[Xastir] Online Maps selections needing attention before next release.

2014-06-10 Thread David A Aitcheson
Okay everyone; we have a release about to drop and we might as well FIX
SOME PROBLEMS that have languished way to long!

Specifically some of the online map .geo files that are built in to
the program that DO NOT work; such as:

Online/CanadaTopo250k  (currently only a
placeholderfile in /usr/local/share/xastir/maps)
Online/CanadaTopo50k   (currently only a
placeholderfile in /usr/local/share/xastir/maps)
Online/OSM_tiled_osmarender
Online/OSM_tiled_skiing
Online/OSM_tiled_topOSM_0_relief
Online/OSM_tiled_topOSM_1_contour
Online/OSM_tiled_topOSM_2_features
Online/TXRadar(points to
http://mesonet.tamu.edu which appears to be abandoned)
Online/USRadar (points to
http://mesonet.tamu.edu which appears to be abandoned)
Online/WMSRadar(points to
http://mesonet.tamu.edu which appears to be abandoned)
Online/terraserver-reflectivity(currently only a
placeholderfile in /usr/local/share/xastir/maps)
Online/terraserver-topo(currently only a placeholder
file in /usr/local/share/xastir/maps)
Online/terraserver-urban   (currently only a placeholder
file in /usr/local/share/xastir/maps)
Online/terraserver (currently only a placeholder
file in /usr/local/share/xastir/maps)

I remember a discussion thread that some of the OSM_tiled_* are
possibly no longer available from a while ago; should we consider
dropping those map geo files from the source and thus clean up the
maps presentation view for newer and future users?

The same should be considered for all of the Placeholder .geo files
and the MesoNet related Radar.geo files in my opinion.

Others have proposed fixes to the missing radar screen availability that
do work and are acceptable IMO. In the case of Online/USRadar the patch
on SourceForge presented by Kevin Otte N8VNR (see
http://sourceforge.net/p/xastir/patches/3/) works 'FB' on V2.0.5 as does
a large group of files created/modified by Kevin W Paetzold K1KWP that
allows one to select any individual Radar site. I have lost track of
where I got those files for the moment but am still researching.

73
Dave
KB3EFS

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Re: [Xastir] Online Maps selections needing attention before next release.

2014-06-10 Thread Lee Bengston
On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 6:56 PM, David A Aitcheson david.aitche...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Okay everyone; we have a release about to drop and we might as well FIX
 SOME PROBLEMS that have languished way to long!

 Specifically some of the online map .geo files that are built in to
 the program that DO NOT work; such as:

 Online/CanadaTopo250k  (currently only a
 placeholderfile in /usr/local/share/xastir/maps)
 Online/CanadaTopo50k   (currently only a
 placeholderfile in /usr/local/share/xastir/maps)
 Online/OSM_tiled_osmarender
 Online/OSM_tiled_skiing
 Online/OSM_tiled_topOSM_0_relief
 Online/OSM_tiled_topOSM_1_contour
 Online/OSM_tiled_topOSM_2_features
 Online/TXRadar(points to
 http://mesonet.tamu.edu which appears to be abandoned)
 Online/USRadar (points to
 http://mesonet.tamu.edu which appears to be abandoned)
 Online/WMSRadar(points to
 http://mesonet.tamu.edu which appears to be abandoned)
 Online/terraserver-reflectivity(currently only a
 placeholderfile in /usr/local/share/xastir/maps)
 Online/terraserver-topo(currently only a placeholder
 file in /usr/local/share/xastir/maps)
 Online/terraserver-urban   (currently only a placeholder
 file in /usr/local/share/xastir/maps)
 Online/terraserver (currently only a placeholder
 file in /usr/local/share/xastir/maps)

 I remember a discussion thread that some of the OSM_tiled_* are
 possibly no longer available from a while ago; should we consider
 dropping those map geo files from the source and thus clean up the
 maps presentation view for newer and future users?

 The same should be considered for all of the Placeholder .geo files
 and the MesoNet related Radar.geo files in my opinion.


