Re: [Zim-wiki] Folder structure
On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 8:22 PM, Svenn Are Bjerkem svenn.bjer...@googlemail.com wrote: The issue about not being able to have attachments with .txt has been discussed in a thread some time back. Using .txt for magic purposes in Zim has negative side effects. To my knowledge, all files named .txt are captured by Zim for page use. The same problem was encountered by Asciidoc. They used .txt as standard suffix, but it seems like things like github forced the use of .asciidoc in order to know what to do with the file. I think the same is kind of valid for Zim. In my opinion, Zim-formatted pages should have .zimwiki or .zimdoc or .zimtxt suffix to make them explicitly belonging to zim. I have issues with naming attachment directories AA-attachment as this prevent the possibility to put a zim notebook on top of an already existing directory structure. But this feature is crippled as soon as zim finds a .txt file not being an actual zim .txt, so I cannot currently use it that way. Redefining the zim suffix would help here. I once put some effort into changing zim to use .zimwiki instead of .zim, but the structure I wanted to zimify had to be restructured a bit anyway, so I started from scratch on the structure and skipped the patching, as I expected this to be a local change I had to rewind on every update of zim. I think the folder structure and the suffix solve two different issues. The folder structure changes puts the actual page in the same folder as it's attachments and sub-pages. Rationale is to have all in one view when you look with the file browser. The suffix, or the -attachments folders solve a problem for indexing. This is a problem I will solve differently when refactoring the index. The idea is that zim will inspect the content of text files to determine whether or not it are pages. I don't mind allowing alternative suffix as well if that makes interoperability easier, but for default will stick to .txt. As I understand it, this discussion started out with the first issue. Second issue requires different solutions. Regards, Jaap ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Zim-wiki] I registered an IRC channel on FreeNode for Zim
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 3:19 AM, Brendan Kidwell sn...@glump.net wrote: In the last few months I've become one of those people who hangs out on a handful of IRC channels during most of the work day, using a remote client connected to a core IRC gateway (Quassel IRC) that keeps me always online on the various IRC networks I use. I took the initiative to create a channel #zim-wiki for Zim support and other Zim-related conversations. We will follow the How to be a Good Catalyst document ( http://freenode.net/catalysts.shtml ) and Channel Guidelines ( http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml ) and generally try to make sure that anyone who shows up plays nice, just the same as on this mailing list. Jaap: Would you endorse this channel and list it on http://zim-wiki.orgon the appropriate page? (If not, I'll change the name to ##zim-wiki to indicate that it's unofficial.) All: Do you think YOU could be a good op (moderator) and want to be one, in addition to myself? If you don't know what all this is, read the docs ( https://www.freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml ), log on to FreeNode, and join the channel #zim-wiki. Afraid I won't be able to join this channel. I can not justify having more distractions during my working day. In the evening time spent behind a computer is scarce lately and when I do, I want to focus on the tasks at hand. If there are others that want to pick it up and maintain such a channel I have no problem to list it on the website. Regards, Jaap ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Zim-wiki] Folder structure
2013/8/20 Jaap Karssenberg jaap.karssenb...@gmail.com: [...] The suffix, or the -attachments folders solve a problem for indexing. This is a problem I will solve differently when refactoring the index. The idea is that zim will inspect the content of text files to determine whether or not it are pages. I don't mind allowing alternative suffix as well if that makes interoperability easier, but for default will stick to .txt. [...] Regards, Jaap Just a quick list of issues that are raised by the ambigous file extension and would require major (probably OS-dependent) pains to fix without changing the extension: + No distinction from plain text files by icon (inconvenient e.g. when viewing results of desktop search). + No double-click-to-open in file browsers / search results without breaking the behaviour for non-zim .txt files. + ZIM must check .txt files for ZIM page format, - when indexing - when listing attachments - ... ? + When processing notebooks through an interactive shell, distinguishing normal text files from zim page files is unviable and inconvenient when processing them with shell scripts. Is there some reason, why you want to keep the .txt extension? I can't see much of an advantage. - Klaus ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Zim-wiki] File extension (was: Folder structure)
On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 11:29 AM, Klaus-Dieter Bauer bauer.klaus.die...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/8/20 Jaap Karssenberg jaap.karssenb...@gmail.com: [...] The suffix, or the -attachments folders solve a problem for indexing. This is a problem I will solve differently when refactoring the index. The idea is that zim will inspect the content of text files to determine whether or not it are pages. I don't mind allowing alternative suffix as well if that makes interoperability easier, but for default will stick to .txt. [...] Regards, Jaap Just a quick list of issues that are raised by the ambigous file extension and would require major (probably OS-dependent) pains to fix without changing the extension: + No distinction from plain text files by icon (inconvenient e.g. when viewing results of desktop search). + No double-click-to-open in file browsers / search results without breaking the behaviour for non-zim .txt files. + ZIM must check .txt files for ZIM page format, - when indexing - when listing attachments - ... ? + When processing notebooks through an interactive shell, distinguishing normal text files from zim page files is unviable and inconvenient when processing them with shell scripts. Is there some reason, why you want to keep the .txt extension? I can't see much of an advantage. I'm sorry to be a bit blunt, but the point in the previous mail was not to hijack the previous topic with this discussion - so see my changed topic line for this mail. The topic on the file extension has been discussed several times on this list. I do not deny that there are issues with the current format, but I have not yet seen a workable solution that I could apply without much work on my side. In short, when you change the extension you will still need to support existing notebooks with .txt files. This means you have still have to solve detection of txt files in zim + you need to deal with multiple extensions. How do you deal with conflicts where there are two pages with the same name but different file extension - which one is the real page ? I do have thinks on my roadmap to put things in place to ready the way to allow multiple extensions. Ones we can support multiple, we can support switching. Admitted, this is a slow process, especially as I have not been able to do much coding in the last few months. If you want it faster, please help out with implementing an upgrade path for existing notebooks. Regards, Jaap ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Zim-wiki] I finally found an easy solution to sync my zim notebook across computers
On 20 August 2013 05:30, Brendan Kidwell sn...@glump.net wrote: Keep an eye on https://prism-break.org/ for answers to questions like this for networking and storage needs. The site lists some FOSS-only live/online file sync tools; it looks like they all require a central coordination server (one that you control or one that you rent capacity on), or optionally more than one server for fault tolerance. If you can provide a central point of contact upon which to run the sync software you choose, something like ownCloud or SparkleShare should do the trick for you. I switched to seafile earlier this year, and I am so far very satisfied with its syncing abilities. -- Svenn ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Zim-wiki] I finally found an easy solution to sync my zim notebook across computers
➢ I wonder if their is anything else available for peer-to-peer sync'ing - apart from SFTP and SSH? Why not use the built in support for version control? I'm using Bazzar with an SVN backend. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Zim-wiki] I finally found an easy solution to sync my zim notebook across computers
On 20 August 2013 20:47, Charles Medcoff cmedc...@hotmail.com wrote: ➢ I wonder if their is anything else available for peer-to-peer sync'ing - apart from SFTP and SSH? Why not use the built in support for version control? I'm using Bazzar with an SVN backend. seafile can be configured to delete changes older than a specified number of days and by this keep the overhead on the server down. -- Svenn ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki Post to : zim-wiki@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~zim-wiki More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
