Re: [ZION] wind power
Victoria has a few wind-power projects going or recently completed. I am not
convinced they are any good outside a small to medium sized town, a city of 1 - (NY
sized) would not be practical. I am concerned about it here because we have an
abundance of coal and natural gas, talking about alternatives like solar and wind
seems irrelevant.
Clifford M Dubery
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From: Marc A. Schindler
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Subject: [ZION] wind power
Thought those of you who keep track of alternative energy might be
interested in this article:
[Toronto] Globe and Mail 29/10/02.
http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/GIS.Servlets.HTMLTemplate?current_row=1tf=tgam/search/tgam/SearchFullStory.htmlcf=tgam/search/tgam/SearchFullStory.cfgconfigFileLoc=tgam/configencoded_keywords=transalta+plansoption=start_row=1start_row_offset1=num_rows=1search_results_start=1query=transalta+plans
Ironic that Alberta, which is by far the country's largest oil (and
coal) producer, also leads the country in wind power. Most of them are
those big Vestas 3-blade turbines. The place names in the chart at the
end of the article may not mean anything to those outside Alberta, but
Hillspring (a Mormon town), Pincher Creek and the Peigan Reserve are in
the exit barrel of tremendous winds that come pouring through the
Kicking Horse Pass. Note that some of the projects exceed 20 MW; we're
talking serious wind energy here.
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Re: [ZION] aurora borealis spotting
At 23:36 10/29/2002 -0700, you wrote: Okay, some people are train spotters. I'm an aurora spotter. We've had aurorae for some time now. My wife woke me up at 04:00 one morning to see a very unusual display. It was a greenish white swoosh across the entire sky, with the moon right in the middle. Very neat. I've uploaded a very nice picture of the aurora if anyone's interested. It happens to be a digital picture, actually, but is still a spectacular picture. http://www.geocities.com/marcschindler1/aurora.jpg Wow, THAT'S the view from your porch? I'm impressed! Till / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [ZION] The veil
At 00:37 10/31/2002 +0800, His Grace, Bishop Mark wrote: Of course, a truly modern version of this sonnet would be unprintable, but cleaned up it might go something like: Can love last forever? And what if it did? Nights like when Tom called to say that he couldn't come back Because nothing felt the same anymore Seared her soul and she thought Why not? I've found a younger, truer kind of love, he said. And she wanted to scream and scream at him like a banshee For knowing how a wrinkle killed the bloom of romance. She hated his guts forever but he never thought about it. Anyway, that's how I see it. Good job, that's a real masterpiece of translation. Poets must be a distinctly unhappy lot. But then, I believe that they do sometimes accurately reflect the spirit of the times. (Tom, Elf and other present company excepted, of course). Not so, my friend, my finest poetry always comes out of some sort of misery. I'll take the first statement, Poets must be a distinctly unhappy lot. Till who is ONLY speaking for himself / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] wind power
It's a matter of price and efficiency. The wind that comes out of the Kicking Horse
Pass has been known to knock semis off the highway -- that's why so many are in that
area. They just feed into the existing provincial power grid.
Clifford M Dubery wrote:
Victoria has a few wind-power projects going or recently completed. I am not
convinced they are any good outside a small to medium sized town, a city of 1 - (NY
sized) would not be practical. I am concerned about it here because we have an
abundance of coal and natural gas, talking about alternatives like solar and wind
seems irrelevant.
Clifford M Dubery
- Original Message -
From: Marc A. Schindler
Sent: Wednesday, 30 October 2002 18:04
To: Recipient list suppressed
Subject: [ZION] wind power
Thought those of you who keep track of alternative energy might be
interested in this article:
[Toronto] Globe and Mail 29/10/02.
http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/GIS.Servlets.HTMLTemplate?current_row=1tf=tgam/search/tgam/SearchFullStory.htmlcf=tgam/search/tgam/SearchFullStory.cfgconfigFileLoc=tgam/configencoded_keywords=transalta+plansoption=start_row=1start_row_offset1=num_rows=1search_results_start=1query=transalta+plans
Ironic that Alberta, which is by far the country's largest oil (and
coal) producer, also leads the country in wind power. Most of them are
those big Vestas 3-blade turbines. The place names in the chart at the
end of the article may not mean anything to those outside Alberta, but
Hillspring (a Mormon town), Pincher Creek and the Peigan Reserve are in
the exit barrel of tremendous winds that come pouring through the
Kicking Horse Pass. Note that some of the projects exceed 20 MW; we're
talking serious wind energy here.
