Re: [Xastir] OSM

[Jason Rausch]

Kurt,

I don't want to hijack your thread, but did you do anything special to get OSM 
going?  I have the latest version installed, but I cannot get the OSM option to 
index under the map list.  I have tried indexing the entire map list over and 
over.  No luck so far.

Thanks!
Jason Rausch - KE4NYV
RPC Electronics, LLC
www.rpc-electronics.com


--- On Wed, 7/21/10, Kurt Savegnago  wrote:

> From: Kurt Savegnago 
> Subject: [Xastir] OSM
> To: "Xastir - APRS client software discussion" 
> Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 6:01 PM
> WOW,
> 
>   Tiger maps gone and OSM in.  I kinda like
> them.  Using 1.9.9 on a Slack
> 13.1 I built all the options in to Xastir except AX.25 and
> GPSMAN stuff.
> Using pre-built stuff for the Festival Speech Synthesis
> when I want voice.
> Nice job developers!
> 
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Re: [Xastir] Installing latest on hardy?

[Lee Bengston]

On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Jim  wrote:
> Thanks for the info on ax25.  I was able to (I think) get it connected to my
> modem.  Have no idea if it's working yet, but at least it put the tnc into
> kiss mode.  Have no idea how to test it yet, but that's not why I'm  writing
> this.
>
> I downloaded the latest source and did the bootstrap.sh and configure steps.
>  In the INSTALL file, there are only two manditory dependencies.  I have
> satisfied both of them and the ./configure command kicked out some warnings
> but completed.  However the make failed almost immediately.  Should this
> work on Ubuntu 8.04?
> Thanks,
> Jim.

I would follow the Installation Notes for Ubuntu 8.04 - available at this link:

http://www.xastir.org/wiki/HowTo:Ubuntu_8.10

Lee - K5DAT
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[Xastir] OSM

[Kurt Savegnago]

WOW,

  Tiger maps gone and OSM in.  I kinda like them.  Using 1.9.9 on a Slack
13.1 I built all the options in to Xastir except AX.25 and GPSMAN stuff.
Using pre-built stuff for the Festival Speech Synthesis when I want voice.
Nice job developers!

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Re: [Xastir] Installing latest on hardy?

[Curt, WE7U]

On Wed, 21 Jul 2010, Jim wrote:

Thanks for the info on ax25.  I was able to (I think) get it connected to my 
modem.  Have no idea if it's working yet, but at least it put the tnc into 
kiss mode.


Are you sure about that last?  Typically you have to put the TNC
into KISS mode on your own via a terminal program.


I downloaded the latest source and did the bootstrap.sh and configure steps. 
In the INSTALL file, there are only two manditory dependencies.  I have 
satisfied both of them and the ./configure command kicked out some warnings 
but completed.  However the make failed almost immediately.  Should this work 
on Ubuntu 8.04?


Without any indication of the error message we're in the dark as to
what to tell you.

Have you seen the HOWTO documents specific to various Ubuntu flavors
on the www.xastir.org web pages?  I'd suggest following those as
many have come before you and succeeded with that method.

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Re: [Xastir] Installing latest on hardy?

[Dick Repasky]

Jim,

 xastir199-2010-Jul-16.tgz compiles fine for me on an up-to-date Ubuntu 8.04
box. (I do not configure for kernel AX25 or use festival and do use everything
else.)

Can you post the error?

Dick, KC9JLU

Jim wrote:
> Thanks for the info on ax25.  I was able to (I think) get it connected
> to my modem.  Have no idea if it's working yet, but at least it put the
> tnc into kiss mode.  Have no idea how to test it yet, but that's not why
> I'm  writing this.
> 
> I downloaded the latest source and did the bootstrap.sh and configure
> steps.  In the INSTALL file, there are only two manditory dependencies. 
> I have satisfied both of them and the ./configure command kicked out
> some warnings but completed.  However the make failed almost
> immediately.  Should this work on Ubuntu 8.04?
> Thanks,
> Jim.
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[Xastir] Installing latest on hardy?

[Jim]

Thanks for the info on ax25.  I was able to (I think) get it connected 
to my modem.  Have no idea if it's working yet, but at least it put the 
tnc into kiss mode.  Have no idea how to test it yet, but that's not why 
I'm  writing this.


I downloaded the latest source and did the bootstrap.sh and configure 
steps.  In the INSTALL file, there are only two manditory dependencies.  
I have satisfied both of them and the ./configure command kicked out 
some warnings but completed.  However the make failed almost 
immediately.  Should this work on Ubuntu 8.04? 


Thanks,
Jim.
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Re: [Xastir] ax.25

[Chris]

If you use linux, disable avahid when you bring up your packet
interface if it's not a dedicated box.

