Re: default applications for natty
Hi All, On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Glenn de Groot glenn_de_gr...@hotmail.com wrote: I also think we need to get rid of gimp like ubuntu did. We will probably get a large number of people going with xubuntu instead of ubuntu on april. (Unity...) Gimp is just too advanced, we could use rgbpaint, maybe mtpaint or shotwell. I would be in favor of a switch to Shotwell in place of Gimp, too. People who want to use Gimp could easily install it, but I think Shotwell would provide a slightly better out-of-the-box experience for regular desktop users. It does a good job of managing photos, and provides for basic image editing (e.g., rotate, crop, remove redeye, etc.) It would have an added side-benefit of taking up less space on-disk, too. I did briefly review the strategy document before posting this I didn't find any text that seemed to strongly direct us here. I think making this change would be worth considering, though. Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: default applications for natty
Hi All, On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Charlie Kravetz c...@teamcharliesangels.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 21:09:03 +0200 Eero Tamminen o...@helsinkinet.fi wrote: Hi, On tiistai 11 tammikuu 2011, Pasi Lallinaho wrote: I don't think the strategy document is completely false, but trying to strive for a lower memory footprint is not completely false. I think we just need to find the golden path in between. I am simply looking to see whether or not it is worth changing any default applications. If we are not the lowest memory footprint, but very usable for the consumer, we made the goal. And document better more visible (e.g. in front page) what the balance between these goals means in practice? On tiistai 11 tammikuu 2011, Charlie Kravetz wrote: And, no, we are not interested in throwing out accessibility. Instead, we should be striving to be very accessible. There is a whole market out there that can not use Xubuntu, because accessibility fails for them. Do you have pointers to bugs? Is there a metabug listing all the issues? Yes, that would be the wrong that states: Orca does not work. On tiistai 11 tammikuu 2011, Lionel Le Folgoc wrote: If we want to fix that, we should probably first try to fix this strategy document not to set unreachable objectives with conflicting focuses: either we focus on lightness a la lubuntu, and try to cope with reduced usability/integration, or we continue what we currently do, but we clearly write it in the document (memory footprint is not important), and then we can stop worrying about all these reviews... What about stating (besides the obvious technical detail of using XFce about which most users might not care so much) the goal simply as: Accessible[1][2] and easy to use[2] alternative between Ubuntu/Kubuntu and more limited low-end distributions. [1] especially on lower end and thin client machines which don't have good GL acceleration, now that both Kubuntu and Ubuntu are going to require that. [2] This includes (memory using) stuff inherited from Ubuntu: - autodetection etc for extra hardware like printers, cameras etc. - localization. If you don't understand the language, the stuff isn't accessible nor easy to use. - helpers for disabled users. - Eero Hm, I guess it should be made clear that is has nothing to do with the default applications in Natty at this point. If you wish to discuss the stradegy document, start a new subject. With regards to the memory footprint issue, I think that Charlie and Lionel are correct - having a low memory footprint isn't part of the strategy document. I think I forget that sometimes, and go off of the initial sort of thrust of Xubuntu, which was to be a lighter alternative. I'm not sure that this view is widely known outside of those who have access to the strategy document, though, so perhaps some education / outreach is in order about this. Particularly now that Xfce has a menu that is customizeable and can access remote shares through Thunar . . . Reminding people that Xubuntu is a viable alternate for *any* desktop operating system would be good. Similarly, for the people who gripe about MB's at boot (*cough* *cough* me *cough* *cough*), reminding them of what they get with those MBs (cups, gnome-keyring, etc.) might be worthwhile, too. It is not something I'm asking anyone to do . . . I will probably write about this in the coming week or so. I appreciate everyone's effort on the project, and am thankful for your constructive feedback. Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: html nightly builds
Hi All, On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Charlie Kravetz c...@teamcharliesangels.comwrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 7 Jan 2011 14:54:07 -0600 Dan 'Da Man' heymr...@gmail.com wrote: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Documentation states that nightly html builds are located here, http://doc.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/. Are there in fact nightly builds created and from what branch in launchpad are they created? Is this referring to nightly builds of documentation? Yes, that would be referring to the nightly builds of Docs. Danno, I'd probably recommend asking Matthew East about this on the doc-team mailing list. Thanks! Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Team Reports - July 2010
Thanks, Charlie, On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Charlie Kravetz c...@teamcharliesangels.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Team reports for July 2010 need to updated. So far, we have almost no updates for July. This report is printed in the Ubuntu Weekly News, so let us take the opportunity to say we are alive and doing well. There is always something happening, so let's get it into the report! I did submit a new article to UNW for artwork for Maverick. I also submitted the article to deviantArt. I started an identi.ca account to try and keep things updated to the community at large. We will see how it goes. I am not very good at updating this type of thing. Wish me luck on it, anyway. I will make an effort to keep things rolling. - -- Charlie Kravetz charlie-...@ubuntu.com Interim Xubuntu Project Lead Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] I saw your notice on identi.ca and re-tweeted it. Hopefully we'll get some results out of that. It was a great idea to also get word out to the UNW and deviantArt groups, as well. Thanks for your efforts, Jim P.S. Have you heard about the new Leonardo DiCaprio movie? I think it involves someone trying to steal dreams? It made me think of you. -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: AptURLs don't directly open apturl in Xubuntu
Hi, On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 5:37 AM, Ryan Oram ryano...@trentu.ca wrote: When I run exo-open apt://foo on Xubuntu, by default it opens the default browser instead of AptURL. This is great if Firefox is your default browser, as it will then open AptURL on its own. But if your default browser is Chromium, which uses xdg-open to determine the default application for URIs, an AptURL will just open another instance of Chromium and no package will be installed. I'm looking into making a website for the Ubuntu AppUpdate service and was disappointed to see that Xubuntu doesn't fully support AptURLs, at least not to the same extent as Ubuntu. I looked into trying set exo-open manually and it looks like a fiery undocumented hell, so I was wondering if you guys would know how to fix this. Thanks, Ryan Just checking . . . did you also test this on Chromium on Ubuntu? Might it be a Chromium / Firefox issue, rather than a Xubuntu / Ubuntu issue? Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Unsexy name for remote file systems
On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Jeff jeff.m...@yahoo.co.nz wrote: In the Lucid Lynx Beta2 release notes, it states that Remote Filesystems is now going to be called Gigolo. Could developers please rename Gigolo to Remote File Systems again, because I'm getting sick of open source projects with weird sexual names. We already have an application called GIMP so why make it any worse? Surely there is a dev who has English as a first language, who can spot these things! Evidence of seedyness in the name: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_prostitution http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deuce_Bigalow:_Male_Gigolo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bondage_suit It was actually given that name on purpose. I don't recall the exact quotation, but the dev called it Gigolo because it mounts what you tell it to mount. I had the same kind of reaction when I heard about the name last year, though. Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Taking a break
Hi All, Unfortunately, my present work situation requires that I take a break from contributing to X/Ubuntu docs. I know that this is not an ideal time to be present this situation to Ubuntu doc team, and to the Xubuntu team, but I know it is better to let the group know now than to let things go further. While I can't commit to providing significant content updates at this time, I can assist in getting Xubuntu docs into a workable state for Lucid (Pasi, this would include getting your nifty home page in place), and can also coordinate a hand-off (via IRC meetings or emails) to anyone who would be willing to take over maintaining Xubuntu docs. I've learned a lot as being a part of the doc team, and I thank you all for your time and effort in helping me and in answering my questions. Really, you folks are great. For now, it really is just a work situation that requires my full attention and focus. I hope you all understand. Jim P.S. I like working on documentation, and I want to remain open to contributing to documentation efforts in the future, but I'm not sure when that could be. Please consider this a see you later, rather than a goodbye. If you have any questions for me, please let me know. -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Replacing Firefox with Google Chrome
Hi All, Thanks for your input, and for bringing some of these issues to our attention. I'd like to try and summarize some of the issues and concerns that people have. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 5:31 AM, Marko Oreskovic markore...@gmail.comwrote: Vincent wrote: Also, Chrome extensions aren't yet as powerful, as the Adblock lookalikes for Chrome can't actually block ads from being loaded, just prevent them from being displayed. This exposes you to a lot more scrutiny from advertising companies. Also +1 against Chrome as default anywhere. I use Noscript extension for Firefox and Seamonkey and I mostly could not survive without them with the degree of use I have. (Javascript and flash abuse all over internet is very extensive) Also there is Chromium instead of that Chrome that is Google-controlled. I do not trust Chrome at all. There are many things that Chrome is doing that ordinary browser should not do, regarding user privacy, and is used and could be used to track user on internet: http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron_chrome_vs_iron.php http://maketecheasier.com/iron-browser-a-secure-alternative-to-google-chrome/2009/07/08 I mentioned Google Chrome in the subject of my message, but at this point we would only be considering Chromium. Relating to the srware.net article Marcos linked to above, I think this would have the following implications. Please consider these as comments on the issue, not advocacy of one browser over the other. - Client ID - I don't think this would be relevant, as we would be using an Ubuntu package. I'd be glad to know if my thoughts here are incorrect. - Time Stamp - Same as above. - Suggest - May be an issue, although I think this behavior also occurs with the Firefox searchbar. In a way, the address bar on Chromium is a big searchbar, though. - Alternate error pages - I'm not familiar with this issue. The site says, Depending on configuration . . . Can anyone explain if there is a setting for this? - Error reporting - This is user-configurable, but I will check the default setting for Chromium. - RLZ-tracking - Not sure if this would apply to Chromium, as it is an Ubuntu package, not direct from Google. I'd be glad to know if this does apply to an Ubuntu Chromium package, though. - Google Updater - Not applicable to an Ubuntu Chromium package - URL-Tracker - It's unclear to me what the problem is here (i.e., I can't understand how they've phrased the issue). It sounds like the google home page is opening? But it is dependent on the configuration? Can anyone else explain this? I'll make a few other notes. 1) I checked, and Ubuntu's deal with Yahoo will not impact Chromium (or any other browsers) in X/K/Ubuntu. All other browsers will stay with their default searchbar configurations (as appropriate). Of course, Chromium would default to a Google search, similar to most browsers. 2) With regards to translations, I checked the Chromium's packager, and he said that they would have to bend the Chromium package to get it translatable via Launchpad. Thus, this remains an outstanding issue at this time, and there's no promise that this would be resolved in time for Lucid. 3) I agree about the less powerful adblock extensions, but how many people use these? Is having them available going to impact the core set of Xubuntu users? I am not saying that it absolutely will not impact the core set of Xubuntu users, I am just asking the question. How many Xubuntu users rely on adblock? If there is not a good adblock extension now, will a better adblock extension be possible down the road, or does Chromium's setup prevent something like this from working well? 4) Xubuntu does try to emphasize lightness where possible, and we strive to make Xubuntu usable on systems with less memory. From the Xubuntu strategy document, Xubuntu does not exclusively target users with low, modest, or high powered machines but instead targets the entire spectrum with a strong focus on enabling lower end machines. Xubuntu's extra responsiveness and speed, among other positive traits, can be appreciated by all users regardless of their hardware. Chromium would have a clear advantage here, even compared to FF 3.6. 5) The issue of patented codecs brought up by Andrew Blomen is an interesting one. I agree that we should encourage use of Free codecs where possible. What do people think? Given all of this, I'm not so sure that Chromium is the best fit for Xubuntu, at least for now. The translation issue is important to our users, and the codec issue is important to me. The privacy issue seems important to some, but I tend to think that most anything we do on the internet can be tracked somehow (unless we use the extreme step of using Tor or something). The smaller memory footprint provided by Chromium would be a nice to have feature, but we've survived using Firefox for a good while - using it for a LTS would probably be the best thing to do. Jim --
Re: Replacing Firefox with Google Chrome
