Re: [ZION] Good news/bad news

2003-08-23 Thread John W. Redelfs
Jon Spencer wrote:
McAfee (is that it?) doesn't catch the virus.  I know this because our 
virus software at work is - well was until today - McAfee.  We are now 
switching to Norton/Symantec, like I have had at home for several 
years.  However, my 'puter didn't get infected because I NEVER open any 
attachment that I am not expecting, or that I don't verify somehow.
I've been getting about 10-15 infected email per day, but my McAfee is 
working.  Maybe you guys didn't have the latest definitions or something, 
do you think?  --JWR

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Re: [ZION] Regarding Celebrations of Birthdays

2003-08-23 Thread Paul Osborne

On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 12:52:13 -0500 Stacy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> Hi.  This is something I wasn't taught by the missionaries.  I guess 
> they 
> didn't feel it was necessary to mention it.  I'm curious why the 
> Jehovah's 
> Witnesses do not celebrate birthdays but we feel it is okay.  
> Apparently 
> they claim they have a Biblical reason not to do so.  Yet we 
> celebrate 
> them.  I noticed this because the latest news always says when 
> President 
> Hinckley or Thomas S. Monson, etc., celebrate their birthdays.  I'm 
> really 
> curious about justifications or the lack of for celebrations of 
> birthdays.
> 
> Stacy.


Two fold. Accounts of birthday celebrations in the Bible are Pharoah &
Harod and since they were wicked-- birthdays are bad! 

Also, there is a Bible verse that talks about how we should only honor
God. Birthdays are bad because they honor people when all honor should
only go to God.

Isn't that just stupid? 

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Re: [ZION] Witnessing Excommunications by Churches

2003-08-23 Thread Doug McGee
Stacy,

I've had the unfortunate opportunity to sit in on several church
disciplianry courts that ended in excommunication.

The only persons present are the Bishopric, a clerk, and the member
having disciplinary action taken against them.  On occasion, a witness
may be brought in.

They are not "public" and the proceedings are private as well.  The
outcome is know by those present, the Stake Presidency, and the Church.
Well, the Lord know too.

Not something pretty or nice.  All were very sad occasions that I was
in attendance at.  All were very strongly attended by the Spirit.

Doug





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-- Original Message --
From: Stacy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date:  Fri, 22 Aug 2003 13:39:27 -0500

>Hi.  Has anyone ever witnessed an actual excommunication of someone else by 
>this or any other church?  It seems to me that most churches refuse to do 
>it.  Why this bothers me I'm not sure, because I know that other churches 
>don't have the authority to really matter but somehow it does.  I think it 
>reflects the moral character of the times.  Are they generally public or 
>private affairs?  By "public" I suppose I mean church-attended, of course.
>
>Stacy.
>
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[ZION] Regarding Celebrations of Birthdays

2003-08-23 Thread Stacy Smith
Hi.  This is something I wasn't taught by the missionaries.  I guess they 
didn't feel it was necessary to mention it.  I'm curious why the Jehovah's 
Witnesses do not celebrate birthdays but we feel it is okay.  Apparently 
they claim they have a Biblical reason not to do so.  Yet we celebrate 
them.  I noticed this because the latest news always says when President 
Hinckley or Thomas S. Monson, etc., celebrate their birthdays.  I'm really 
curious about justifications or the lack of for celebrations of birthdays.

Stacy.

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RE: [ZION] West Nile virus

2003-08-23 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 03:33 PM 8/22/2003, Jim wrote:

One of the survey team members I was working with is from Tridell.
Turns out that her family, the Brinkerhoffs, are also relatives of my
brother-in-law.  It was interesting to make the connection.  My
brother-in-law, Gene Cook, is also related to the McKee family in
Tridell.
It seems like, If I recall correctly , that I'm related somehow to 
both the Brinkerhoffs and the McKee's.



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RE: [ZION] West Nile virus

2003-08-23 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 03:33 PM 8/22/2003, Jim wrote:

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Steven, I mostly just bump into trees at work.

I am working for the Forest Service this summer, counting all the trees
on the mountains of Ashley National Forest.
Great area though--isn't it?



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