[xmail] Re: stopping spam
http://www.hunes.co.jp/oki/xmail_spamc/defaulten.htm I add UML Sequence table (PDF) on my page. It's help for how filter process work. Miyuki-san, I think the translation to PDF uses .jp fonts still, so Gnome PDF cannot show it correctly. Thank you Davide-san again. Now I had changed MS Gothic(Japanease) - TimesNewRoman. orz... - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: stopping spam
Well thank you. I will work on it some more. I have now a filter and tab in place, but it says to be sure that spamd si running and I have no way of knowing how to start it or what not. I have run SpamAssassin with ActivePerl and Spamd.bat (to run is simple. double click from explorer) and xmspamc.exe (without cwgwin) on win2k. Spam filtering process takes many time. so added option -QT 240 to XMailServer. And to enable XMailServer filter's log -Qg option. sample of filter's log below( Rejected Spam ) -- [#7] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] *.*.*.* 211.47.189.62 2005-09-09 15:47:19 in 0 4 c:\usr\perl\bin\xmspamc.exe [#9] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] *.*.*.* 210.150.159.141 2005-09-09 15:43:38 in 0 4 c:\usr\perl\bin\xmspamc.exe -- note: in 0 4 0 means filter successfully finished ( -5 means timeout error ) 4 means message is rejected ( 7 means modified, 0 means do nothing ) http://www.hunes.co.jp/oki/xmail_spamc/defaulten.htm I add UML Sequence table (PDF) on my page. It's help for how filter process work. PS. I'm poor at english. sorry. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: stopping spam
On Fri, 9 Sep 2005, OKI Miyuki wrote: Well thank you. I will work on it some more. I have now a filter and tab in place, but it says to be sure that spamd si running and I have no way of knowing how to start it or what not. ¡¡I have run SpamAssassin with ActivePerl and Spamd.bat (to run is simple. double click from explorer) and xmspamc.exe (without cwgwin) on win2k. Spam filtering process takes many time. so added option -QT 240 to XMailServer. And to enable XMailServer filter's log -Qg option. sample of filter's log below( Rejected Spam ) -- [#7] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] *.*.*.* 211.47.189.62 2005-09-09 15:47:19 in 0 4 c:\usr\perl\bin\xmspamc.exe [#9] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] *.*.*.* 210.150.159.141 2005-09-09 15:43:38 in 0 4 c:\usr\perl\bin\xmspamc.exe -- note: in 0 4 0 means filter successfully finished ( -5 means timeout error ) 4 means message is rejected ( 7 means modified, 0 means do nothing ) http://www.hunes.co.jp/oki/xmail_spamc/defaulten.htm I add UML Sequence table (PDF) on my page. It's help for how filter process work. Miyuki-san, I think the translation to PDF uses .jp fonts still, so Gnome PDF cannot show it correctly. - Davide - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: stopping spam
How does ASSP flake out - I haven't had any problems with ASSP (running on FreeBSD 5.x, anyway). ASSP is the best solution I have found. Jeff Digerati Isabaddass wrote: I am not sure if this got through the first time so here goes again. What can I use that will not cost anything to stop spam at the server? I have tried to work with spamassassin for win32 on win2k and its installed but how do I hook it to xmail? I have also used ASSP and it works for a while then flakes out and will not work properly as a proxy for xmail. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: stopping spam
pft please you think I have not done that already? I have spamassassin installed already. Cant figure out how to hook it to xmail in case you failed to read through my post. Next time link me to something useful other than a google search. Link me direct. On 9/8/05, Sönke Ruempler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 08.09.2005 21:48, Digerati Isabaddass wrote: I am not sure if this got through the first time so here goes again.. What can I use that will not cost anything to stop spam at the server? I have tried to work with spamassassin for win32 on win2k and its installed but how do I hook it to xmail? As usual - google is your friend: http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozclientie=utf-8oe=utf-8q=xmail+spamassassin - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: stopping spam
On 08.09.2005 22:13, Digerati Isabaddass wrote: pft please you think I have not done that already? I have spamassassin installed already. Cant figure out how to hook it to xmail in case you failed to read through my post. Next time link me to something useful other than a google search. Link me direct. Man, I posted the google link cause there a many pages that directly link you to possible solutions: 1. www.xmailserver.org - links to sa-integration solutions 2. www.drakeconsult.com/xmail/ 3. www.hunes.co.jp/oki/xmail_spamc/defaulten.htm (SpamAssassin Filter for Xmail Server (Windows) !) 4. wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/IntegratedInMta [...] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: stopping spam