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 5:11 PM, David Collins david.8.coll...@gmail.comwrote: Jim, I'll mainly comment on 3) Statistics from the Firefox add-ons site (ordered by popularity) .. #1 *Adblock Plus: 926,549 weekly downloads* #2 Coral IE Tab: 105,047 weekly downloads #3 Download Flash and Video: 60,397 weekly downloads ie. Adblock Plus is very popular (almost 1 million downloads a week) and many times more popular than any other FF add-on. I don't know whether it is used by the core set of Xubuntu users - but, given it's general popularity, it might. Adblock Plus improves responsiveness and speed very significantly on some sites. I feel that Chrome is still an immature product. In a year or 2, it will be more mature and easier to compare against its competition. I think it is good to have it in the Ubuntu repositories, though, so people can try out the Linux version easily and monitor its progress. I will be. Just one opinion. Woo! Constructive opinions and feedback! Thanks, everyone. This is going to be our best release ever. Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
January monthly report
Hi All, If you have a moment, please update the Xubuntu team report for January. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/TeamReports/10/January?action=editeditor=text A sentence or two for anything important would be helpful. Thanks! Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: RE : Re: Add Gnote as a note-taking application
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Steve Dodier sidnio...@gmail.com wrote: Tomboy is mono based and would take quite a lot of room on the cd. just like that, what is the discoverability of the note taking app? How many users know about it? What do xfce note users think about it? I would rather spend time trying to identify and address short comings in the xfce app rather than having another upstream for such a tiny component. Installing Tomboy required 32mb of downloads. I forgot to check the installed disk space, but 32mb is too much. It used ~11.5mb of RAM on startup. I'm not sure what Steve means about discoverability of the Xfce app, but with regards to the shortcomings of the xfce app . . . I don't think it's a bad app. I just think gnote is better. Regarding another upstream . . . I guess that is somewhat of a maintenance issue. I'm not sure how problematic others may find the another upstream to be. Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Add Gnote as a note-taking application
Hi All, I'd like to recommend Gnote as a note-taking application for the Xubuntu default installation. Gnote is an actively maintained C++ ongoing fork of Tomboy. I know that Xfce has a notes plugin, but the functionality of Gnote is much better. Here's information on the Lucid package: http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/gnote Here's information on the software itself: http://live.gnome.org/Gnote Commit info to show maintenance: http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnote/ I am not necessarily recommending it for the default panel installation, but just to be included. I've used it extensively from within Xubuntu Karmic and have been very impressed with how it works. It does not require the xfapplets plugin to appear in the notification area. What do you think? Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Add Gnote as a note-taking application
On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Charlie Kravetz c...@teamcharliesangels.com wrote: On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:48:13 -0600 Jim Campbell jwcampb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I'd like to recommend Gnote as a note-taking application for the Xubuntu default installation. Gnote is an actively maintained C++ ongoing fork of Tomboy. I know that Xfce has a notes plugin, but the functionality of Gnote is much better. Here's information on the Lucid package: http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/gnote Here's information on the software itself: http://live.gnome.org/Gnote Commit info to show maintenance: http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnote/ I am not necessarily recommending it for the default panel installation, but just to be included. I've used it extensively from within Xubuntu Karmic and have been very impressed with how it works. It does not require the xfapplets plugin to appear in the notification area. What do you think? Jim I personally install tomboy on all my systems. I tend to use it for a lot of notes. Is it possible to port the tomboy notes to gnote? Do I lose any functionality? Charlie, Tomboy notes can be imported into and opened in Gnote. I'll provide further info about the other differences tonight. Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Add Gnote as a note-taking application
Hey All, On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Radomir Dopieralski xubu...@sheep.art.plwrote: On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 10:26 PM, Jim Campbell jwcampb...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Charlie Kravetz c...@teamcharliesangels.com wrote: On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:48:13 -0600 Jim Campbell jwcampb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I'd like to recommend Gnote as a note-taking application for the Xubuntu default installation. Gnote is an actively maintained C++ ongoing fork of Tomboy. I know that Xfce has a notes plugin, but the functionality of Gnote is much better. Here's information on the Lucid package: http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/gnote Here's information on the software itself: http://live.gnome.org/Gnote Commit info to show maintenance: http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnote/ I am not necessarily recommending it for the default panel installation, but just to be included. I've used it extensively from within Xubuntu Karmic and have been very impressed with how it works. It does not require the xfapplets plugin to appear in the notification area. What do you think? Jim I personally install tomboy on all my systems. I tend to use it for a lot of notes. Is it possible to port the tomboy notes to gnote? Do I lose any functionality? Charlie, Tomboy notes can be imported into and opened in Gnote. I'll provide further info about the other differences tonight. Sorry for adding to the confusion, but I wanted to point out that zim is also a very nice note-taking application. Others can feel free to chime in with their thoughts, but here is a rundown on some of the different options for note applications: == Xfce4-notes-plugin: + After ~20 min of use uses 4mb of writeable memory + Can be set to sit in the panel + Easy to add notes and change between notes - Can't create notebooks (sets of notes around a topic) - Can't search notes - Can't link between notes == Gnote ~ After ~20 minutes of use, uses about 6.5 mb of writeable memory ~ Can sit in the notification area . . . not sure how it can be set to go there all the time, or if the user would need to launch it each time + Easy to add notes and change between notes + Can create notebooks, search between notes + Easy to link between notes, output to HTML, + Can import tomboy notes + several other plugins == Zim - Confusing start up UI - Uses 9.2mb of writeable memory on startup + Seems pretty powerful if you are familiar with how to use it. + The Sheep likes it +-x2 - I didn't really spend much time using it after the somewhat confusing UI at startup. This is a note taking application. It will not make users switch from Windows. But Gnote has pretty much all the features of Tomboy (just a few releases behind), and can provide good note-taking functionality with a minimal memory penalty compared to xfce4-notes-plugin. Your friend, Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Replacing Firefox with Google Chrome
Hi All, I wanted to suggest to the team that we switch from using Firefox to Google Chrome as the default web browser for the Lucid release. At UDS the Ubuntu Mobile team lead announced that they would be switching to Google Chrome as the primary browser for the Lucid release for the Ubuntu Netbook edition. Most all developers at UDS were using Chrome, and in informal tests Cody and I found it to use much less writeable memory than Firefox. For example, the other night, I started two new browser sessions - one with Firefox and one with Google's Chrome Beta (not Chromium), and opened up four tabs: - Xubuntu.org - Gmail - Opennebula.org - and search.yahoo.com All browser extensions were removed (not just disabled). Without doing any additional surfing, Firefox was using 55 mb of writeable memory*, while Chrome was using only 18 mb of writeable memory. I've been using Chrome as my default browser since UDS, and notice no performance issues. It also offers a wide range of browser extensions, so it would not represent any major regression in terms of features. Besides, any user who wanted to install Firefox could easily do so. With regards to the packaging, I'm sure we could tie-in with any final packages that the mobile team wound up using (I'm not sure whether they intend to use Chrome or Chromium). Chrome will certainly be receiving support throughout the LTS life cycle. I know that Charlie had said that switching browsers for an LTS wouldn't be a great idea, but given the points I've mentioned above, it seems one worth considering. What do you think? Jim * I checked this using the system resources app. As Cody noted to me, you need to make sure you're looking at writeable memory rather than the default memory usage that gets displayed. -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Replacing Firefox with Google Chrome
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Pasi Lallinaho o...@knome.fi wrote: Dave Morley wrote: Jim out of curiosity what does epiphany use in comparison? Or midori. We would have to look at those, but given the lack of extensions and keyboard shortcuts for Epiphany, and the newness of Midori (have you tried opening gmail in Midori? It reverts to the standard-html gmail interface, and requiring sites to interface with Midori as if they were interfacing with Safari shouldn't be something we should go with for an LTS). I don't mean that as a knock against Midori. I have the Midori PPA installed, and use it with some frequency. It's under really active development, and it is a great project, but I don't think it would be ready for use as the default browser in a release. Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Replacing Firefox with Google Chrome
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) jonat...@ubuntu.com wrote: HI Jim On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Jim Campbell jwcampb...@gmail.com wrote: I know that Charlie had said that switching browsers for an LTS wouldn't be a great idea, but given the points I've mentioned above, it seems one worth considering. What do you think? I also use Chrome/ium and performance-wise it's much better even on my fast machines. It doesn't seem to be in main or universe yet though, which I'm quite sure would be a prerequisite for getting it in Xubuntu. Did they perhaps also discuss a roadmap for its inclusion at UDS? -Jonathan Hi Jonathan, It looks as though they are targeting Alpha3 for inclusion in the archives. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-lucid-arm-lightweightbrowser https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DiscussionArmLightweightBrowser Although the notes are ARM-specific, could anyone tell me if Chromium would be built only for ARM? I assume that it would be built for all architectures at the same time. Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Replacing Firefox with Google Chrome
On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Kaspar Kööp meb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Just to clarify... are we talking about google chrome, or chromium? As i understand they are 2 different things. Since LL will be a LTS release, maybe we shouldn't include beta software. Best, Kaspar It looks like the mobile team is considering Chromium, so we would go with what they choose. With regards to the beta status, keep in mind that Ubuntu included betas for Firefox 3.0 in the Hardy Heron release because they knew that it was advantageous to them, the betas were stable enough for initial use, and they knew that the 3.0 release would be well-supported well throughout the 8.04 LTS life cycle. Because the mobile team is going to include Chromium, we can know that it will receive updates throughout the 10.04 LTS life cycle, too. Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Xubuntu team meeting - Sunday, January 10 at 20:00 UTC
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Cody A.W. Somerville cody-somervi...@ubuntu.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Jim Campbell jwcampb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Folks, Based on responses, it looks like everyone who responded to the meeting-time poll can attend a meeting this Sunday, January 10th, at 20:00 UTC. To check this time in your local time zone, see the fixed-time world clock link [1]. I've added the meeting to both the team calendar and the fridge calendar. Thanks, Cody! As a reminder, the current strategy document is up on the wiki - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/StrategyDocument Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Xubuntu team meeting (response needed)
Hi All, We have 5 responses to the meeting page thus far. http://www.doodle.com/6stt9n2q7t9467q5 Lionel, would this Sunday (the last time available) work for you? This Sunday, January 10, is looking to be our best option, but please respond if you haven't yet indicated your availability. Thanks! Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Xubuntu team meeting - Sunday, January 10 at 20:00 UTC
Hi Folks, Based on responses, it looks like everyone who responded to the meeting-time poll can attend a meeting this Sunday, January 10th, at 20:00 UTC. To check this time in your local time zone, see the fixed-time world clock link [1]. I have set up a draft agenda on the wiki [2], but please add agenda items. Also, if there are items that you would like to discuss as part of the meeting, and you think it would be helpful to have us discuss them in advance of the meeting, too, feel free to mention them as replies to this thread. Thanks, everyone. I'm sure this will be the best Xubuntu team meeting ever. Jim [1] http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=1day=10year=2010hour=14min=0sec=0p1=64 [2] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Xubuntu team direction
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 2:46 AM, Pasi Lallinaho o...@knome.fi wrote: Now, where did this discussion go? It appears as though it went on vacation. It has to come back to work eventually, though! People seemed to like the council-type approach; what's next? I think it would be a good idea to revisit the document that Cody put together and see how it would need to be modified to suit a council-type approach. I can give this a try. I'll let the group know if I have questions as I put things together. Anybody has obejctions? Should we first propose this to the Community Council (or some place else) or just take the new governance into use? Once that is done, I think we should have a meeting to approve it. We could at least have that as an agenda item for our meeting (which we need to have anyway). I think that there is a general consensus around this for now, but we should formalize it. Cody, can you be our link to the other councils or whatever, as you seem to know them best? If we all approve of the change as a group, I think we could forward it on to the council so that they know what we're doing, but I am not so sure it would require their seal of approval. As long as we are comfortable with what we're doing, I think the community council would be ok with it. Ultimately, I don't think it will make a huge difference in how we operate as long as things get done. What's the situation with the technical team leadership? Cody, Lionel? I think we still need to address this. What's the situation with Michael? Can we remove Joszef's name from the leaders list - he's still not appeared from the mist. I don't know what the situation is with Michael. As for Joszef, I am of the opinion that we could remove his name from the leaders list. If he wanted to come back and contribute more, he would be welcome to do so. To make Lucid be as good and stable as possible, I think we also should have a developer meeting soonish. If we can get the governance things sorted before or while the meeting, GREAT! I agree! I've put together a doodle poll to check everyone's availability for a team meeting. Please record what times will work for you using the link below. Hopefully the times will work for people, but I can set up new times if I've picked times that don't work for your corner of the world. Keep in mind that this will be the best Xubuntu team meeting ever. http://www.doodle.com/6stt9n2q7t9467q5 Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Xubuntu team direction