On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Curt, WE7U  wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Jul 2010, Jason KG4WSV wrote:
>
>> If it's in a linux/xastir context, this frequently refers to the ax.25
>> kernel support available in linux.  Since the ax.25 protocol _is_
>> networking, some linux hams hacked out a network interface driver and
>> added it to the kernel, where all network interfaces belong.  The
>> result is that you can hit the network stack on a single interface
>> (i.e. radio/TNC) from multiple applications and the kernel will handle
>> things so that the applications don't step on each other.
>
> Roger.  You also have to watch out for applications that send out
> broadcasts or queries to ALL network interfaces, because as soon as
> you implement an AX.25 kernel networking interface they'll start
> talking out that interface too.  Samba will do this, but there are
> others.  You can fix this with firewall settings or usually within
> the individual app's configs.
>
>
>> The other way to interface is the same way windows and macs do - the
>> kernel provides a serial interface (RS232) to the TNC, and the
>> application implements the entire ax.25 stack.  This makes it
>> difficult to impossible to share a TNC among multiple applications.
>
> We have a Soundcard HOWTO and an AX.25 HOWTO on the Xastir Wiki
> pages, in case you decide to try one of those.
>
> It is nice to be able to share a frequency among several apps.  I'm
> running a TNC-X (KISS-only TNC) with AX.25 kernel networking at home
> for Xastir and igating.  I could throw Digi_NED on there too if I
> wanted full-fledged digipeating.  At the same time I could do a
> telnet, ftp, or ssh session to others on RF.
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Re: [Xastir] ax.25

[Curt, WE7U]

On Wed, 21 Jul 2010, Jason KG4WSV wrote:


If it's in a linux/xastir context, this frequently refers to the ax.25
kernel support available in linux.  Since the ax.25 protocol _is_
networking, some linux hams hacked out a network interface driver and
added it to the kernel, where all network interfaces belong.  The
result is that you can hit the network stack on a single interface
(i.e. radio/TNC) from multiple applications and the kernel will handle
things so that the applications don't step on each other.


Roger.  You also have to watch out for applications that send out
broadcasts or queries to ALL network interfaces, because as soon as
you implement an AX.25 kernel networking interface they'll start
talking out that interface too.  Samba will do this, but there are
others.  You can fix this with firewall settings or usually within
the individual app's configs.



The other way to interface is the same way windows and macs do - the
kernel provides a serial interface (RS232) to the TNC, and the
application implements the entire ax.25 stack.  This makes it
difficult to impossible to share a TNC among multiple applications.


We have a Soundcard HOWTO and an AX.25 HOWTO on the Xastir Wiki
pages, in case you decide to try one of those.

It is nice to be able to share a frequency among several apps.  I'm
running a TNC-X (KISS-only TNC) with AX.25 kernel networking at home
for Xastir and igating.  I could throw Digi_NED on there too if I
wanted full-fledged digipeating.  At the same time I could do a
telnet, ftp, or ssh session to others on RF.

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Re: [Xastir] ax.25

[Jason KG4WSV]

On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Jim  wrote:
> I often see instructions that mention two different options to perform
> various tasks.  One involves ax.25.

If it's in a linux/xastir context, this frequently refers to the ax.25
kernel support available in linux.  Since the ax.25 protocol _is_
networking, some linux hams hacked out a network interface driver and
added it to the kernel, where all network interfaces belong.  The
result is that you can hit the network stack on a single interface
(i.e. radio/TNC) from multiple applications and the kernel will handle
things so that the applications don't step on each other.

The other way to interface is the same way windows and macs do - the
kernel provides a serial interface (RS232) to the TNC, and the
application implements the entire ax.25 stack.  This makes it
difficult to impossible to share a TNC among multiple applications.

-Jason
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Re: [Xastir] ax.25

[Chris]

ax.25 pretty much *is* packet radio.

What you see I suspect is the options for what/how is performing as
your interface.

You can use a hardware TNC, you can use a hardware TNC in KISS mode,
you can use soundcard modems, you can use userspace soundcard
software, kernel based ax.25, AGWPE soundcard in Windows etc.

You basically generate the tones, listen for the tones and key the
transmit when needed.  The variations above all do it, just in
different ways.  So you have options to configure in Xastir depending
on what it's connected to.

On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Jim  wrote:
> I often see instructions that mention two different options to perform
> various tasks.  One involves ax.25.  Is there a preferred method?  Is there
> an advantage to using ax.25?  Are there limitations wrt the tnc or modem one
> uses?
>
> Can someone point me to a discussion on the differences?
>
> Thanks,
> Jim.
>
> Not running anything at this time, but waiting to get a couple of antennas
> up.
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[Xastir] ax.25

[Jim]

I often see instructions that mention two different options to perform 
various tasks.  One involves ax.25.  Is there a preferred method?  Is 
there an advantage to using ax.25?  Are there limitations wrt the tnc or 
modem one uses?


Can someone point me to a discussion on the differences?

Thanks,
Jim.

Not running anything at this time, but waiting to get a couple of 
antennas up.


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[Xastir] Fwd: [Ubuntu-hams-devel] [Bug 608083] [NEW] ax25-apps need old-style pty

[David Aitcheson]

FYI Developer people!


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Subject: [Ubuntu-hams-devel] [Bug 608083] [NEW] ax25-apps need old-style pty
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Public bug reported:

Binary package hint: ax25-apps

ax25-apps (0.0.6-16.1 on Ubuntu Lucyd) need old style pty to work in
some configuration.