--
Marc A. Schindler
Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland
Guns donât kill people; people with guns kill people
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RE: [ZION] The veil
Can love last forever? And what if it did? Nights like when Tom called to say that he couldn't come back Because nothing felt the same anymore Seared her soul and she thought Why not? I've found a younger, truer kind of love, he said. And she wanted to scream and scream at him like a banshee For knowing how a wrinkle killed the bloom of romance. She hated his guts forever but he never thought about it. Anyway, that's how I see it. Good job, that's a real masterpiece of translation. It is good. But almost anything coming out of Shakespearean or Elizabethan English seems to suffer from the transformation. The Creative Essence is my sheepherder comes to mind. Poets must be a distinctly unhappy lot. But then, I believe that they do sometimes accurately reflect the spirit of the times. (Tom, Elf and other present company excepted, of course). Not so, my friend, my finest poetry always comes out of some sort of misery. I'll take the first statement, Poets must be a distinctly unhappy lot. It is true that the venerable Till has been known to turn to verse more frequently in his darkest moments. Things must be looking up for him though, because his output has diminished markedly in the past year or so. Would to find that the Till wrote more verse But it may be he's blessed with a curse If he's happy his muse He'll inev'tably lose Till can't write again till he gets worse! Tom Till who is ONLY speaking for himself // /// /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// // /// / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[ZION] Chechen gas
Turns out the earlier speculation I had posted about which gas was used
against the Chechen terrorists in the Moscow theatre was wrong: Russian
officials are saying it was fenatyl, an opiate some 50 times more potent
than morphine.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/international/AP-Russia-Theater-Raid-Gas.html?ex=1036645200en=987f8cf4c259ff3cei=5040partner=MOREOVER
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[ZION] The Democratic Gaul
Can you imagine the nerve of the Democrats at Paul Wellstone's memorial service? I'm not very impressed with the liberal agenda, but I have long believed Wellstone to be a sincere and good man. Yet, here were his friends and son using this memorial to orchestrate a big media launch for the democratic party. How crass! They took a good man's name and turned it into a media/political circus. With friends like that, who needs enemies? I know Minnesotans like democrats, but I hope they are so disgusted with what has happened, that they vote against the Mondale and the democrats there. Perhaps it will let those political dogs gain some actual human and humane perspective. K'aya K'ama, Gerald/gary Smithgszion1 @juno.comhttp://www .geocities.com/rameumptom/index.html No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he's free. - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[ZION] You just don't get it
Just to show I do get it, let me clarify my position. First off, there was a Great Apostasy. The Lord began sending light and truth down to prepare the way for the restoration through Joseph Smith. The fulness of the gospel was restored through the living prophets. The Church is different than all other Churches for two reasons: we have fuller truths, the Gift of the Holy Ghost, and we have authority of God. We have the truths and authority to exalt, to give a fulness of salvation. Now, let me explain the Great Apostasy. It was a loss of authority, and much truth was lost, also. However, people still have the light of Christ to guide them (as well as the Holy Ghost) to give them some saving truths. These truths are enough to save most in a kingdom of glory. If the world had been in a total apostasy of Satanic darkness, there would have been nothing but sons of perdition and no one to save. God wants all his children to be exalted, but accepts giving his children what level of light they are willing to receive. Though other Churches do not exalt, they can help save. If a Baptist or Muslim church can help a person live a terrestrial life, that person has received a great blessing. Hopefully that person would later accept the fuller truths in the LDS Church. I understand your viewpoint, John. And I agree with it in many ways. However, I do not see the point of using vinegar all the time. The other day, I was with the Elders teaching a young woman the second