RE: [ZION] Feedback Please - Chapter 5
Jonathan Scott wrote: Each year there are 1.3 million abortions in the US. There have been over 40 million abortions since Roe vs Wade in the US alone. Currently, 1 in every five pregnancies in the US results in abortion. America has a population of 291 million. Were abortion illegal, its population would be approximately 331 million. This is a difference of 12%. I'll simply observe at this point that some persons advocate open access to abortion precisely because it reduces the population from what it might have been otherwise. Zero Population Growth advocates tend to be the most radical of all, tending to feel that any extra person upon the face of the planet can only be a net liability, basically just another consumer of resources and generator of wastes. The viewpoint is repugnant, but it exists nonetheless. I even remember a couple of years ago responding to a woman's letter to the editor in our local paper that came from that perspective. All the best, /Sandy/ -- The Rabinowitz Family -- http://www.firstnephi.com Spring Hill, Tennessee // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Federal Marriage Amendment
It means that no legal document can require marriage to also apply to same sex or other couplings. This doesn't disallow unions for them, just proscribes that the term and form of marriage be saved for man and woman. Gary Jonathan Scott wrote: Neither this Constitution or the constitution of any State, nor state or federal law, shall be construed to require that marital status or the legal incidents thereof be conferred upon unmarried couples or groups. Sorry, but can someone tell me what this part means? -- Jonathan Scott Gerald (Gary) Smith geraldsmith@ juno.com http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Defend Marriage Petition, more information, installment 2
I have not followed the issue in detail over the past years as you evidently have, so I am not very well informed. what I can tell you though, is that a reporters job is to make sure that the story can stand alone, , unless the srticle indicates it is part of a series. Proctors comments about the information being buried, in my opinion, are valid. we sure do not hear any comments about this study from main stream news sources in our area. respectfully Bob Taylor What it indicates, Bob, is that Ms. Proctor is a half-baked reporter herself. -Original Message- From: Rusty Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 9:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] Defend Marriage Petition, more information, installment 2 Dear Zionistas-- here's a follow up to my initial transmission http://www.ldsmag.com/ideas/040303more.html Bob Taylor Dear Zionistas this article, while supplying no really new information, certainly confirms my previous suspicions regarding the printed media in our country. while this does not necessarily indicate a media conspiracy, I would say it indicates they at least think alike on this particular topic. http://www.ldsmag.com/ideas/040301press.html Last week two long-anticipated studies were released on the sexual abuse scandal that has plagued the Catholic Church, and it is hard to believe that the reporters from the New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, the Washington Post, and the Washington Times were at the same press conference, because they certainly didnt get the same story. By Maurine Jensen Proctor Bob Taylor *** *** There are no coincidences, only small miracles. Author Unknown *** *** /// /// /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// /// // --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://lists.topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.b6crSN.cnJ0YXls Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^- --- * * There are no coincidences, only small miracles. Author Unknown * * / / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ** There are no coincidences, only small miracles. Author Unknown ** // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
[ZION] Steve Farrell on the Marriage Amendment
Many of you know that Steve Farrell and I are best friends. Best friends or not, we are somewhat divided over whether or not an amendment is the best way to defend traditional marriages. While Steve is in favor of a Marriage Amendment, I am in favor or protecting traditional marriages by limiting the jurisdiction of Federal Courts. Anyway, in the interest of balance grin, here is Steve Farrell's latest, taken from http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/3/3/134302.shtml: Marriage the Constitution: Time for an Amendment? Steve Farrell Wednesday, Mar. 03, 2004 Do we need to amend the Constitution to defend the age old tradition of marriage? Professor Richard Wilkins, former Assistant to the Solicitor General of the United States, and the founder and managing director of Defend Marriage (a project of United Families International), believes so. A little over a week ago, he asked me to join Defend Marriage as their press director. I accepted; and why not? Is there a more vital cause? The traditional family is the transmission belt of the values of a free society. You know this. I know this. Our enemies know this. Destroy the family, and a nation is ripe for revolution. Let's not mince words. The family is key; and there are forces that would like to take the traditional family out, forever. We can't let them. Despite the settled belief that this is true, however, Wilkins notes, many are confused as to why the federal constitution needs to be amended to save marriage. Isn't this an issue for the states? they ask. Won't this diminish the 'sacred nature' of the