Re: [Xastir] New user to xastir program

[Curt Mills]

I just forwarded docs.php and changelog.php to the main wiki page as well.
I think that about covers it. The old web pages are no more (except for a
backup I made).


On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 10:08 AM, Curt Mills  wrote:

> On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 1:58 PM, David Ranch  wrote:
>
>>
>> There is lots of flexibility here so you're going to need to read some of
>> the documentation:
>>
>>http://xastir.sourceforge.net/docs.php   (currently pointing to the
>> Sourceforge CVS docs.. needs to goto the Github git version some day)
>>  - see the install guide and the FAQ
>>
>
> Check out http://xastir.sourceforge.net now. Better?
>
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Re: [Xastir] New user to xastir program

[Curt Mills]

On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 1:58 PM, David Ranch  wrote:

>
> There is lots of flexibility here so you're going to need to read some of
> the documentation:
>
>http://xastir.sourceforge.net/docs.php   (currently pointing to the
> Sourceforge CVS docs.. needs to goto the Github git version some day)
>  - see the install guide and the FAQ
>

Check out http://xastir.sourceforge.net now. Better?

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Re: [Xastir] New user to xastir program

[Steve Rogers]

I used xastir with agwpe network to message on 30 m. Ccw aprs was pretty quiet 
at the time.  There is xastir how to on soundmodem that been around along time 
for soundcard packet. Direwolf maybe a good choice as it is current.
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On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 8:14 PM -0500, "Bill Vodall" 
> wrote:

> I was running UZ7HO under wine it worked fine, But I never had a QSO with it
> just used it along with CCW to copy APRS at AX25 also using KISS to talk CCW
> over port 4000.

Did you get to try the SimpleTerm from uz7ho under Linux?   That's the
program that gives terminal functionality as well as YAPP file
transfers.

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Re: [Xastir] New user to xastir program

[Russell Blair]

Hi Bill, No I have not tryed that, at this time I can get both programs 
to work at the same time and doing fine, but in about 3-4hr of running 
the CPU goes to 100% and all comes to a stop. I have to reboot and just 
live with CCW Messenger for now. Thanks to all for the help but I will 
be staying on Linux Mint 18.



Russell NC5O Newbie on this OS


On 8/8/2016 8:14 PM, Bill Vodall wrote:

I was running UZ7HO under wine it worked fine, But I never had a QSO with it
just used it along with CCW to copy APRS at AX25 also using KISS to talk CCW
over port 4000.

Did you get to try the SimpleTerm from uz7ho under Linux?   That's the
program that gives terminal functionality as well as YAPP file
transfers.

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Re: [Xastir] New user to xastir program

[Bill Vodall]

> I was running UZ7HO under wine it worked fine, But I never had a QSO with it
> just used it along with CCW to copy APRS at AX25 also using KISS to talk CCW
> over port 4000.

Did you get to try the SimpleTerm from uz7ho under Linux?   That's the
program that gives terminal functionality as well as YAPP file
transfers.

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Re: [Xastir] New user to xastir program

[Russell Blair]

I was running UZ7HO under wine it worked fine, But I never had a QSO 
with it just used it along with CCW to copy APRS at AX25 also using KISS 
to talk CCW over port 4000.



Russell NC5O




On 8/8/2016 2:50 PM, Bill Vodall wrote:

I used used U7??? Modem with networked agwpe and wine. Basically a experiment 
which I chatted on 30m aprs 800 miles. The modem worked but no waterfall on the 
U7??? Modem.

Direwolf is open source and runs on all platforms.  UZ7HO has a
waterfall but is windows only.

   * https://github.com/wb2osz/direwolf
   * http://uz7.ho.ua/packetradio.htm

Functional use with Xastir should be the same.

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Re: [Xastir] New user to xastir program

[Bill Vodall]

> I used used U7??? Modem with networked agwpe and wine. Basically a experiment 
> which I chatted on 30m aprs 800 miles. The modem worked but no waterfall on 
> the U7??? Modem.

Direwolf is open source and runs on all platforms.  UZ7HO has a
waterfall but is windows only.

  * https://github.com/wb2osz/direwolf
  * http://uz7.ho.ua/packetradio.htm

Functional use with Xastir should be the same.