Yes ASSP was Great to me for the longest time. Then one day we could not send emails they would time out untill I stopped ASSP and ran xmail on its own. I really cant tell whats going on cause all things look good. When it acts up you cant telnet to port 25 without it taking like 90 secs to connect to the mail server. Telnet port 25 assp xmail on port 2526 When you stop assp and run xmail alone it connects like a champ. On 9/8/05, Jeff Buehler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How does ASSP flake out - I haven't had any problems with ASSP (running on FreeBSD 5.x, anyway). ASSP is the best solution I have found.. Jeff Digerati Isabaddass wrote: I am not sure if this got through the first time so here goes again. What can I use that will not cost anything to stop spam at the server? I have tried to work with spamassassin for win32 on win2k and its installed but how do I hook it to xmail? I have also used ASSP and it works for a while then flakes out and will not work properly as a proxy for xmail. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: stopping spam
Well thank you. I will work on it some more. I have now a filter and tab in place, but it says to be sure that spamd si running and I have no way of knowing how to start it or what not. On 9/8/05, Sönke Ruempler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 08.09.2005 22:13, Digerati Isabaddass wrote: pft please you think I have not done that already? I have spamassassin installed already. Cant figure out how to hook it to xmail in case you failed to read through my post. Next time link me to something useful other than a google search. Link me direct. Man, I posted the google link cause there a many pages that directly link you to possible solutions: 1. www.xmailserver.org - links to sa-integration solutions 2. www.drakeconsult.com/xmail/ 3. www.hunes.co.jp/oki/xmail_spamc/defaulten.htm (SpamAssassin Filter for Xmail Server (Windows) !) 4. wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/IntegratedInMta [...] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: stopping spam
On 08.09.2005 22:33, Digerati Isabaddass wrote: Well thank you. I will work on it some more. I have now a filter and tab in place, but it says to be sure that spamd si running and I have no way of knowing how to start it or what not. I have no experiences with windows servers, so the only think I can do is point you to: http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/InstallingOnWindows - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: stopping spam
I have run SpamAssasin on Windows servers (both with ActivePerl and CygWin) and Linux servers. Running SpamAssassin on Linux (or other unix) runs much faster and more reliably than on Windows. I run XMail on a Windows server and SpamAssassin on a Fedora Core 4 server. Works like a charm. I wrote a SpamC filter for Windows XMail Post-Data filter to use. If you are really limited to just one box, then you should try to run SpamAssassin using CygWin so you can make full use of DCC, Pyzor, Razor and such. I still have an out-dated (but useful) page hidden on my server that might help you... http://www.yourtech.net/documents/cw-sa/ I will (someday) write step by step instructions for install XMail for Windows, XMail-WAI (webmail and admin) for Windows, and SpamAssassin for Fedora Core 4. If you do decide to try Fedora Core 4, use YUM to install SpamAssassin. It'll give you a startup script for SpamAssassin and install it as a service. Also note that SpamAssassin doesn't run under root account... you'll need to create an account for it to run under... I named mine spamd Jason J Ellingson -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sönke Ruempler Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 3:43 PM To: xmail@xmailserver.org Subject: [xmail] Re: stopping spam On 08.09.2005 22:33, Digerati Isabaddass wrote: Well thank you. I will work on it some more. I have now a filter and tab in place, but it says to be sure that spamd si running and I have no way of knowing how to start it or what not. I have no experiences with windows servers, so the only think I can do is point you to: http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/InstallingOnWindows - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: stopping spam
