RE: [ZION] President Benson As Icon of The Right (Was: Punch their...)
-Original Message- From: Steven Montgomery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 9:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] Punch Their Lights Out Apparently your friend is not aware of the ACLU's origins: http://www.geocities.com/graymada/aclu.html Which explains a great deal about the issues the ACLU chooses to get involved with. Steven: After reading the old Joe McCarthyesque/John Birch stuff that got entered into the Congressional Record unchallenged (as such stuff roytinely is: therefore its mere inclusion does not endorse it or verify its accuracy), I spent some time scanning your personal website. Because you write well, Steven, I assume you're a reasonably bright guy. But, when I read you web site practically the only prophet you cite is Ezra Taft Benson. I don't agree with President Benson's politics, but I do believe he was a good man and was entitled to to make his own political choices, as we all are. But, Steven, when you were building the site, did you not wonder why virtually no other apostle or prophet (of his era) sang the Communist Threat to Momronism song as often and as stridently as President Benson did (sure, President McKay added a few odd things, but not much). And, further that no current prophet or apostle has picked-up the President Benson's there's a commie on every streetcorner rag? I was a kid in the 50s, a teenager in the 60s when President Benson delivered his most strident talks. Some of what he said I took to heart because they squared-up with what was going on in the country at the time. I took with a grain of salt some of the other things, over the top claims -- you can't be a good Mormon and a Democrat -- because they just didn't square-up with what other prophets and apostles were saying. Worse, because almost always attempted to co-mingled his politics with church doctrine and policies. Most troubling to me is the fact that too many people, like you apparently, rely on him so heavily that it seems they have transformed him into the ultimate definer of latter-day Mormonism and what it means to be a good member of the Church nowadays. I'm pretty sure he would be troubled by this as much as I am. So why is that bright guy like you doesn't see the need to flesh-out his political/religious views using comments, observations and instructions from the other prophets of the Church? Should I worry that you and people like you are hiding out in the weeds, ready at a moment's notice to divide the church along political lines, or establish The Church of Ezra Taft Benson and tell the rest of us to go straight to hell? Just curious. RBS // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] President Benson As Icon of The Right (Was: Punch their...)
At 09:56 AM 11/13/2003, RBS (Or is that just plain BS grin) wrote: Because you write well, Steven, I assume you're a reasonably bright guy. But, when I read you web site practically the only prophet you cite is Ezra Taft Benson. I don't agree with President Benson's politics, but I do believe he was a good man and was entitled to to make his own political choices, as we all are. But, Steven, when you were building the site, did you not wonder why virtually no other apostle or prophet (of his era) sang the Communist Threat to Momronism song as often and as stridently as President Benson did (sure, President McKay added a few odd things, but not much). And, further that no current prophet or apostle has picked-up the President Benson's there's a commie on every streetcorner rag? No other Apostle or Prophet needs to. President Benson did such a great job laying that foundation grin. Besides, imo, the Book of Mormon does a lot better job of warning us about the perils of secret combinations and conspiracies designed to overthrow governments than even President Benson did grin. So why is that bright guy like you doesn't see the need to flesh-out his political/religious views using comments, observations and instructions from the other prophets of the Church? Should I worry that you and people like you are hiding out in the weeds, ready at a moment's notice to divide the church along political lines, or establish The Church of Ezra Taft Benson and tell the rest of us to go straight to hell? Just curious. Mostly I use the scriptures and the Founding Fathers to flesh out my political views. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] But where some say is the king of America? I´ll tell you Friend, he reigns above, and doth not make havoc of mankind like the royal brute of Great Britain. Yet that we may not appear to be defective even in earthly honors, let a day be solemnly set apart for proclaiming the charter; let it be brought forth placed on the divine law, the Word of God; let a crown be placed thereon, by which the world may know, that so far as we approve of monarchy, that in America the law is king. For as in absolute governments the king is law, so in free countries the law ought to be King; and there ought to be no other. (Thomas Paine, _Common Sense_) // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] President Benson As Icon of The Right (Was: Punch their...)
If you talked to my mother, she'd tell you that my initials are B.S. That's because I went by my middle name through grade school. As for your non-response...well, what more can I say grin. B.S. -Original Message- From: Steven Montgomery [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 2:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] President Benson As Icon of The Right (Was: Punch their...) At 09:56 AM 11/13/2003, RBS (Or is that just plain BS grin) wrote: Because you write well, Steven, I assume you're a reasonably bright guy. But, when I read you web site practically the only prophet you cite is Ezra Taft Benson. I don't agree with President Benson's politics, but I do believe he was a good man and was entitled to to make his own political choices, as we all are. But, Steven, when you were building the site, did you not wonder why virtually no other apostle or prophet (of his era) sang the Communist Threat to Momronism song as often and as stridently as President Benson did (sure, President McKay added a few odd things, but not much). And, further that no current prophet or apostle has picked-up the President Benson's there's a commie on every streetcorner rag? No other Apostle or Prophet needs to. President Benson did such a great job laying that foundation grin. Besides, imo, the Book of Mormon does a lot better job of warning us about the perils of secret combinations and conspiracies designed to overthrow governments than even President Benson did grin. So why is that bright guy like you doesn't see the need to flesh-out his political/religious views using comments, observations and instructions from the other prophets of the Church? Should I worry that you and people like you are hiding out in the weeds, ready at a moment's notice to divide the church along political lines, or establish The Church of Ezra Taft Benson and tell the rest of us to go straight to hell? Just curious. Mostly I use the scriptures and the Founding Fathers to flesh out my political views. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] But where some say is the king of America? I´ll tell you Friend, he reigns above, and doth not make havoc of mankind like the royal brute of Great Britain. Yet that we may not appear to be defective even in earthly honors, let a day be solemnly set apart for proclaiming the charter; let it be brought forth placed on the divine law, the Word of God; let a crown be placed thereon, by which the world may know, that so far as we approve of monarchy, that in America the law is king. For as in absolute governments the king is law, so in free countries the law ought to be King; and there ought to be no other. (Thomas Paine, _Common Sense_) // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// // /// // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] President Benson As Icon of The Right (Was: Punch their...)