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Re: [Xastir] New user to xastir program

[Steve Rogers]

I used used U7??? Modem with networked agwpe and wine. Basically a experiment 
which I chatted on 30m aprs 800 miles. The modem worked but no waterfall on the 
U7??? Modem.
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On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 11:45 AM -0500, "David Ranch" 
> wrote:


Hello Steve,

Your email is a bit too vague for me to follow...
> That windows modem works with Xastir under localhost interface. I used it on 
> 30m 300 baud successfully made 2 chats. I couldn't see the waterfall on the 
> program but did work.
Are you talking about the "CCW Messenger" modem?  When you say
"localhost interface", what method are you using to communicate with it
and Xastir:

Serial TNC (in command mode)
Serial KISS TNC
Networked AGWPE

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Re: [Xastir] New user to xastir program

[David Ranch]

Hello Steve,

Your email is a bit too vague for me to follow...

That windows modem works with Xastir under localhost interface. I used it on 
30m 300 baud successfully made 2 chats. I couldn't see the waterfall on the 
program but did work.
Are you talking about the "CCW Messenger" modem?  When you say 
"localhost interface", what method are you using to communicate with it 
and Xastir:


   Serial TNC (in command mode)
   Serial KISS TNC
   Networked AGWPE

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Re: [Xastir] New user to xastir program

[Russell Blair]

Hi David, I got it to work under wine, as well the UZ7HO ax.25 running 
at the same time even it's pushing my PC to 96% usage. But working I'm 
running an AMD 64 bit and Mint 18 2.0 gHz clock and 2 gibit of ram. 
Thanks for all the help..I did have some trouble with the audio setup, 
because I'm using a SignaLink USB as a soundcard.



Thanks Russell NC5O


On 8/8/2016 10:35 AM, Steve Rogers wrote:

That windows modem works with Xastir under localhost interface. I used it on 
30m 300 baud successfully made 2 chats. I couldn't see the waterfall on the 
program but did work.
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On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 5:23 AM -0500, "Russell Blair" 
> wrote:

Hi David, yes I am wanting to get away from Windows. David I'l give that
a try Thanks


Russell NC5O


On 8/7/2016 10:37 AM, David Ranch wrote:

Hey Russell,

I was thinking about this last night and I had a more fundamental
question:  If CCW Messenger works on Windows7 and now you spent the
time to run it on Mint18, what's your main goal here?  Are you trying
to move away from Windows?  Maybe this Messenger program (fully
inclusive soundcard + APRS program) will run ok under Wine.. you'll
have to try it out and find out.  If it doesn't work, you'll have to
take it up with the Wine folks and the Messenger developer.

If your looking to move to a native Linux solution, lists like this
can help.  Good luck!

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Re: [Xastir] New user to xastir program

[Richard Murnane]

Hi Russell,

> 'In God We Trust, God is not Dead he Lives' Will be on every e-mail I send 
> out from now on because, I don't want to lose our right to say it!.

I don’t think you need be concerned, as the First Amendment to the US 
Constitution has guaranteed your right to free speech since 1791 :-)

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Re: [Xastir] New user to xastir program

[David Ranch]

Hey Russell,

I was thinking about this last night and I had a more fundamental 
question:  If CCW Messenger works on Windows7 and now you spent the time 
to run it on Mint18, what's your main goal here?  Are you trying to move 
away from Windows?  Maybe this Messenger program (fully inclusive 
soundcard + APRS program) will run ok under Wine.. you'll have to try it 
out and find out.  If it doesn't work, you'll have to take it up with 
the Wine folks and the Messenger developer.


If your looking to move to a native Linux solution, lists like this can 
help.  Good luck!


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Re: [Xastir] New user to xastir program

[Russell Blair]

Thanks David, for all your help how I need to make up my mind on just 
what I'm going to do about all this info..Thanks



Now I need some coffie to get the day going.