On 9/8/2005 5:16 PM Jason J. Ellingson wrote: I have run SpamAssasin on Windows servers (both with ActivePerl and CygWin) and Linux servers. Running SpamAssassin on Linux (or other unix) runs much faster and more reliably than on Windows. I run XMail on a Windows server and SpamAssassin on a Fedora Core 4 server. Works like a charm. I wrote a SpamC filter for Windows XMail Post-Data filter to use. If you are really limited to just one box, then you should try to run SpamAssassin using CygWin so you can make full use of DCC, Pyzor, Razor and such. I still have an out-dated (but useful) page hidden on my server that might help you... http://www.yourtech.net/documents/cw-sa/ I will (someday) write step by step instructions for install XMail for Windows, XMail-WAI (webmail and admin) for Windows, and SpamAssassin for Fedora Core 4. If you do decide to try Fedora Core 4, use YUM to install SpamAssassin. It'll give you a startup script for SpamAssassin and install it as a service. Also note that SpamAssassin doesn't run under root account... you'll need to create an account for it to run under... I named mine spamd Jason J Ellingson To my knowledge (and I have done some searching in the past), no one has developed a decent XMail filter for SpamAssassin in serial mode on Windows. At work I'm forced to run my XMail relay directly on the Exchange server and use Dario's XSpamC to call SpamAssassin on Fedora PPC on a Mac G4. It's been flawless for over a year now. I don't think Digerati is going to find exactly what he's looking for. - Eric - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: stopping spam
I would look more closely at what is causing the problem with ASSP and continue to use that. I like it much better than Spam Assassin myself, at least for use with XMail. It is far more efficient since it handles the SPAM check in the SMTP session then closes it after a specified number of bytes, and it has far more options (RBL, filters, domain blocking, whitelisting, etc.). Jeff Eric Garnice wrote: On 9/8/2005 5:16 PM Jason J. Ellingson wrote: I have run SpamAssasin on Windows servers (both with ActivePerl and CygWin) and Linux servers. Running SpamAssassin on Linux (or other unix) runs much faster and more reliably than on Windows. I run XMail on a Windows server and SpamAssassin on a Fedora Core 4 server. Works like a charm. I wrote a SpamC filter for Windows XMail Post-Data filter to use. If you are really limited to just one box, then you should try to run SpamAssassin using CygWin so you can make full use of DCC, Pyzor, Razor and such. I still have an out-dated (but useful) page hidden on my server that might help you... http://www.yourtech.net/documents/cw-sa/ I will (someday) write step by step instructions for install XMail for Windows, XMail-WAI (webmail and admin) for Windows, and SpamAssassin for Fedora Core 4. If you do decide to try Fedora Core 4, use YUM to install SpamAssassin. It'll give you a startup script for SpamAssassin and install it as a service. Also note that SpamAssassin doesn't run under root account... you'll need to create an account for it to run under... I named mine spamd Jason J Ellingson To my knowledge (and I have done some searching in the past), no one has developed a decent XMail filter for SpamAssassin in serial mode on Windows. At work I'm forced to run my XMail relay directly on the Exchange server and use Dario's XSpamC to call SpamAssassin on Fedora PPC on a Mac G4. It's been flawless for over a year now. I don't think Digerati is going to find exactly what he's looking for. - Eric - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: stopping spam
1) Any docs on how to install SpamAssassin on Windows and don't tell you how to do it via installing CygWin will result in a serial mode SpamAssassin install. No SpamD, no DCC, no Razor, and no Pyzor. 2) Serial mode SpamAssassin is FAR FAR slower than using SpamD (which is a form of SpamAssassin running as a service) and SpamC (the program that talks to the SpamD service). 3) What he wants is CygWin installed, SpamAssassin installed, DCC, installed, Razor installed, Pyzor installed, and SpamD running as a service on the Windows box. 4) Then he needs an actual WINDOWS BINARY XMAIL FILTER to do the function of SpamC, but give error codes and rejection messages compatible with XMail's Post-SMTP filter. (I have one written) So, yes, he can get what he wants but he better have a good CPU and plenty of RAM to handle literally running two operating systems on one machine. hence why I recommend he use two PCs... much faster. Jason J Ellingson -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Garnice Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 7:08 PM To: xmail@xmailserver.org Subject: [xmail] Re: stopping spam To my knowledge (and I have done some searching in the past), no one has developed a decent XMail filter for SpamAssassin in serial mode on Windows. At work I'm forced to run my XMail relay directly on the Exchange server and use Dario's XSpamC to call SpamAssassin on Fedora PPC on a Mac G4. It's been flawless for over a year now. I don't think Digerati is going to find exactly what he's looking for. - Eric - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: stopping spam