​I agree - also the 4 non-tiled geo's starting with online_osm​_cloudemade
- I understand cloudemade is no more.  The non-functioning choices have
been that way for quite a while now, so IMO they might as well be deleted.

Regards,
Lee - K5DAT
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Re: [Xastir] Installation Notes for Ubuntu 14.04

2014-06-10 Thread W. T. Jones
The battle wasn't with Xastir at all. Just the dependency problems and
flying blind while fixing them. I used the previous update scripts as a
guide and eventually it all worked.

Right now I am using it to something a bit unorthodox. My friend is a
ship's master and he is uses HF APRS. I have Xastir tracking him (ya, I
know it could be done with aprs.fi but where's the challenge) as his cargo
ship moves around the world. Right now he is in harbor in Israel.

So I guess you could say it is working.

OH, the move was from 12.04 LTS to 14.04 so that might have been part of
the issue causing source.

Thanks again.

Regards,

W.T.

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user. Theodore Roosevelt - An Autobiography, 1913
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of them - Sorry I don't know who said it but I like it.
If the Mountain was smooth then you couldn't climb it.
Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist
the black flag, and begin slitting throats. H.L. Menckin


On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Lee Bengston lee.bengs...@gmail.com wrote:

 In theory it should not have been much of a battle - there is hardly any
 difference between 13.10 and 14.04 from a building Xastir perspective.
 Glad to hear you had it working.

 Lee - K5DAT
  On Jun 6, 2014 8:28 PM, W. T. Jones wn3...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hey Lee,
 
  I fought my way through it while the list was down. It does work just
 fine.
 
  Now that your scripts are out I'll go back and do it right.
 
  Many thanks
 
 
  Regards,
 
  W.T.
 
  Never be afraid to try something new. Remember, amateurs built the ark;
  professionals built the Titanic. -- Anonymous
  A vote is like a rifle: its usefulness depends upon the character of the
  user. Theodore Roosevelt - An Autobiography, 1913
  If you don't stand behind our troops, please feel free to stand in front
  of them - Sorry I don't know who said it but I like it.
  If the Mountain was smooth then you couldn't climb it.
  Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist
  the black flag, and begin slitting throats. H.L. Menckin
 
 
  On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 10:32 PM, Lee Bengston lee.bengs...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
   Now that the site is back...
  
   http://www.xastir.org/index.php/HowTo:Ubuntu_14.04
  
   It includes the script that can automatically download and build Xastir
  via
   CVS.
  
  
   Lee - K5DAT
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Re: [Xastir] Online Maps selections needing attention before next release.

2014-06-10 Thread David A Aitcheson

On 06/10/2014 05:45 PM, Lee Bengston wrote:

 On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 6:56 PM, David A Aitcheson
 david.aitche...@gmail.com mailto:david.aitche...@gmail.comwrote:

 Okay everyone; we have a release about to drop and we might as
 well FIX
 SOME PROBLEMS that have languished way to long!

 Specifically some of the online map .geo files that are built in to
 the program that DO NOT work; such as:

   Online/CanadaTopo250k   (currently only
 aplaceholderfile in /usr/local/share/xastir/maps)
   Online/CanadaTopo50k(currently only
 aplaceholderfile in /usr/local/share/xastir/maps)
   Online/OSM_tiled_osmarender
   Online/OSM_tiled_skiing
   Online/OSM_tiled_topOSM_0_relief   
   Online/OSM_tiled_topOSM_1_contour  
   Online/OSM_tiled_topOSM_2_features 
   Online/TXRadar  (points
 tohttp://mesonet.tamu.eduwhich appears to be abandoned)
   Online/USRadar  (points
 tohttp://mesonet.tamu.eduwhich appears to be abandoned)
   Online/WMSRadar (points
 tohttp://mesonet.tamu.eduwhich appears to be abandoned)
   Online/terraserver-reflectivity (currently only
 aplaceholderfile in /usr/local/share/xastir/maps)
   Online/terraserver-topo (currently only a
 placeholderfile in /usr/local/share/xastir/maps)
   Online/terraserver-urban(currently only a
 placeholderfile in /usr/local/share/xastir/maps)
   Online/terraserver  (currently only a
 placeholderfile in /usr/local/share/xastir/maps)

 I remember a discussion thread that some of the OSM_tiled_* are
 possibly no longer available from a while ago; should we consider
 dropping those map geo files from the source and thus clean up the
 maps presentation view for newer and future users?