On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Jim Campbell jwcampb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 7:51 AM, Pasi Lallinaho o...@knome.fi wrote: Steve Dodier wrote: I agree with Pasi that Xubuntu may benefit from a multiple leaders board. A single leader system too often, in my opinion, gave the impression that it was Cody against the others when Cody was disagreeing on something with the rest of the team, because it's hard to know if its the project lead or the developer who disagrees. Having a more equal system would probably help avoiding such bizarre situations. This being said, I'm willing to take absolutely no responsibilities of any sort. :) I have enough work with my school, so all the free time I put into FOSS will go to Shimmer projects (which yet match quite a few projects used in Xubuntu, so I may not be competely useless :p). This should not restrict me from babbling all over IRC and the mailing list, though. As I'm the Shimmer Project leader, some of my time will go there as well. Again, we work on such things that help Xubuntu go forward as well, but somebody (Lionel :P) probably has to do more work to get the stuff into Xubuntu. Yeah, this is a big concern for me. Cody has access and knowledge that few people have. Lionel already does a lot (a lot!) of work himself. What can we do to find other people who can assist in this area? I'd personally love to see Cody, Pasi, Jim and Lionel (and Vincent?) as that leaders council. You guys are the guys who get the work done, and you all have a long experience with Xubuntu. Well, referring to the current leaders table [1], I'm suggesting this board could consists 6 people rather than the 4 (5) you suggested, adding Charlie to the list. I'd really love to see his experience on the council and even see him taking a bit bigger role and shouting out a bit louder :) What comes to Joszef, I really haven't seen him active since I joined as the Marketing Lead, so I really can't recommend him to join as the seventh member. I'd also like to say that new contributors or people who want to contribute should not bother too much about the leadership thing. Everyone is welcome in Xubuntu, and if you have feedback about what you feel held or slowed you down from contributing, or about how to make you feel more welcome in our little community, feel free to tell it. I like this attitude. :) Exactly. Wherever our council meetings will happen, anybody is free to join and tell their opinions as well. The whole progress should be as transparent as possible. [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Leaders It seems like most people are open to a council-type approach in terms of governance (if that's the right word). It also seems like we would still need someone who can manage the seeds alongside Lionel, and perhaps do some development, too. I'm not sure what all is involved in what Cody has done, to be honest, but we will need to find a person or (perhaps more likely) a couple people who can contribute in a technical manner similar to how has been able to contribute. I wouldn't expect anyone to perform those kind of duties right away, but . . . eventually . . . they could grow into those kind of responsibilities. I know what I'm proposing above isn't terribly formal, but I'm on visiting the neighbouring city of Milwaukee this weekend, and wanted to provide some input on this matter for now. :) Jim Cody and Lionel, what areas do you think you could use the most support? Is it in bug triage? Is it in development, packaging and patching? Is it in managing the seeds? There may be Xubuntu users or MOTU folks who we could recruit based on a specific need. I know that recruiting new contributors is difficult (particularly skilled ones) but identifying particular areas where we need the most development help would at least give us a chance. Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Xubuntu team direction
Hi all, On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 7:51 AM, Pasi Lallinaho o...@knome.fi wrote: Steve Dodier wrote: I agree with Pasi that Xubuntu may benefit from a multiple leaders board. A single leader system too often, in my opinion, gave the impression that it was Cody against the others when Cody was disagreeing on something with the rest of the team, because it's hard to know if its the project lead or the developer who disagrees. Having a more equal system would probably help avoiding such bizarre situations. This being said, I'm willing to take absolutely no responsibilities of any sort. :) I have enough work with my school, so all the free time I put into FOSS will go to Shimmer projects (which yet match quite a few projects used in Xubuntu, so I may not be competely useless :p). This should not restrict me from babbling all over IRC and the mailing list, though. As I'm the Shimmer Project leader, some of my time will go there as well. Again, we work on such things that help Xubuntu go forward as well, but somebody (Lionel :P) probably has to do more work to get the stuff into Xubuntu. Yeah, this is a big concern for me. Cody has access and knowledge that few people have. Lionel already does a lot (a lot!) of work himself. What can we do to find other people who can assist in this area? I'd personally love to see Cody, Pasi, Jim and Lionel (and Vincent?) as that leaders council. You guys are the guys who get the work done, and you all have a long experience with Xubuntu. Well, referring to the current leaders table [1], I'm suggesting this board could consists 6 people rather than the 4 (5) you suggested, adding Charlie to the list. I'd really love to see his experience on the council and even see him taking a bit bigger role and shouting out a bit louder :) What comes to Joszef, I really haven't seen him active since I joined as the Marketing Lead, so I really can't recommend him to join as the seventh member. I'd also like to say that new contributors or people who want to contribute should not bother too much about the leadership thing. Everyone is welcome in Xubuntu, and if you have feedback about what you feel held or slowed you down from contributing, or about how to make you feel more welcome in our little community, feel free to tell it. I like this attitude. :) Exactly. Wherever our council meetings will happen, anybody is free to join and tell their opinions as well. The whole progress should be as transparent as possible. [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Leaders It seems like most people are open to a council-type approach in terms of governance (if that's the right word). It also seems like we would still need someone who can manage the seeds alongside Lionel, and perhaps do some development, too. I'm not sure what all is involved in what Cody has done, to be honest, but we will need to find a person or (perhaps more likely) a couple people who can contribute in a technical manner similar to how has been able to contribute. I wouldn't expect anyone to perform those kind of duties right away, but . . . eventually . . . they could grow into those kind of responsibilities. I know what I'm proposing above isn't terribly formal, but I'm on visiting the neighbouring city of Milwaukee this weekend, and wanted to provide some input on this matter for now. :) Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Xubuntu team direction
Hi All, Although I was only there for two of the days, and Cody was sick for one of those two days, Cody and I we were able to meet during UDS, and talk about possible plans for the 10.04 release of Xubuntu. Of course we talked about some of the regular topics (and I'll have a separate email about those), but I wanted to separate out a key component of our plans from any discussions about regular distro-related issues. Specifically, we need to talk about team leadership and team member roles. As you know, after several releases as the project lead for Xubuntu, Cody wants to step down and assume the role of a regular contributor. I spoke briefly with Daniel Holbach while at UDS, and the community council would prefer that we attempt to come to a decision as a group instead of just bringing the matter to the community council. It makes sense, as we should be self-directed rather than dependent on an outside group to come to a decision that we may not like (and that may not work for us). With that, it's really up to us to decide how we handle the transition. Do we want to continue to have a singular project leader? If so, what responsibilities would that entail, and who could that be? If we choose not to go that route, or if no one wishes to assume that role, could a group of people assume particular leadership roles? What could this look like? We need to decide this as a community, so please share your thoughts. What would be best for Xubuntu? What would you like to see? What concerns do you have, and how could those concerns be addressed? What role(s) would you be willing and able to assume? Feel free to share any other questions or thoughts. Thanks very much, Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Congrats! 9.10 rocks
Thanks, Kaspar! On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Kaspar Kööp meb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, 9.10 has been the best experience of xubuntu to date! Just to let you know that there is one VERY happy user here :) Best to all, m I want to give a special round of thanks to Lionel for all of his patching, packaging, and bug work, and to SiDi and Pasi for all of their comprehensive working and reworking of the artwork pieces. Please forgive me if I'm missing some folks. The work of these folks really stands out to me on this release. To me, the changes with upstart to speed booting, improvements to video drivers, xplash/usplash to get a nice graphical look, the metacity-free xubuntu-branded new GDM, and the gtk theme work really helped to make this a sharp, well-integrated release. This was especially good considering that we used Xfce 4.6.1+, which was mostly the same as what we had in Jaunty. Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Xubuntu website for 9.10
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Vincent mailingli...@vinnl.nl wrote: Could you ask him to have it point to http://xubuntu.org/news/karmic/release? That's where we usually put them. (And I hope I'll publish it on time.) Done! -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Xubuntu website for 9.10
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Cody A.W. Somerville cody-somervi...@ubuntu.com wrote: Just for the record, the link Jim gave actually matches the url pattern we used for 9.04: http://xubuntu.org/news/9.04-release We should use http://xubuntu.org/news/9.10-release instead of http://xubuntu.org/news/karmic/release as karmic is the development name and isn't used after release. Cheers, I will change the release announcement back to the original format on the Ubuntu release announcement. Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Xubuntu website for 9.10
Hi All, These discussions may have occurred on IRC (in which case, I have missed them), but are things ready on the Xubuntu website for the 9.10 release? Steve Langasek has prepared an Ubuntu release announcement that points to a Xubuntu page at: http://xubuntu.org/news/9.10-release As a reference, the release candidate announcement (Thanks, Cody, Vincent and Slaai!) is available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/KarmicKoala/RC Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: 325 Xubuntu Discs Shipped (v.2)
Hi Todd, On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Todd Robinson t...@webpath.net wrote: (Spelling corrections included) I was compiling some statistics before the Ontario Linux Fest and thought you might like to know how many Free discs have Quick Shipped. Item: Xubuntu 9.04 Views: 29,881 Shipped to U.S.A. = 203 Shipped Internationally = 122 Total Shipped to date = 325 Pretty good considering the Quick Ship program has only been running since the end of July. From these numbers I suspect 9.10 would be at least twice as much, and possibly even reach 1,000 since the majority of people obtain a new release within the first couple months. Could you provide the link to your service again? I'd like to make sure we recognize what you've done. Thanks so much for your contributions, Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Ubuntu Open Week - Xubuntu rep
Hi All, Nathan Handler passed along word of an open spot in the Ubuntu Open Week schedule that they'd like to populate with a session for Xubuntu. The session is scheduled for Friday, November 6th, at 1500 UTC. Is there anyone who would be available at that time who might also be interested in giving a talk about Xubuntu? Hopefully someone will be available. We'll need to inform Jorge Castro once we find someone. Thanks, all, Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Please help compose Xubuntu 9.10 Beta Release Notes
I'll see how I can help out with this while on my lunch break today. Sorry I haven't been online the past few days. Either a recent update has messed with my networking, or I need a new router at home. I've spent the last two nights sorting through it. Jim On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 7:01 AM, Cody A.W. Somerville cody-somervi...@ubuntu.com wrote: Hello Folks, Please come help write the Xubuntu 9.10 beta release notes. You can find what I started at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/KarmicKoala/Beta Not a writer? You can still help by providing screenshots for the different sections as appropriate. Please ensure screenshots are of Xubuntu 9.10 with default settings only. Cheers, -- Cody A.W. Somerville Software Systems Release Engineer Foundations Team Custom Engineering Solutions Group Canonical OEM Services Phone: +1-781-850-2087 Cell: +1-506-471-8402 Email: cody.somervi...@canonical.com -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Guest session (Was: The login screen)
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Jarno Suni jarno.ilari.s...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Lionel Le Folgoc lio...@lefolgoc.net wrote: Hi, On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 02:06:24AM +0300, Jarno Suni wrote: I wonder, if /usr/share/gdm/guest-session/guest-session-launch (from package gdm-guest-session) could be added to login screen so that guest could use the computer without a regular user login. I don't think so. It seems to start a GNOME session, so it won't work for Xubuntu as is. Guest session used to work in Xubuntu when I started this thread, but not after latest updates: No window manager running for guest, no panels visible for guest. Jarno, please file a bug for this in Launchpad. Thanks very much, Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Documentation CSS (was: Karmic Artwork)