ASSP is great and I applaud anyone using it... ASSP is easier to set up and use than SpamAssassin. I won't argue that. However, SpamAssassin offers everything ASSP does and more. In your post: It (ASSP) is far more efficient since it handles the SPAM check in the SMTP session then closes it after a specified number of bytes SpamAssassin does the same. You insert your SpamC filter into Post-SMTP and it will only check messages smaller than a specified size you can set. You can also avoid running the filter for authenticated users (!aex). The filter as well as SpamD has timeouts and triggers to return spam-identified messages instantly when it scores high enough to be spam. It (ASSP) has far more options (RBL, filters, domain blocking, whitelisting, etc.) So does SpamAssassin. You can use all the RBLs you like, enable disable filters to your heart's content, add domains, email addresses, IPs, etc to blacklists, and whitelists. Please, I don't mean to start a flame war. Please read the following which I think is fair: ASSP is great! Simple to install and use - Great for novices and experts alike! SpamAssassin is great! Slightly more powerful, but a lot more work to install and use - Not for novices! Jason J Ellingson -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Buehler Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 7:12 PM To: xmail@xmailserver.org Subject: [xmail] Re: stopping spam I would look more closely at what is causing the problem with ASSP and continue to use that. I like it much better than Spam Assassin myself, at least for use with XMail. It is far more efficient since it handles the SPAM check in the SMTP session then closes it after a specified number of bytes, and it has far more options (RBL, filters, domain blocking, whitelisting, etc.). Jeff Eric Garnice wrote: On 9/8/2005 5:16 PM Jason J. Ellingson wrote: I have run SpamAssasin on Windows servers (both with ActivePerl and CygWin) and Linux servers. Running SpamAssassin on Linux (or other unix) runs much faster and more reliably than on Windows. I run XMail on a Windows server and SpamAssassin on a Fedora Core 4 server. Works like a charm. I wrote a SpamC filter for Windows XMail Post-Data filter to use. If you are really limited to just one box, then you should try to run SpamAssassin using CygWin so you can make full use of DCC, Pyzor, Razor and such. I still have an out-dated (but useful) page hidden on my server that might help you... http://www.yourtech.net/documents/cw-sa/ I will (someday) write step by step instructions for install XMail for Windows, XMail-WAI (webmail and admin) for Windows, and SpamAssassin for Fedora Core 4. If you do decide to try Fedora Core 4, use YUM to install SpamAssassin. It'll give you a startup script for SpamAssassin and install it as a service. Also note that SpamAssassin doesn't run under root account... you'll need to create an account for it to run under... I named mine spamd Jason J Ellingson To my knowledge (and I have done some searching in the past), no one has developed a decent XMail filter for SpamAssassin in serial mode on Windows. At work I'm forced to run my XMail relay directly on the Exchange server and use Dario's XSpamC to call SpamAssassin on Fedora PPC on a Mac G4. It's been flawless for over a year now. I don't think Digerati is going to find exactly what he's looking for. - Eric - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: stopping spam
Ah - I was only referring to a Spam Assassin filter I sued with XMail, and in my case as of about a year ago (the last time I set it up and used it). Glad that it has all of those features now - it didn't that I was aware of then. No danger of flame at all - I like dialog about this stuff - it helps me clarify my own direction and make changes if better options are out there. However, with respect to efficiency, you mention that to use Spam Assassin in these ways requires a significant investment not only time to install, but also in hardware. This is largely what I was referring to when I mentioned ASSP - it is robust, easy to install, extremely powerful and configurable AND there is no reason to run it on separate platform because it isn't a memory or a CPU hog, and it is fast. I have yet to try ALL of the Spam Assassin apps you comment on (SpamC, SPamD, etc.) - when I ran it under FreeBSD it was simply a perl filter in XMail and SpamD running (I vaguely recall RBL through Razor or some name like that). At the time, it was really slow, but there was no SMTP