zI confess I'm worried on these accounts. Stacy. At 12:56 PM 11/13/2003 -0700, you wrote: At 09:56 AM 11/13/2003, RBS (Or is that just plain BS grin) wrote: Because you write well, Steven, I assume you're a reasonably bright guy. But, when I read you web site practically the only prophet you cite is Ezra Taft Benson. I don't agree with President Benson's politics, but I do believe he was a good man and was entitled to to make his own political choices, as we all are. But, Steven, when you were building the site, did you not wonder why virtually no other apostle or prophet (of his era) sang the Communist Threat to Momronism song as often and as stridently as President Benson did (sure, President McKay added a few odd things, but not much). And, further that no current prophet or apostle has picked-up the President Benson's there's a commie on every streetcorner rag? No other Apostle or Prophet needs to. President Benson did such a great job laying that foundation grin. Besides, imo, the Book of Mormon does a lot better job of warning us about the perils of secret combinations and conspiracies designed to overthrow governments than even President Benson did grin. So why is that bright guy like you doesn't see the need to flesh-out his political/religious views using comments, observations and instructions from the other prophets of the Church? Should I worry that you and people like you are hiding out in the weeds, ready at a moment's notice to divide the church along political lines, or establish The Church of Ezra Taft Benson and tell the rest of us to go straight to hell? Just curious. Mostly I use the scriptures and the Founding Fathers to flesh out my political views. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] But where some say is the king of America? I´ll tell you Friend, he reigns above, and doth not make havoc of mankind like the royal brute of Great Britain. Yet that we may not appear to be defective even in earthly honors, let a day be solemnly set apart for proclaiming the charter; let it be brought forth placed on the divine law, the Word of God; let a crown be placed thereon, by which the world may know, that so far as we approve of monarchy, that in America the law is king. For as in absolute governments the king is law, so in free countries the law ought to be King; and there ought to be no other. (Thomas Paine, _Common Sense_) // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] President Benson As Icon of The Right (Was: Punch their...)
Ah, a sensible, thinking person. And, you should be concerned, Stacy. -Original Message- From: Stacy Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 6:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ZION] President Benson As Icon of The Right (Was: Punch their...) zI confess I'm worried on these accounts. Stacy. At 12:56 PM 11/13/2003 -0700, you wrote: At 09:56 AM 11/13/2003, RBS (Or is that just plain BS grin) wrote: Because you write well, Steven, I assume you're a reasonably bright guy. But, when I read you web site practically the only prophet you cite is Ezra Taft Benson. I don't agree with President Benson's politics, but I do believe he was a good man and was entitled to to make his own political choices, as we all are. But, Steven, when you were building the site, did you not wonder why virtually no other apostle or prophet (of his era) sang the Communist Threat to Momronism song as often and as stridently as President Benson did (sure, President McKay added a few odd things, but not much). And, further that no current prophet or apostle has picked-up the President Benson's there's a commie on every streetcorner rag? No other Apostle or Prophet needs to. President Benson did such a great job laying that foundation grin. Besides, imo, the Book of Mormon does a lot better job of warning us about the perils of secret combinations and conspiracies designed to overthrow governments than even President Benson did grin. So why is that bright guy like you doesn't see the need to flesh-out his political/religious views using comments, observations and instructions from the other prophets of the Church? Should I worry that you and people like you are hiding out in the weeds, ready at a moment's notice to divide the church along political lines, or establish The Church of Ezra Taft Benson and tell the rest of us to go straight to hell? Just curious. Mostly I use the scriptures and the Founding Fathers to flesh out my political views. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] But where some say is the king of America? I´ll tell you Friend, he reigns above, and doth not make havoc of mankind like the royal brute of Great Britain. Yet that we may not appear to be defective even in earthly honors, let a day be solemnly set apart for proclaiming the charter; let it be brought forth placed on the divine law, the Word of God; let a crown be placed thereon, by which the world may know, that so far as we approve of monarchy, that in America the law is king. For as in absolute governments the king is law, so in free countries the law ought to be King; and there ought to be no other. (Thomas Paine, _Common Sense_) / / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// // /// // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