discussion. We were discussing baptism, and she asked if she needed to be rebaptized, as her old minister had baptized her and he was one of the greatest men in her life. He had helped her turn her life around from living a life of drugs and teen pregnancy, into a wholesome life as a stay at home mother and wife. Should we have told her that her old minister was an apostate and his baptism was of Satan? Yeah, that would have gone far in getting her converted, eh? Vinegar. Instead, we explained that many ministers do much good work, yet there has always been a question of authority between Catholics and Protestants. In the LDS Church, we know that the Lord gave his priesthood authority to Joseph Smith, so there isn't any question on authority. She was satisfied with the answer and has accepted baptism for next month. I know these other religions cannot exalt. That is what we are here for. Yet, I do recognize the good they do, just as Brigham Young, Spencer Kimball and other prophets have noted. The prophets know there was an apostasy. They condemn false doctrines, as I do. But they don't go around with a chip on their shoulder, either. They teach our truths without seeking to offend. Alma said to be bold without overbearing. That is my goal, to teach the truths of God without offending. K'aya K'ama, Gerald/gary Smithgszion1 @juno.comhttp://www .geocities.com/rameumptom/index.html No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he's free. - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe JWR: To those who defend apostate sects: You just don't get it. There was a Great Apostasy during the first two centuries of the Christian era. It was caused by the devil and his followers introducing false doctrine. The apostasy was complete. The priesthood was taken from the earth. The churches not only lost their right to perform the saving ordinances, but they also began to teach false doctrine. Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[ZION] My Future Plans
It depends. Can you get me a decent job in Utah, or perhaps with Dr Zawahiri in Egypt ;-) K'aya K'ama, Gerald/gary Smithgszion1 @juno.comhttp://www .geocities.com/rameumptom/index.html No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he's free. - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe Paul: What about Paul's 6,000 year plan, man? Will you buy that one too? ;-) Paul O Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] My Future Plans
Zawahir was last seen travelling on horseback towards the Pakistani border, along
with Osama bin Laden. For some odd reason he took a trail only horses could
traverse, while we allies bombed his more-or-less empty caves. Seriously, Judith
Miller, in her book God Has 99 Names talks a lot about Muhammed al-Zawahir, if
it's the guy I'm thinking of. Black horn-rimmed glasses, spiritual mentor to bin
Laden?
Gary Smith wrote:
It depends. Can you get me a decent job in Utah, or perhaps with Dr
Zawahiri in Egypt ;-)
K'aya K'ama,
Gerald/gary Smithgszion1 juno.comhttp://www
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Paul:
What about Paul's 6,000 year plan, man? Will you buy that one too?
;-)
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[ZION] Sonia Johnson (was: Who is the House of Israel?)
-Marc- FWIW, this is exactly how I remember it, too. She also made a public snit about how her 12-year old daughter wasn't allowed to pass the sacrament. As I recall, her marriage broke up again and she declared she'd been a lesbian all along. Bit of a wacko. Wonder whatever happened to her? rant As far as I am concerned, Sonia Johnson is living proof of the inspiration in the Church. Since her excommunication (supposedly for supporting the ERA -- uh huh), she has shown her true roots as an ultra-radical man-hating feminist in the purest tradition of Andrea Dworkin. I am sorry for her ex-husband, moreso for her children (especially her son), and even for her -- but I am not sorry she can no longer appropriately be called a Mormon. /rant Stephen / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Chechen gas
At 09:35 PM 10/30/02, Marc A. Schindler wrote: Turns out the earlier speculation I had posted about which gas was used against the Chechen terrorists in the Moscow theatre was wrong: Russian officials are saying it was fenatyl, an opiate some 50 times more potent than morphine. Not to be confused with the similar sounding chicken gas: an equally potent vapor familiar to the downwind neighbors of poultry farmers as the aroma of poop from the coop . . . --Ronn! :) Bathroom humor is an American-Standard. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
