Re: [Zappa-List] FW: Republican View of Bush Administration I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS!!
Definitely "interesting"! Though it is very importantnot tofall for the 'Bush is not a real conservative' type line. Oh, yes he is - a geneuine, 100%, 24-carat reactionary/conservative/rightwinger!!! Otherwise, if not careful, you might fall for the illusion that the answer lies in a supposed 'real' conservatism, which is then falsely counterposed to 'unreal' or 'radical' conservatism. Dangerous path ... yes, yes, I know that Zappa talked about 'practical conservatism' - at one stage, anyway - but that makes no sense to me. Either you are a conservative/reactionary or you are not - or at least, that is the choice that will, ultimately, be presented, and you cannot avoid it (exceptin a pseduo way by retreating, or 'escaping',into philosophical obscurantism, get your Derrida or Wittingstein out or something). cheers, DANNYRichard Poulin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some of you may be familiar with this, I don't know, but I thought it would be appropriate. Great article!I can't belie-e-e-e-e-ve it!Richard--From: Nick Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: Nick Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 12:36:54 -0500To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Fw: Republican View of Bush Administration I CANT BELIVE THIS!!- Original Message - From: "Sarah B." To: "Nick Thompson"Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 2:33 PMSubject: Republican View of Bush Administration Look what we are up against fellow Republicans what are we going to do. It looks like Kerry is going to win. Charlie Reese writes for the Orlando Sentinel. He's a Conservative Republican who is anti-abortion, anti-tax-and-spend, loudly critical of legislation by the judiciary, doesn't think much of ulticulturalism or secularism, has suggested Clinton "turned the Oval Office into a whorehouse," thinks Ronald Reagan is the greatest thing to come down the pike since canned beer, and voted for Bush in the last election. So, take a look at his article which follows. Carrol C. Marks801 International Parkway Suite 5Orlando FL 32746 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vote For A Man, Not A PuppetOrlando SentinelCharlie Reese Americans should realize that if they vote for President Bush's re-election, they are really voting for the architects of war - Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz and the rest of that cabal of neoconservative ideologues and their corporate backers. I have sadly come to the conclusion that President Bush is merely a front man, an empty suit, who is manipulated by the people in his administration. Bush has the most dangerously simplistic view of the world of any president in my memory. It's no wonder the president avoids press conferences like the plague. Take away his cue cards and he can barely talk. Americans should be embarrassed that an Arab King (Abdullah of Jordan) spoke more fluently and articulately in English than our own President at their joint press conference recently. John Kerry is at least an educated man, well-read, who knows how to think and who knows that the world is a great deal more complex than Bush's comic-book world of American heroes and foreign evildoers. It's unfortunate that in our poorly educated country, Kerry's very intelligence and refusal to adopt simplistic slogans might doom his presidential election efforts. But Thomas Jefferson said it well, as he did so often, when he observed that people who expect to be ignorant and free expect what never was and never will be. People who think of themselves as conservatives will really display their stupidity, as I did in the last election, by voting for Bush. Bush is as far from being a conservative as you can get. Well, he fooled me once, but he won't fool me twice. It is not at all conservative to balloon government spending, to vastly increase the power of government, to show contempt for the Constitution and the rule of law, or to tell people that foreign outsourcing of American jobs is good for them, that giant fiscal and trade deficits don't matter, and that people should not know what their government is doing. Bush is the most prone-to-classify, the most secretive president in the 20th century. His administration leans dangerously toward the authoritarian. It's no wonder that the Justice Department has convicted a few Arab-Americans of supporting terrorism. What would you do if you found yourself arrested and a federal prosecutor whispers in your ear that either you can plea-bargain this or the President will designate you an enemy combatant and you'll be held incommunicado for the duration ? This election really is important, not only for domestic reasons, but because Bush's foreign policy has been a dangerous disaster. He's almost restarted the Cold War with Russia and the nuclear arms race. America is not only hated in the Middle East, but it has few friends anywhere in the world thanks to the arrogance and ineptness of the Bush administration. Don't forget, a scientific poll of Europeans found us, Israel, North Korea and
Re: [Zappa-List] Who do you really think will win? Gamble on the election?
All this does is prove - yet again!! - the vital importance of scrapping the elctoral college system. Period. DANNYJim L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian Winans wrote - - edit - Yet, the only way this procedure would be needed is if the Electoral College is split 269-269 if an elector switches their vote or abstains. A Republican West Virginia elector has already vowed to switch his vote if Bush wins his state. Does it trouble anyone else that an elector has already said he will switch his vote? If I'm understanding this right he will be switching it to Kerry but what if it was the other way around? Jim L - Original Message - From: Brian Winans To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 12:08 AM Subject: RE: [Zappa-List] Who do you really think will win? Gamble on the election? My money would be on a Bush and Edwards administration. Read on:WASHINGTON -- If the presidential election is as close as many expect it to be and neither President George W. Bush or Democratic presidential nominee John F. Kerry can earn the 270 electoral votes to be elected president, then the U.S. House of Representatives would be called on to choose the winner.The 12th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which was ratified in 1804 in response to the 1801 presidential election when Thomas Jefferson failed to receive an electoral majority, gives the House the responsibility of choosing the president, while the U.S. Senate picks the vice president.Only two times in U.S. history has this happened. The House chose John Quincy Adams instead of Andrew Jackson in 1825 because several third-party candidates sifted electoral votes away from them. In 1837, the Senate was asked to choose the vice president after a disputed race before the time that political parties ran on the same ticket.While this scenario is certainly not probable, it is quite possible considering the closeness of the candidates this year.The new president and vice president would be chosen by a joint session of the House and Senate on January 6, 2005 when they officially count the electoral votes for each candidate.If neither candidate receives 270 votes, then Bush would likely be reelected since control of the House is solidly with Republicans.Each of the fifty states receives one vote as prescribed by the 12th Amendment and Republicans have a majority delegation in 30 of those states.Yet, the only way this procedure would be needed is if the Electoral College is split 269-269 if an elector switches their vote or abstains. A Republican West Virginia elector has already vowed to switch his vote if Bush wins his state.Additionally, Colorado's ballot initiative that would split that state's electoral votes rather than the usual winner-take-all for the winner of the popular vote could play a role in making the presidential race tighter than expected.Finally, if the Democrats regain control of the U.S. Senate in next week's elections, then they would probably choose Democratic vice presidential nominee John Edwards to join Bush in the executive branch._Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar.Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free!http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/jGKolB/TM~- For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zappa-List/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Get unlimited calls to U.S./Canada Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zappa-List/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Zappa-List] FW: Republican View of Bush Administration I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS!!
