Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Fact that Most
At 07:52 AM 7/13/2003 -0400, you wrote: Paul Osborne wrote to our BLT: I'm a bigger jerk than you and that's pretty bad! ;-) Grampa Bill comments: But Till lives in a deeper (and more humble) hole than either of you. Yes, yes, and his floor is so covered with electrons from all the back e-mail that he can hardly crawl through them without drowning. Actually, his mother just had an emergency valve replacement and triple by-pass Monday. She has been getting more and more frail lately. Guess that's why. She was up and moving around a little and sounding in pretty good spirits last night. I'm making (yet another) pilgrimage to Rochester tonight to see her. Till // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Fact that Most
At 10:03 AM 7/13/2003 -0600, Cousin St George wrote: One of the points that ought to worry you that is not on your list is the idea that you will be tried to the limit of your ability. Just like Abraham was tested so you will be tested - differently but as severe. Just as others that we can list have been tested so will you. How can you expect to be in the presence of such men and women unless you have a similar heritage of proving yourself? Ouch Till tends to not like to dwell on that one. Till the wienie // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Fact that Most
At 10:03 AM 7/13/2003 -0600, Cousin St George wrote: One of the points that ought to worry you that is not on your list is the idea that you will be tried to the limit of your ability. Just like Abraham was tested so you will be tested - differently but as severe. Just as others that we can list have been tested so will you. How can you expect to be in the presence of such men and women unless you have a similar heritage of proving yourself? Ouch! Till tends not to dwell on that one. Till the wienie // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
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I suppose I could make a list of what I think one ought to do to have one's calling and election made sure, but I think many people, including myself, would never be able to do it. What do I think it would take? 1. A testimony of the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon. 2. Belief and acceptance of Jesus Christ as God the Son, Messiah, Redeemer and a knowledge that He died for our sins. 3. Belief and acceptance of God the Father. 4. Belief and acceptance of God the Holy Spirit. 5. Belief and acceptance of the Articles of faith as duly constituted. 6. Belief and acceptance of Joseph Smith as first modern prophet and restitution of the gospel to the earth. 7. Belief and acceptance of all the rest of the Presidents of the church as prophets of God and heads of the modern church on earth. 8. Belief in the acknowledged and accepted doctrines of the church as officially constituted, unless God should point out error Himself. 9. Going beyond that, attendance at all pertinent meetings of the church in one's local area whenever possible. 10. Family loyalty unless doing so would violate church standards. 11. Love for family and friends. 12. Love for neighbors and strangers. 13. Love for enemies. 14. Obedience to the prophet and apostles, even in areas of hardship. 15. Loving every food that God has created? 16. It goes without saying that a person ought to be able to have a current temple recommend. 17. Daily study of every one of the Scriptures? 18. Daily prayer. 19. Integrity. 20. Repentance. I don't think this list has even scratched the surface and I've already fallen short. See what I mean? However, some things I am in doubt about I've put question marks on. Also points that could be mentioned concerning temple recommend requirements were left unsaid because I already indicated the person should have a temple recommend. Stacy. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Fact that Most
Stacy Smith favored us with: I suppose I could make a list of what I think one ought to do to have one's calling and election made sure, but I think many people, including myself, would never be able to do it. What do I think it would take? My list would be much shorter: 1. A testimony that there is a God. 2. A testimony that his Son is Jesus Christ. 3. A testimony that Joseph Smith was a true prophet. 4. A testimony that the current leadership are prophets including the Church President, the Stake President, and the Bishop. 5. A current temple recommend obtained honestly. 6. Successful temple marriage. 7. Attention to all family duties such as regular family prayer, Family Home Evening, food storage, genealogy and scripture study, etc. 8. True charity towards ones fellow man including generous Fast Offering contributions. 9. Enduring to the end. Number seven is the sticky wicket with me. Sometimes I think it would qualify me for having my Calling and Election Sure all by itself. But for all my outward observances, I am often not particularly charitable. Very few people would describe me as sweet or kind. I'm not particularly humble either. So I have to work on number seven or I'll never make it. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === There is no place in this work for those who believe only in the gospel of doom and gloom. The gospel is good news. It is a message of triumph. --Gordon B. Hinckley === All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
