Re: [ZION] Can Anyone Become A Fully Qualified Member In Good Standing Af

2002-12-01 Thread Stacy Smith
Wouldn't this also mean confession of sin and serious sin where 
committed?  Doesn't that person have an obligation to discuss this with the 
presiding authority before baptism?  If he doesn't, shouldn't he be suspect?

Stacy.

At 11:05 AM 11/30/2002 -0800, you wrote:

As I have been reading this issue, the one thing that keeps coming to mind 
is that phrase: Judge not, lest ye be judged.

As I contemplate the numerous helpful tips being given, the one that it 
appears to me is so many people are trying to get God to renege on his 
agreement to that individual. Did this person go into the waters of 
baptism and was his sins forgiven? Did this individual repent of his sins? 
Sorry folks, but no one on this planet has the authority to go against 
Gods word. If I am forgiven of my sins because God has so indicated, no 
one has that authority to so no to God, no he hasn't. No bishop, stake 
president can take back what God has given, and that is forgiveness. 
period - end of sentance.

Vic





--- Jon Spencer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Paul - this is excellent advice.  If one's motivation for telling on someone
is along the lines of that person shouldn't have a temple recommend, then
do yourself a favor and keep the lips sealed.  However, if you are truly
concerned for an individual's eternal blessings and wish to help them avoid
trying to mock the Lord, then do as Paul (Paul O. that is :-) suggests.
Talk to them.  if they are too afraid to go to the Bishop alone, then offer
to go with them.  After that, in love and faith, seek the assistance of your
Priesthood leadership to help this individual.

Jon

Paul  wrote:

 If I tried to make this public what could happen to me?  Is this
 considered
 gossip? and heresay?


 I don't know about your situation but if I was close to someone whom I
 was pretty sure had committed a serious sin and was not repenting I would
 probably let the bishop know about it and leave it in his hands for the
 time being. Keep it a private matter with the priesthood authorities.
 Depending on the circumstances I might warn the person that the bishop
 will be tipped off so if there is something to confess they best do it of
 their own free will and choice and get the matter resolved properly.

 I don't think it is gossip or what not. Nothing should be said outside
 the bounds of love and general concern for the welfare of the individual
 involved.

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Re: [ZION] Can Anyone Become A Fully Qualified Member In Good Standing Af

2002-11-30 Thread vicgh25
As I have been reading this issue, the one thing that keeps coming to mind is that 
phrase: Judge not, lest ye be judged.

As I contemplate the numerous helpful tips being given, the one that it appears to me 
is so many people are trying to get God to renege on his agreement to that individual. 
Did this person go into the waters of baptism and was his sins forgiven? Did this 
individual repent of his sins? Sorry folks, but no one on this planet has the 
authority to go against Gods word. If I am forgiven of my sins because God has so 
indicated, no one has that authority to so no to God, no he hasn't. No bishop, stake 
president can take back what God has given, and that is forgiveness. period - end of 
sentance.

Vic





--- Jon Spencer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Paul - this is excellent advice.  If one's motivation for telling on someone
is along the lines of that person shouldn't have a temple recommend, then
do yourself a favor and keep the lips sealed.  However, if you are truly
concerned for an individual's eternal blessings and wish to help them avoid
trying to mock the Lord, then do as Paul (Paul O. that is :-) suggests.
Talk to them.  if they are too afraid to go to the Bishop alone, then offer
to go with them.  After that, in love and faith, seek the assistance of your
Priesthood leadership to help this individual.

Jon

Paul  wrote:

 If I tried to make this public what could happen to me?  Is this
 considered
 gossip? and heresay?


 I don't know about your situation but if I was close to someone whom I
 was pretty sure had committed a serious sin and was not repenting I would
 probably let the bishop know about it and leave it in his hands for the
 time being. Keep it a private matter with the priesthood authorities.
 Depending on the circumstances I might warn the person that the bishop
 will be tipped off so if there is something to confess they best do it of
 their own free will and choice and get the matter resolved properly.

 I don't think it is gossip or what not. Nothing should be said outside
 the bounds of love and general concern for the welfare of the individual
 involved.

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