John Kerry is at least an educated man, well-read, who knows how to think and who knows that the world is a great deal more complex than Bush's comic-book world of American heroes and foreign evildoers. No fair! Many comics are *far* more complex than Bush's morality ;) -- http://dumbangel.keenspace.com A webcomic about Smile Updated (approximately) weekly Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/jGKolB/TM ~- For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zappa-List/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Zappa-List] CRIS- THANK YOU
Cris, The disc you sent showed up today. Very kind of you indeed! I'm eternally grateful. I can't believe I hadn't made it a point to listen to The Grand Wazoo before. What sort of dismal excuse for a Zappa fan must I be? Darrell For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zappa-List/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[Zappa-List] CLOSED - Reoffer - Buffalo 74 plus mystery disc
Offer closed. Look for Luis in Argentina to reoffer soon. Thanks again to Mike A for seeing this! Really nice! b -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:10:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Barry Warren Polley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Zappa-List] Reoffer - Buffalo 74 plus mystery disc Kindly supplied by Mike Ahern, this package (two FLAC discs) awaits its next lucky recipient. First email to me with promise to reoffer worldwide gets it. b For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/jGKolB/TM ~- For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zappa-List/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zappa-List] Re: OFF TOPIC
Well, that's better than my wife's chosen term for it. She refers to it as being a "Dickhead". Curses!! Well, I'll see if I can track it down, as a lifelong Dickite (if you excuse the _expression_). cheers, DANNY For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zappa-List/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[Zappa-List] US Elections - make a politics noise here!
Good morning, America!! Yep, almosttime to wake up and smell the coffee: http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1340170,00.html http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,6903,1340157,00.html http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3955757.stm http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1340170,00.html http://www.guardian.co.uk/flash/0,5860,1112284,00.html http://observer.guardian.co.uk/focus/story/0,6903,1340258,00.html http://observer.guardian.co.uk/focus/story/0,6903,1340230,00.html Of course, the crying tragedy is that only only one of them can lose!! (yes, including Nader). Oh yes, I really like Frank Zappa's music. cheers, DANNY p.s. I think my internet references/shortcuts, etc, are all screwed up. Don't know why. ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Get unlimited calls to U.S./Canada Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zappa-List/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Zappa-List] FW: Republican View of Bush Administration I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS!!
Well said! In England we fail to understand what Blair, a supposedly intelligent person, sees in Puppet Bush! Don't forget to vote for a more peaceful world tomorrow, dear American brethren; we are holding our breath on this side of the pond, all the best, Kind Regards, nick Original Message Follows From: Andrew Hickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Zappa-List] FW: Republican View of Bush Administration I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS!! Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 13:29:38 + John Kerry is at least an educated man, well-read, who knows how to think and who knows that the world is a great deal more complex than Bush's comic-book world of American heroes and foreign evildoers. No fair! Many comics are *far* more complex than Bush's morality ;) -- http://dumbangel.keenspace.com A webcomic about Smile Updated (approximately) weekly Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/jGKolB/TM ~- For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zappa-List/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Zappa-List] FW: Republican View of Bush Administration I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS!!
Must admit, I would seriously question the idea that John Kerry is "an educated man, well-read, who knows how to think"!! Kerry, maybe,has a veneer ofeducationat veryexpensive fee-payingcolleges, but this is strictly of the straight-laced think-as-you-are-told to variety. Surely, almost by definition - he cannot know how to "think" (even if he can speak French!!)because he is a 100% creature of the establishment, therefore fully accepts received opinion/prejudices, and is fully committed to the patriotic maintenance of the American military-business-industrial complex. Take his alarming views on Iraq and the 'war against terrorism', virtually to the right of Bush. Grim times indeed, DANNYAndrew Hickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Kerry is at least an educated man, well-read, who knows how to think and who knows that the world is a great deal more complex than Bush's comic-book world of American heroes and foreign evildoers. No fair!Many comics are *far* more complex than Bush's morality ;)-- http://dumbangel.keenspace.comA webcomic about SmileUpdated (approximately) weeklyFor further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zappa-List/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[Zappa-List] 1973 Austin show and 1980 Munchen vine is closed
Hi folks, Look for Nick Ullman in England to re-offer this awesome package. Thanks and have a great day! Chris email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. "I'm gonna be on you like thigh fat on a Dixie Chick !"- Roy D Mercer Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. For further Z-related fun, please visit http://www.thebignote.com or http://www.killuglyradio.com , thank you. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zappa-List/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