Hi All, On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Pasi Lallinaho o...@knome.fi wrote: 6. Documentation theming We will try to theme the documentation with Jim. I am waiting details on this. Pasi, I'll send you the files that are used in the documentation CSS. Cody, what I'd like to do is make it so the actual documentation page comes up when someone clicks on the help, icon. As it is now, users have to click on the help icon, and then look for the link to bring them to the documentation. I'll see what I can sort out. Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Fwd: [Bug 365796] Re: Prompt to record encryption passphrase produces no response in Xubuntu 9.04
Hi All, I wanted to alert the group to this - please see the bug report below. It looks like this will require some testing in 9.10 to make sure that users who attempt to encrypt their home partitions on Xubuntu get things set up correctly. Jim -- Forwarded message -- From: Dustin Kirkland dustin.kirkl...@gmail.com Date: Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 2:43 PM Subject: [Bug 365796] Re: Prompt to record encryption passphrase produces no response in Xubuntu 9.04 To: jwcampb...@gmail.com Confirmed. I have reproduced the problem. Looking at the code, there is no reference to gnome-terminal. The Run action just calls sh . Looks to me like sh needs a handler in XFCE? In any case, the text in the dialog tells the user *exactly* what they need to do, if they want to run this by hand (run ecryptfs-unwrap- passphrase). :-Dustin ** Changed in: ecryptfs Status: New = Confirmed ** Changed in: ecryptfs-utils (Ubuntu) Status: New = Confirmed ** Changed in: ecryptfs Importance: High = Wishlist ** Changed in: ecryptfs-utils (Ubuntu) Importance: High = Low ** Changed in: ecryptfs Importance: Wishlist = Low -- Prompt to record encryption passphrase produces no response in Xubuntu 9.04 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/365796 You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscriber of the bug. Status in eCryptfs - Enterprise Cryptographic Filesystem: Confirmed Status in “ecryptfs-utils” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Bug description: This bug report is similar to LP bug #359997, but I don't believe it to be duplicate. I performed a clean installation of Xubuntu 9.04 alternate, and chose to encrypt my home directory. Upon completing the installation, I was presented with the lightbulb icon in my panel, indicating that information was available. I clicked the icon, read the instructions, and then selected, Run this action now. However, nothing happened after clicking on the button. A terminal window did not open, and I was not presented with an error. Perhaps the run this action now button is calling gnome-terminal or something that is not installed on Xubuntu, but this should examined. Fortunately, I was able to research the issue, and I found the aforementioned bug report. Entering, ecryptfs-unwrap-passphrase ~/.ecryptfs/wrapped-passphrase gave me the necessary prompt, and I was able to get my autogenerated strong passphrase. -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Minutes from the MOTU Release meeting, Monday 24th Aug, 19:00 UTC
Codiferous, Welcome back from vacation. I hope you had a relaxing time. On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Cody A.W. Somervillecody-somervi...@ubuntu.com wrote: Xubuntu Developers Contributors: Please be aware of the following minutes from the MOTU Release Meeting. -- Forwarded message -- From: Iulian Udrea iul...@ubuntu.com Date: Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 4:39 AM Subject: Minutes from the MOTU Release meeting, Monday 24th Aug, 19:00 UTC To: Ubuntu Development ubuntu-de...@lists.ubuntu.com, Masters of the Universe ubuntu-m...@lists.ubuntu.com Hi. Here are the minutes from the MOTU Release meeting, Monday 24th August, 19:00 UTC. [snip] * Cody Somerville (cody-somerville) agreed to act as a delegate for Xubuntu. He also recommended Lionel Le Folgoc (mr_pouit) to be a delegate as well. They will both be the delegates for Xubuntu this cycle. What does being a Release Delegate entail? Does this designation give you authority to approve images for release for our particular flavor of Ubuntu? Just curious as to how this decision impacts the group. Thanks, Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: RFC: GDM in Karmic
Hi All, On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 11:15 AM, viddv...@crosslink.net wrote: It should also be noted that the version of SLiM in the repos is over 2 years old We need a MOTU to upload version 1.3.1 so it can be properly evaluated http://developer.berlios.de/project/showfiles.php?group_id=2663 thank you vidd - Original Message - From: Steve Dodier To: Xubuntu Development Discussion Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 11:27 AM Subject: Re: RFC: GDM in Karmic The bugs listed in Debian (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=slim) and in Ubuntu (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/slim/) would need to be fixed before, especially since there are security bugs. As an FYI, Fedora includes the new GDM in their Xfce spin, but they also include all of those GNOME deps. I tried out the live CD, and entering metacity --replace replaces xfwm4 with metacity. Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: We need to keep a developer meeting
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 5:20 AM, Vincentmailingli...@vinnl.nl wrote: On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 8:29 PM, Pasi Lallinaho o...@knome.fi wrote: As the subject line says, we need to keep a developer meeting and we need to keep it before Alpha 3. I propose Saturday, July 11th - 16.00 UTC as the meeting time. I'm on vacation, so I'll need to double-check, but I think I can make it. Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: UDS Karmic Goals
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 7:20 AM, Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) jonat...@ubuntu.com wrote: Hi Cody Cody A.W. Somerville wrote: 1. Develop 2-3 specifications that are concrete enough to implement within the next cycle. 2. Discuss and spec out improvements to notifications. 3. Identify and possibly fix the login delay issue. 4. Examine memory usage of default Xubuntu desktop. Compare w/ Debian to see where we can reduce our footprint. 5. Assist Xfce in developing release policy, procedures; release management; finer project definition; etc. Come up with draft to send to xfce-dev mailing list for further discussion and development. 6. Improvements to documentation, artwork, and community. Someone said yesterday that you guys managed to boot Xubuntu Karmic Alpha in 8.5 seconds, is that true? If so, awesome :) -Jonathan :-) Well, from what I know, it was Scott James Remnant who booted Ubuntu with an Xfce desktop in 8.5 seconds. I guess that's Xubuntu, right? Almost? :-) I'm sure Cody, Jannis, and Stephan will get it down to 7.32. :) Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Xubuntu Website Software (was: Re: UDS Karmic Goals)
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Pasi Lallinaho o...@knome.fi wrote: Cody A.W. Somerville wrote: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Pasi Lallinaho o...@knome.fi mailto:o...@knome.fi wrote: There is no need to start a flamewar about the subject. Again I feel that this is one of the situations where I think having experts from different areas matter - the experts in web should be listened more when we are talking about things concerning web. FWIW, the Ubuntu server team just has a team blog up at ubuntuserver.wordpress.com. Not very fancy! The launchpad team has a blog up at blog.launchpad.net. The Kubuntu team does not have a team blog. I do like the idea of having a team blog, though. A team blog is different than a planet in that the team blog belongs to the project, and the authorship does not belong to one person. Also, the content seems more polished than one might find on a regular developer blog. (No offense to regular developer blogs . . . ). I'm comfortable with individual developer blogs just being on planet.ubuntu.com, but if others feel otherwise - that's ok, too. With regards to our current site are the RSS Feeds for Xubuntu.org broken? Is Drupal limited in how well it can configure RSS feeds, or are we just not using it right? Pasi, it sounds like you are suggesting that we move Xubuntu.org to Worpress MU, correct? All things being equal, I would like to stay with Drupal to stay consistent with the other Ubuntu flavors, if possible. If an upgrade to Drupal, or adding in additional modules, would give us more features (or fix existing features), I think we should look at that before considering moving everything over to Wordpress. A bit offtopic, but I think the Oxford Archaeology blog is a good example of a team blog done well. In fact, generally speaking the other team blogs (Q.A., Launchpad, Server Team) are done pretty well, too . . . It's just that the O.A. blog stands out to me as one that is particularly well-done. For example, it has content you don't find elsewhere, the posts are well-organized, it includes grahics where relevant, and they break-up sections of text with different headings to make it easier to read. That would be the kind of professionalism that I would expect from Xubuntu team blog entries. Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: UDS Karmic Goals
Hi Cody, On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 5:03 AM, Cody A.W. Somerville cody-somervi...@ubuntu.com wrote: Hello Folks, In our first rather impromptu session, we hashed out our goals for this week to be able to assist us in determining if we've been successful in our endeavours at the end of the week. Please feel free to comment, make suggestions, etc. 1. Develop 2-3 specifications that are concrete enough to implement within the next cycle. 2. Discuss and spec out improvements to notifications. 3. Identify and possibly fix the login delay issue. 4. Examine memory usage of default Xubuntu desktop. Compare w/ Debian to see where we can reduce our footprint. 5. Assist Xfce in developing release policy, procedures; release management; finer project definition; etc. Come up with draft to send to xfce-dev mailing list for further discussion and development. 6. Improvements to documentation, artwork, and community. Cheers, I think that updating the CSS for the system documentation, and including the documentation out on the xubuntu.org website, are concrete, beneficial and attainable goals for the karmic release cycle. :-) Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: UbuntuOpenWeek scheduling
Hi All, On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Charlie Kravetz c...@teamcharliesangels.com wrote: UbuntuOpenWeek schedule is out. I rearranged the sessions so that we are more in line with the rest of the teams. Monday, 27 April 2009 at 2100 UTC will be Introduction to Xubuntu. We will have a mix of people for this session. I just wanted to confirm that I won't be able to join you all during this session today. Best of luck to everyone! :-) Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Xubuntu 9.04 post-mortem discussion?
Hi, First, a hearty thanks and congratulations for everyone's work on the 9.04 release. In many respects, I think it is the best Xubuntu release ever, and everyone should be proud of their contributions. Thanks in particular to Cody, Lionel, Charlie, Jannis, Michael, Pasi, Vincent, the Xfce team, and um... Ubuntu and Debian. :) (Please forgive me if I've left anyone out . . . ) Second, yesterday on IRC, Cody mentioned that we should make sure we have release procedures in place. He was able to look up the Ubuntu release procedures on the Ubuntu wiki, and post several links to IRC. The Ubuntu release procedures are well outlined, and it will be good to have them as a reference in the future. However, this got me to thinking that it would be good if we had a post-mortem discussion about the 9.04 cycle. In particular, we could use this session to go over what went well in this release so that we can repeat it for future releases. We should also discuss what didn't go as well so that it can be improved for future releases. While this might not necessarily be a highly technical discussion, this session can also serve as a reference point for developing some of the process and team-related blueprints for the 9.10 release in advance of UDS in late May. I'm sure some technical blueprints may come about from this, too. The primary purpose would be to look back at the prior release, though. Do others think this would be a good idea? I would not want to have the meeting this weekend because I think people deserve a break and it will be good to see how the release has settled out a bit, but I think next weekend might work well. Let me know what you think. And, again, congratulations and thanks to everyone. Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Fwd: Ubuntu 9.04 released (URGENT)
Hi All, The Xubuntu page is coming up with a 404 error. :( -- Forwarded message -- From: Ubuntu Announcements nore...@ubuntu.com Date: Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 7:53 AM Subject: Ubuntu 9.04 released To: ubuntu-annou...@lists.ubuntu.com The Ubuntu team is pleased to announce Ubuntu 9.04 Desktop and Server editions and Ubuntu Netbook Remix, continuing Ubuntu's tradition of integrating the latest and greatest open source technologies into a high-quality, easy-to-use Linux distribution. Read more about the features of Ubuntu 9.04 in the following press releases: Desktop editionhttp://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu-9.04-desktop Server edition http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu-9.04-server Netbook Remix http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu-9.04-unr Ubuntu 9.04 will be supported for 18 months on both desktops and servers. Users requiring a longer support lifetime may choose to continue using Ubuntu 8.04 LTS rather than upgrading to or installing 9.04. Ubuntu 9.04 is also the basis for new 9.04 releases of Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Edubuntu, UbuntuStudio, and Mythbuntu: Kubuntu http://kubuntu.org/news/9.04-release Xubuntu http://xubuntu.org/news/9.04-release Edubuntu http://edubuntu.org/news/9.04-release Mythbuntu http://mythbuntu.org/9.04/release Ubuntu Studio http://ubuntustudio.org/downloads To Get Ubuntu 9.04 -- To download Ubuntu 9.04, or obtain CDs, visit: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu Users of Ubuntu 8.10 will be offered an automatic upgrade to 9.04 via Update Manager. For further information about upgrading, see: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading As always, upgrades to the latest version of Ubuntu are entirely free of charge. We recommend that all users read the release notes, which document caveats and workarounds for known issues. They are available at: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904 Find out what's new in this release with a graphical overview: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904overview If you have a question, or if you think you may have found a bug but aren't sure, try asking on the #ubuntu IRC channel, on the Ubuntu Users mailing list, or on the Ubuntu forums: #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users http://www.ubuntuforums.org/ Helping Shape Ubuntu If you would like to help shape Ubuntu, take a look at the list of ways you can participate at: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate/ About Ubuntu Ubuntu is a full-featured Linux distribution for desktops, laptops, netbooks and servers, with a fast and easy install and regular releases. A tightly-integrated selection of excellent applications is included, and an incredible variety of add-on software is just a few clicks away. Professional services, including support, are available from Canonical Limited and hundreds of other companies around the world. For more information about support, visit: http://www.ubuntu.com/support More Information You can find out more about Ubuntu and about this release on our website: http://www.ubuntu.com/ To sign up for future Ubuntu announcements, please subscribe to Ubuntu's very low volume announcement list at: http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-announce -- ubuntu-announce mailing list ubuntu-annou...@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-announce -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Ubuntu 9.04 released (URGENT)