Russell NC5O
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On 8/6/2016 11:20 PM, David Ranch wrote:

Hello Russell,

Well David, What I was doing on my Windows 7, Cross County Wireless 
(CCW) APRS Messager it would APRS signal from HF ( PSK 63-MFSK 16 and 
others) and with the program it would send it to the internet. Also I 
was doing ProPNet on the HF as wellMessager has it TNC , Now 
along with messager I was using UZ7HO program for AX25 in the same 
way, and when Message would tx, so would UZ7HO would to, using Kiss 
port 4000 between the two.


Ok, I've heard of Cross Country Wireless but I've never used it. I 
read up on "Messager" program and it seems to be an all in one digital 
modes + AX.25 + APRS program in one



Now that I can get messager to run wine, but I can get UZ7HO to work 
in wine to 300 buad on HF.  ? will xastir key the Radio using vox.. 
and do APRS Beacon using my location and then,  I have other question 
about Mint18 because I am a newbie on this OS, S I can use all the 
help I can get.


All of my APRS and ProPNet work has been on the HF bands mostly on 30m.


I encourage you to try running native programs and NOT run Wine. 
Giving comparables:


Windows7 : Mint 18
UZ7HO using TCP-KISS : Direwolf using TCP-KISS
CCW Messenger : DIrewolf APRS (sending objects and being an iGate only)
CCW Messenger : Xastir APRS (GUI to show icons on maps, send messages, 
etc)


Beyond that, no one Linux program supports all the modes that CCW 
Messenger *but* you CAN get very close if you run Fldigi for the 
digital modes, link it into Linux's AX.25 stack, and then run programs 
like Xastir.  I've done this very thing and it's written up here: 
http://www.trinityos.com/HAM/CentosDigitalModes/hampacketizing-centos.html#16b.hf-ax25 
.  It's a complex path to get all that going but once done, your setup 
will be able to do what you want and a whole lot more too.


To your other questions:

   - Direwolf DOES support 300BAUD AFSK packet and supports some PSK 
modes but it doesn't support PSK63
 - It does support other modes too: 
https://github.com/wb2osz/direwolf/raw/dev/doc/2400-4800-PSK-for-APRS-Packet-Radio.pdf

   - Fldigi does support PSK63 and many many other modes

   - Xastir doesn't work with the radio, the software TNC does
  - Yes, Direwolf can use VOX but it's best to use serial port 
controlled PTT - page 64 - 
https://github.com/wb2osz/direwolf/raw/dev/doc/User-Guide.pdf


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[David Ranch]

Hello Russell,

Well David, What I was doing on my Windows 7, Cross County Wireless 
(CCW) APRS Messager it would APRS signal from HF ( PSK 63-MFSK 16 and 
others) and with the program it would send it to the internet. Also I 
was doing ProPNet on the HF as wellMessager has it TNC , Now along 
with messager I was using UZ7HO program for AX25 in the same way, and 
when Message would tx, so would UZ7HO would to, using Kiss port 4000 
between the two.


Ok, I've heard of Cross Country Wireless but I've never used it.  I read 
up on "Messager" program and it seems to be an all in one digital modes 
+ AX.25 + APRS program in one



Now that I can get messager to run wine, but I can get UZ7HO to work 
in wine to 300 buad on HF.  ? will xastir key the Radio using vox.. 
and do APRS Beacon using my location and then,  I have other question 
about Mint18 because I am a newbie on this OS, S I can use all the 
help I can get.


All of my APRS and ProPNet work has been on the HF bands mostly on 30m.


I encourage you to try running native programs and NOT run Wine. Giving 
comparables:


Windows7 : Mint 18
UZ7HO using TCP-KISS : Direwolf using TCP-KISS
CCW Messenger : DIrewolf APRS (sending objects and being an iGate only)
CCW Messenger : Xastir APRS (GUI to show icons on maps, send messages, etc)

Beyond that, no one Linux program supports all the modes that CCW 
Messenger *but* you CAN get very close if you run Fldigi for the digital 
modes, link it into Linux's AX.25 stack, and then run programs like 
Xastir.  I've done this very thing and it's written up here: 
http://www.trinityos.com/HAM/CentosDigitalModes/hampacketizing-centos.html#16b.hf-ax25 
.  It's a complex path to get all that going but once done, your setup 
will be able to do what you want and a whole lot more too.