Constitution? others wonder. These are substantial concerns, he says. However, these very concerns rather than suggesting that we 'leave the Constitution alone' now impose upon the people a duty to provide a constitutional definition for marriage. Unless the people clearly establish the constitutional meaning of marriage, the judges will do it for us and, in the process, erode the very idea of a written Constitution, expand judicial power and upset the vital balance of power established by the Framers of the United States Constitution. Good points. Professor Wilkins suggests we consider the following: # Although it appears the Constitution was written to leave questions like marriage to the states, this has not stopped federal courts from intruding where the Constitution gives them no license to tread. The United States Supreme Court has decreed that states can not 'demean' any adult consensual sexual relationship. Lawrence v. Texas. This new rule nowhere supported by the text of the Constitution nor by the history, traditions or practices of the American people will shortly require all states in the nation to recognize any and all consensual sexual relationships as 'marriage.' The Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court, in mandating homosexual 'marriage,' merely applied the reasoning of the U.S. Supreme Court to its state constitution. The Mayor of San Francisco, in unilaterally issuing marriage licenses contrary to controlling California law, similarly relied upon the reasoning of Lawrence to defend the legality of his actions. # Therefore, whatever the Constitution once provided, all rules related to marriage have now been subsumed by a 'constitutional analysis' previously unknown to the law. State legislatures, and the people they represent, no longer control the meaning of marriage or the hundreds and thousands of legal rules associated with marriage. All such questions, henceforth, will be governed by decisions of state and federal courts. And, in light of the expansive 'constitutional analysis' adopted in Lawrence, those decisions will not be guided by either the words of the Constitution nor the traditions, history and actual practices of the American people. . In light of the foregoing, anyone concerned about preserving the structure and content of the American Constitution should understand why the words 'marriage' and 'constitutional amendment' need to be linked, to save the social viability of marriage, and integrity of the Constitution itself. He makes good sense. He continues: 1. A Constitutional amendment will restore the crucial understanding that American government operates under a written Constitution. As Chief Justice John Marshall noted in the famous decision of Marbury v. Madison in 1803, America is governed by 'a written constitution' and the framers of the constitution contemplated that instrument as a rule for the government of courts, as well as of the legislature. (Emphasis by Justice Marshall.) Because America operates under a written Constitution that is as binding on the courts as on any other branch of government, judges must adhere to the text of the Constitution and interpret and apply its terms consistently with the traditions, history and actual practices of the American people. Any other course, as Chief Justice
[ZION] Martha Stewart Guilty
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RE: [ZION] Defend Marriage Petition, more information, installment 2
Bob: I'm sorry Bob, but Ms. Proctor's sweeping charges that the media deliberately buried the informing was just flat out wrong, as I pointed out in my response to her column. Ms. Proctor has been on a blame the media jag for quite some time. She ground this ax again. This time she got it wrong. Flat out wrong. She needs to do her homework and, frankly, before reporters write stuff like she wrote, they usually go right to the source: they get the subjects' view of the matter. This is called balancing, triangulating the story. Writers who seek only to spew their personal opinions, however uniformed they are, avoid triangulation. Ron -Original Message- From: Rusty Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 3:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] Defend Marriage Petition, more information, installment 2 I have not followed the issue in detail over the past years as you evidently have, so I am not very well informed. what I can tell you though, is that a reporters job is to make sure that the story can stand alone, , unless the srticle indicates it is part of a series. Proctors comments about the information being buried, in my opinion, are valid. we sure do not hear any comments about this study from main stream news sources in our area. respectfully Bob Taylor What it indicates, Bob, is that Ms. Proctor is a half-baked reporter herself. -Original Message- From: Rusty Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 9:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] Defend Marriage Petition, more information, installment 2 Dear Zionistas-- here's a follow up to my initial transmission http://www.ldsmag.com/ideas/040303more.html Bob Taylor Dear Zionistas this article, while supplying no really new information, certainly confirms my previous suspicions regarding the printed media in our country. while this does not necessarily indicate a media conspiracy, I would say it indicates they at least think alike on this particular topic. http://www.ldsmag.com/ideas/040301press.html Last week two long-anticipated studies were released on the sexual abuse scandal that has plagued the Catholic Church, and it is hard to believe that the reporters from the