 
 wrote:  
 
 Yes, it's a version of X11 from x.org.

You install Macports then you do a "port install xorg-server".  That puts
an X11.app into /Applications/MacPorts.  You can double click it or drag
it to your dock and click it there.  It's just like the one installed by
XQuartz.

You want to make sure /opt/local/bin and /opt/local/sbin are in your path,
as that's where the the X11 apps (xterm, xclock, etc) are stored.


On Sat, Jan 04, 2020 at 07:28:04PM +0100, Filhol Alain via X11-users wrote:
> When you speak of a MacPort version of X11, is it this one 
> > ?
> I am new at MacPorts and I am not sure I understand how to use it. 
>     port info xorg-apps
> If I install this port, does it gives a X11.app similar to Quartz.app ? Shall 
> I activate it through a Terminal command ?
> "Description: This package builds all of the x.org  app 
> packages.” but this does not say where they are installed and how to use them.
> 
> I think that Apple should support XQuartz and developers should complain 
> about it.
> 
> Happy new year
> Alain
> 
> 
> > On 4 Jan 2020, at 10:21, Ken Preslan via X11-users 
> > mailto:x11-users@lists.apple.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > Try the xorg-server-1.18 MacPort instead of the default xorg-server port.
> > There was a speed regression from 1.18 to 1.20.  It's still not nearly
> > as fast as XQuartz was before Yosemite, though.
> > 
> > At times, I wonder how hard it would be to change MacPorts' "vnc" port to
> > start compiling the VNC/X11 server.  (Right now it only compiles the
> > client.)  If that could be made to work, you could use a native MacOS
> > VNC client to connect to it.  You'd have something that would run X11
> > apps on the Mac which would be lighter weight than a VM and much faster
> > than XQuartz.  You'd think that the work involved would be much smaller
> > than the "XtoQ in libxcwm" fix to XQuartz.
> > 
> > I've never gotten around to trying it though.
> > 
> > 
> > On Sat, Jan 04, 2020 at 08:34:32AM +, Gunning, James (Energy, Clayton 
> > North) via X11-users wrote:
> >> Hi All,
> >>    I'm running Xquartz from the Macports build on High Sierra.
> >> Lots of things don't really work well
> >> 1)  I have to run /opt/local/bin/Xquartz manually from a terminal, then 
> >> start quartz-wm from the
> >> xterm it fires up. The  Applications/Macports/X11.app just bounced 
> >> endlessly.
> >> 2) Even when up, the drawing/rendering speed makes all X11 apps unusably 
> >> slow.
> >> See https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/issues/188 
> >> 
> >> Since X11 is my workhorse, this makes the whole OSX+X11 platform 
> >> experience rather
> >> unworkable for me. I've taken to running linux via a VM on OSX - at least 
> >> the X11 works well, but it's a heavyweight solution.
> >> It seems to me that without a fix this disqualifies OSX as a platform for 
> >> people who depend on the huge legacy set of X11 codes.
> >> 
> >> Are other people as plagued by these issues as well. Is there any hope of 
> >> remediation for Xquartz
> >> or substitute/workaround people know of?
> >> 
> >> Best wishes
> >>        James.
> >> 
> 
> 
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Re: cmd-tilde is not alt-tilde post catalina

2019-12-15 Thread Cheng-Yang Tan via X11-users 
 This is very weird. I just tried both cmd tilde and alt tilde on Mojave and 
focus change with both methods work. But both methods do *not* work on 
Catalina. alt-tilde shows "~" on the commandline on the xterm in Catalina.
And on Catalina, from my previous post, also do not get any focus change with 
Spotlight but does with alt-tab. Very weird.
cytan


On Sunday, December 15, 2019, 05:48:36 AM CST, Lars-Johan Liman via 
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 Hi Egan,

x11-users@lists.apple.com:
> I just "upgraded" to Catalina today. Post upgrade I cannot use cmd-~
> (tilde) to bounce around the focus. alt-~ (tilde) works. Any other Mac
> app works with cmd-~. Muscle memory prefers cmd-~. Others see this?

I have seen similar change of behaviour in Emacs for MaxOSX* which I'm a
dedicated user of, but it happened when I moved from Sierra to Mojave
(IIRC) (note: skipping High Sierra in the path, again IIRC).

I dug real deep into this, and what I found was utterly perplexing. The
codes send by the keyboard hand been swapped right to left, so that
augmenting keys on the left (e.g., Option-Left) was suddenly sending key
codes for the ones on the right (e.g., Option-Right), and vice versa,
which obviously sent Emacs off the rails in a jiffy.

I have sent a bug report about this to Apple, but, alas, I have heard
nothing back.

I wonder if something happened again (going back go normal?) with
Catalina. I haven't tested it yet, so I don't know.

I hope this helps further debugging. You could test, e.g., using the
debugging tool "xev" that will show you the exact X11 events sent to the
app for mouse movements and clicks, and keyboard key presses and
releases, including key symnbols.

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Catalina: Weird context switching problem with xquartz (and x11)

2019-11-28 Thread Cheng-Yang Tan via X11-users 
Hi guys,   This is a very weird problem that I've never seen. I am migrating 
from my MacBook Pro 15 running Mojave to my new MacBook Pro 16 running 
Catalina. 
On Catalina, I have installed both Xquartz and X11 (1.20.6 using MacPorts). I 
have found that Xquartz (or X11) cannot context switch context with either 
Spotlight or clicking on its icon in its original directory, for example 
clicking on the icon in Applications/MacPorts/X11 does activate X11 on the 
menubar. The only way to activate Xquartz (or X11) is to click on the Xquartz 
(or X11) icon on the DOCK.

Summary of actions on Catalina:  (1) Start Xquartz or X11.  (2) Xquartz (or 
X11) icon appears in DOCK.  (3) X11 appears on menubar  (4) Switch away to some 
other app.  (5) Try switching back using Spotlight. Spotlight finds Xquartz (or 
X11) but menubar does not switch context to show Xquartz (or X11) menubar.  (6) 
Try switching back by clicking on original icon that is in 
Applications/Utilities/Xquartz (or Applications/MacPorts/X11), menubar does not 
switch context to show Xquartz (or X11) menubar.  (7) Clicking on Xquartz (or 
X11) icon in DOCK switches context successfully. XQuartz (or X11) menubar 
appears.
I have never seen this problem prior to Catalina. I have not seen any other app 
behave this way as well on Catalina.
This Xquartz and X11 is a complete fresh install and so is there some security 
switch that I need to throw to allow the correct context switching for Xquartz? 
Has anyone seen this as well? Catalina bug?
Thanks (and Happy Thanksgiving!)
cytan







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