 The same should be considered for all of the Placeholder .geo files
 and the MesoNet related Radar.geo files in my opinion.


 I agree - also the 4 non-tiled geo's starting with
 online_osmarender_cloudemade - I understand cloudemade is no more. 
 The non-functioning choices have been that way for quite a while now,
 so IMO they might as well be deleted.

 Regards,
 Lee - K5DAT


On further investigation I agree with Lee K5DAT that the
OSM_cloudmade_*.geo files should also be removed.

Thus, I propose that if no objections are made or solutions are proposed
(other than the Radar solution that I propose below)in the next
approximate 24 hours _DEADLINE BEING 2359 UTC ON 11 JUNE 2014_ that the
following files be stricken from the Xastir CVS tree:

CanadaTopo250k.geo
CanadaTopo50k.geo
OSM_cloudmade_1.geo
OSM_cloudmade_2.geo
OSM_cloudmade_5.geo
OSM_cloudmade_998.geo
OSM_cloudmade_999.geo
OSM_tiled_osmarender.geo
OSM_tiled_skiing.geo
OSM_tiled_topOSM_0_relief.geo
OSM_tiled_topOSM_1_contour.geo
OSM_tiled_topOSM_2_features.geo
terraserver.geo
terraserver-reflectivity.geo
terraserver-topo.geo
terraserver-urban.geo
TXRadar.geo
USRadar.geo
WMSRadar.geo


This leaves us with just two items in the
/usr/local/share/xastir/maps/Online folder on a Linux system.

As a replacement for USRadar.geoI propose the following text for a file
called latest_radaronly.geo

#[latest_radaronly - fixed url from srh.noaa.gov to
radar.weather.gov by K1KWP - 2012-09-12]
#[latest_radaronly - produced from .gfw file by K1KWP - 2006-07-18]
#URL http://www.srh.noaa.gov/ridge/Conus/RadarImg/latest_radaronly.gif
URL http://radar.weather.gov/ridge/Conus/RadarImg/latest_radaronly.gif
TIEPOINT 0 0 -127.6204 50.4066
TIEPOINT 3400 1600 -66.5179 21.6525
IMAGESIZE 3400 1600
REFRESH 720


This geo file is just one of a much larger set of files that have been
created and updated by Kevin W Paetzold K1KWP.

I have this placed in my directory structure at
/usr/local/share/xastir/maps/ridge but it could just as well go in the
/usr/local/share/xastir/maps/Online folder.

Curt, I kindly request that you make these commits once the embargo has
passed and any other updates that Tom Russo has pending are applied
provided his updates are not going to be offset by the updates that I am
proposing.

That is all that I can think of at this time.

73
Dave
KB3EFS


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Re: [Xastir] Online Maps selections needing attention before next release.

2014-06-10 Thread David A Aitcheson
David VK4BDJ

Adding a I-gate function to Xastir would be a [(coding
nightmare)^(Grand-Mal-Epileptic-seizure)] to say the least.

Out of curiosity, which operating system are you using?

73
Dave
KB3EFS


On 06/10/2014 07:16 PM, David wrote:
 Hi.agree that update would be good

 ability to have an included igate that can be configured

 to my knowledge linux only has 3 igate programs worth looking at
 aprsg,aprx2,dixprsthe only one ive got working is aprsgthe
 other two i cant get to work with a AX25 port and a TNC-x...at least i
 havent got the configs correct will keep trying.

 73 David VK4BDJ



 On 10/06/14 08:56, David A Aitcheson wrote:
 Okay everyone; we have a release about to drop and we might as well FIX
 SOME PROBLEMS that have languished way to long!