session handling, so I'm glad that has been introduced. In my case, I run ASSP - ClamSMTPD (effective and thorough antivirus) - XMail (and for some clients - Exchange). This has proven to be simple, robust and effective, and I know the Windows implementation is straightforward from the mail list (even though I don't use Windows internally). It sounds like Spam Assassin is a pain under Windows (I find Cygwin to be a bit of a pain myself and try to avoid it - why use it at all for a operate platform - just run Linux or *BSD). So my recommendation still remains ASSP - Digerati has used it, it is easy and works well, so all that is required is finding out why it was failing on his system, which the ASSP mail list would help with quickly. Jeff Jason J. Ellingson wrote: ASSP is great and I applaud anyone using it... ASSP is easier to set up and use than SpamAssassin. I won't argue that. However, SpamAssassin offers everything ASSP does and more. In your post: It (ASSP) is far more efficient since it handles the SPAM check in the SMTP session then closes it after a specified number of bytes SpamAssassin does the same. You insert your SpamC filter into Post-SMTP and it will only check messages smaller than a specified size you can set. You can also avoid running the filter for authenticated users (!aex). The filter as well as SpamD has timeouts and triggers to return spam-identified messages instantly when it scores high enough to be spam. It (ASSP) has far more options (RBL, filters, domain blocking, whitelisting, etc.) So does SpamAssassin. You can use all the RBLs you like, enable disable filters to your heart's content, add domains, email addresses, IPs, etc to blacklists, and whitelists. Please, I don't mean to start a flame war. Please read the following which I think is fair: ASSP is great! Simple to install and use - Great for novices and experts alike! SpamAssassin is great! Slightly more powerful, but a lot more work to install and use - Not for novices! Jason J Ellingson -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Buehler Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 7:12 PM To: xmail@xmailserver.org Subject: [xmail] Re: stopping spam I would look more closely at what is causing the problem with ASSP and continue to use that. I like it much better than Spam Assassin myself, at least for use with XMail. It is far more efficient since it handles the SPAM check in the SMTP session then closes it after a specified number of bytes, and it has far more options (RBL, filters, domain blocking, whitelisting, etc.). Jeff Eric Garnice wrote: On 9/8/2005 5:16 PM Jason J. Ellingson wrote: I have run SpamAssasin on Windows servers (both with ActivePerl and CygWin) and Linux servers. Running SpamAssassin on Linux (or other unix) runs much faster and more reliably than on Windows. I run XMail on a Windows server and SpamAssassin on a Fedora Core 4 server. Works like a charm. I wrote a SpamC filter for Windows XMail Post-Data filter to use. If you are really limited to just one box, then you should try to run SpamAssassin using CygWin so you can make full use of DCC, Pyzor, Razor and such. I still have an out-dated (but useful) page hidden on my server that might help you... http://www.yourtech.net/documents/cw-sa/ I will (someday) write step by step instructions for install XMail for Windows, XMail-WAI (webmail and admin) for Windows, and SpamAssassin for Fedora Core 4. If you do decide to try Fedora Core 4, use YUM to install SpamAssassin. It'll give you a startup script for SpamAssassin and install it as a service. Also note that SpamAssassin doesn't run under root account... you'll need
[xmail] Re: stopping spam
The perl filter you used for *BSD probably used the serial version of SpamAssassin. SpamC is a drop-in replacement for the SpamAssassin calls. SpamD *is* SpamAssassin but running all the time. The slowness you experienced was because SpamAssassin takes a while to load up before running. SpamD is always running, so you avoid the start-up time. SpamAssassin has no SMTP connection. It is still run by passing a file to it (spamc msg.txt). I prefer not to use a relaying spam checker because it can't verify the end user in some configurations (such as the mail server running on a different machine). I'd be happy to help anyone get SpamAssassin up and running so they can compare it to ASSP. I'm most comfortable with setting up SpamAssassin in CygWin for Windows, SuSE Linux 9, and Fedora Core 4, but I think I can help with other configurations. I can help with plugging it into Exchange Server and XMail as native filters, or by using eWall (in line transparent proxy) to allow it to work with mail servers that don't support plug in filters. Jason J Ellingson -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Buehler Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 8:12 PM To: xmail@xmailserver.org Subject: [xmail] Re: stopping spam Ah - I was only referring to a Spam Assassin filter I sued with XMail, and in my case as of about a year ago (the last time I set it up and used it). Glad that it has all of those features now - it didn't that I was aware of then. No danger of flame at all - I like dialog about this stuff - it helps me clarify my own direction and make changes if better options are out there. However, with respect to efficiency, you mention that to use Spam Assassin in these ways requires a significant investment not only time to install, but also in hardware. This is largely what I was referring to when I mentioned ASSP - it is robust, easy to install, extremely powerful and configurable AND there is no reason to run it on separate platform because it isn't a memory or a CPU hog, and it is fast. I have yet to try ALL of the Spam Assassin apps you comment on (SpamC, SPamD, etc.) - when I ran it under FreeBSD it was simply a perl filter in XMail and SpamD running (I vaguely recall RBL through Razor or some name like that). At the time, it was really slow, but there was no SMTP session handling, so I'm glad that has been introduced. In my case, I run ASSP - ClamSMTPD (effective and thorough antivirus) - XMail (and for some clients - Exchange). This has proven to be simple, robust and effective, and I know the Windows implementation is straightforward from the mail list (even though I don't use Windows internally). It sounds like Spam Assassin is a pain under Windows (I find Cygwin to be a bit of a pain myself and try to avoid it - why use it at all for a operate platform - just run Linux or *BSD). So my recommendation still remains ASSP - Digerati has used it, it is easy and works well, so all that is required is finding out why it was failing on his system, which the ASSP mail list would help with quickly. Jeff - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: Stopping spam with the Anti-spam-SMTP-Proxy (ASSP)
Dale Qualls wrote: Is anyone using this with good results? Yes and it is very good However, it takes about a week to make it reliable. Christian Gross - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: Stopping spam with the Anti-spam-SMTP-Proxy (ASSP)
Bayesian filtering is ineffective at the MTA level. There are too many varying definitions of what constitutes spam - there will either be significant false positives, or significant false negatives. I speak from experience here - I implemented an MTA level bayesian filter on my mail server last year. They only possible way to make it work was to have each user able to configure their own spam and ham databases - trying to do it globally just resulted in spam continuing to pour in (or if the algorithm was adjusted to prevent that, lots of bounced legitimate mail). And having individual user databases quickly becomes memory intensive, as these databases have to be scanned for every email received (not to mention having to come up with ways to allow the end user to update their own databases with new spam and ham samples over time). This occurs because while Bob may feel that every marketing mail he receives is spam, Jane really wants to get her lottery newsletters and special offers from her local department stores, but doesn't want the viagra and porn spams, while Ralph really likes the porn spam, but doesn't want the rest. At 08:53 2/10/2004, Edinilson J. Santos wrote: http://assp.sourceforge.net/ Edinilson - ATINET-Professional Web Hosting Tel Voz: (0xx11) 4412-0876 http://www.atinet.com.br --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.580 / Virus Database: 367 - Release Date: 06/02/2004 - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: Stopping spam with the Anti-spam-SMTP-Proxy (ASSP)
Is anyone using this with good results? [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/10/04 07:53AM http://assp.sourceforge.net/=20 Edinilson - ATINET-Professional Web Hosting Tel Voz: (0xx11) 4412-0876 http://www.atinet.com.br=20 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.580 / Virus Database: 367 - Release Date: 06/02/2004 - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[xmail] Re: Stopping spam with the Anti-spam-SMTP-Proxy (ASSP)
Sounds promising. s. Is anyone using this with good results? [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/10/04 07:53AM http://assp.sourceforge.net/=20 Edinilson - I merely function as a channel that filters music through the chaos of noise - Vangelis _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe xmail in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For general help: send the line help in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