It's updated now. Just after the announcement it came up really quickly with a 404 error, though. Cody appears to be on it. :) On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Charlie Kravetz c...@teamcharliesangels.com wrote: On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 08:22:07 -0500 Jim Campbell jwcampb...@ubuntu.com wrote: Hi All, The Xubuntu page is coming up with a 404 error. :( -- Forwarded message -- From: Ubuntu Announcements nore...@ubuntu.com Date: Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 7:53 AM Subject: Ubuntu 9.04 released To: ubuntu-annou...@lists.ubuntu.com The Ubuntu team is pleased to announce Ubuntu 9.04 Desktop and Server editions and Ubuntu Netbook Remix, continuing Ubuntu's tradition of integrating the latest and greatest open source technologies into a high-quality, easy-to-use Linux distribution. Read more about the features of Ubuntu 9.04 in the following press releases: Desktop editionhttp://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu-9.04-desktop Server edition http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu-9.04-server Netbook Remix http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu-9.04-unr Ubuntu 9.04 will be supported for 18 months on both desktops and servers. Users requiring a longer support lifetime may choose to continue using Ubuntu 8.04 LTS rather than upgrading to or installing 9.04. Ubuntu 9.04 is also the basis for new 9.04 releases of Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Edubuntu, UbuntuStudio, and Mythbuntu: Kubuntu http://kubuntu.org/news/9.04-release Xubuntu http://xubuntu.org/news/9.04-release Edubuntu http://edubuntu.org/news/9.04-release Mythbuntu http://mythbuntu.org/9.04/release Ubuntu Studio http://ubuntustudio.org/downloads To Get Ubuntu 9.04 -- To download Ubuntu 9.04, or obtain CDs, visit: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu Users of Ubuntu 8.10 will be offered an automatic upgrade to 9.04 via Update Manager. For further information about upgrading, see: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading As always, upgrades to the latest version of Ubuntu are entirely free of charge. We recommend that all users read the release notes, which document caveats and workarounds for known issues. They are available at: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904 Find out what's new in this release with a graphical overview: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904overview If you have a question, or if you think you may have found a bug but aren't sure, try asking on the #ubuntu IRC channel, on the Ubuntu Users mailing list, or on the Ubuntu forums: #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users http://www.ubuntuforums.org/ Helping Shape Ubuntu If you would like to help shape Ubuntu, take a look at the list of ways you can participate at: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate/ About Ubuntu Ubuntu is a full-featured Linux distribution for desktops, laptops, netbooks and servers, with a fast and easy install and regular releases. A tightly-integrated selection of excellent applications is included, and an incredible variety of add-on software is just a few clicks away. Professional services, including support, are available from Canonical Limited and hundreds of other companies around the world. For more information about support, visit: http://www.ubuntu.com/support More Information You can find out more about Ubuntu and about this release on our website: http://www.ubuntu.com/ To sign up for future Ubuntu announcements, please subscribe to Ubuntu's very low volume announcement list at: http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-announce -- ubuntu-announce mailing list ubuntu-annou...@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-announce That is the only page I can get! Ubuntu 9.04 release notes took 5 minutes to load, and I can't get to the downloads at all yet. I suspect it may be a timeout error instead of 404, the sites are just really busy. -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Xubuntu website, release announcement and release notes
Hi All, I wanted to check in with everyone regarding final preparations for release. These items may have been discussed on IRC, but I figured it would be good to check anyway. Please note that I'm writing this with no intention of providing an exhaustive list of tasks, but as a prompt to start discussions and confirm remaining tasks. What are people's plans for updating the website? Do we have a news announcement planned? With the Beta, I think we just took some of the wording from the release announcement. Is there a way to check what mirrors are working? Are there any features that are not included in the RC release announcement that you feel should be mentioned? In the final announcement? As a note, Steve Langasek's current draft of the Ubuntu release announcement points to this page ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/9.04/Xubuntu ) for Xubuntu's release announcement. With regard to the release notes, it appears as though some elements that are specific to Kubuntu are being included in the Ubuntu release notes. Is there any chance of including known Xubuntu issues on the same page ( http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/904 )? If not, we could copy the relevant items onto a wiki page, and add our Xubuntu-specific items from there. Thanks, all, Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Xubuntu team meeting tomorrow, April 11th
Hi All, As a reminder, we'll have a team meeting tomorrow at UTC 16:00. To assist us, that time is: 10:00am in Denver 11:00am in Chicago 6:00pm in Amsterdam, Paris, and Berlin 7:00pm in Helsinki 9:30pm in Thiruvananthapuram, India* 1:00am on Sunday in Yokohama, Japan* If this time will not work for you, and you feel that it's important that you participate, please let us know! The meeting will be held in #ubuntu-meeting on the Freenode IRC network, and an agenda is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings . Hope to see you there. Best, Jim *Some of you may be traveling :-) -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Xubuntu team meeting tomorrow, April 11th
Hi All, On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Pasi Lallinaho o...@knome.fi wrote: Jim Campbell wrote: Hi All, As a reminder, we'll have a team meeting tomorrow at UTC 16:00. To assist us, that time is: 10:00am in Denver 11:00am in Chicago 6:00pm in Amsterdam, Paris, and Berlin 7:00pm in Helsinki 9:30pm in Thiruvananthapuram, India* 1:00am on Sunday in Yokohama, Japan* If this time will not work for you, and you feel that it's important that you participate, please let us know! The meeting will be held in #ubuntu-meeting on the Freenode IRC network, and an agenda is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings . Hope to see you there. Actually, if we could bump the meeting forwards with one hour or even two hours, it would fit my schedule way better. -- Pasi Lallinaho Xubuntu Marketing Lead Web-designer, graphic artist IRC: knome @ freenode Pasi, we know that you are just trying to be more considerate to the Xubuntu team members in Yokohama. :-) That is fine with me, though. Would 14:30 work? That's an hour and a half earlier - 8:30am in Charlie's time zone, but (I think) 5:30pm in Pasi's time zone. Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Fwd: [announcement] apt links on the wiki
Hi All, I wanted to let you know that apt-urls are now available on the wiki, so you can include a link that will, when clicked by a user visiting a wiki page, prompt them to install a particular package. As an example of the wiki syntax, entering this into the wiki: [[apt:geany|install geany]] will provide a link that says, install geany. As mentioned, clicking on the link will prompt the user to install the software. :-) I just wanted the team to be aware of this additional functionality when editing wiki pages. It certainly can make things easier for end-users. Thanks, all. :-) Jim -- Forwarded message -- From: Matthew East m...@ubuntu.com Date: Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 5:21 AM Subject: [announcement] apt links on the wiki To: ubuntu-doc ubuntu-...@lists.ubuntu.com Cc: yann_ubunt...@yahoo.fr Further to previous discussions, the sysadmins have now actioned this and apt links are now possible on the Ubuntu documentation wiki (as well as the Ubuntu team wiki). I'll take care of adapting our internal documentation (WikiGuide) to reflect this new feature, and I look forward to seeing these links in action on the wiki. -- Matthew East http://www.mdke.org gnupg pub 1024D/0E6B06FF -- ubuntu-doc mailing list ubuntu-...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-doc -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Ubuntu Open Week Sessions
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Charlie Kravetz c...@teamcharliesangels.com wrote: Okay, a little help, please. Am I the only one that sees a great opportunity here? Ubuntu Open Week is a time to show the community what a great distribution Xubuntu really is! Why don't I see us doing a how to get involved in Xubuntu, Xubuntu is made for lower-end hardware, XFCE 4.6 and upwards. These are a few ideas. This is for the USERS, not the inside group. UDS and Ubuntu Developers Week take care of insiders. Is there anything we want to tell the world? I will add this topic to the agenda for this weekend's meeting. Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Xubuntu Jaunty meeting schedule
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Jim Campbell jwcampb...@ubuntu.com wrote: Hi All, Per our meeting discussions towards the end of the last month, here's a tentative Xubuntu team meeting schedule for the remainder of the Jaunty release cycle. April 5 (I've moved April's meeting date up in consideration of the Jaunty release schedule) Hi All, It seems that we missed our scheduled meeting time this weekend (unless it was just me that missed it, and everyone else showed up). If that were the case, and the meeting was held, does anyone have a meeting log? If that wasn't the case, and no meeting was held, would people find it beneficial to have a meeting this weekend? Perhaps on Saturday, as Sunday is Easter Sunday? Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Xubuntu Jaunty meeting schedule
Pasi Lallinaho wrote: Jim Campbell wrote: On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Jim Campbell jwcampb...@ubuntu.com wrote: Hi All, Per our meeting discussions towards the end of the last month, here's a tentative Xubuntu team meeting schedule for the remainder of the Jaunty release cycle. April 5 (I've moved April's meeting date up in consideration of the Jaunty release schedule) Hi All, It seems that we missed our scheduled meeting time this weekend (unless it was just me that missed it, and everyone else showed up). If that were the case, and the meeting was held, does anyone have a meeting log? If that wasn't the case, and no meeting was held, would people find it beneficial to have a meeting this weekend? Perhaps on Saturday, as Sunday is Easter Sunday? Jim Hi Jim, we all missed the meeting. Or then only me and you missed the meeting. :) Saturday sounds great. Which time? Shall we say UTC 1600? That was our typical Sunday time. Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Developers on Identi.ca = WIN
Hi All, Just wanted to let you know of a cool instance where microblogging helped to improve Xubuntu. While perusing my Identi.ca feed yesterday, I saw this dent [0] from Jérôme Guelfucci, and made a comment about it in #xubuntu-devel on IRC. Cody Somerville encourged me to file a bug, requesting that the software be updated to the new version as it fixes a number of bugs. I filed the bug on Launchpad [1], and Cody packaged the new version. Because this new version fixes a number of bugs, we will be able to include it in Xubuntu 9.04. If I hadn't been subscribed the the !xfce group on Identi.ca, I wouldn't have seen the dent, and I probably wouldn't have known about the new version. Xubuntu 9.04 will be a little better because Jérôme let us know about his software update, me seeing the update, and how we were able to respond. :) I'm now subscribed to Jérôme's dents, so I'll get his updates on a regular basis, and will file similar update-request bugs when I see similar dents in the future. :) I do not expect all upstream developers to provide updates in this way, but it does seem to be helpful. And as this is a relatively new tool in communicating such updates, I thought I would share one instance of how it brought some benefit to our project. :) Best, Jim [0] http://identi.ca/notice/3151669 [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gigolo/+bug/353405 -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Xubuntu docs status
Cody, I've submitted my remaining changes, and Nathan has the docs in his PPA (which don't include the changes that I made today). Nathan's latest PPA (ppa2) does publish the docs the proper location, but the graphics and coloring provided by the CSS still are not included. Nathan is also now on vacation (an ubuntu-free one in Florida). Would you be able to assist with this additional step? Please let me know ASAP. Thanks, Jim On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Jim Campbell jwcampb...@ubuntu.com wrote: Thanks, Nathan. I'll submit those changes, but it might be late tonight. (I'll be travelling, so . . . it might be *late-late*, i.e. if you don't hear from me that I've submitted them by 5:30pm central time tonight . . . don't wait up for them tonight.) :) Once they are fully submitted, built, and packaged, I'll send a note out to the translator teams, and to Xubuntu-devel. The translators need to know that they are updated, and Xubuntu-devel folks need to know so that they can read them and cry at their awesomeness (or, um, at least know that they are ready and that they aren't massively broken.) After this whold doc-ordeal, I resolve to never try to use yelp again for Xubuntu docs. *le sigh* :-P Jim On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Nathan Handler nhand...@ubuntu.comwrote: On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Jim Campbell jwcampb...@ubuntu.com wrote: Nathan Handler and I built the docs and put them into Nathan's PPA last night, but there appears to be a minor glitch in the build process Hi Jim, Thank you for testing out the package. I'm not at home right now, but I think I should be able to resolve those build issues you found. If you want to fix the typos, I personally have no problem with that, and can get the changes included the package when I update it later today. Nathan -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Xubuntu docs status