New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, the Washington Post, and the Washington Times were at the same press conference, because they certainly didnt get the same story. By Maurine Jensen Proctor Bob Taylor *** *** There are no coincidences, only small miracles. Author Unknown *** *** /// /// /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// /// // --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://lists.topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.b6crSN.cnJ0YXls Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^--- -- --- *** ** * There are no coincidences, only small miracles. Author Unknown *** ** * /// // / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// /// // -- /// /// /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// /// // ** There are no coincidences, only small miracles. Author Unknown ** // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here:
[ZION] Hatch's Proposal
Take a look at Orrin Hatch's proposal for an amendment. Tell me what you think: http://www.nationalreview.com/nr_comment/editors200403040830.asp -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Senior Editor, The Constitutional Banner Newsletter http://www.thecbn.net // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Steve Farrell on the Marriage Amendment
At 01:13 PM 3/5/2004, you wrote: Many of you know that Steve Farrell and I are best friends. Best friends or not, we are somewhat divided over whether or not an amendment is the best way to defend traditional marriages. While Steve is in favor of a Marriage Amendment, I am in favor or protecting traditional marriages by limiting the jurisdiction of Federal Courts. Anyway, in the interest of balance grin, here is Steve Farrell's latest, taken from http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/3/3/134302.shtml: Oops. Strip that last colon off the URL. It should be this: http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/3/3/134302.shtml -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] I told the brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book. (History of the Church, Vol. 4, page 461) // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
[ZION] 34 U.S. Senators would nix Marriage Amendment
According to Newsmax and unnamed published reports, at least 34 U.S. Senators would vote no on the Marriage Amendment: http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/3/5/95800.shtml What stand a better chance is to limit the jurisdiction of Federal Courts--something that only takes a simple majority, rather than a 2/3 majority of both House and Senate and then 3/4 of the States. -- Steven Montgomery The most important consequence of marriage is, that the husband and the wife become in law only one person Upon this principle of union, almost all the other legal consequences of marriage depend. This principle, sublime and refined, deserves to be viewed and examined on every side. James Wilson // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Testimony of Richard Richardson
Yesterday the US Senate Judiciary Committee chaired by Orrin Hatch held a hearing on the proposed federal marriage amendment. Here is the testimony of Richard Richardson before that committee: TESTIMONY OF REVEREND RICHARD RICHARDSON St. Paul African Methodist Episcopal (AME) Church The Black Ministerial Alliance of Greater Boston Children's Services of Roxbury, Inc. Boston, MA Thank you. It's a good article. -- Jonathan Scott // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
[ZION] Cool Riddle
Name something that is better than God, that dead people eat all of the time, and that if you eat it you will die? -- Jonathan Scott // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Hatch's Proposal
Steven Montgomery wrote: Take a look at Orrin Hatch's proposal for an amendment. Tell me what you think: http://www.nationalreview.com/nr_comment/editors200403040830.asp I think that Hatch's proposal, if it became an amendment, would create a nation in which same-sex marriage was permitted in some states, and not permitted in others. This would override the current provisions in the US Constitution that requires states to recognize the legal documents of other states. It didn't work when we had slave states and free states. I don't think it would work if we had traditional marriage states and gay marriage states. But... I may be wrong. It may be that Musgrave amendment is not passable in its current form. If so, then the Hatch idea is better than the current situation. John W. Redelfs[EMAIL PROTECTED] = The traditional family is under heavy attack. I do not know that things were worse in the times of Sodom and Gomorrah. -- President Gordon B. Hinckley, 2004. = All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] 34 U.S. Senators would nix Marriage Amendment
Steven Montgomery wrote: According to Newsmax and unnamed published reports, at least 34 U.S. Senators would vote no on the Marriage Amendment: http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/3/5/95800.shtml What stand a better chance is to limit the jurisdiction of Federal Courts--something that only takes a simple majority, rather than a 2/3 majority of both House and Senate and then 3/4 of the States. I continue to feel that we should do both: pass a federal marriage amendment if we can, and pass legislation limiting the jurisdiction of the Federal Courts. I don't think we should assume up front that an amendment is politically impossible. And we should remember that what can be done with a simple majority can be undone with a simple majority. If an amendment would be harder to pass, it would also be much harder to repeal. John W. Redelfs[EMAIL PROTECTED] = The traditional family is under heavy attack. I do not know that things were worse in the times of Sodom and Gomorrah. -- President Gordon B. Hinckley, 2004. = All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