See Bug #608080 for detailed description

** Affects: ax25-apps (Ubuntu)
    Importance: Undecided
        Status: New

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[Xastir] Fwd: [Ubuntu-hams-devel] [Bug 608080] [NEW] ax25-tools need old-style pty

[David Aitcheson]

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Subject: [Ubuntu-hams-devel] [Bug 608080] [NEW] ax25-tools need old-style pty
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Public bug reported:

Binary package hint: ax25-tools

Current version of ax25-tools (0.0.8-13.1ubuntu1) need old-style pty
to work in particullary configuration.
On Ubuntu Lucid old-style pty are default disabled so is necessary to
add something like pty.legacy_count=15 on grub kernel parameters.

Installation script has to add utomatically this parameter or, best
thing, ax25-tools need to be updated to latest versione so it could use
Unix98 pty.

Last release of ax25-tools could be found here:
http://www.linux-ax25.org/wiki/Main_Page

or here:
http://f6bvp.free.fr/logiciels/ax25/

** Affects: ax25-tools (Ubuntu)
    Importance: Undecided
        Status: New

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Bug description:
Binary package hint: ax25-tools

Current version of ax25-tools (0.0.8-13.1ubuntu1) need old-style pty
to work in particullary configuration.
On Ubuntu Lucid old-style pty are default disabled so is necessary to
add something like pty.legacy_count=15 on grub kernel parameters.

Installation script has to add utomatically this parameter or, best
thing, ax25-tools need to be updated to latest versione so it could
use Unix98 pty.

Last release of ax25-tools could be found here:
http://www.linux-ax25.org/wiki/Main_Page

or here:
http://f6bvp.free.fr/logiciels/ax25/



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Re: [Xastir] Digipeating with Xasir - How?

[Curt, WE7U]

On Wed, 21 Jul 2010, David Maydew wrote:


I'm trying to set Xastir 1.9.9 up as a Digipeater, but I'm having no
luck.  I'm using a Siskin Tiny-2 TNC, and have got Xastir to see it in
Serial Kiss mode, but it just sits there and receives and transmits
nothing. What am I doing wrong?


The TNC itself needs to be in KISS mode, then either:

*) Xastir needs to be set up to use a Serial KISS TNC interface to
talk to it, or

*) AX.25 networking needs to be set up so that the OS knows how to
use the port as a networking port, then Xastir needs to have an
AX25 TNC port set up to talk to it.

Once you have Xastir transmitting/receiving the KISS packets to/from
the TNC, you can enable the "Digipeat?" box on the interface to get
Xastir to digipeat packets that have an unused WIDE1-1 field in the
next available digipeater field.

If you pick option #2 above then you can set up Digi_NED against the
same port, leave digipeating in Xastir OFF, and have much better
digipeating capabilities than Xastir will ever have.  We only
implemented fill-in digi capability in Xastir by design.

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[Xastir] Digipeating with Xasir - How?

[David Maydew]

Hi There,
I'm trying to set Xastir 1.9.9 up as a Digipeater, but I'm having no
luck.  I'm using a Siskin Tiny-2 TNC, and have got Xastir to see it in
Serial Kiss mode, but it just sits there and receives and transmits
nothing. What am I doing wrong?

Many thanks in advance for any info.

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Re: [Xastir] CVS tracked files

[Curt, WE7U]

On Wed, 21 Jul 2010, Jon K Hellan wrote:


xastir keeps .cvsignore files inside CVS. Are they out of date?
For what it's worth, the only '?' I get is 'build'.


You probably haven't run ./bootstrap.sh in a while then.

BTW:  I just updated a couple of the .cvsignore files and a build in
a fresh directory and then a "cvs -f -n -q update" yields no
question marks now.

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Re: [Xastir] CVS tracked files

[Curt, WE7U]

On Wed, 21 Jul 2010, Jon K Hellan wrote:


xastir keeps .cvsignore files inside CVS.


Yea, I put most (maybe all?) of them in there originally.



Are they out of date?
For what it's worth, the only '?' I get is 'build'.


Could be.  I get maybe a hundred of them, which is probably why I
didn't notice a few new ones.  I have a lot of bits and pieces extra
in my build directory here after 11 years of messing around with it.

I'll try a fresh checkout in another directory and see if I can
clean up the .cvsignore files a bit.

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Re: [Xastir] CVS tracked files

[Jon K Hellan]

Curt, WE7U wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Jul 2010, Tom Russo wrote:
> 
>> You can eliminate this kind of thing by doing an out-of-source build
>> instead
>> of an in-source build --- that way your CVS checkout is always
>> pristine and
>> generated files are always placed elsewhere.
> 
> You can also add the filenames that you don't want CVS to look at to
> the ".cvsignore" file in each directory, one filename per line.  If
> there's not a .cvsignore file where you need one you can create it
> with an editor.
> 

xastir keeps .cvsignore files inside CVS. Are they out of date?
For what it's worth, the only '?' I get is 'build'.

Jon LA4RT
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