Thanks very much, Cody. :) I'm not sure when I'll be around online tonight, but I'll try to find some IRC time for a bit. Jim On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Cody A.W. Somerville cody-somervi...@ubuntu.com wrote: Sure thing. I'll take a look at it tonight. Feel free to bug me about this :) -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Xubuntu 9.04 Beta Release Announcement
Thanks, Vincent. And, in reading my note here from yesterday, I think I sound a bit snarky, so . . . sorry, all. I think I was just kind of stressed out yesterday. : / Thanks for everyone's work. :) Jim 2009/3/27 Vincent mailingli...@vinnl.nl 2009/3/26 Jim Campbell jwcampb...@ubuntu.com Wow, there are some halfway decent release announcement notes up on the wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/JauntyJackalope/BetaAnnouncement It sure would be cool if they could be linked to as part of a news announcement on Xubuntu.org. Is that in the works? If not, can it be? Your friend, Jim I'll create the announcement right away (sorry, this thread has been marked as unread in my inbox for a while but I didn't get to it...). By the way, perhaps a note about Xfce4 Screenshooter is appropriate as well ;-) -- Vincent -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Xubuntu 9.04 Beta Release Announcement
Thanks, Vincent. As a note, I think that release notes are more technical (i.e. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseNotes/ ). What we posted yesterday was a release announcement. Would you mind making that minor change in the text on the website? Jim 2009/3/27 Vincent mailingli...@vinnl.nl On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Vincent mailingli...@vinnl.nl wrote: 2009/3/26 Jim Campbell jwcampb...@ubuntu.com Wow, there are some halfway decent release announcement notes up on the wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/JauntyJackalope/BetaAnnouncement It sure would be cool if they could be linked to as part of a news announcement on Xubuntu.org. Is that in the works? If not, can it be? Your friend, Jim I'll create the announcement right away (sorry, this thread has been marked as unread in my inbox for a while but I didn't get to it...). By the way, perhaps a note about Xfce4 Screenshooter is appropriate as well ;-) -- Vincent OK here it is: http://xubuntu.org/news/jaunty/beta Note that I didn't add anything about Known Issues because none are listed on the announcement page. If anybody adds them please notify me so I can add a note to the announcement :) -- Vincent -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Xubuntu docs status
Hi Xubuntu team and Nathan, Nathan Handler and I built the docs and put them into Nathan's PPA last night, but there appears to be a minor glitch in the build process, as the docs build without the CSS elements. In other words, the Xubuntu logos and coloring aren't present, and the navigation icons don't appear. The documentation files themselves work, though - links are intact and functional, etc, etc. One thing I noticed was that the doc index appears at /usr/share/xubuntu-docs/index.html instead of /usr/share/xubuntu-docs/about/index.html. Granted, that is a side-effect of the build process, and not the cause of the problems, but because this appears to be a path issue, I thought that noting this may help point things in the right direction. I looked through past build and debian/rules files, but couldn't place what was different. If you have any suggestions, please let me know. Finally, I did notice three minor typos that I would like corrected before the final build. I can handle these tonight, or Cody could commit the change himself before things get built. One is that the copyright information should list 2009 (it ends at 2008), the other is that the first apt-url for F-Spot is mal-formed (the link works in the docs, but it does not appear correctly in the docs - it's set up like ulink url=apt-url:f-spot/ulink instead of ulink =apt-url:f-spotF-Spot/ulink), and a third is that the word page is repeated twice in a row on the index.html page. Thanks for your help, all, Jim P.S. The bzr branch is located here: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/ubuntu-doc/xubuntu-jaunty-yelpversion -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Xubuntu docs status
Thanks, Nathan. I'll submit those changes, but it might be late tonight. (I'll be travelling, so . . . it might be *late-late*, i.e. if you don't hear from me that I've submitted them by 5:30pm central time tonight . . . don't wait up for them tonight.) :) Once they are fully submitted, built, and packaged, I'll send a note out to the translator teams, and to Xubuntu-devel. The translators need to know that they are updated, and Xubuntu-devel folks need to know so that they can read them and cry at their awesomeness (or, um, at least know that they are ready and that they aren't massively broken.) After this whold doc-ordeal, I resolve to never try to use yelp again for Xubuntu docs. *le sigh* :-P Jim On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Nathan Handler nhand...@ubuntu.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Jim Campbell jwcampb...@ubuntu.com wrote: Nathan Handler and I built the docs and put them into Nathan's PPA last night, but there appears to be a minor glitch in the build process Hi Jim, Thank you for testing out the package. I'm not at home right now, but I think I should be able to resolve those build issues you found. If you want to fix the typos, I personally have no problem with that, and can get the changes included the package when I update it later today. Nathan -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Xubuntu 9.04 Beta Release Announcement
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 7:25 PM, Charlie Kravetz c...@teamcharliesangels.com wrote: I am drawing blanks on bugs today, although I am sure there are some. I do think we should have something on how to upgrade for 8.10. Also, there is a definite problem upgrading system with Intel 8x5 and 9x5 video to Jaunty. It probably should not even be attempted. Some of the Intel systems will work, of course, but many more will not. Charlie - thanks for this. I looked for upgrade instructions to 9.04 from 8.10 . . . we had them for the 8.04 to 8.10(beta). I couldn't find them for Intrepid to Jaunty, though. Maybe they will be put together from the Ubuntu side today. I'll subscribe to the Ubuntu release announcement wiki page to see how if it gets updated with this information. As for the intel chipset thing - I have an Intel 945, and I've been ok. ?? Not sure what that means in the big picture, though. There are also issues with pulse-audio, still, which may not be resolved until after the final release. Alsa-audio should be okay. If this could be noted, that would be great. Are we including the notify-osd package? I don't think we include this. Notifications seem like the regular ones to me. As for the mirror list - all I did was copy and paste from the 8.10 beta announcement, and then change the 8.10 to 9.04. The first link I checked came up as a 404. I will hide the mirror list for now, but would appreciate it if someone who can be on IRC today could check on mirror-list status and update things accordingly (if possible). Charlie, thanks for providing the link to the Xubuntu announcement from the Ubuntu release announcement. :) Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Xubuntu 9.04 Beta Release Announcement
Wow, there are some halfway decent release announcement notes up on the wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/JauntyJackalope/BetaAnnouncement It sure would be cool if they could be linked to as part of a news announcement on Xubuntu.org. Is that in the works? If not, can it be? Your friend, Jim On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Jim Campbell jwcampb...@ubuntu.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 7:25 PM, Charlie Kravetz c...@teamcharliesangels.com wrote: I am drawing blanks on bugs today, although I am sure there are some. I do think we should have something on how to upgrade for 8.10. Also, there is a definite problem upgrading system with Intel 8x5 and 9x5 video to Jaunty. It probably should not even be attempted. Some of the Intel systems will work, of course, but many more will not. Charlie - thanks for this. I looked for upgrade instructions to 9.04 from 8.10 . . . we had them for the 8.04 to 8.10(beta). I couldn't find them for Intrepid to Jaunty, though. Maybe they will be put together from the Ubuntu side today. I'll subscribe to the Ubuntu release announcement wiki page to see how if it gets updated with this information. As for the intel chipset thing - I have an Intel 945, and I've been ok. ?? Not sure what that means in the big picture, though. There are also issues with pulse-audio, still, which may not be resolved until after the final release. Alsa-audio should be okay. If this could be noted, that would be great. Are we including the notify-osd package? I don't think we include this. Notifications seem like the regular ones to me. As for the mirror list - all I did was copy and paste from the 8.10 beta announcement, and then change the 8.10 to 9.04. The first link I checked came up as a 404. I will hide the mirror list for now, but would appreciate it if someone who can be on IRC today could check on mirror-list status and update things accordingly (if possible). Charlie, thanks for providing the link to the Xubuntu announcement from the Ubuntu release announcement. :) Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Xubuntu 9.04 Beta Release Announcement
Hi All, I know you're all very busy, but if you could lend some suggestions to this, I would appreciate it. I am not asking for you to write out full-fledged sentences here, just a brief note or phrase referencing anything that you would like included in the beta release announcement. Thanks very much for your consideration. Jim On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:29 AM, Jim Campbell jwcampb...@ubuntu.comwrote: Hi All, The Xubuntu 9.04 Beta release is almost here! As part of the release, we need to prepare the Beta release announcement, and I was hoping that people could note particular improvements. Seeing as this is the first set of release announcements coming specifically from Xubuntu, I figure we can include any key updates from 8.10. Here are some highlights that I can think of: * complete migration to Xfce 4.6 - neat feature 1 - neat feature 2 - neat feature 300 * inclusion of Gigolo, an Xfce utility to assist with mounting of network shares * fast-user switcher applet * * Availability of Ext4 filesystems (w/ Ext3 by default) * Thunderbird now includes the Lightning Calendar extension by default * Well integrated artwork, giving Xubuntu a polished, cohesive new look I know there is a lot more updates. What would you like to be included in the release announcement? Thanks, all. Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Xubuntu 9.04 Beta Release Announcement
Hi All, This is in regards to the Xubuntu Beta Release Announcement in place on the Xubuntu wiki ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/JauntyJackalope/BetaAnnouncement ) Steve, I am copying you on this in case you are able to include a link to the Xubuntu Beta Announcement in your overall Ubuntu 9.04 Beta Announcement. If it is not part of your practice to do this, we can publicize the announcement via other means. The announcement is still in draft form. Xubuntu team, please feel free to have a look at it. I will be fleshing it out some, but help is welcome. Mention of particular features, screenshots of your standard-install desktops, and announcement revisions are welcome. Charlie or anyone else - are there any known, noteworthy bugs that you would like to be noted in the Known Bugs section? If so, feel free to reply here with the bug numbers, or add detail of the bugs to the wiki itself. Thanks very much, Jim On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Charlie Kravetz c...@teamcharliesangels.com wrote: On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 00:29:34 -0500 Jim Campbell jwcampb...@ubuntu.com wrote: Hi All, The Xubuntu 9.04 Beta release is almost here! As part of the release, we need to prepare the Beta release announcement, and I was hoping that people could note particular improvements. Seeing as this is the first set of release announcements coming specifically from Xubuntu, I figure we can include any key updates from 8.10. Here are some highlights that I can think of: * complete migration to Xfce 4.6 - neat feature 1 - neat feature 2 - neat feature 300 * inclusion of Gigolo, an Xfce utility to assist with mounting of network shares * fast-user switcher applet * * Availability of Ext4 filesystems (w/ Ext3 by default) * Thunderbird now includes the Lightning Calendar extension by default * Well integrated artwork, giving Xubuntu a polished, cohesive new look I know there is a lot more updates. What would you like to be included in the release announcement? Thanks, all. Jim Let's not forget AbiWord 4.6.6, with many bugfixes incorporated. -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Xubuntu 9.04 Beta Release Announcement
Thanks, Steve! The announcement will surely be finished within that time frame. I will send you a note once it is finished, just so you have confirmation. Jim On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Steve Langasek steve.langa...@canonical.com wrote: Hi Jim, On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 05:17:25PM -0500, Jim Campbell wrote: This is in regards to the Xubuntu Beta Release Announcement in place on the Xubuntu wiki ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/JauntyJackalope/BetaAnnouncement ) Steve, I am copying you on this in case you are able to include a link to the Xubuntu Beta Announcement in your overall Ubuntu 9.04 Beta Announcement. If it is not part of your practice to do this, we can publicize the announcement via other means. That's fine as long as the Xubuntu announcement will be in place when the announcement mail is sent out (roughly 20 hours from now); if not I would need to drop the link from the mail. Cheers, -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Xubuntu 9.04 Beta Release Announcement
Hi All, The Xubuntu 9.04 Beta release is almost here! As part of the release, we need to prepare the Beta release announcement, and I was hoping that people could note particular improvements. Seeing as this is the first set of release announcements coming specifically from Xubuntu, I figure we can include any key updates from 8.10. Here are some highlights that I can think of: * complete migration to Xfce 4.6 - neat feature 1 - neat feature 2 - neat feature 300 * inclusion of Gigolo, an Xfce utility to assist with mounting of network shares * fast-user switcher applet * * Availability of Ext4 filesystems (w/ Ext3 by default) * Thunderbird now includes the Lightning Calendar extension by default * Well integrated artwork, giving Xubuntu a polished, cohesive new look I know there is a lot more updates. What would you like to be included in the release announcement? Thanks, all. Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Jaunty Artwork - almost done?!