[ZION] Third Party Candidates
If President Bush actively promotes a federal marriage amendment, then I will vote for him in November. Otherwise, I will vote for a third party candidate. However, I know nothing about the various third party candidates. Does anyone here have information that might be valuable to me? Who is running on the American Party ticket? The Constitution Party? The Libertarian Party? John W. Redelfs[EMAIL PROTECTED] = The traditional family is under heavy attack. I do not know that things were worse in the times of Sodom and Gomorrah. -- President Gordon B. Hinckley, 2004. = All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Help Me Please
Hello, I'm working on chapter three, and I need some help. I'm compiling a list of all of the possible positive and negative things kids of the sixties would would have had to measure and consider when choosing whether or not (or how much) to abandon US culture...especially in light of the Vietnam War. Adhering to US Abandoning US Culture Culture --- Positives Acceptance of Life Parents Sex Honor Drugs Acceptance of Peers Freedom Fun --- Negatives Possible Death Disapproval of Terror Parents Possible Physical Handicap Shame P.S. I guess I wasn't very specific. Could you please help me flesh out the above lists? Thanks. -- Jonathan Scott // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Farrell, Hatch and Redelfs
At 06:40 PM 3/5/2004, you wrote: Orrin Hatch feels that ONLY a federal marriage amendment will provide an effective barrier against judicial activism redefining marriage to include same-sex marriage. Apparently Steve Farrell agrees. So does Redelfs. Anything less than a federal amendment will be swept away by the flood of filth we are currently witnessing. Some may argue that an amendment cannot be passed because it requires a two-thirds vote of both houses and ratification of three-fourths of the states. I hope that is not true because if it is, then the battle is lost. If we cannot pass an amendment, then our goose is cooked. I pray that it is not so. John W. Redelfs According to Boyd K. Packer, in his speech given at the J. Reuben Clark Center at BYU (See: http://www.lds.org/newsroom/voice/display/0,18255,5004-1-61,00.html): Quote The present major political debate centers on values and morals and the Constitution. There occurs from time to time reference to the Constitution hanging by a thread. President Brigham Young said: The general Constitution of our country is good, and a wholesome government could be framed upon it; for it was dictated by the invisible operations of the Almighty. ... Will the Constitution be destroyed? No. It will be held inviolate by this people; and as Joseph Smith said the time will come when the destiny of this nation will hang upon a single thread, and at this critical juncture, this people will step forth and save it from the threatened destruction. It will be so.23 I do not know when that day will come or how it will come to pass. I feel sure that when it does come to pass, among those who will step forward from among this people will be men who hold the Holy Priesthood and who carry as credentials a bachelor or doctor of law degree. And women, also, of honor. And there will be judges as well. Others from the world outside the Church will come, as Colonel Thomas Kane did, and bring with them their knowledge of the law to protect this people. We may one day stand alone, but we will not change or lower our standards or change our course. /Quote Even if the rest of the nation is destroyed the Constitution will be preserved. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Senior Editor, The Constitutional Banner Newsletter http://www.thecbn.net // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Farrell, Hatch and Redelfs
At 07:32 PM 3/5/2004, you wrote: At 06:40 PM 3/5/2004, you wrote: Orrin Hatch feels that ONLY a federal marriage amendment will provide an effective barrier against judicial activism redefining marriage to include same-sex marriage. Apparently Steve Farrell agrees. So does Redelfs. Anything less than a federal amendment will be swept away by the flood of filth we are currently witnessing. Some may argue that an amendment cannot be passed because it requires a two-thirds vote of both houses and ratification of three-fourths of the states. I hope that is not true because if it is, then the battle is lost. If we cannot pass an amendment, then our goose is cooked. I pray that it is not so. John W. Redelfs According to Boyd K. Packer, in his speech given at the J. Reuben Clark Center at BYU (See: http://www.lds.org/newsroom/voice/display/0,18255,5004-1-61,00.html): Dang. The URL should be: http://www.lds.org/newsroom/voice/display/0,18255,5004-1-61,00.html -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Our leisure, even our play, is a matter of serious concern. There is no neutral ground in the universe: every square inch, every split second, is claimed by God and counter-claimed by Satan. C. S. Lewis // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Martha Stewart Guilty
Not true. The most serious ones were dropped a week or two ago. -Original Message- From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 3:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ZION] Martha Stewart Guilty Martha Stewart is guilty on all counts. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --- // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