Re: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Fact that Most
I can't say I've met all your list either. If I can't say I've met all mine or all yours it looks like Jesus may have pity on me or I won't make it either. Stacy. At 04:41 PM 07/12/2003 -0800, you wrote: Stacy Smith favored us with: I suppose I could make a list of what I think one ought to do to have one's calling and election made sure, but I think many people, including myself, would never be able to do it. What do I think it would take? My list would be much shorter: 1. A testimony that there is a God. 2. A testimony that his Son is Jesus Christ. 3. A testimony that Joseph Smith was a true prophet. 4. A testimony that the current leadership are prophets including the Church President, the Stake President, and the Bishop. 5. A current temple recommend obtained honestly. 6. Successful temple marriage. 7. Attention to all family duties such as regular family prayer, Family Home Evening, food storage, genealogy and scripture study, etc. 8. True charity towards ones fellow man including generous Fast Offering contributions. 9. Enduring to the end. Number seven is the sticky wicket with me. Sometimes I think it would qualify me for having my Calling and Election Sure all by itself. But for all my outward observances, I am often not particularly charitable. Very few people would describe me as sweet or kind. I'm not particularly humble either. So I have to work on number seven or I'll never make it. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === There is no place in this work for those who believe only in the gospel of doom and gloom. The gospel is good news. It is a message of triumph. --Gordon B. Hinckley === All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 06/10/2003 // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
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Before one's calling and election is made sure, one key step is remission of sins through the baptism of fire and the Holy Ghost. I would venture that few there are that have sought after and received this blessing that, according to 2 Nephi 31:17-18, is a requirement before you are solidly on the strait and narrow path which leads to eternal life King Benjamin talks about this in his last sermon also. What think ye? NB -Original Message- From: Stacy Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 5:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Fact that Most Peop I suppose I could make a list of what I think one ought to do to have one's calling and election made sure, but I think many people, including myself, would never be able to do it. What do I think it would take? 1. A testimony of the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon. 2. Belief and acceptance of Jesus Christ as God the Son, Messiah, Redeemer and a knowledge that He died for our sins. 3. Belief and acceptance of God the Father. 4. Belief and acceptance of God the Holy Spirit. 5. Belief and acceptance of the Articles of faith as duly constituted. 6. Belief and acceptance of Joseph Smith as first modern prophet and restitution of the gospel to the earth. 7. Belief and acceptance of all the rest of the Presidents of the church as prophets of God and heads of the modern church on earth. 8. Belief in the acknowledged and accepted doctrines of the church as officially constituted, unless God should point out error Himself. 9. Going beyond that, attendance at all pertinent meetings of the church in one's local area whenever possible. 10. Family loyalty unless doing so would violate church standards. 11. Love for family and friends. 12. Love for neighbors and strangers. 13. Love for enemies. 14. Obedience to the prophet and apostles, even in areas of hardship. 15. Loving every food that God has created? 16. It goes without saying that a person ought to be able to have a current temple recommend. 17. Daily study of every one of the Scriptures? 18. Daily prayer. 19. Integrity. 20. Repentance. I don't think this list has even scratched the surface and I've already fallen short. See what I mean? However, some things I am in doubt about I've put question marks on. Also points that could be mentioned concerning temple recommend requirements were left unsaid because I already indicated the person should have a temple recommend. Stacy. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
RE: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Fact that Most