Hi all, I forwarded a GTK theme suggestion to Pasi, but it would need to be tested similar to how we tested the shiki-colors / dark murrina themes for use on a more low-powered system. Pasi may not even like the theme, but it is included in the repos already, and I find it pretty complimentary to our current color scheme. The theme package in the repos is just called murrine-themes, and it incorporates a number of themes that wouldn't match our color scheme, but a couple that might work. If it's too late to include this, or you don't like the themes in there, I guess we can stick with Murrina Storm Cloud. Here is a link to a screenshot of my laptop with the Murrina Gilouche theme installed. http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/6951/screenshot1gpz.png All other theme elements are the defaults for 9.04. As for the usplash theme, both kubuntu and ubuntu have that cool, thin-line thing going on now. We had a slightly thinner line in a previous release of Xubuntu, but from what I can recall, our throbber breaks somehow when we try to make it thinner. Would there be any way to maybe copy the details / source lines from the Kubuntu package? I'm sure we could keep our own color scheme for the throbber line. Thoughts? Nice work on the Yay! items, Pasi. :) Hopefully we can get the boo items squared away. If not, we are still in pretty good shape for a nice-looking desktop. Jim On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Pasi Lallinaho o...@knome.fi wrote: Hello everybody, we're really close to getting everything ready. Here is again a quick recap of things. 1. Yay! - GDM theme. It now even has XDMCP-login button thus fixing bug #71412. Thanks Charlie and everybody for testing and giving feedback. - Wallpaper (also in widescreen). - Icon theme Gnome Brave. Needs reviewing! (- xfwm theme.) - Countdown banners! Thanks Lionel for the hard work done uploading things and doing the package management. 2. Boo! - GTK theme. Shall we stick with MurrineStormCloud? - Usplash. 3. Mmh? We created a JS feature carousel for Ubuntu (see http://emonk.fi/open/ubuntu/Feature%20Carousel/). Do we want for Xubuntu as well? What should that include? Remember we can for example do this for the last three days. Some ideas for this: Xfce 4.6, All new artwork, Cute mice!, With cheese, Brought to you by the Xubuntu Team and if we're doing this for some last days: Experience the Jaunty Jackalope, Supported until blahblah ... Throw in some ideas. -- Pasi Lallinaho Xubuntu Marketing Lead Web-designer, graphic artist IRC: knome @ freenode -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Jaunty Artwork Update
Hi All, On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Pasi Lallinaho o...@knome.fi wrote: 1. GDM theme The GDM theme for Jaunty has been finished for now. Please test it so it can be included into xubuntu-artwork. Lionel, will you help me with this? http://emonk.fi/open/xubuntu/9.04%20Jaunty/GDM%20theme/ One thing that I noticed with the GDM screen is that the login window is not very wide. My password that I use for all of my logins, charlie-tca-rulz9* doesn't fit in the login window. Also, my username is short, jim but somewhat longer usernames (not even outlandishly long ones) might not display in the window. While the password aspect is not a big concern, can we check out the username situation? Would it be difficult to widen the text entry box at this point? Thanks, all. Jim *this is not my actual password, but it would be cool if it was. -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Fwd: Xubuntu daily CD health check
Does anyone know what the problem is with this particular package? It's been on the problem list for a week or two now. Jim -- Forwarded message -- From: Colin Watson cjwat...@antimony.canonical.com Date: Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 6:05 AM Subject: Xubuntu daily CD health check To: cody-somervi...@ubuntu.com, jwcampb...@gmail.com, mrpo...@ubuntu.com, sonicmcta...@gmail.com This is a daily health check report on the Xubuntu CD images. If you have any questions, contact Colin Watson cjwat...@ubuntu.com. xubuntu/daily: Uninstallable packages: xine-lib 1.1.16.2-1ubuntu1 produces uninstallable binaries: * libxine1-ffmpeg (amd64 i386) * libxine1-plugins (amd64 i386) -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Congratulations, Charlie!
From the March 6th America's Membership Board meeting: *The approval results from Friday's Americas Membership meeting are as follows:* * Charlie Kravetz* *https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CharlieKravetz https://launchpad.net/~charlie-tcahttps://launchpad.net/%7Echarlie-tca * * Charlie is from Idaho, USA and has been using Ubuntu since 5.04. He is* * the Quality Assurance lead for Xubuntu, a role which involves a* * considerable amount of bug triage and testing. As such, he is an* * active member of ubuntu-bugsquad and bug-control. He also spends a* * considerable amount of time in the #xubuntu channel helping users.* Certainly well-deserved. :) Regards, Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Jaunty Artwork
On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Pasi Lallinaho o...@knome.fi wrote: Hello everybody, just a quick message/request for comments about artwork to Jaunty. We have been discussing the artwork for Jaunty in #xubuntu-devel lately, as many of you know. You can look at something ready at http://emonk.fi/open/xubuntu/jaunty-artwork/. statements of personal impressions and preferences Pasi, these are beautiful. Thank you so much for putting them together. My personal preference is for GDM #2, but it is not a strong preference. I think any one of them would be great. The wallpaper is super-great, too. :) I like how the Xubuntu logo is so big on the page, but so nicely integrated. Have we settled on an icon, gtk, or xfwm theme yet? In regards to the GTK theme, Murrina Storm Cloud is nice looking, but it seems we have used it for the past 3 or 4 releases. It would be nice for a change if we can find a suitable replacement. As for xfwm4 themes, I like Xfce 4.6's default xfwm4 theme. Again, great work! =) Jim /statements of personal impressions and preferences -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Testing new Xubuntu features
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 3:29 AM, Jelle de Jong jelledej...@powercraft.nlwrote: Thanks Jim, Beside the fact that its an interesting strategy to use the 4.6 release for a full desktop release in the aspect of risk and quality management. How does the Debian xfce team stand by the packaging of the 4.6 release candidates? Well, we're still a ways off before release of Xubuntu 9.04. With regards to Jannis' comments about timing (sorry about me jumping the gun and suggesting an imminent release of 4.6, Jannis), I'd still think that it would be safe to say that Xfce 4.6 final will be released in the next two months, before the release of Jaunty. I would at least hope so. :) For testing, I would like to see the following tested: - the new xfconf settings, try changing all settings - all features of the desktop panel - all features of the window manager - the artwork on multiple resolutions very low to very high - stability of thunar Thanks in advance, Jelle Thanks for these suggestions, Jelle. We'll be sure to test things out. :) Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: 9.04 Feature Freeze - coming soon
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 5:11 PM, Charlie Kravetz c...@teamcharliesangels.com wrote: On Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:44:34 -0600 Jim Campbell jwcampb...@ubuntu.com wrote: I would really, really like to see AbiWord 2.6.6 in Jaunty instead of 2.6.4. There are quite a few bug fixes involved. -- Charlie Kravetz *2.6.6-0ubuntu1https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/abiword/2.6.6-0ubuntu1 * Published in jaunty https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/abiword-release 1 hour ago abiword (2.6.6-0ubuntu1) jaunty; urgency=low * New upstream release. (LP: #318444 https://launchpad.net/bugs/318444, #300538 https://launchpad.net/bugs/300538, #297137 https://launchpad.net/bugs/297137, #117064 https://launchpad.net/bugs/117064, #215845 https://launchpad.net/bugs/215845, #191194 https://launchpad.net/bugs/191194) * debian/patches: - drop 03_nosmoothscroll_default, not needed anymore. - drop 05_create_and_edit_styles_crash.dpatch and 05_print_preview_crasher, integrated upstream. - update the other patches for the new release. - update 00list. * debian/rules, debian/abiword.links, misc/, debian/abiword.manpages: remove the stuff about abw2html.pl, as it does not exist anymore. * debian/rules: the documentation was not symlinked to the correct place. Will be forwarded to Debian (LP: #304046 https://launchpad.net/bugs/304046, #74623 https://launchpad.net/bugs/74623) * debian/patches: - add 01_fix_select_revision.dpatch from upstream svn. (LP: #319067 https://launchpad.net/bugs/319067) - 00list: updated. -- Jerome Guelfucci jerome.guelfu...@gmail.com https://launchpad.net/%7Ejerome-guelfucci Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:45:15 +0100 Thanks, Jerome!! =) -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Testing new Xubuntu features
Hi All, With the Global Bug Jam coming up, I wanted to see if there were particular new features in Xubuntu that you wanted people to test out during the bug jam. Please let me know, and I'll add them to my Loco Team wiki so that people at the bug jam can know to test them. We can also blog a bit about these new features so that people can know to test them during the New Features testing day that is coming up on Monday ( http://blog.qa.ubuntu.com/node/31 ). Best, Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Testing new Xubuntu features
On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Jelle de Jong jelledej...@powercraft.nlwrote: Hi Jim, Will the new release contain the beta/alpha 4.6 releases of the xfce team? Best regards, Jelle Hi Jelle, Yes, Xfce 4.6rc1 is currently in the Jaunty repos and is currently included in the default Xubuntu installation image. It looks like the Xfce developers will be releasing 4.6 final within the next few days, so I'm sure we'll be getting that version fairly soon, too. Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Xubuntu meetin minutes logs
Hi All, The meeting minutes and logs from today's meeting are up at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings/Archive/ Best, Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Xubuntu meetin minutes logs
Not only are the meetin minutes up, but the meeting minutes are up, too. ;) Jim On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Jim Campbell jwcampb...@ubuntu.comwrote: Hi All, The meeting minutes and logs from today's meeting are up at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings/Archive/ Best, Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Xubuntu team meeting this Sunday
Hi All, We're set to have a Xubuntu team meeting this Sunday at 20:00 UTC. The meeting will be held in #ubuntu-meeting on the ye olde FREENODE irc network. Hope to see you there. Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
9.04 Feature Freeze - coming soon
Hi All, I saw this on the mailing list that serves as a feeder for Ubuntu Weekly News updates, and thought I'd pass it along. 3) new packages: We'll take a harder policy in regrads to NEW this time, so bring in your pet package before FF, otherwise we'll just say NO! Feature freeze is set for 00:00 on February 19th, so please be sure to submit anything before then if you want it to be included in Xubuntu 9.04 (Jaunty Jackalope). Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Inclusion of xfce-taskmanager?
Hi All, One of the xfce-goodies that I've found to be useful is the xfce4-taskmanager package. It's a simple graphical utility that allows the user to see running processes, memory consumption, etc. You can also kill running processes from this utility. Among other things, I've found this utility to be helpful when killing a non-responsive program, as sometimes the top command doesn't always display the name of the non-responsive application. In those situations where I've been using top, I've had to guess at the name of the application when using the killall command. Using the taskmanager utility has always allowed me to see and take action on the non-responsive app. If we have the room on the cd, and assuming that the application hasn't been excluded for technical reasons (i.e. excessive memory usage / memory leaks or known bugs), could we include this as part of the default installation seeds? I think it would be an easy thing to include that would provide added benefit our users. Jim Also - w00t for the release of xfce-4.6-rc1. :) -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Inclusion of xfce-taskmanager?