 Specifically some of the online map .geo files that are built in to
 the program that DO NOT work; such as:

  Online/CanadaTopo250k  (currently only a
  placeholderfile in /usr/local/share/xastir/maps)
  Online/CanadaTopo50k   (currently only a
  placeholderfile in /usr/local/share/xastir/maps)
  Online/OSM_tiled_osmarender
  Online/OSM_tiled_skiing
  Online/OSM_tiled_topOSM_0_relief
  Online/OSM_tiled_topOSM_1_contour
  Online/OSM_tiled_topOSM_2_features
  Online/TXRadar(points to
  http://mesonet.tamu.edu which appears to be abandoned)
  Online/USRadar (points to
  http://mesonet.tamu.edu which appears to be abandoned)
  Online/WMSRadar(points to
  http://mesonet.tamu.edu which appears to be abandoned)
  Online/terraserver-reflectivity(currently only a
  placeholderfile in /usr/local/share/xastir/maps)
  Online/terraserver-topo(currently only a
 placeholder
  file in /usr/local/share/xastir/maps)
  Online/terraserver-urban   (currently only a
 placeholder
  file in /usr/local/share/xastir/maps)
  Online/terraserver (currently only a
 placeholder
  file in /usr/local/share/xastir/maps)

 I remember a discussion thread that some of the OSM_tiled_* are
 possibly no longer available from a while ago; should we consider
 dropping those map geo files from the source and thus clean up the
 maps presentation view for newer and future users?

 The same should be considered for all of the Placeholder .geo files
 and the MesoNet related Radar.geo files in my opinion.

 Others have proposed fixes to the missing radar screen availability that
 do work and are acceptable IMO. In the case of Online/USRadar the patch
 on SourceForge presented by Kevin Otte N8VNR (see
 http://sourceforge.net/p/xastir/patches/3/) works 'FB' on V2.0.5 as does
 a large group of files created/modified by Kevin W Paetzold K1KWP that
 allows one to select any individual Radar site. I have lost track of
 where I got those files for the moment but am still researching.

 73
 Dave
 KB3EFS


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Re: [Xastir] Online Maps selections needing attention before next release.

2014-06-10 Thread Bill Vodall
 Adding a I-gate function to Xastir would be a [(coding
 nightmare)^(Grand-Mal-Epileptic-seizure)] to say the least.

What?   Xastir has had Igate functionality for many years.   Maybe too
much with the ability to talk to any number of servers at the same
time.

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Re: [Xastir] Online Maps selections needing attention before next release.

2014-06-10 Thread Nigel Johnson, MIEEE
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I agree.  I used it quite successfully at ve3id-8 for years until I went with 
aprx to have a command-line interface.

73 de Nigel, ve3id

On 06/10/2014 08:47 PM, Bill Vodall wrote:
 Adding a I-gate function to Xastir would be a [(coding
 nightmare)^(Grand-Mal-Epileptic-seizure)] to say the least.
 
 What?   Xastir has had Igate functionality for many years.   Maybe too
 much with the ability to talk to any number of servers at the same
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Re: [Xastir] Online Maps selections needing attention before next release.

2014-06-10 Thread Lee Bengston
On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 7:16 PM, David djm...@bigpond.com wrote:

 Hi.agree that update would be good

 ability to have an included igate that can be configured

 to my knowledge linux only has 3 igate programs worth looking at
 aprsg,aprx2,dixprsthe only one ive got working is aprsgthe other
 two i cant get to work with a AX25 port and a TNC-x...at least i havent got
 the configs correct will keep trying.

 ​Those are the small programs ideal for running headless.  I've tried
all 3 of them - aprsg is not good as a Tx Igate because it can't be limited
to gate only messages to RF, which is standard.  I like the format of the
text config file for aprsg - may have been a little easier than aprx or
dixprs, but I have been able to get all of them to work.  Dixprs is a bit
tricky when you first try it with AX25 because the ax25 port is referenced
as ax0 or ax1, etc. as the case may be instead of referencing the name
of the ax25 interface in /etc/ax25/axports like other software does.

In Linux, Xastir already supports Igating​, and so does YAAC.  JavAPRSIgate
also runs in Linux, which is an adjunct to javAPRSServr.  Also aprsd works
as an Igate, and APRSIS32 runs fine in wine, so Linux has a lot more
choices than those 3.  I understand DireWolf also can Igate, but I've not
tried it.