Isn't that what we seek when we take the Sacrament? Stacy. At 08:54 PM 07/12/2003 -0400, you wrote: Before one's calling and election is made sure, one key step is remission of sins through the baptism of fire and the Holy Ghost. I would venture that few there are that have sought after and received this blessing that, according to 2 Nephi 31:17-18, is a requirement before you are solidly on the strait and narrow path which leads to eternal life King Benjamin talks about this in his last sermon also. What think ye? NB -Original Message- From: Stacy Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 5:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Fact that Most Peop I suppose I could make a list of what I think one ought to do to have one's calling and election made sure, but I think many people, including myself, would never be able to do it. What do I think it would take? 1. A testimony of the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon. 2. Belief and acceptance of Jesus Christ as God the Son, Messiah, Redeemer and a knowledge that He died for our sins. 3. Belief and acceptance of God the Father. 4. Belief and acceptance of God the Holy Spirit. 5. Belief and acceptance of the Articles of faith as duly constituted. 6. Belief and acceptance of Joseph Smith as first modern prophet and restitution of the gospel to the earth. 7. Belief and acceptance of all the rest of the Presidents of the church as prophets of God and heads of the modern church on earth. 8. Belief in the acknowledged and accepted doctrines of the church as officially constituted, unless God should point out error Himself. 9. Going beyond that, attendance at all pertinent meetings of the church in one's local area whenever possible. 10. Family loyalty unless doing so would violate church standards. 11. Love for family and friends. 12. Love for neighbors and strangers. 13. Love for enemies. 14. Obedience to the prophet and apostles, even in areas of hardship. 15. Loving every food that God has created? 16. It goes without saying that a person ought to be able to have a current temple recommend. 17. Daily study of every one of the Scriptures? 18. Daily prayer. 19. Integrity. 20. Repentance. I don't think this list has even scratched the surface and I've already fallen short. See what I mean? However, some things I am in doubt about I've put question marks on. Also points that could be mentioned concerning temple recommend requirements were left unsaid because I already indicated the person should have a temple recommend. Stacy. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 06/10/2003 // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
RE: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Fact that Most
This is what Enos received after his wrestle with God which took him into the forest for a day and night of prayer. There are a number of descriptions in the scriptures on this topic: Mosiah 4, Enos, 3Nephi 12:1-2, and one of my favorites, DC39:6. I don't think it is the same thing. Noel -Original Message- From: Stacy Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 7:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Fact that Most Isn't that what we seek when we take the Sacrament? Stacy. At 08:54 PM 07/12/2003 -0400, you wrote: Before one's calling and election is made sure, one key step is remission of sins through the baptism of fire and the Holy Ghost. I would venture that few there are that have sought after and received this blessing that, according to 2 Nephi 31:17-18, is a requirement before you are solidly on the strait and narrow path which leads to eternal life King Benjamin talks about this in his last sermon also. What think ye? NB -Original Message- From: Stacy Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 5:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ZION] Having One's Calling and Election Made Sure and the Fact that Most Peop I suppose I could make a list of what I think one ought to do to have one's calling and election made sure, but I think many people, including myself, would never be able to do it. What do I think it would take? 1. A testimony of the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon. 2. Belief and acceptance of Jesus Christ as God the Son, Messiah, Redeemer and a knowledge that He died for our sins. 3. Belief and acceptance of God the Father. 4. Belief and acceptance of God the Holy Spirit. 5. Belief and acceptance of the Articles of faith as duly constituted. 6. Belief and acceptance of Joseph Smith as first modern prophet and restitution of the gospel to the earth. 7. Belief and acceptance of all the rest of the Presidents of the church as prophets of God and heads of the modern church on earth. 8. Belief in the acknowledged and accepted doctrines of the church as officially constituted, unless God should point out error Himself. 9. Going beyond that, attendance at all pertinent meetings of the church in one's local area whenever possible. 10. Family loyalty unless doing so would violate church standards. 11. Love for family and friends. 12. Love for neighbors and strangers. 13. Love for enemies. 14. Obedience to the prophet and apostles, even in areas of hardship. 15. Loving every food that God has created? 16. It goes without saying that a person ought to be able to have a current temple recommend. 17. Daily study of every one of the Scriptures? 18. Daily prayer. 19. Integrity. 20. Repentance. I don't think this list has even scratched the surface and I've already fallen short. See what I mean? However, some things I am in doubt about I've put question marks on. Also points that could be mentioned concerning temple recommend requirements were left unsaid because I already indicated the person should have a temple recommend. Stacy. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html ==^