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Vincent mailingli...@vinnl.nl wrote: On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Giuseppe Torelli colossu...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Jim Campbell jwcampb...@ubuntu.com wrote: If we have the room on the cd, and assuming that the application hasn't been excluded for technical reasons (i.e. excessive memory usage / memory leaks or known bugs), could we include this as part of the default installation seeds? I think it would be an easy thing to include that would provide added benefit our users. If I remember correctly xfce-task-manger was dropped in favour of gnome-system-monitor Yep, Gnome's System Monitor allows you to do the things mentioned above and more. Ok - good to know. I'll check it out. Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Reminder: Xubuntu meeting tomorrow
Hi All, As a reminder, we have our Xubuntu meeting scheduled for tomorrow, Sunday the 18th, at 2000 UTC. Meeting details are available on the wiki [1]. Hope to see you there! Jim [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: [ubuntu/jaunty] file-roller 2.25.1-0ubuntu1 (Accepted)
On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 08:20, Cody A.W. Somerville cody-somervi...@ubuntu.com wrote: I thought folks might be interested in the following upload notification's changelog :) -- Forwarded message -- From: Sebastien Bacher seb...@ubuntu.com Date: Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 7:15 AM Subject: [ubuntu/jaunty] file-roller 2.25.1-0ubuntu1 (Accepted) To: jaunty-chan...@lists.ubuntu.com file-roller (2.25.1-0ubuntu1) jaunty; urgency=low * New upstream version: Bugs fixed: - #564805: Drop libgnome/ui dependency. Another libgnome/ui bites the dust! -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Xubuntu Jaunty meeting schedule
On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 13:26, Vincent mailingli...@vinnl.nl wrote: 16:00 UTC works for me but 20:00 would as well. I would like a final reminder when the definite dates have been scheduled so I can add them to my own schedule :) Hi All, I've moved the meeting time to 20:00 UTC for Sunday the 18th. The update is on the wiki. Pax, Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Xubuntu Jaunty meeting schedule
Hi All, Per our meeting discussions towards the end of the last month, here's a tentative Xubuntu team meeting schedule for the remainder of the Jaunty release cycle. All meetings are scheduled for Sundays at 16:00 UTC*, which you can convert to your local time zone using the Time and Date website [1]. Agendas and other meeting details will be posted on the Xubuntu wiki [2]. Here are the meeting dates: January 18 February 15 March 15 April 5 (I've moved April's meeting date up in consideration of the Jaunty release schedule) Thanks, and happy hacking. :) Jim [1] http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedform.html [2] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings * If 1600 UTC is very problematic for you on Sundays, and you really want to be involved in the meetings, please reply to the ML and suggest a different time. We're a small enough group where I think we can be a bit flexible, but hopefully that time will work for all of us. -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Want to contribute to - Xubuntu Documentation Browser
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:50, Cody A.W. Somerville cody-somervi...@ubuntu.com wrote: I've received the following interesting e-mail. Jannis: Do you think you could follow up with Dinesh? I think a light weight xfce4 documentation browser would be beneficial to everyone instead of having to launch firefox or some other web browser. :) Cheers, Cody and Jannis, I would be curious to know how development of a xubuntu-doc-browser would result in us not using yelp to display Xubuntu docs for the 9.04 release. I have scripts together to adapt the Ubuntu docs to Xubuntu, but if this xubuntu-doc-browser can display ghelp links, we would have no problem. Per my discussions with Jannis on the phone at UDS, we could modify xfhelp4 to launch yelp, launching any xfce docs in yelp. Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Xubuntu team meeting
Hi all, On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 10:39, Jim Campbell jwcampb...@ubuntu.com wrote: Hi All, A Xubuntu team meeting would be good. When would be a good time to have one? This Saturday or Sunday? Jim I received word from Cody on IRC that he could make Saturday. Therefore, I propose that we meet in #ubuntu-meeting this Saturday, December 20, at 15:00 UTC. To convert this time to your time zone, please go here ( http://tinyurl.com/3wrlko ) [timeanddate.com]. Feel free to modify the agenda to include anything you'd like to discuss: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings See you on Saturday! Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Error when updating
Hi there, LP, On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 11:24 PM, LP [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. I am not sure this is the right place to ask this but here goes... I have an old laptop i haven't used for a while, so i thought i do an update on it. When i do apt-get update, i get a whole bunch of 404... It is Xubuntu Feisty, so it is kind of old, is that why? Sorry if this is not the right place to ask this but i was not sure where to ask There is a xubuntu-users mailing list that would be more appropriate for this question [1]. However, I can tell you that Xubuntu 7.04 is no longer supported, so that is why you were getting the 404 errors when trying to update your system. Regular (non-Long Term Support) releases are supported for 18 months following release, so you would need to upgrade to a more recent release to receive updates. Jim [1] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-users -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Daily Build
Hi Dwick On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 3:02 AM, dwick.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears that http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/ doesn't contain any jaunty iso's. There is an intrepid daily build at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/20081118/ but no jaunty. I've recently joined the xubuntu testing team. Can anyone point me to a live-cd daily build of Xubuntu Jaunty? Cody, are you up on any of this? IIRC, we had a similar situation during the start of the Intrepid release, but I don't recall the details. Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Daily Build
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 9:06 AM, Dave Morley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are going to be no live-fs cds for alpha 1 -- Ah, that was it - alternate testing CD's only for the early alpha(s). Thanks, Dave. Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Xubuntu daily build report
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Cody A.W. Somerville [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll agree one hundred percent with Vincent's reply to this one. All those skinnable players look funky and 'out-of-place' to me and always have, especially when you have to view it at double size due to having a high-resolution monitor (hmm... imagine a player that uses svg skins...). I do admit it's nice to have a separate media player. Totem's labeling as a Movie Player always threw me off... I don't know which one to suggest, honestly. I'll probably get used to it. Hell, I was happy with Xfmedia (despite xine lib bugs...), who am I to complain? :P So, do you have a suggestion? :) What about Quod Libet? It's written in Python, it has tons of plugins included, and when you change the default view, it looks very, very similar to rhythmbox. Note, I'm not making any claims as to lightness of the application (it uses a gstreamer back end, I think), but someone could check that out if they think it might make a good option. I'm using it on Xubuntu Intrepid, and I really like it - so it's just one person's opinion on things. Exaile might be a good option, too. :) Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Xubuntu docs
Hi All, I know I've been out of the loop for a bit lately. I've just been working a lot of hours for my regular job, so I haven't particularly wanted to spend many other waking hours in front of a PC. I'm still looking to wrangle the Xubuntu docs into shape for the Intrepid release, though. As I get moving on this project, though, I wanted to check and see if I had the go-ahead to base the Xubuntu docs off of the Ubuntu-Intrepid docs with the understanding that we would be using Yelp as our documentation browser. I know that this is something we had discussed earlier in the release cycle, and most people seemed to agree that there were valid reasons for making this move, but I just wanted to confirm before I put work into something that would not be useful. Thanks very much, and I hope you're all doing well, Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Website meeting - Aug 12, 2008
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 8:16 AM, Charlie Kravetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sorry, but I won't be able to make the website meeting scheduled for 1800 UTC today. Could someone let me know what is discussed? Good luck, Unfortunately, I will not be able to attend this session, either. Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Desktop becoming art
Hi Jmak, On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 9:27 PM, jmak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here, I would like to take the opportunity to send out a second call: is anybody out there who has a more depth understanding about the underlying code of the usplash and could help me implementing a new progress bar? Thanks, jmak Have you checked with anyone in the ubuntu-art mailing list? Perhaps someone on that list could be of more assistance. Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Xubuntu website meeting
Hi All, Unfortunately, I'll be unable to make our Xubuntu website meeting in #xubuntu-devel today. I have go to offsite to participate via IRC, and a work meeting came up adjacent to our scheduled meeting time. The tasks are being outlined on the wiki [1], so feel free to meet without me if you think it would be beneficial. Otherwise, I will be able to meet with you on our next scheduled date, next Tuesday. Sorry for the late notice, Jim [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/SpecialProjects -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: About the Xubuntu website
Hi All, On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 2:22 PM, Vincent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey guys, I'm currently reading up on the meeting log. Unfortunately I couldn't attend, but when it comes to the website, I think I might be able to help a little bit. Regarding the following: [14:28] technolalia keeping news, links and release notes up to date needs to be done regularly I'm already doing this and will continue to do so :) (Well, except for the release notes, though I might also be able to do so if I do do a timely upgrade for 8.10) Sounds good. Thanks, Vincent. Regarding the theme: I'm fluent with CSS. My problem with Drupal is that I don't know its HTML (which is easy to overcome, i.e. easy to grasp). What's more important, though, is whether other stylesheets are loaded with Drupal. Do I need to work around those? I wouldn't really be qualified to answer this question now, but maybe someone else can. The graphic design part isn't of primary importance at this time (see below). My second problem is time. At the moment, I've got a very long holiday so, when I'm not gone, I should have a lot of time to work on it. However, this means the theme itself should be finished pretty soon so I can spend some holiday time working on it before I start my university classes. Would that be possible? We were planning to flesh out the overall structure and content first before we got into design and theming. We're driving things from the inside out so that we don't start developing a theme that doesn't fit with how the site will be structured. Plus, I think it would be more motivational for designers if we said, Look, here's all of this content, can you help us build something around it? rather than just having them start to create a theme. Seeing that so much work had already been done would show how committed we are to the project. Still, design work will need to be done . . . I've started adding project info to the wiki [1], so please take a look at that page. We don't have anyone listed to do that artwork design elements at this time, so if you think you could contribute to that, please add your name there. (As a note, I'm going to create a table of project participants so that we can include our email addresses and irc handles, too. It will make it easier for us to stay in touch.) In terms of your availability to work on the project, we're trying to break the project down into smaller, well-defined chunks to make it easier for people to participate. Unfortunately, I haven't guaged how much time it will take per person, per week, but I will do my best to keep weekly time requirements down. I think that this time I can attend the website team meeting (Tuesday 18:00 UTC right?), my IRC nickname is vinnl (used to be vinze). We will have weekly meetings on Tuesdays at 1800 UTC, but we won't have the first one until next week, Tuesday, July 22. The meetings will be held in #xubuntu-devel. Talk to you soon, Jim [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/SpecialProjects -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Test the working GDM beta
Hi All, I've put together a working GDM based on Jozsef's artwork samples. You can download and use the tar.gz gdm theme archive from the Intrepid Artwork wiki page [1]. I've also put up a theme (screenshots on the same page) that I've worked on. It isn't finished, so thoughts, suggestions, comments are welcome. Jim [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Looking for power-manager in xubuntu
Hi Shirish, This is a known bug, but the gnome-power-manager is actually installed in Xubuntu. Please see information on this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/243848for how to view the power manager settings. Also, as a support request, this really should go in the xubuntu-users mailing list. Thanks, Jim On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 11:01 PM, shirish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I'm a newbie as far as xfce or xubuntu is concerned. Before this has been a GNOME user. In GNOME there is the gnome-power-manager where one can say after how much time the monitor should sleep or not. In XFCE, I couldn't find a similar utility. Any help or link for the same would be appreciable. -- Regards, Shirish Agarwal This email is licensed under http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/ 065C 6D79 A68C E7EA 52B3 8D70 950D 53FB 729A 8B17 -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Test the working GDM beta
On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 11:54 PM, jmak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Jim, Nice work. I like it. I have one comment though. We have to decide, right now that we continue with the traditional design, or join in with unbuntu and kubuntu and choose a flat design. Those who don't know the differences here is a mockup that explains. http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/6897/flatnotflatlv7.png The main point with the flat design is not that trendy but rather it is more efficient from the visual point of view because it eliminates as much visual noises as possible. Note to everybody: we dont talk about personal preferences here but visual efficiency, unity and coherence of the desktop. If you comment please dont say, I like it or I dont like. Those are not arguments. I do like the visual coherency that ubuntu is taking. i tried using a blended-gtk wm theme (which provides that coherency / lack of gradient), but it doesn't feature all of the xfwm4 buttons, and I wanted to use a native xfwm4 window manager theme to accomodate all of the available wm buttons. I liked the slender and clean aspects of the daolo xfwm4 theme, but would prefer something that wasn't quite as bubbly, and something that could provide a gradient-free appearance - it's just that it's not as easy to create a wm theme as it is to modify the murrina theme elements (just editing the gtkrc file). We've got some time, though, we can figure something out. One more thing, the icons. Are we ever going to get rid of the tango icons? There are some icon themes on the wiki, what do you think about them? I haven't tried to install all of them. I tried downloading the black-white iconset, but it didn't get picked up by the desktop appearance app after I had extracted the tarball to my .themes folder. I had just selected the tango-noir icon set for that snapshot as the colors of the icons seemed complimentary to the rest of the theme that I had cobbled together. I do see tango-noir as being different from the regular tango icon set that we've had for the past several releases - I mean, at least the color scheme is different, and some of the actual icons (i.e., trash) are different, too. If you have any hex codes for the color elements that you've been using in your desings, could you post them to the wiki, perhaps as a sub-page to the /incoming page that is set up to display the sample artwork right now? It would be good to have those available as common elements, so that no other contributors are reinventing the wheel in working on color schemes. Thanks, Jmak! Jim -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Re: Test the working GDM beta
On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 12:32 AM, Jim Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't tried to install all of them. I tried downloading the black-white iconset, but it didn't get picked up by the desktop appearance app after I had extracted the tarball to my .themes folder. Oops, I meant, ~/.icons folder. -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
REMINDER: Xubuntu team meeting tomorrow, 2008-07-12, 1300 UTC
Hi All, Just a reminder that we've scheduled a Xubuntu team meeting for tomorrow, Saturday, July 12th. Here are the meeting details: Meeting time: 1300 UTC (You can convert UTC time to your local time using this website. [1]) Meeting location: #ubuntu-meeting channel on the Freenode IRC network. Who should attend: Anyone who is currently contributing to Xubuntu or Xfce/Ubuntu development, packaging, triage, artwork, testing, documentation, or support, or who wants to contribute in any of those areas. I've set up an initial agenda for the meeting [2]. There's a lot we can cover, so we will need to do our best to be efficient. Please take a moment to review the agenda now, and feel free to add, change or remove any of the items. Thanks, and I look forward to seeing you there, Jim [1] http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html [2] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings -- xubuntu-devel mailing list xubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