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Re: [Xastir] Online Maps selections needing attention before next release.

2014-06-10 Thread David

Hi Lee. i bow to your superior knowledge

i have aprsg running on Ubuntu 14.04 .i have config it to do the 
same as our other local I-gate which is off the air at this time..using 
FT-2800 to TNC-X


it takes messages from APRS-IS and TX to the local APRS repeater
the incoming Igate area is limited to 1300 kms so that i dont flood the 
repeater with too much signals.


I have heard that Xastir can IGATE but have only seen how to configure 
it as a Digipeater...how can Xastir be set up to do what im doing with aprsg


73 David VK4BDJ


On 11/06/14 12:29, Lee Bengston wrote:

On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 7:16 PM, David djm...@bigpond.com wrote:


Hi.agree that update would be good

ability to have an included igate that can be configured

to my knowledge linux only has 3 igate programs worth looking at
aprsg,aprx2,dixprsthe only one ive got working is aprsgthe other
two i cant get to work with a AX25 port and a TNC-x...at least i havent got
the configs correct will keep trying.

​Those are the small programs ideal for running headless.  I've tried

all 3 of them - aprsg is not good as a Tx Igate because it can't be limited
to gate only messages to RF, which is standard.  I like the format of the
text config file for aprsg - may have been a little easier than aprx or
dixprs, but I have been able to get all of them to work.  Dixprs is a bit
tricky when you first try it with AX25 because the ax25 port is referenced
as ax0 or ax1, etc. as the case may be instead of referencing the name
of the ax25 interface in /etc/ax25/axports like other software does.

In Linux, Xastir already supports Igating​, and so does YAAC.  JavAPRSIgate
also runs in Linux, which is an adjunct to javAPRSServr.  Also aprsd works
as an Igate, and APRSIS32 runs fine in wine, so Linux has a lot more
choices than those 3.  I understand DireWolf also can Igate, but I've not
tried it.

Lee - K5DAT
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Re: [Xastir] Online Maps selections needing attention before next release.

2014-06-10 Thread David
Hi Lee...i should have mentioned im using a AX25 tnc port as set out in 
the HowTo:AX25 on the Xastir wiki


David


On 11/06/14 13:56, David wrote:

Hi Lee. i bow to your superior knowledge

i have aprsg running on Ubuntu 14.04 .i have config it to do the 
same as our other local I-gate which is off the air at this 
time..using FT-2800 to TNC-X


it takes messages from APRS-IS and TX to the local APRS repeater
the incoming Igate area is limited to 1300 kms so that i dont flood 
the repeater with too much signals.


I have heard that Xastir can IGATE but have only seen how to configure 
it as a Digipeater...how can Xastir be set up to do what im doing with 
aprsg


73 David VK4BDJ


On 11/06/14 12:29, Lee Bengston wrote:

On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 7:16 PM, David djm...@bigpond.com wrote:


Hi.agree that update would be good

ability to have an included igate that can be configured

to my knowledge linux only has 3 igate programs worth looking at
aprsg,aprx2,dixprsthe only one ive got working is aprsgthe 
other
two i cant get to work with a AX25 port and a TNC-x...at least i 
havent got

the configs correct will keep trying.

​Those are the small programs ideal for running headless. I've tried
all 3 of them - aprsg is not good as a Tx Igate because it can't be 
limited
to gate only messages to RF, which is standard.  I like the format of 
the

text config file for aprsg - may have been a little easier than aprx or
dixprs, but I have been able to get all of them to work.  Dixprs is a 
bit
tricky when you first try it with AX25 because the ax25 port is 
referenced
as ax0 or ax1, etc. as the case may be instead of referencing the 
name

of the ax25 interface in /etc/ax25/axports like other software does.

In Linux, Xastir already supports Igating​, and so does YAAC. 
JavAPRSIgate
also runs in Linux, which is an adjunct to javAPRSServr.  Also aprsd 
works

as an Igate, and APRSIS32 runs fine in wine, so Linux has a lot more
choices than those 3.  I understand DireWolf also can Igate, but I've 
not

tried it.

Lee - K5DAT
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