To your other questions:

   - Direwolf DOES support 300BAUD AFSK packet and supports some PSK 
modes but it doesn't support PSK63
 - It does support other modes too: 
https://github.com/wb2osz/direwolf/raw/dev/doc/2400-4800-PSK-for-APRS-Packet-Radio.pdf

   - Fldigi does support PSK63 and many many other modes

   - Xastir doesn't work with the radio, the software TNC does
  - Yes, Direwolf can use VOX but it's best to use serial port 
controlled PTT - page 64 - 
https://github.com/wb2osz/direwolf/raw/dev/doc/User-Guide.pdf


--David
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Re: [Xastir] New user to xastir program

[Russell Blair]

Well David, What I was doing on my Windows 7, Cross County Wireless 
(CCW) APRS Messager it would APRS signal from HF ( PSK 63-MFSK 16 and 
others) and with the program it would send it to the internet. Also I 
was doing ProPNet on the HF as wellMessager has it TNC , Now along 
with messager I was using UZ7HO program for AX25 in the same way, and 
when Message would tx, so would UZ7HO would to, using Kiss port 4000 
between the two.


Now that I can get messager to run wine, but I can get UZ7HO to work in 
wine to 300 buad on HF.  ? will xastir key the Radio using vox.. and do 
APRS Beacon using my location and then,  I have other question about 
Mint18 because I am a newbie on this OS, S I can use all the help I can get.


All of my APRS and ProPNet work has been on the HF bands mostly on 30m.

Thanks  Daivd


Russell NC5O


On 8/6/2016 3:58 PM, David Ranch wrote:


Hello Russell,

It all depends on how you intend to use Xastir:

  - Connected to a radio listening to 144.390 (RF) or just an Internet 
connection
  - If RF, what kind of TNC are you going to use (hardware TNC or a 
software TNC)
  - If a hardware TNC, are you going to run it in command mode or KISS 
mode


There is lots of flexibility here so you're going to need to read some 
of the documentation:


   http://xastir.sourceforge.net/docs.php   (currently pointing to the 
Sourceforge CVS docs.. needs to goto the Github git version some day)

 - see the install guide and the FAQ

I also have a write up here for using with a Kenwood D710 TNC in KISS 
mode with native Linux AX.25 support:
   - 
http://www.trinityos.com/HAM/CentosDigitalModes/hampacketizing-centos.html#19b4.xastir-running


--David
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On 08/06/2016 09:43 AM, Russell Blair wrote:
I just loaded this software in Mint 18 and it loader fine now I need 
to config it to show me other station that are moving around on the 
map. My ham call is NC5O and in Texas, all that was put in the 
config, or maybe I need to ask if the program can show other stations 
moving. ?



Russell NC5O




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Re: [Xastir] New user to xastir program

[David Ranch]

Hello Russell,

It all depends on how you intend to use Xastir:

  - Connected to a radio listening to 144.390 (RF) or just an Internet 
connection
  - If RF, what kind of TNC are you going to use (hardware TNC or a 
software TNC)

  - If a hardware TNC, are you going to run it in command mode or KISS mode

There is lots of flexibility here so you're going to need to read some 
of the documentation:


   http://xastir.sourceforge.net/docs.php   (currently pointing to the 
Sourceforge CVS docs.. needs to goto the Github git version some day)

 - see the install guide and the FAQ

I also have a write up here for using with a Kenwood D710 TNC in KISS 
mode with native Linux AX.25 support:
   - 
http://www.trinityos.com/HAM/CentosDigitalModes/hampacketizing-centos.html#19b4.xastir-running


--David
KI6ZHD


On 08/06/2016 09:43 AM, Russell Blair wrote:
I just loaded this software in Mint 18 and it loader fine now I need 
to config it to show me other station that are moving around on the 
map. My ham call is NC5O and in Texas, all that was put in the config, 
or maybe I need to ask if the program can show other stations moving. ?



Russell NC5O




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[Russell Blair]

I just loaded this software in Mint 18 and it loader fine now I need to 
config it to show me other station that are moving around on the map. My 
ham call is NC5O and in Texas, all that was put in the config, or maybe 
I need to ask if the program can show other stations moving. ?



Russell NC5O


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